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Simpson murr se beme a flashpot for talkg about race and the Amerin crimal jtice system. Not only did he h his goal, but he overshot that ntime by about three hours.</p><p class="paywall">"No sane person would do this," Elman says now, stg a lounge New York's Post Factory, where his doc was eded. “Talkg about now ’s like 'This is fuckg crazy.' The whole thg is a huge leap of fah. You have no knowledge of what exists om an archival standpot—you don’t know anythg. You jt go, 'Let’s try to tackle this to the bt of our abili.'"</p><p class="paywall">In the end, he took some 800 hours of footage—some om archive material, some om terviews wh 72 people—and boiled down to one sgle 467-mute movie. It took him more than two years. But he didn’t do alone. In fact, wasn’t even entirely his ia. We spoke wh Elman and his creative partners to get the story of how they created the wildly amb documentary.</p><div role="headg" aria-level="3" class="paywall headg-h3">Febary, 2014: The Begng</div><p class="paywall"><strong>Connor Schell, executive producer and senr VP, ESPN Films:</strong> We’ve been producg a seri of documentary films at ESPN lled “30 for 30” sce 2009. In that time, we gaed more of a foothold documentary filmmakg, workg wh var directors, and tacklg topics of real cultural importance where sports is your wdow . I certaly knew Ezra’s work and I’d been thkg about O.J. Simpson for a long time, but our pursu of wantg to do somethg on O.J. Simpson always started om, “Well, how do you nceive of somethg that’s not obv?” This is terrory that’s very well-vered, be that books, articl, or other documentary films. Obvly, there’s a sectn of this story that’s om [the murr of Nile Brown and Ron Goldman ] June 1994 to [Simpson's acqutal ] October of 1995 that, if you make a project about O.J. Simpson, you’re gog to have to ver. But I was always terted the full picture. What me before and what me after. And where uld O.J.’s story take you? 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When he told me what was about I was not that terted. My thought was “What n I add to this story?” They had already done a film on O.J.—<em>June 17, 1994</em>, Brett Men’s rendn of the day of the Bron chase. Connor wanted to do somethg more challengg and that jibed wh somethg I wanted to do.</p><div class="Contaer-bkChBi byNLHx"></div><p class="paywall"><strong>Schell:</strong> We were terted the ntext, the story of race, of celebry, and how O.J. helps you tell that story. We started the nversatn about a really long movie by sayg “OK, when you get to that perd, why was so meangful? Why did mean so much to whe Amerin and black Amerin and why did they view so differently?” That’s a story we’re really terted— tellg and therefore, needs to be long.</p><div role="headg" aria-level="3" class="paywall headg-h3">April 2014: The Rearch</div><p class="paywall"><em>Bee Elman’s movie tails the history of the relatnship between the the Los Angel Police Department and Ain-Amerin muni long before Simpson was a stunt the Universy of Southern California, his team had to fd footage of events like the Watts rts and fai om the South movg to LA.</em></p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-1 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall"><strong>Elman:</strong> From there was a few months of me jt readg. That's all I did: I got up and I read. Jefey Toob’s book <em>The Run of His Life</em>, Lawrence Schiller’s book <em>Amerin Tragedy</em>. This great book by Lou Cannon lled <em>Official Negligence</em>, which is about the history of the LAPD. But the first thg I did, was addrs the practil qutn of “How the fuck do we get this done?” So that meant jt llg Carole [Waterlow, the movie’s producer] and beg like “Carole, so there’s this thg. It’s gog to be big. I thk ’ll be tertg. It might not be <em>so</em> fun, but I n thk of no other person who I would want to help me craft this.”</p><div><div class="ConsumerMarketgUnThemedWrapper-iUTMTf jssHut nsumer-marketg-un nsumer-marketg-un--article-mid-ntent" role="prentatn" aria-hidn="te"><div class="nsumer-marketg-unslot nsumer-marketg-unslot--article-mid-ntent nsumer-marketg-unslot---ntent"></div><div class="journey-un"></div></div></div><p class="paywall"><strong>Carole Waterlow:</strong> I remember we had pizza. My ial reactn was “<em>O.J.</em>?” You feel like ’s a story that surely we know about. All the films I’ve worked on have been predomantly archival, historil docs, so the ia of beg able to get to the early ntext and history beme tertg to me quickly. Then my job was to hire people to figure out how to do that. This is not a job for a young associate producer who’s like jt startg out. You n’t ask them, "So, n you ll the former DA of Los Angel?" 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class="bodyner-ntaer"><p class="paywall"><strong>Elman:</strong> She found all the people for the team and om there was jt the batn of experience and alchemy.</p><div class="AdWrapper-dQtivb fZrssQ ad ad---ntent"><div class="adslot adslot---ntent" data-no-id="zuqxe"></div></div><p class="paywall"><em>Elman and and Waterlow soon brought on producer Tamara Rosenberg, who was tasked wh trackg down all of the doc’s sourc, and producer Na Krstic, who had to fd and create a database of 500-600 hours of archival footage.</em></p><p class="paywall"><strong>Tamara Rosenberg:</strong> I got a phone ll om Carole first and I was like, “O.J.?” Nothg my rume pots me towards that subject. But then I had my first meetg wh Ezra and he already had an outle of what he wanted to do and was very apparent to me that that wasn’t gog to be any other O.J. story. This was gog to be different—and great.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Na Krstic:</strong> His enthiasm was a clcher. Also, was like, "How n you refe such a challenge?" How do you fd archive of that that someone has never seen before? I thk was a challenge I’d dreamed about my whole life and there was.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Elman:</strong> [Deadpan] I jt want, for the rerd, to note how much both of them talked about my enthiasm.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Schell:</strong> He jok about , but when he’s engaged, ’s all he n thk or talk about. He’s .</p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-2 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall"><strong>Elman:</strong> Which I image is fortg for an executive. [<em>Lghs</em>.]</p><div role="headg" aria-level="3" class="paywall headg-h3">Augt 2014: Buildg the Story</div><p class="paywall"><strong>Elman:</strong> Wh this large of a nvas, there was a need and an ambn to tell O.J.’s story wh some sort of thoroughns. I was terted tellg the story of what happened to him after the trial; at the same time, I wanted to tell this other story about the relatnship between the black muny and the police partment LA, and that that was gog to rm this greater story about race Ameri. Then there was this story about him as a cultural in that existed on this other level. But all me back where we were gog wh the trial. It feels like the ultimate Amerin Studi paper.</p><div class="GenericCalloutWrapper-tojWn ftdwXT llout--has-top-borr" data-ttid="GenericCallout"><asi class="Sibar-pgAgH kJWjjR" data-ttid="SibarEmbed"><blockquote class="BlockquoteEmbedWrapper-sc-SdiGL gzzTVu paywall blockquote-embed"><div class="BlockquoteEmbedContent-RbGs ea-DDJW blockquote-embedntent"><p>O.J. Simpson arriv next door to Watts a year after the rts, but he’s this really whe, nservative, apolil place, right next to a place that had jt burned out of tratn. You see all the parallel tracks and ’s like, 'Isn’t this everythg we were talkg about wh the trial years later?' That’s a re place to start the story.</p></div></blockquote><p class="paywall">director Ezra Elman</p></asi></div><p class="paywall">O.J. be famo for football, and that’s all he has to do to get noticed. Then right down the ast there’s a muny of people Watts that were so trated and outraged wh how they were beg treated by the police that this sort of ends up cg the rts 1965. And this is what this muny is dog to have their voic heard. So there’s this juxtaposn. Then O.J. arriv next door to that like a year later, but he’s this really whe, nservative, apolil place, right next to a place that had jt burned out of tratn. You see all the parallel tracks and ’s like, “Isn’t this everythg we were talkg about wh the trial years later?”</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Waterlow:</strong> There was a big bullet board that I had ma. That was the first place that we started buildg timel of O.J.’s life and what was gog on the world. Then jt nam. [Prosecutor] Marcia Clark, of urse, but also the nam of childhood iends. It was jt a board of a ln nam.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Elman:</strong> It was anized chaos. I was lookg for first-person voic: people who lived through this history at every pot, whether ’s O.J.’s football reer or the LAPD. When you look at the people who are the most important and impactful people the film, you’re like “I didn’t know who any of the people were.” I was standg on a tra platform somewhere Connecticut, and Tamara lled me up and she was like, “So I jt talked the guys, I dunno, they were a uple of O.J.’s childhood iends...” and I had never heard of them, but that’s exactly where this whole thg together. 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In there are people we did terview, people who were mayb, and jt people we looked at, and people who jt said “no.” It was a big stg job. It was a nstant dialogue wh Ezra. As he felt ready to tackle a certa perd of O.J.’s life, then we started populatg those areas wh people. So would be “OK, we’re ready to talk about his USC years,” and then I would go on the hunt for his team players om those years.</p><p class="paywall">We had a great PA on the team, who was very good at trackg people down. I would jt send nam to him, and he would triangulate and I don’t know what to fd people. He would post on msage boards. I don’t even know what he did and I don’t want to know. He would jt send me a phone number and be like “I have a good feelg about this one." Then was jt a job of llg them and sayg “Hey, this is what we’re dog” and really tryg to imprs upon them that this was not jt another O.J. doc, and that was hard bee a lot of the people had approached by the prs before, so we were guilty by associatn.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Waterlow:</strong> And then as soon as we found a person was a matter of “Is there any footage of that amazg USC game?” and Na [Krstic] would have to get volved.</p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-3 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall"><strong>Na Krstic:</strong> When I got started September the first goal was: fd every sgle terview wh O.J. And then was fillg the historil stuff. So there were two layers to . There was also fdg stuff that was pre-’90s and then was Rodney Kg, murr trial, and everythg else. Once you get to the ’90s there’s tons of stuff, but we don’t want to see the same footage all over aga. Also, wh news stori, I wanted raw footage, bee I don’t want a news edor om ’94 cidg what’s good and what’s not good.</p><div role="headg" aria-level="3" class="paywall headg-h3">Fall 2014-Wter 2015: The Interviews</div><p class="paywall"><strong>Waterlow:</strong> Ezra did every one of those terviews, so to prep for those was major.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Elman:</strong> There is a method to the madns. You know you want Marcia Clark, you know you want the bigger characters, but you’re not gog to ll them up ially. You want to be as prepared before you get to that pot. But also, you jt have to start. So we terviewed 72 people; 66 are the film, but two of the people that aren’t we terviewed on the first day bee you jt need to get gog.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Rosenberg:</strong> Some people I would talk to for many months before we fally got them. Hands down, as a group, the jurors [for Simpson’s murr trial] were the harst to nvce. We reached out to a bunch of them. 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But we were gog there so was like, “We should probably try to talk to people volved the robbery. Talk about a place we’re not at yet. But sometim you jt have to figure out." That’s where you’re makg a mi movie wh the massive movie.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Waterlow:</strong> Wh this film, more than any others that I’ve worked on, there was a lot of “Don’t say ‘no’—let me have ffee wh you.” We had to make our se about who we are and what we were dog. There were several trips to LA, October, November, and December. Las Vegas January. There were five or six shoots the fall.</p><div class="GenericCalloutWrapper-tojWn ftdwXT llout--has-top-borr" data-ttid="GenericCallout"><asi class="Sibar-pgAgH kJWjjR" data-ttid="SibarEmbed"><blockquote class="BlockquoteEmbedWrapper-sc-SdiGL gzzTVu paywall blockquote-embed"><div class="BlockquoteEmbedContent-RbGs ea-DDJW blockquote-embedntent"><p>Some people I would talk to for many months before we fally got them. Hands down, as a group, the jurors were the harst to nvce.</p></div></blockquote><p class="paywall">producer Tamara Rosenberg</p></asi></div><p class="paywall"><strong>Elman:</strong> The jury was a big part of the nvas, but the prosecutn was an even bigger part. And we were havg no luck. There were jt four ma people [ the prosecutn], and we need at least one. That was really strsful. I really wanted Chris Darn. I spent a week readg his book and wrg him a letter—no rponse, no rponse, no rponse. But we had to keep gog. I fally got [district attorney] Gil Garcetti's email om a fay iend January or Febary, four months after we’d started shootg, and he said, “You’re wele to e out and talk to me next time you’re LA, but I won’t do an terview.” You go and have a lovely nversatn for two hours and he’s like “I’m still not dog an terview” and I’m like, “Du, that uld have been the terview. This uld be <em>done</em>.” But after three nversatns and two viss to his hoe, was like 10:30 pm on a Tuday night and he wrote me an email or sent me a text and said, “Alright, I’m gog to do .” There was a palpable sense of relief. We had already gotten to the pot where we were gog to start edg.</p><div role="headg" aria-level="3" class="paywall headg-h3">Febary, 2015: Edg Begs</div><p class="paywall"><strong>Waterlow:</strong> There was lots of archival beg gathered the whole time. We knew there would be plenty for [Bret Granato, one of the film's three edors] to start. Thirty terviews, maybe.</p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-4 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall"><strong>Granato:</strong> I had wasted a lot of my sophomore year llege followg the trial. When we first started, the first thg I put my hands on was the Watts rts sectn. When I first talked to Ezra I had mentned that I knew a lot about the trial, and he was kd of unimprsed by that. [<em>Lghs</em>] He said that he really wanted Los Angel to be a character. So that was the first thg we touched.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Elman:</strong> While he was workg on another film, before he was officially workg on this, he was takg the d of the terviews that we had shot and listeng to them on his own. So he showed up wh this sense of where we were gog.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Granato:</strong> How Ezra works is he creat this 50-60 page document of the roadmap. We met a few tim before the ed to go over that. 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class="bodyner-ntaer"><p class="paywall"><strong>Krstic:</strong> I ma sure that every sectn of O.J.’s life had at least a reprentative amount of footage to give Bret the eedom to start wh . Then there was also the massive job of anizg over 500 hours of footage, sub-clippg , keywordg , makg the job a year down the le so much easier. My ey still cross when I thk about this, but I basilly ma a huge database, and then every entry the database has a clip and ’s all searchable.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Schell:</strong> The amazg thg is the exercise logistics. Ezra’s off rearchg and dog an terview, Tamara is three or five shoots ahead of him, tryg to get people led up. Then Bret’s tryg to tell a story around all of the parts…</p><div class="GenericCalloutWrapper-tojWn ftdwXT llout--has-top-borr" data-ttid="GenericCallout"><asi class="Sibar-pgAgH kJWjjR" data-ttid="SibarEmbed"><blockquote class="BlockquoteEmbedWrapper-sc-SdiGL gzzTVu paywall blockquote-embed"><div class="BlockquoteEmbedContent-RbGs ea-DDJW blockquote-embedntent"><p>There was the massive job of anizg over 500 hours of footage, sub-clippg , keywordg , makg the job a year down the le so much easier. My ey still cross when I thk about this, but I basilly ma a huge database, and then every entry the database has a clip and ’s all searchable.</p></div></blockquote><p class="paywall">producer Na Krstic</p></asi></div><p class="paywall"><strong>Waterlow:</strong> And Na is IM-g all day wh three people beg like “What do you need? What do you need? What do you need?”</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Schell:</strong> The ia that uld all e together to f the visn laid out is que astonishg.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Elman:</strong> I’m ed to feelg like I have to be ntrol of everythg. But this was the first time where was like, “That sh a’t gonna work.” I talked to Tamara a lot bee we’re talkg about the characters and terviews. And Carole and I have this … ’s a ltle more aternal.</p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-5 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall"><strong>Waterlow:</strong> I’m the tth-teller.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Elman:</strong> We jt have our own thg. Bret and I get to talk about the story, but—unfortunately for him—I’m stg behd him like Pig-Pen and the sky is always fallg and he’s like “Du, this is hard enough.” But wh Na, she’s the one person, and I say this lovgly, she’s a <em>mache</em>.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Krstic:</strong> It was never-endg. Even when we were locked, there was still always one ltle thg we’d need.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Granato:</strong> I feel like all of our scen were built ially to jt tell the bt way uld be told, then we would make better—but when we were makg better, we weren’t necsarily makg shorter.</p><figure data-ttid="IameEmbed" class="IameEmbedWrapper-sc-dRedg kSrFfN iame-embed"><div data-ttid="IameEmbedContaer" class="IameEmbedContaer-hptgUZ hFGDtL"><div class="IameEmbedAspectRatWrapper-hFVJps kaOLzO"><iame class="IameEmbedContent-cMdiev csnuAY IameEmbedContent lazyload" height="300px" sandbox="allow-scripts allow-popups allow-same-orig" tle="Embedd Frame" data-src=" allow="toplay ; encrypted-media ; clipboard-wre; toplay; fullscreen; picture--picture"></iame></div></div></figure><div role="headg" aria-level="3" class="paywall headg-h3">Sprg/Summer, 2015: Interviews Contue</div><p class="paywall"><strong>Rosenberg:</strong> We found Carrie Bs, one of the jurors, pretty early on and Ezra and I met her and had ffee and she was fairly non-mtal. I ma a hab ever time we’d land LA to drive to her place. She didn’t e email and barely ed the phone, so was jt about me showg up and sayg “hi.” She would give me lemons om her lemon tree. We had a cute relatnship that way. But she never fully mted. So fally on one of our last trips to LA, I remember stg wh her unr her lemon tree and sayg, “Carrie, you have to do this.” Luckily enough she was like, “OK, e back a uple of days.”</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Elman:</strong> She didn’t have any tert and this thg. Sometim she’s engaged and sometim not. Sometim she’d say somethg profound and wonrful, sometim she says somethg kooky. There’s a realns to her. 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class="body__ner-ntaer"><p class="paywall"><strong>Rosenberg:</strong> I had a feelg on the day of the terview that I had to show up before the team, so I drove over and of urse Carrie Bs had pletely fotten. She was vered pat bee she was re-patg her hoe. I phed her the shower and went to her closet and opened and took out like three different outfs and was like “Wear this!”</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Elman:</strong> That wasn’t even the last LA trip. The last real shoot that Tamara and I went on LA was we terviewed [Ron Goldman’s father] <a href=">Fred Goldman</a> and <a data-offer-url=" class="external-lk" data-event-click="{"element":"ExternalLk","outgogURL":"" href=" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Mark Fuhrman</a>. Fuhrman was reluctant to do the terview and, like a lot of people, was not thrilled at the ia of this beg done—but he also didn’t know who we were. Why would you tst someone wh your sensive feelgs and your past? I found someone who engaged rpectfully, and a tstg manner. I thk the guy serv a lot of cred.</p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-6 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall"><strong>Waterlow:</strong> That’s a ttament to the job Tamara and Ezra did on the terviews. Many people after the terview would say “That’s the smartt terview anybody’s ever done and I’ve talked about this a lot.” Includg Marcia Clark.</p><div class="GenericCalloutWrapper-tojWn ftdwXT llout--has-top-borr" data-ttid="GenericCallout"><asi class="Sibar-pgAgH kJWjjR" data-ttid="SibarEmbed"><blockquote class="BlockquoteEmbedWrapper-sc-SdiGL gzzTVu paywall blockquote-embed"><div class="BlockquoteEmbedContent-RbGs ea-DDJW blockquote-embedntent"><p>I remember jt stg for a whole week jt readg Marcia Clark's book, readg articl, watchg stuff, and not pickg up the phone.</p></div></blockquote><p class="paywall">producer Tamara Rosenberg</p></asi></div><p class="paywall"><strong>Rosenberg:</strong> I remember jt stg for a whole week jt readg her book, readg articl, watchg stuff, and not pickg up the phone. I thk ’s <em>Slouchg Towards Bethlehem</em> where Joan Didn jt ss next to the phone for three hours, starg at . I had the same thg. And by the time I talked to her I was fully prepared. The first 10 mut of the phone ll did not go so well, and I remember that ll where I was like, “Ugh, she’s gonna say ‘no.’” Then we turned a rner. She asked me what I was dog durg the trial and I wasn’t here. [Rosenberg was studyg Israel.] I thk that ma a huge difference. The fact that I wasn’t one of the people who was obssively followg and aware of every sgle flaw and what was gog on wh her hair and wardrobe, that changed somethg. Then she was great. I love Marcia. And she sat for how long? Six hours?</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Elman:</strong> About five hours. She’s pretty fierce. She is so ntrol of who she is and what she experienced.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Rosenberg:</strong> Somebody like [news helipter pilot] <a href=">Zoey Tur</a>, was one of those wonrful moments where archival and stg were workg together bee she was on both our radars for different reasons. Na was lookg at her bee the footage she had shot of the rts and the Bron chase and I had her on my radar as a storyteller. We both pursued her and got this great material.</p><div class="GenericCalloutWrapper-tojWn ftdwXT llout--has-top-borr" data-ttid="GenericCallout"><asi class="Sibar-pgAgH kJWjjR" data-ttid="SibarEmbed"><blockquote class="BlockquoteEmbedWrapper-sc-SdiGL gzzTVu paywall blockquote-embed"><div class="BlockquoteEmbedContent-RbGs ea-DDJW blockquote-embedntent"><p>It felt fe. It’s like lookg at the sun, though, you don’t want to ever look at the big picture.</p></div></blockquote><p class="paywall">edor Bret Granato</p></asi></div><p class="paywall"><strong>Waterlow:</strong> And I loved how unabashed she was about thgs. She’s like “Yeah, I’m a journalist, I’m gog to get the fuckg story.” She reprented that so well, and owned .</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Krstic:</strong> All told, there was about between 500-600 hours of archival footage and then 72 terviews.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Waterlow:</strong> It’s probably 800 hours total, if we’re talkg about terviews and archival footage.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Granato:</strong> It felt fe. It’s like lookg at the sun, though, you don’t want to ever look at the big picture. You tst the procs. My job is to create as pellg a five-mute thg as I n, and then take a step back and see if nnects. But I would’ve melted if I’d actually thought about what we were tryg to do. It’s too much to prehend.</p><div role="headg" aria-level="3" class="paywall headg-h3"></div><div role="headg" aria-level="3" class="paywall headg-h3">January, 2016: That <em>Other</em> Massive O.J. Show</div><p class="paywall"><em>Elman had known about for a while, but January 2016, when he took his forthg doc to a Televisn Crics Associatn event, he had to e face-to-face wh the fact that Ryan Murphy and his FX juggernt were also releasg a massive retellg of Simpson's tale: <em>The People v. O.J. Simpson: Amerin Crime Story</em>. Not only would be based on a book by Jefey Toob, who was one of Elman's sourc, would be g out months before <em>Ma Ameri</em> h theaters or ESPN.</em></p><div class="GenericCalloutWrapper-tojWn ftdwXT llout--has-top-borr" data-ttid="GenericCallout"><asi class="Sibar-pgAgH kJWjjR" data-ttid="SibarEmbed"><blockquote class="BlockquoteEmbedWrapper-sc-SdiGL gzzTVu paywall blockquote-embed"><div class="BlockquoteEmbedContent-RbGs ea-DDJW blockquote-embedntent"><p>When you’re makg this huge thg and you fd out someone else is dog a 10-hour seri nomally about the same thg, you’re like 'What the fuck?'</p></div></blockquote><p class="paywall">director Ezra Elman on <em>The People v. O.J. Simpson</em></p></asi></div><p class="paywall"><strong>Elman:</strong> To be hont, there were ncurrent documentary projects that were beg done that were g a lot more strs than that. Havg said that when you’re makg this huge thg and you fd out someone else is dog a 10-hour seri nomally about the same thg, you’re like “What the fuck?” But you n only worry about so much. I’ll adm to beg personally not thrilled. What are the odds? When we went to the TCAs January to basilly publicly announce the existence of this film three weeks before Sundance, all the journalists the room had already seen the first six episos of the FX seri and they were all tellg how credible was.</p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-7 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall"><strong>Waterlow:</strong> We kept beg like, "I didn’t make that. 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class="bodyner-ntaer"><p class="paywall"><strong>Elman:</strong> My legimate fear was: Here is a 10-hour televisn seri about O.J., about the trial, ’s gog to be on televisn before ours will be out the world, I don’t know that people have that appete to watch another huge thg about O.J. That’s why was important for me for to screen at Sundance, bee that was before was on TV. That way was clear we weren’t draftg off of the succs of that. That ma me feel OK. Frankly, that did—I n now say—absolutely whet the appete and re-engage people wh this story a way that they wanted the non-fictn narrative. It worked.</p><div role="headg" aria-level="3" class="paywall headg-h3">January to May 2016: The End (Sort of)</div><p class="paywall"><strong>Granato:</strong> Ezra and I would stay late nights and work on the film and I don’t thk there was a sgle walk back to the tra that wasn’t about the film and how to make the film better.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Elman:</strong> I didn’t ask about your kid?</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Granato:</strong> Did you know I have a kid? [<em>Lghs</em>] The last night when we locked — didn’t feel like a lock, but was my last night there—we were still talkg about the film. I don’t know that I ever had a moment where I was like “Ah, that’s done!” It is such a livg, breathg creature. It still don’t feel done.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Schell:</strong> Even when we had gotten to picture lock and submted the film to Sundance, and was accepted … Even after screened there, Ezra was obssed wh the fact that was still a temp sre.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Elman:</strong> That was g me a lot of angst. It was a ntual procs. The first few months of this year, I was still workg on the film. We upgrad footage after Sundance, we swapped out the sre. We were workg up until the time was screened theaters the middle of May. We were workg up to the day we had to liver the hard driv [to theaters]. I watched the last two hours of this on Vice the other night, agast my better judgment, and if I uld go to the ed room today there would be some thgs I’d want to do.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Waterlow:</strong> Bee we had the termissns built , there’s three driv for each versn of the film. I remember llg box offic and llg theater managers and beg like “Did you get ?!”</p><div class="GenericCalloutWrapper-tojWn ftdwXT llout--has-top-borr" data-ttid="GenericCallout"><asi class="Sibar-pgAgH kJWjjR" data-ttid="SibarEmbed"><blockquote class="BlockquoteEmbedWrapper-sc-SdiGL gzzTVu paywall blockquote-embed"><div class="BlockquoteEmbedContent-RbGs ea-DDJW blockquote-embedntent"><p>Bee we had the termissns built , there’s three driv for each versn of the film that we had to send. I remember llg box offic and llg theater managers and beg like 'Did you get ?!'</p></div></blockquote><p class="paywall">producer Carole Waterlow</p></asi></div><p class="paywall"><strong>Schell:</strong> This is not a small ask of someone’s time, to have people m to an entire day of havg someone watch somethg. But then to unrstand how engaged they are and the nversatns they want to have afterwards is credible to see.</p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-8 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall"><strong>Elman:</strong> Aga, if we knew what we were dog, we would’ve never started.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Schell:</strong> But to add to that, what’s credible about the media environment we exist right now, is that this n exist as a film, and also on ESPN and via vio-on-mand, and via DVD, and streamg. We n expose lns of people to that story.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Elman:</strong> People don’t necsarily have eight hours and 15 mut to spend a movie theater. I get that. So, we worked really hard to create this thg, and if people watch on their TVs streamg, that’s fe. I’ve never seen on TV. I’ll never watch somethg I’ve done on ESPN wh mercials. Not the prev film I did, not this one. It mak me want to throw up my mouth. I know this should be experienced as this begng-to-end thg, but we have actured liv. 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