- Fantastic beasts director: dumbledore will have ’sensual‘ gay scenes
- Gay dumbledore is going to happen in fantastic beasts and we’re 100% here for it
- Why devoted ‚harry potter‘ fans feel betrayed by j.k. rowling and the ‚fantastic beasts‘ franchise
- J.k.rowling: „grindelwald und dumbledore hatten eine liebesbeziehung“
- "why don’t you wait until you see the film before you start talking shit on twitter?" miller said about the backlash over the "fantastic beasts" sequel.
- Why we need a gay dumbledore and queer superheroes
- Once a book is published, who gets to interpret it? us or the author?
- Intentionalism: what the author says, goes
- Intentionalism would destroy literary criticism
- How rowling first introduced dumbledore’s sexuality to the "harry potter" canon
- How the dumbledore and grindelwald relationship connects to "fantastic beasts"
- Why "harry potter" fans hoped dumbledore being gay would be part of the "fantastic beasts" sequel
- Why lgbtq+ representation matters
- “it’s clear in what you see… that he is gay.”
- As potterheads around the world gear up for the release of fantastic beasts: the crimes of grindelwald later this year, more and more nuggets of information about what we can expect are starting to apparate before our very eyes.
One of the biggest questions from Harry Potter fans about Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald has been: will it address Albus Dumbledore’s sexuality?
Of course, JK Rowling revealed back in 2007 that Dumbledore is gay and had a torrid love affair with the dark wizard Gellert Grindelwald prior to his time at Hogwarts.
When it was announced that young Dumbledore and Grindelwald would both factor into the sequel — played by Jude Law and Johnny Depp respectively — fans naturally assumed they’d see this love affair. However, JK has been surprisingly cagey on the subject.
Now we know why. Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald director David Yates recently told that Dumbledore’s sexuality is "not explicitly" addressed in the film.
"I think all the fans are aware of that [aspect of his life]," the filmmaker argued. "He had a very intense relationship with Grindelwald when they were young men. They fell in love with each other’s ideas, and ideology and each other."
He continued: "He’s a maverick and a rebel and he’s an inspiring teacher at Hogwarts. He’s witty and has a bit of edge.
"He’s not this elder statesman. He’s a really kinetic guy. And opposite Johnny Depp as Grindelwald, they make an incredible pairing."
However, Yates didn’t rule out more explicitly addressing the romantic aspect of Dumbledore and Grindelwald’s long relationship in a future sequel.
That assurance is cold comfort for Harry Potter fans already upset about Rowling and Yates casting Johnny DeppFantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald:
HOW COULD YOU NOT MAKE DUMBLEDORE GAY THOUGH?????? WHY DO YOU HAVE TO ALTER WHAT IS CANON??????
for TEN YEARS jkr has been criticized for her lack of commitment to portraying dumbledore as a gay man. she was finally handed her chance on a silver platter, knowing that FB2 is literally too big to fail, and threw that chance away?? 😡
can y’all believe that this "dumbledore isn’t explicitly gay in the movie" thing is almost as upsetting to me as the initial "let me announce that dumbledore was gay after the series has ended and i’ve blatantly refused to dedicate any of my published writing to this topic"
Hey, @jk_rowling Us fans trusted that when you told us Dumbledore was gay that if you ever got the chance to make that canonical you would. So, since you clearly could not care less about delivering, I am officially going to bear-magazine.com
if jo could shoehorn in the (albeit adorable) romantic subplot between queenie and jacob in fantastic beasts, she sure as hell could’ve clearly written dumbledore as gay
Miss me with that ‘not explicitly gay’ Dumbledore shit
dumbledore not being gay in the new fantastic beasts was only to be expected considering j*r herself never really mentioned it in the books and only confirmed it later i mean it is clear no one gives a shit about having an openly (powerful) gay character in the movie ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ bear-magazine.com
When Rowling did a positive thing of acknowledging that Dumbledore was always gay in her work, part of my excitement was that an expectation that that fact wouldn’t remain hidden in future Harry Potter stuff. And yet in 2018 they STILL are hiding his queer identity in footnotes
Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald opens in cinemas on November 16.
Fantastic beasts director: dumbledore will have ’sensual‘ gay scenes
Fantastic Beasts Director: Dumbledore Will Have ‚Sensual‘ Gay Scenes
However, the gay wizard will not leave the enchanted closet in Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald.
The director of the upcoming film Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald has announced that Albus Dumbledore will not live as an openly gay man in the movie but will have some sensual scenes with the love of his life, Gellert Grindelwald.
David Yates, who directed Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them along with four of the last Harry Potter movies, told Empire Magazine, in a story to be released in the print edition this week, that the beloved character is not "out as a gay man in this film." However, he plans not to conceal Dumbledore’s queerness, which was announced by author J.K. Rowling in 2007.
For years, Rowling teased that the Fantastic Beasts sequels will deliver fans an openly gay character at Hogwarts. It started in 2016, when she raised LGBTQ fans‘ hopes of a more inclusive film at a press conference.
“I can’t tell you everything I would like to say because this is obviously a five-part story so there’s lots to unpack in that relationship,” Rowling said. “You will see Dumbledore as a younger man, and quite a troubled man because he wasn’t always the sage. He was always very clever, but we’ll see what I think was the formative period of his life. As far as his sexuality is concerned … watch this space.”
However, Yates has made it clear that we won’t see Dumbledore out of the closet — for now.
“This part of this huge narrative that Jo is creating doesn’t focus on his sexuality, but we’re not airbrushing or hiding it," Yates told Empire, referencing J.K. Rowling’s given name, Joanne Murray. “The story [of the romantic relationship] isn’t there in this particular movie, but it’s clear in what you see … that he is gay.”
Meanwhile, fans are overwhelmingly disappointed that the minds behind Hogwarts have not explicitly shown the character they proclaimed as gay living without shame. The series has also come under fire after it was revealed that in the upcoming film Voldemort’s pet snake, Nagini, would be portrayed by an Asian woman (deemed by many to be poor representation) while Dumbledore remains in the closet and Johnny Depp in the cast.
us: pleaase show us dumbledore’s canon gay romance! since you brought it up! and it’s important! also please fire abusive shit johnny depprowling: nagini was an asian woman all along here she is in a cage
— scare-o ramSKREEE (@caroramsey) September 25, 2018
JK Rowling,- said dumbledore was gay yet never wrote him a fleshed out love story- cast the only Korean woman as a snake-slave- follows accounts and likes tweets from accounts who post violent anti-trans bigotry- kept Johnny Depp despite the fact he abused his wife
Critics: “There isn’t enough diversity in the Harry Potter novels.”JK Rowling: “Uh… Dumbledore is gay?”Critics: “So, he’s gonna be openly gay in the prequel series then?”JKR, *sweating*: “Oh, uh, well… VOLDEMORT’S SNAKE IS AN ASIAN WOMAN.”
HP fans: diversity would be niceJKR: dumbledore was gayHPF: cool but he’s dead so–JKR: hermione can be black?HPF: okay that’s better but–JKR: hogwarts but racistHPF: no see now you–JKR: voldemort kept an asian woman for a bear-magazine.com
im also crying at jkr being like ‚ive been sitting on this nagini reveal for 20 years‘ because it’s just so…. Typical that they will make voldemort’s snake girlfriend a plot point and not speak a word about dumbledore being gay
The director did note that Dumbledore’s sexuality will be shown subtextually in the film. “A couple of scenes we shot are very sensual moments of him and the young Grindelwald," Yates said.
What those scenes will look like will be revealed when the movie opens November 16.
Gay dumbledore is going to happen in fantastic beasts and we’re 100% here for it
11 November 2016, 12:00 | Updated: 19 November 2018, 12:56
He’s here! He’s queer! He’s got nothing to fear because Voldemort doesn’t exist yet!
As you may have read on PopBuzz a couple of days ago, it has been confirmed that Dumbledore will be appearing in the second instalment of the new Harry Potter films, Fantastic Beasts.
Set in 1920s New York, the films will follow the adventures of writer Newt Scamander in New York’s secret community of witches and wizards, seventy years before Harry Potter reads his book in school.
While it has not been confirmed who will be playing the younger Dumbledore, it would appear that J.K. Rowling has kinda-not-really-but-most-probably confirmed that Dumbledore’s sexuality will feature in the film.
As reported by Teen Vogue, Rowling said to the press,"You will see Dumbledore as a younger man and quite a troubled man" in the second film, during a "formative period of his life. As far as his sexuality is concerned, watch this space."
You might remember that Dumbledore’s true sexuality wasn’t revealed by Rowling until 2007, a couple of months after Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows was published, the last in the Potter series. Her revelation made news headlines at the time because most people didn’t realise Dumbledore was gay, most probably because he didn’t go round waving rainbow flags or listen to Madonna records.
But, as Rowling rightfully pointed out in 2015, in response to message on Twitter who said they didn’t see Dumbledore as gay, "Maybe because gay people just look like… people?" . Amen to that, sister.
.@anakocovic21 Maybe because gay people just look like… people?
We can’t wait for gay Dumbledore to arise. In fact, we’d like a set of films just about Dumbledore tbh. We’ll send a request via owl to Rowling today, we’ll get back to you with her response as soon as possible.
Why devoted ‚harry potter‘ fans feel betrayed by j.k. rowling and the ‚fantastic beasts‘ franchise
J.K. Rowling and the "Fantastic Beasts" franchise were already wading in controversy over Johnny Depp’s continued presence in the movies, but now fans are at a breaking point after learning that Dumbledore’s sexuality wouldn’t be openly explored in the coming sequel.
Director David Yates told Entertainment Weekly that "Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them: The Crimes of Grindelwald" would not make it "explicitly" clear Dumbledore is gay, the fandom reacted strongly (and mostly negatively).
One only needed to do a cursory search on Twitter and Reddit to see heated debates and fans expressing dismay over this latest comment about the "Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them" sequel.
INSIDER spoke with several members of the "Harry Potter" fandom to better understand how people were feeling. We spoke primarily with fans who identify as gay or bisexual, and who had been immersed in the "Harry Potter" community for anywhere between 10 to 20 years.
J.k.rowling: „grindelwald und dumbledore hatten eine liebesbeziehung“
Hatten Dumbledore und Grindelwald eine Affäre, als sie jung waren? Dass Dumbledore homosexuell war, erzählte J.K. Rowlings schon vor einigen Jahren. Jetzt legte sie nach: Die beiden hatten wohl wirklich etwas miteinander. „Es war eine leidenschaftliche Liebesbeziehung“, sagte sie in einem Interview. „Aber wie das in Beziehungen nun einmal so ist, egal ob hetero, schwul oder welches Label wir dem auch immer geben wollen, weiß man nie, was der andere fühlt.“
Viele Fans hatten die Hoffnung, dass die Beziehung zwischen Dumbledore und Grindelwald im Harry-Potter-Prequel „Fabelhafte Tierwesen“ auf romantischer und sexueller Ebene deutlicher ausgeführt werden könnte. Doch diese Hoffnung wurde enttäuscht. Stattdessen gestaltet die Autorin das Universum ihrer Bücher lieber im Nachhinein divers.
Die Reaktionen auf Twitter aber zeigen, dass Rowling mittlerweile ziemlich an Glaubwürdigkeit verloren hat. Immer wieder wurde der Autorin vorgeworfen, in ihren Büchern nur weißen, heterosexuellen Helden eine Plattform zu geben.
Jetzt sind die meisten Fans einfach nur noch genervt. Wieso nachträglich etwas hinzufügen, was man im Film eigentlich easy zeigen könnte, fragen viele.
"why don’t you wait until you see the film before you start talking shit on twitter?" miller said about the backlash over the "fantastic beasts" sequel.
Ezra Miller is here to put some of the backlash against “Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald” to rest. In an interview with Total Film, Miller defended the depiction of Dumbledore’s sexuality in the sequel.
Rowling first confirmed Dumbledore was a gay man in 2007 after her book series had concluded, so fans expected the “Fantastic Beasts” sequel to explore this part of the character when it was announced Jude Law was joining the prequel franchise as young Dumbledore. Director David Yates said at the start of 2018 the sequel would mostly avoid Dumbledore’s sexuality, which resulted in fan backlash. Miller told Total Film that’s not exactly true of the upcoming movie.
“It’s a funny idea to me that every form of representation has to look the same,” Miller said. “For me, personally, I find Dumbledore’s queerness extremely explicit in this film. I mean, all around. He sees Grindelwald, his young lover who’s the love of his life; he sees him in the Mirror of Erised. What does the Mirror of Erised show you? Nothing more than the most desperate desire of your heart. If that’s not explicitly gay, I don’t know what is.”
Miller went on to praise “Harry Potter” author J.K. Rowling for annoucing’s Dumbledore’s sexuality in the first place. “People have to also take a moment and acknowledge the gift that Jo Rowling gave us,” he said. “[She wrote] one of the greatest characters in literary history, one of the most beloved characters across the whole spectrum of civil society…and then, at the end of writing that series, was like, ‘Oh, yeah, and he’s gay. What? Step to me.’ She is forever a god for that.”
Since the backlash first started, both Yates and Jude Law have said that fans should be patient with the franchise. “The Crimes of Grindelwald” is the second film in a planned five-movie franchise, which means there’s lots of room in the future to continue to explore Dumbledore’s sexuality. Yates said the franchise is not deliberately hiding Dumbledore being a gay man.
“This part of this huge narrative that [J.K. Rowling] is creating doesn’t focus on his sexuality, but we’re not airbrushing or hiding it,” Yates said. “The story [of the romantic relationship] isn’t there in this particular movie, but it’s clear in what you see…that he is gay.”
As for the backlash in general, Miller had this to say: “Why don’t you wait until you see the film before you start talking shit on Twitter? Or wait to make up your own mind about something for once in your life. Do your own research. Make up your own mind. Follow your heart, and really, really investigate situations before you identify yourself and pick a side, and start throwing things at the opposition. Because that’s what’s totally screwing everything up right now. And it polarizes us. We’re all human, and there’s a lot of things we can agree on.”
Miller plays Credence Barebone in the “Fantastic Beasts” franchise. “The Crimes of Grindelwald” opens in theaters nationwide November 16 from Warner Bros.
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Why we need a gay dumbledore and queer superheroes
JK Rowling conveniently erased Dumbledore’s sexuality in the upcoming Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes Of Grindelwald.
When the cast of was announced, there was palpable excitement as there was widespread criticism. Jude Law was tasked with essaying the younger, dashing Albus Dumbledore, while Johnny Depp was to reprise his role as the evil magical criminal Gellert Grindelwald, months after he was accused of domestic violence. (Both J K Rowling and David YatesDepp’s casting. much to the displeasure of fans.)
This prequelHarry Potter spin-off intended to throw light on the formative years of the “troubled” Dumbledore before he became the wise headmaster of Hogwarts. Expectations were thus rife about the boundless possibilities at hand while exploring Dumbledore’s romantic life, since Rowling had revealed 10 years ago that Dumbledore was gay. At the time, the author had even alluded to Dumbledore’s young romance with Grindelwald, saying, “Dumbledore fell in love with Grindelwald and that added to his horror when Grindelwald showed himself to be what he was.”
Except, as it turns out, the joy of getting to see a gay lead in one of the most successful cinematic franchises will have to wait. The film’s director David Yates, recently went on record to claim that Dumbledore’s sexuality would in fact not make it to the film, further adding that he wouldn’t be “explicitly gay” in If that wasn’t offensive enough, Yates also came up with a ridiculously laughable justification for the exclusion: “But I think all the fans are aware of that.”
No Mr Yates, we should not be aware of that. Are we to forget the fact that, in a film about Dumbledore and his boyfriend, the two characters headlining it are lovers? That’s like making a film about Batman, but forgetting to cast him in it. Why is Dumbledore’s sexuality not important enough to be show on screen?
Rowling has been teasing the prospect of seeing a gay Dumbledore onscreen for years. Three Harry Potter spin-off films have come and gone but the only place the Hogwarts headmaster’s sexuality is “explicitly” mentioned, is in the world of Harry Potter fan fiction. Now, at the fourth pass, when the time came to actually act on it, the author (who’s written the film’s script) has chosen to indulge in another round of teasing by saying that maybe Dumbledore’s sexuality would be addressed in the later films. At this point, Dumbledore’s sexuality looks like the cheque that Rowling had no intention on ever cashing.
The thing is that Rowling and Co’s unceremonious cop-out isn’t the first time Hollywood filmmakers have consciously squandered the opportunity to give their films a LGBT character in the truest sense. Of late, teasing the inclusion of LGBT characters or an exclusive “gay moment” before a film’s release, and then going back on the promise to either have blink-and-miss throwaway moments that are at odds with the plot or erasing their sexuality altogether have become a frustrating trend that most filmmakers have unfortunately embraced with open arms.
Take Taika Waititi’sThor: Ragnarok for instance. The film made headlines days before its release when reports emerged that one of the film’s central characters, Valkryie, a traumatised Asgarian expat, would be bisexual. The excitement of finally seeing a badass bisexual character became further exemplified when Tessa Thompson, the actress playing Valkryie took it upon herself to confirm the news.
It was Thompson who had pitched the idea of Valkryie being bisexual to Waititi herself, wanting to stay true to Valkryie’s comic-book relationship with anthropologist Annabelle Riggs. Waititi had agreed, and the film was to have a scene that showed a woman leaving Valkryie’s bedroom. Except, her “coming out” scene got cut out of the final film despite considerable public hype, leaving audiences with the assurance that the actress played Valkryie with her bisexuality in mind.
Apparently, the film couldn’t have spared an extra few seconds to make a pretty powerful point. To an ordinary viewer then, Valkryie’s sexuality would hardly cross their minds unless they went back and actually read up about it. It’s a sort of reductive representation that does no good for the standing of LGBT characters in big-budget Hollywood films. Instead, all it reeks of is a pseudo politically correct inclusiveness that’s conjured up with the sole intention of publicity.
Turns out, the Marvel franchise doesn’t only just sideline its major female heroes, but they also completely erase their queer ones.
If the comics are any evidence, , Korg’s beloved was revealed to be the warrior Hiroim. In the comic, Loki is in fact gender-fluid. But, all it takes is one viewing of the film to confirm the invisibility of their sexual orientations. Turns out, the Marvel franchise doesn’t only just sideline its major female heroes, but they also completely erase their queer ones.
This half-assed “token” representation had found its way in films like Wonder WomanDeadpool’sTim Miller went to town proclaiming that he wanted it on record that Deadpool was “pansexual”, except in the movie Deadpool’s “pansexual representation” was restricted to him acting like a frat boy smacking a man’s ass as a joke. It was sadly only reduced to being a prop utilised for comedic effect.
Even seems to be heading down the same path, despite having an obvious gay liberation metaphor in its first film. To not have a LGBT character in a film is one thing, but to promise one and feed off its publicity and then completely erase their existence is even worse.
LGBT representation is undoubtedly a massive advantage for any film’s marketing and publicity division, but what will it take for Hollywood filmmakers to acknowledge the difference it can make on a film’s storyline as well? Diversity should not just be encouraged, but also embraced. I, for one, am so done with being teased and asked to interpret a character’s sexuality however I want to, instead of it being amply apparent in the film itself.
It’s high time audiences deserve to watch Captain America get a boyfriendJ K Rowling, I hope you’re listening.
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Once a book is published, who gets to interpret it? us or the author?
Once a book is published, who gets to interpret it? Us or the author?
In 2007, J.K. Rowling rather shocked the world when she announced that one of the biggest characters in her Harry Potter books, Albus Dumbledore, was gay. Up to that point, there was nothing in the text that explicitly mentioned his sexuality one way or another. There were barely any hints at all. But, her wording was interesting in itself. She said, "I always thought of Dumbledore as gay." She didn’t say he definitely was. She didn’t say that’s the only way to see things. She said it was just how she saw him.
This raises one big issue in the philosophy of literature and in literary interpretation generally: to what extent can an author determine what their work means, especially after it’s published? Do they have a special authority on how and how not to interpret a work?
Broadly speaking, the debate falls down into two camps: intentionalism and anti-intentionalism.
Intentionalism: what the author says, goes
Intentionalism is the idea that by creating the work of literature, the author has a special say over how to interpret that work. The strongest form of this is that the author has the only say. One is reminded of Humpty Dumpty in Lewis Carrol’s Through the Looking Glass as he says, "When I use a word it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less." This applies especially to poetry, allegory, and metaphor. When a poet uses the word "moon," who determines what this might stand for?
In practice, few philosophers or critics hold this strong view. It’s ridiculous to assume an author can say "dog" actually means "pineapple" and for that to be true. What’s a more compelling case is a form of weak intentionalism that says an author has a privileged interpretation of their work. For instance, if there are two compelling interpretations of a work, the author has the final say. If some people see Narnia as a Christian allegory and others see it as a Marxist one, then C.S. Lewis saying it’s about Christ would resolve the issue. So, if Rowling says Dumbledore is gay, then so long as that’s a reasonable interpretation, that’s the final word on the matter.
The intentionalist view seems plausible, if we consider how knowing an author’s plan changes our reading of the book. If we know that Fydor Dostoyevsky intended Prince Myshkin in The Idiot to be a near perfect moral exemplar "with an absolutely beautiful nature," this colors how we see the book. Knowing that George Orwell intended the characters of Animal Farm to be stand-ins for figures of the Russian Revolution sets you up to read the book in a certain way.
What’s more, readers seem to love asking authors questions like, "What did you mean when such-and-such did this?" or, "What were your intentions in this scene?" Clearly the author’s intentions do matter more than we think, at least to some people.
Intentionalism would destroy literary criticism
The biggest issue, perhaps, is that if intentionalism were true, it would somewhat destroy the entire discipline of literary criticism.
For example, John Milton’s Paradise Lost explicitly opens with the words that his poem is about "justifying the ways of God to men." Yet, Percy Shelley and William Blake reinterpreted the entire thing as actually having Satan as the hero! If the author were dictator of their work, this kind of reimagining would never be possible. If an author claiming, "This is what the book means," were the final say, it would disallow any kind of fresh perspective or exciting re-readings. There would be no psychoanalytic interpretation of Hamlet or feminist perspectives on Tennessee Williams.
But most of all, if the author’s intentions were all that mattered, no one would be able to find their own interpretations of a work. The beauty of literature is how we all project ourselves into what we’re reading. We find answers and truths in there that are specific to us. In a way, the book becomes part of you, the reader.
So, Dumbledore can be gay but not because J.K. Rowling thinks so. It’s only true if you see it, too.
How rowling first introduced dumbledore’s sexuality to the "harry potter" canon
In order to understand the current wave of backlash, it’s important to remember why Dumbledore’s sexuality is a topic of discussion at all.
Within Rowling’s original seven "Harry Potter" books, there is no character who identifies as gay, bisexual, transgender, or anywhere on the spectrum of LGBTQ+.
But in 2007, several months after "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows" (the final book of the series) was published, Rowling attended a Q&A at Carnegie Hall, where she revealed that Dumbledore was gay.
One person asked the author if Dumbledore ever fell in love himself, since he believed love was a prevailing power.
"My truthful answer to you … I always thought of Dumbledore as gay," Rowling replied, according to "Harry Potter" news site The Leaky Cauldron. "Dumbledore fell in love with Grindelwald, and that added to his horror when Grindelwald showed himself to be what he was."
Grindelwald, as "The Deathly Hallows" revealed, was a Dark wizard who lived next door to Dumbledore when both the men were teenagers. They spent a summer bonding over shared ambitions and concocting plans to overthrow the wizarding world’s statute of secrecy.
But their time together ended in tragedy when Dumbledore and Grindelwald got into a heated argument with the former’s brother, Aberforth. The ensuing fight ultimately killed Dumbledore’s younger sister, Ariana, and Grindelwald fled.
As he grew more powerful, Dumbledore delayed setting out to confront him partly due to shame and partly out of fear that he would learn exactly who was responsible for the death of Ariana. But he eventually did find Grindelwald and defeated him, winning the allegiance of the Elder Wand and imprisoning Grindelwald for life.
Rowling’s answer about Dumbledore’s sexuality went on to say that his love for Grindelwald had blinded him to the horrific intentions of the young Dark wizard. Rowling also said that she had given the writers working on a movie script for "Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince" a note about Dumbledore’s sexuality.
"They had Dumbledore saying a line to Harry early in the script saying I knew a girl once, whose hair… [laughter]. I had to write a little note in the margin and slide it along to the scriptwriter, ‚Dumbledore’s gay!’" Rowling said.
The crowd of fans reportedly erupted in fierce applause and gave Rowling a standing ovation. When she saw the reaction, Rowling reportedly said: "If I’d known it would make you so happy, I would have announced it years ago!"
How the dumbledore and grindelwald relationship connects to "fantastic beasts"
Rowling herself is penning five total movies for the new "Fantastic Beasts" franchise. The first installment, "Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them," focused on a magizoologist named Newt Scamander as he got up to hi-jinx in New York City in the 1920s.
We found out in that first movie that Newt was a former student of Dumbledore’s, and that Newt had unwittingly walked into the middle of a Grindelwald plot. By the end of the movie, the character played by Colin Ferrell was revealed to be Grindelwald (Johnny Depp) in disguise.
Since the first movie came out, more news has broken about the sequels, including that Jude Law was cast as a younger Dumbledore. Based on the timeline of events, the five "Fantastic Beasts" movies are taking place after the death of Ariana and likely leading up to Dumbledore’s legendary duel with Grindelwald.
Two years ago, Rowling spoke at a press conference about Dumbledore’s role in the coming movies.
"I can’t tell you everything I would like to say because this is obviously a five-part story so there’s lots to unpack in that relationship," Rowling said. "You will see Dumbledore as a younger man and quite a troubled man — he wasn’t always the sage. We’ll see him at that formative period of his life. As far as his sexuality is concerned … watch this space."
Why "harry potter" fans hoped dumbledore being gay would be part of the "fantastic beasts" sequel
When Elisabeth Joffe, a longtime "Harry Potter" fan who identifies as queer, saw the first "Fantastic Beasts" movie when it premiered last year. She was pleasantly surprised when the movie’s ending shifted the focus toward Grindelwald and Dumbledore.
"I was like, ‚This is fantastic,’" Joffe told INSIDER. "’We’re actually going to see the manifestation of Dumbledore’s queer narrative come into focus in a very large arena.’"
Joffe said she didn’t have any expectations of seeing Dumbledore’s sexuality explored in the second "Fantastic Beasts" movie until the casting announcement was made for young-Dumbledore (Jude Law). His character could have been off-screen until the third or fourth movies, after all.
"I’m not looking for a gay rom-com out of the ‚Fantastic Beasts‘ series," Joffe said. "That is not my expectation here. But the idea that [Dumbledore’s feelings toward Grindelwald] are not essential to the narrative is surprising to me."
Another fan we spoke to, Rebecca, identified herself as an LGBTQ ally whose been a part of the "Harry Potter" fandom for as long as she can remember.
"I am both furious and heartbroken," Rebecca said. "Dumbledore’s sexuality is not an Easter egg for fans of the books […] it is an integral part of the character. It gives the story depth and meaning. To leave it out is to cheat the fans of a well-written movie. Everyone deserves to be represented."
"Harry Potter" followers who identify anywhere on the LGBTQ+ spectrum have spent a decade knowing one of the most prominent characters in the series is gay, but have yet to see a single concrete piece of fiction reflecting this simple fact. Ian Thomas Malone, a gay transgender fan who has been immersed in the "Harry Potter" fandom since 2000, feels passionately about Dumbledore’s storyline (or lack thereof) in the books and movies.
"It is a big deal for a major franchise character to be gay, especially in 2007 when it was first revealed," Malone said. "The way this has been handled has turned this moment in a subject of insinuation. He can be gay in Rowling’s public appearances and tweets, but not on screen."
This is a particular sticking point: Rowling offered up Dumbledore’s sexuality as a post-book tidbit (one of many she has since ret-conned into the "Harry Potter" canon). But for some fans, that’s simply not good enough.
Why lgbtq+ representation matters
Many of the people INSIDER spoke to said the appearance of a queer "Harry Potter" character could or would have a large impact on the lives of many of Rowling’s devoted followers.
Elayna Darcy, who works for MuggleNet and co-produces a "Fantastic Beasts" podcast called SpeakBeasty, is a queer "Harry Potter" fan who also is disheartened by the latest bout of news. She recalls feeling excited back in 2007 when Rowling first broke the news about Dumbledore being gay.
Representation has become a major talking point in Hollywood. From breakthrough franchise movies like "Wonder Woman" to the highly-anticipated "Black Panther," more groups of previously underrepresented pop culture fans are seeing themselves reflected on screen in meaningful ways. But this has yet to extend to LGBTQ+ characters appearing in major franchises.
"Young people are looking to media to see themselves represented, and it’s absolutely critical that they find themselves in the characters they see on screen," Brad Ausrotas, a bisexual "Harry Potter" fan told INSIDER. "You won’t be able to ignore that forever — the generation growing up today is the gayest on record. I don’t think you’re going to find silence from us any time soon."
And though Rowling has implied that Dumbledore’s sexuality will be openly addressed at some point in the next four "Fantastic Beasts" movies, many fans don’t see why they should have to wait.
"I had very high hopes that — given the previous criticism of the books and films as distinctly lacking in queer representation — Rowling would do better," Ausrotas said. "Time had passed, the world had moved slightly closer to rights and equality for all queer people […] Maybe she could finally make good on her promise of Dumbledore having this dark, epic gay romance with Grindelwald."
“it’s clear in what you see… that he is gay.”
David Yates has revealed that Dumbledore is clearly gay in the upcoming sequel to Fantastic Beasts.
In an interview with Empire Magazine, the director said the Hogwarts professor is not “out as a gay man in this film,” but added: “This part of this huge narrative that Jo is creating doesn’t focus on his sexuality, but we’re not airbrushing or hiding it.
“The story [of the romantic relationship] isn’t there in this particular movie but it’s clear in what you see… that he is gay.”
Yates continued: “A couple of scenes we shot are very sensual moments of him and the young Grindelwald.”
Back in February, Potter-verse fans hit the roof when Yates revealed that Dumbledore will not be “explicitly” gay in the sequel, despite JK Rowling’s claims that Dumbledore’s sexuality will eventually be addressed.
“Well, I can’t tell you everything I would like to say because this is obviously a five-part story, so there’s lots to unpack in that relationship,” she said.
“I will say that you will see Dumbledore as a younger man, and quite a troubled man because he wasn’t always the sage.
“He was always very clever, but we’ll see what I think was the formative period of his life. As far as his sexuality is concerned, watch the space.”
Fantastic Beasts: Crimes of Grindelwald stars Eddie Redmayne, Katherine Waterston, Jude Law, Johnny Depp, Dan Fogler, Alison Sudol, Zoë Kravitz, Callum Turner, William Nadylam, Kevin Guthrie, Carmen Ejogo, and Poppy Corby-Tuech.
The highly-anticipated blockbuster will be released in UK cinemas on 16 November, 2018.
As potterheads around the world gear up for the release of fantastic beasts: the crimes of grindelwald later this year, more and more nuggets of information about what we can expect are starting to apparate before our very eyes.
In this sequel to 2016’s Fantastic Beasts and Where To Find Them, Newt Scamander crosses paths with a young Albus Dumbledore, who will be portrayed on screen by Jude Law.
As Harry Potter author J.K. Rowling has revealed previously, Dumbledore is a gay man – something that was never really explored in both the seven novels, or eight Warner Bros movies that followed.
Fans were hoping that this look back to Dumbledore’s life would shine more of a spotlight on his romantic past, especially considering it also features Grindelwald (played by Johnny Depp) – a dark wizard who Hogwarts’ future headmaster is emotionally invested in.
However, Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald director David Yates revealed earlier this year that this younger version of Dumbledore will not be “explicitly gay” in the film.
It’s a decision that hasn’t gone done well with the fandom, but one Jude Law says is right for this movie as it sets up future narratives.
“Jo Rowling revealed some years back that Dumbledore was gay,” Jude told Entertainment Weekly. “That was a question I actually asked Jo and she said, yes, he’s gay.
“But as with humans, your sexuality doesn’t necessarily define you; he’s multifaceted. I suppose the question is: How is Dumbledore’s sexuality depicted in this film?
“What you got to remember this is only the second Fantastic Beasts film in a series and what’s brilliant about Jo’s writing is how she reveals her characters, peels them to the heart over time.
“You’re just getting to know Albus in this film, and there’s obviously a lot more to come.
“We learn a little about his past in the beginning of this film, and characters and their relationships will unfold naturally which I’m excited to reveal. But we’re not going to reveal everything all at once.”
Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald will be released on 16 November, and will see Eddie Redmayne reprise the role of Newt Scamander.
Ezra Miller will also return as Credence Barebone, and recently told Gay Times that the oppression his character faces – which many in the LGBTQ community could relate with – will be explored further.