Ain-Amerin Vs. Gay Civil Rights Is A False Choice | HuffPost Relign

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Lbian, gay, and bisexual (LGB) dividuals e om diverse cultural groups wh differg ethnic and racial inti. However, most rearch on LGB people whe wtern sampl and studi of Ao-Caribbean diaspora often e Jamain sampl. Th, the plexy of Ao-Caribbean LGB peopl' experienc of homophobia is largely unknown. The thors' analys explore experienc of homophobia among LGB people St. Lucia. Fdgs dite issu of sk-sha orientated tolerance, regnalized dispari levels of tolerance toward LGB people and regnalized passg (regnalized sexual inty shiftg). Fally, the thors' fdgs dite that sk sha inti and regnal lotn fluence the psychologil health out of homophobia experienced by LGB people St. Lucia.

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OPPONENTS OF THE RERVE OFFICER TRAG CORPS (ROTC) E THE SAME ARGUMENT NCERNG THE DISCRIMATORY PRACTIC OF THE ARMED FORC. BUT YOU NNOT PARE HOMOSEXUALS TO BLACKS. GAYS ARE NOT A RACE OF PEOPLE. DISCRIMATN AGAST BLACKS IS VERY DIFFERENT OM DISCRIMATN AGAST GAYS.THE BLACK STGGLE AMERI HAS HISTORIL BASIS AND IMPLITN. SLAVERY AND JIM CROW WERE PRACTIC THAT RAPED OUR FAI, OUR INTI AND OUR CULTURE. TODAY, BLACKS REMA POLILLY AND ENOMILLY OPPRSED. POVERTY AND VLENCE HAVE RULTED OM THIS SYSTEMATIC OPPRSN. THE GAS OF OUR ANCTORS SEEM TO HAVE BEEN TEMPORARY.IN NTRAST, HOMOSEXUALS ARE NOT ENOMILLY OPPRSED. AS GAY RIGHTS ADVOT DITE, THEY ARE OUR LAWYERS, OUR DOCTORS, OUR TEACHERS, ETC. GAYS REPRENT MASTREAM AMERI THAT THEY HAVE GAED ENOMIC EEDOM AND AFFLUENCE. POLILLY, MANY ERNMENT OFFICIALS HAVE BEGUN TO ADM THEIR HOMOSEXUALY. THE STGGLE OF GAYS IS NOT PARABLE.THE REASON I WROTE THIS LETTER IS THAT I NNOT STAND TO SEE THE PLIGHT OF BLACKS MISREPRENTED. ROTC ASSAILANTS ARE RRECT SAYG THAT ROTC'S DISCRIMATN AGAST GAYS TODAY IS SIAR TO THAT APPLIED BY THE ARY TOWARD BLACKS HISTORILLY.THIS IS WHERE THE SIARY BETWEEN BLACKS AND HOMOSEXUALS ENDS. LIBERALS HAVE SUGGTED THAT BLACKS, GAYS, OTHER MORI AND WOMEN SHOULD BAND TOGETHER TO FIGHT DISCRIMATN. FOR BLACKS THIS WOULD DO NO GOOD. WE ALREADY HAVE CIVIL RIGHTS LAWS THAT IRONILLY PROCLAIM OUR LEGAL EQUALY. WE MT NOW FIGHT VERT AS WELL AS SYSTEMATIC PERSECUTN THAT HAVE PREVENTED EQUALY OF OPPORTUNY FOR OUR PEOPLE. BY BANDG TOGETHER, EACH GROUP WOULD LOSE THE DIVIDUAL MSAGE OF THEIR UNIQUE SUATN. BLACKS GA NOTHG STANDG BI GAYS. THIS ONLY CLOUDS THE TE PROBLEMS OF BLACK AMERI.I MEAN NO DISRPECT TO GAYS, BUT I WILL NOT APOLOGIZE FOR MY UNWILLGNS TO PARALLEL HOMOSEXUALY TO BLACKNS. EVERYTIME I HEAR THE ANALOGY--ON DONAHUE, THE CRIMSON, AT DNER--I CRGE. IT IS SIMPLY A FALLACY. DISCRIMATN AGAST HOMOSEXUALS CENTERS AROUND MORALY AND SEXUALY. 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Gay vs. Black: A Conversatn fictn (2012) by bill rayburn G(ay): We should support each other. * gay vs black *

Wh the nsirable amount of attentn beg paid to racism and LGBTQ rights the days—wh the Conferate flag and Charlton massacre on the one hand, and the Supreme Court marriage equaly cisn on the other—there have been efforts to pare the two, as if to say the Black stggl agast racism are the same as the LGBT muny agast homophobia.

Harvey Milk, the assassated gay civil rights lear, supported the ia of a flag to raise the visibily of the LGBT stggle and San Francis artist Gilbert Baker subsequently signed such a flag 1978. All of this has led to claims by some that gay rights are the new civil rights, of which some the Black muny have taken issue, notg a ccial distctn. “And so we get Ain-Amerins Jim Crow who uldn’t vote, who uldn’t stay hotels, who uldn’t stay rtrants, but if you were whe and gay, you uld, ” said TV One host Roland Mart on NPR.

ARE MORY MEN MORE LIKELY TO BE GAY? WHY?

A aln of black pastors filed an amic brief Michigan's gay marriage trial last Wednday. The group hope to feat efforts to make same-sex marriage legal Michigan and the brief they particularly rejected parisons between the gay civil rights movement and the stggle for Ain Amerins this untry. * gay vs black *

Marriage equaly do not protect a Black gay man om beg beaten the streets, shot to ath by a racist police officer, or nied a job bee of his name and his sk. And ntrast, whe gay men still have whe sk privilege as whe men, particularly as closeted gay nservative men who, the halls of power, ntue to enact opprsive laws agast disenanchised groups. To The Edors of The Crimson:I was talkg wh a iend yterday about gay rights when he clared, "discrimatn agast gays; 's the same as discrimatn agast Blacks.

LBIAN, GAY, BISEXUAL, TRANSGENR – WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE?

LGBT rights have been spired by the earlier civil rights movement. Some LGBT advot say gay rights are the new civil rights, offendg some Ain-Amerins. * gay vs black *

ROTC assailants are rrect sayg that ROTC's discrimatn agast gays today is siar to that applied by the ary toward Blacks is where the siary between Blacks and homosexuals ends. The view that sexual inty may change might be ed to support therapy geared towards "nvertg" homosexuals to heterosexuals, an approach which was outlawed recently California (for mors), legislatn that is likely to spread.

So rults of new rearch on orientatn self-intifitn — “the largt sgle study of the distributn of the lbian, gay, bisexual, and transgenr (LGBT) populatn the U. On rerd, ” which Gallup asked more than 120, 000 Amerins if they personally intified as lbian, gay, bisexual or transgenr — reviewed the New York Tim by opn lumnist Charl Blow, are bafflg. It shows that the gay and lbian muny is more diverse than many believe, and shows that many young men of lor feel empowered to intify as they feel most fortable.

GAY VS. BLACK: A CONVERSATN

* gay vs black *

Not bee they are bad, or homophobic, or transphobic… but bee the reali are not their own lived experience, or bee workg alongsi the groups may be a newer experience for them. And then they ma me wonr about two thgs: Why the hell did take me so long to have a night out wh anyone who was gay; and how e I’ve never been around anyone who was Black and gay, and out and ee as the guys were? Here’s my “duh” moment: The Black muny has to embrace s gay members for who they are, and let allow them to openly ntribute to the llective wh their dive gifts jt like we do wh our straight Black cizens.

For starters, the cultural excln of Black homosexual mal, (I’ll get to the lbian populatn soon) has more than likely created the MSM: men who sleep wh men or if you ed to watch Oprah, down low men. Expectatns of homosexualy, on the other hand, are often associated wh “gay” intifitn and polil alignment, effemate behavr, assiatn wh the whe muny and HIV…Black MSMs are prented wh two very different sets of expectatns regardg their racial and sexual inti, and when society asks them to prrize one over the other, the problem aris.

This is turn n lead to not livg their tth as openly gay men, but they also may not re to get the health rmatn or treatment they may need due to such shamg. And if you like to stay up on current events, you know that HIV fectns are really high the Black muny, pecially among the Black gay/MSM populatn.

AIN-AMERIN VS. GAY CIVIL RIGHTS IS A FALSE CHOICE

“Published rearch do not provi five answers about why new HIV fectns among young, Black/Ain Amerin gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex wh men (MSM) have creased.

However, Black/Ain/Amerin MSM of all ag experience racial dispari health and are more likely than other gay and bisexual men of other rac/ethnici to enunter broar social and enomic barriers [1]. And I spect those eight stat are populated wh a lot of folks who, if they were nvced equaly was the only goal, and not promotn of the ‘gay liftyle’, they might be more open to . But wh homosexualy, you brg the almost always dicey specter of sexualy and, I gotta be hont, Ameri has large pockets of reprsn about sex, gay or straight.

AIN-AMERINS QUTN COMPARG GAY RIGHTS MOVEMENT TO CIVIL RIGHTS

Other than havg someone fluential and signifint e out, I thk we need more everyday gay folks to stand up and reprent, which I believe is now happeng and will only get better. If you know someone who is gay, or better yet share blood wh a gay person, the odds are you will ga a better unrstandg of, and maybe even an affy for the gay experience.

The group of 110 relig lears hope to feat efforts to make same-sex marriage legal Michigan and the brief they particularly rejected parisons between the gay civil rights movement and the stggle for Ain Amerins this untry.

I disagree wh the cisn that the pastors have ma regardg same-sex equaly, but I agree wh them that any facile parison between gay civil rights and black civil rights is ahistoril and bound to create more problems that offer solutns. Also, ntrastg the stggle for same-sex marriage wh the Ain Amerin civil rights movement, the pastors Michigan are fettg the thoands, perhaps lns, of Amerins who belong to both the gay and black muni.

“IT'S JT MORE ACCEPTABLE TO BE WHE OR MIXED RACE AND GAY THAN BLACK AND GAY”: THE PERCEPTNS AND EXPERIENC OF HOMOPHOBIA ST. LUCIA

That is the GRIGSBY BATES, BYLINE: And 's an important one for Ain-Amerin televisn host Roland Mart bee, he says, black Amerins back the '60s were more disenanchised than LGBT people are And so we get Ain-Amerins Jim Crow who uldn't vote, who uldn't stay hotels, who uldn't stay rtrants, but if you were whe and gay, you Reverend Patrick Walker agre. (SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)JOHN LEWIS: I fought too hard and too long agast discrimatn based on race and lor not to stand up and speak up agast discrimatn agast our gay and lbian brothers and sisters.

ALL THE GAYS ARE WHE AND ALL THE BLACKS ARE STRAIGHT: BLACK GAY MAL, INTY AND COMMUNY

Former Brish Caribbean loni cludg Jamai, Barbados and the Bahamas (Gasks, 2013) have been the foc of psychologil rearch on sexual orientatn and homophobia the Caribbean regn (e. This qualative study foc on this gap the lerature by explorg the perceptns and experienc of homophobia among lbian, gay, and bisexual (LGB) dividuals livg St Lucia, an Eastern Caribbean Island wh a Brish and French creolized, or Kwéyòl, lonial history, culture and language. All homosexual acts are illegal Tridad and Tobago and Barbados; and male homosexualy cludg sodomy and public displays of affectn are illegal Guyana and Jamai but female homosexualy is not (Human Rights Watch, 2004; Sheller, 2012).

Some law enforcement agenci the regn fail to protect LGB dividuals om homophobic hate crime; and some law enforcement officers themselv have been volved harassment and attacks on men and women perceived to be homosexual (Human Rights Watch, 2004; Becker, 2013; Cloonan, 2013; Stanislas, 2013a, b). The prevalence of homophobia and homophobic abe Jamai and other Caribbean Islands has been lked to high rat of fay disownment, homelsns and lonels wh lol LGB muni (Bourne et al., 2012).

Homophobia has also ntributed to some of the mental health issu experienced by LGB dividuals the regn cludg their greater rat of prsn, anxiety and substance mise disorrs pared to heterosexuals (Kg et al., 2006; Addis et al., 2009; Whe et al., 2010; Milne, 2011; Bourne et al., 2012). A study of stigma and discrimatn experienced by homosexual men Jamai found that the majory of participants reported fay disownment and beg “shamed” to droppg out of school (Bourne et al., 2012). Over 50% their study reported experiencg homophobic abe, such as name-llg, discrimatn, vlence, threats of vlence, and harassment on more than three ocsns each month.

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G., Chevann and Gayle, 2000; Chevann, 2001; Redg, 2003; Zimmerman, 2003; Human Rights Watch, 2004; Gorry and Miller, 2005; Kempadoo, 2009; Coat, 2010; Nelson and Mell, 2010; Porter and Prce, 2011; Smh, 2011; Careaga, 2011; Stanislas, 2013a, b; Sáez, 2015). This pattern suggts differenc iologil handovers om the regns lonial past have led to differenc homophobia across the Caribbean (Sharpe and Pto, 2006; Kempadoo, 2009).

Wh var Black-Amerin and Black-Caribbean muni there is a racialized unrstandg of “(ab)normal” and “acceptable” sexual behavr for black persons (Fs, 1995; Napier, 2000; Carbado, 2001; Alexanr, 2004; Kornegay, 2004; Hunter, 2005; Silverman, 2005; Ford, 2006, 2008, 2013; Thomas, 2007; Grosch, 2008; Wahab and Plaza, 2009; Das Nair and Thomas, 2012).

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