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<span class="byle-name"><a href=">Elisha Fieldstadt</a></span></div></sectn><div class="article-body__ntent article-body-font--loadg"><p class="">The founr of Hillsong, the ternatnal megachurch that beme a mag for lennial and superstar Christians, said he had had ncerns for years about Carl Lentz, the pastor who was fired last year part bee of "moral failur."</p><p class="">"Carl was Carl. He's a unique character. There's a lot of thgs I miss about Carl," Brian Hoton, the founr and senr pastor of Hillsong Church, said an terview wh NBC's "TODAY" show that aired Wednday.</p><div class="ad ad--text-alignment ad-ntaer boxleAd dn-prt"><div data-mps="te" data-slot="boxle" data-siz="[[[1000,1],[]],[[758,1],[[300,250],[700,50],[5,5],[728,90],[360,360]]],[[0,0],[[300,250],[700,50],[5,5],[360,360]]]]" data-renr-on-view="te" data-targetg="{}" data-active-tab="te" data-offset-viewport="100"></div></div><div id="taboolaReadMoreBelow"></div><p class="">"Havg said that, there were learship issu that I believe clud lyg, clud what I would ll narcissistic behavr," Hoton said.</p><p class="">"I'd have to adm I've had ncerns and many nversatns over the years wh Carl," he said. "I thk there's a lot of thgs I should have known earlier, and hopefully movg forward we make sure we have far better systems place and better acuntabily."</p><p class="">Lentz was the lead pastor of Hillsong's New York branch. He beme a pastor wh the church, based Sydney, after he lnched s first U.S. lotn wh Hoton's son Joel 2010, acrdg to <a href=" target="_blank">Relign News Service</a>.</p><p class="">About a to Lentz's tenure wh the church, <a href=" target="_blank">Hoton announced a statement that he had been fired</a> "followg ongog discsns relatn to learship issu and breach of tst, pl a recent revelatn of moral failur."</p><div class="ad ad--text-alignment ad-ntaer boxleAd dn-prt"><div data-mps="te" data-slot="boxle" data-siz="[[[1000,1],[]],[[758,1],[[300,250],[700,50],[5,5],[728,90],[360,360]]],[[0,0],[[300,250],[700,50],[5,5],[360,360]]]]" data-renr-on-view="te" data-targetg="{}" data-active-tab="te" data-offset-viewport="100"></div></div><p class="">Lentz addrsed his termatn an <a href=" target="_blank">Instagram post</a>, sayg he had been unfahful his marriage.</p><p class="">"When you accept the llg of beg a pastor, you mt live such a way that honors the mandate. That honors the church, and that honors God. When that do not happen, a change needs to be ma and has been ma this se to ensure that standard is upheld," he ptned a fay photo that clud his wife and three children.</p><p class="">Hoton said he learned about Lentz's fily October. He was fired Nov. 4.</p><p class="">Hillsong, which scrib self as a "ntemporary Christian church," was found Atralia 1983. It has grown to clu lotns more than 20 untri; s lotns the U.S. have clud New York, New Jersey, California, Arizona, Geia, Missouri, Nevada, Texas, Connecticut and Massachetts.</p><div class="ad ad--text-alignment ad-ntaer boxleAd dn-prt"><div data-mps="te" data-slot="boxle" data-siz="[[[1000,1],[]],[[758,1],[[300,250],[700,50],[5,5],[728,90],[360,360]]],[[0,0],[[300,250],[700,50],[5,5],[360,360]]]]" data-renr-on-view="te" data-targetg="{}" data-active-tab="te" data-offset-viewport="100"></div></div><p class="">The Hillsong brand also clus a Grammy-wng rerd label, a trag program and a televisn channel.</p><div class="remend-tersectn-ref" data-activy-map="remend-article-body-remend"></div><p class="">The church is known for attractg a number of celebry worshippers, cludg Jt Bieber and his wife, Hailey; Chris Pratt and his wife, Kathere Schwarzenegger; Kourtney Kardashian; and Kylie and Kendall Jenner.</p><p class="">Asked on "TODAY" about Hillsong East's perceived practice of appealg to celebry parishners, like Bieber, Hoton said "there's another si" to .</p><div class="remend-tersectn-ref" data-activy-map="remend-article-body-remend"></div><p class="">"He was wreckg hotel rooms and basilly on the edge of gettg ported to Canada," Hoton said, sayg Bieber had been livg an "out-of-ntrol life" wh dg abe.</p><div class="ad ad--text-alignment ad-ntaer boxleAd dn-prt"><div data-mps="te" data-slot="boxle" data-siz="[[[1000,1],[]],[[758,1],[[300,250],[700,50],[5,5],[728,90],[360,360]]],[[0,0],[[300,250],[700,50],[5,5],[360,360]]]]" data-renr-on-view="te" data-targetg="{}" data-active-tab="te" data-offset-viewport="100"></div></div><p class="">"And look at Jt Bieber today. Anyone who's beg fair uld see a radil change," Hoton said. "And so not everythg about is bad."</p><p class="">Prsed further about whether celebri got better treatment, Hoton said, "I do thk that we did allow a culture to velop where was one le for celebri and a different le for other people."</p><p class="">After Lentz's parture, the pastors of two other lotns rigned, and allegatns of abe and overworkg of volunteers surfaced.</p><p class="">"In my md, if one person is treated badly, that's one too many," Hoton said. "That, if 's te that people have been treated badly or that people have been bullied, I am 100 percent mted to movg that out of our church."</p><div class="ad ad--text-alignment ad-ntaer boxleAd dn-prt"><div data-mps="te" data-slot="boxle" data-siz="[[[1000,1],[]],[[758,1],[[300,250],[700,50],[5,5],[728,90],[360,360]]],[[0,0],[[300,250],[700,50],[5,5],[360,360]]]]" data-renr-on-view="te" data-targetg="{}" data-active-tab="te" data-offset-viewport="100"></div></div><p class="">In addn, gay members have <a href=" target="_blank">tailed difficult experienc</a> at Hillsong.</p><p class="">"I want to get better at the way we munite and embrace and work wh people who are gay. We are an evangelil church, I would say a nservative evangelil church," Hoton said. "We're grapplg wh the issu. The world has changed so quickly.</p><p class="">"I love people. I love all people. And I love people om all walks of life. And I don't have any personal bias at all agast gay or lbian people. But unfortunately, as a pastor, you don't reprent what you thk. You reprent what the Bible says," he said. "But everyone's wele. Many, many people who are gay e to Hillsong Church."</p><p class="">Hoton said he don't ny that Hillsong has suffered om learship missteps.</p><div class="ad ad--text-alignment ad-ntaer boxleAd dn-prt"><div data-mps="te" data-slot="boxle" data-siz="[[[1000,1],[]],[[758,1],[[300,250],[700,50],[5,5],[728,90],[360,360]]],[[0,0],[[300,250],[700,50],[5,5],[360,360]]]]" data-renr-on-view="te" data-targetg="{}" data-active-tab="te" data-offset-viewport="100"></div></div><p class="">"I'm acknowledgg that mistak have been ma and that there are thgs where we need to get far better, much better. I'm not shrkg back om that," he said.</p><p class="">The size of the anizatn, however, isn't the problem, he said.</p><p class="endmark">"I'm not sure a church n be too big. 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carl lentz gay

Hillsong Church says they are a "gay welg" ngregatn, even though they are not gay affirmg. Hillsong pastor Carl Lents explas how they are attemptg to thk through and navigate this difficult issue.

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JT BIEBER SPARKS GAY SPECULATN AFTER ACCG PASTOR RICH WILKERSON OF CHEATG

"In addn, gay members have tailed difficult experienc at Hillsong.

"I want to get better at the way we munite and embrace and work wh people who are gay.

And I don't have any personal bias at all agast gay or lbian people.

CARL LENTZ ON HOW HILLSONG CHURCH IS BEG ‘GAY WELG’ WHOUT PROMISG THEIR NVICTNS

Many, many people who are gay e to Hillsong Church.

HILLSONG NEW YORK PASTOR CARL LENTZ: 'WE HAVE A LOT OF GAY MEN AND WOMEN OUR CHURCH AND I PRAY WE ALWAYS DO'

As the "Baby" hmaker sound like a disgntled ex, some people uldn't help thkg that he and the pastor were gay lovers.

*BEAR-MAGAZINE.COM* CARL LENTZ GAY

Carl Lentz on how Hillsong Church is beg ‘gay welg’ whout promisg their nvictns .

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