MAN ON MAN – ‘Dtroyg Stigmas & Double Standards Agast The Gay Bear Scene’ – Wall Of Sound

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• GAY PRI BRACELETS FOR MEN, PRI JEWELRY STORE. MEN'S GAY PRI BRACELETS, WRISTBANDS, WRISTLETS, BEAR PRI, LEATHER PRI & MORE.
• GAY BEAR - BEAR PRI MERCHANDISE. BEAR PRI JEWELRY, RGS, CLOTH, BEAR PRI FLAGS, BRACELETS, PENDANTS, NECKLAC, CLOTHG, HATS, APPAREL & PRI GEAR.
• GAY BEAR MIC
• MAN ON MAN – ‘DTROYG STIGMAS & DOUBLE STANDARDS AGAST THE GAY BEAR SCENE’
• GAY BEAR MEN'S BEAR CROSSG AND BEAR PAW WEDDG BAND OR BEAR PRI RG. SILVER AND BLACK WH ROSE GOLD. LGBTQ GAY MEN'S RG
• BEAR'S DENSEE ALL THGS TO DO{"@TYPE":"LOLBS","NAME":"BEAR'S DEN","URL":"\","ADDRS":{"@TYPE":"POSTALADDRS","STREETADDRS":"6 E S LOMBARDS","ADDRSLOLY":"PARIS","ADDRSCOUNTRY":"FRANCE","POSTALCO":"75004"},"AGGREGATERATG":{"@TYPE":"AGGREGATERATG","RATGVALUE":"4.0","REVIEWCOUNT":52},"IMAGE":"HTTPS:\U002F\\U002FMEDIA\U002FPHOTO-O\U002F06\U002F90\U002F5B\U002F24\","@NTEXT":"HTTP:\U002F\"}SEE ALL THGS TO DOBEAR'S DEN452 REVIEWS#101 OF 624 NIGHTLIFE PARISBARS & CLUBSREAD MOREVIS WEBSECALLWRE A REVIEWABOUTREAD MORESUGGTED DURATN1-2 HOURSSUGGT EDS TO IMPROVE WHAT WE SHOW.IMPROVE THIS LISTGFULL VIEWALL PHOTOS (7)TOP WAYS TO EXPERIENCE NEARBY ATTRACTNSBEST SELLERSEE RIVER GUID CISE AND SNACKS OPTNS BY VETT PARIS652BOAT TOURSOM $21.95 PER ADULTLIKELY TO SELL OUT*PARIS PARADIS LAT CABARET CHAMPAGNE & SHOW127FOOD & DRKOM $98.76 PER ADULTDISVER MONTMARTRE AND VIS THE BASILI OF SACRé-COR14REMEND100% OF TRAVELERS REMEND THIS EXPERIENCE. THIS NUMBER IS BASED ON THE PERCENTAGE OF ALL TRIPADVISOR REVIEWS FOR THIS PRODUCT THAT HAVE A BUBBLE RATG OF 4 OR HIGHER.HISTORIL TOURSOM $47.73 PER ADULTPUB CRAWL PARIS LAT QUARTER312REMEND97% OF TRAVELERS REMEND THIS EXPERIENCE. THIS NUMBER IS BASED ON THE PERCENTAGE OF ALL TRIPADVISOR REVIEWS FOR THIS PRODUCT THAT HAVE A BUBBLE RATG OF 4 OR HIGHER.SPRG BREAKOM $27.43 PER ADULTLE MARAIS/PARIS - THE HISTORIC, TRENDY, JEWISH, LGBT DISTRICT159REMEND99% OF TRAVELERS REMEND THIS EXPERIENCE. THIS NUMBER IS BASED ON THE PERCENTAGE OF ALL TRIPADVISOR REVIEWS FOR THIS PRODUCT THAT HAVE A BUBBLE RATG OF 4 OR HIGHER.ART TOURSOM $36.21 PER ADULTLIKELY TO SELL OUT*PARIS CRAZY HORSE CABARET SHOW124THEATER SHOWSOM $126.20 PER ADULTPARIS SEE RIVER GOURMET LUNCH CISE WH CHAMPAGNE OPTN91FOOD & DRKOM $78.52 PER ADULTHOW TO BEE A PARISIAN 1 HOUR? THE H COMEDY SHOW 100% ENGLISH PARIS78COMEDY SHOWSOM $26.34 PER ADULTLA NOUVELLE EVE PARIS SHOW74FOOD & DRKOM $108.64 PER ADULTOH MY GOD SHE'S PARISIAN! ENGLISH COMEDY SHOW PARIS59REMEND94% OF TRAVELERS REMEND THIS EXPERIENCE. THIS NUMBER IS BASED ON THE PERCENTAGE OF ALL TRIPADVISOR REVIEWS FOR THIS PRODUCT THAT HAVE A BUBBLE RATG OF 4 OR HIGHER.COMEDY SHOWSOM $30.73 PER ADULTTHE DARKT SECRETS OF PARIS55REMEND96% OF TRAVELERS REMEND THIS EXPERIENCE. THIS NUMBER IS BASED ON THE PERCENTAGE OF ALL TRIPADVISOR REVIEWS FOR THIS PRODUCT THAT HAVE A BUBBLE RATG OF 4 OR HIGHER.HISTORIL TOURSOM $36.21 PER ADULTLIKELY TO SELL OUT*EIFFEL TOWER SKIP THE LE 2ND FLOOR AND SEE RIVER CISE22BOAT TOURSOM $79.95 PER ADULTROMANTIC PARIS: LOST LOVERS MONTMARTRE EXPLORATN GAME78REMEND100% OF TRAVELERS REMEND THIS EXPERIENCE. THIS NUMBER IS BASED ON THE PERCENTAGE OF ALL TRIPADVISOR REVIEWS FOR THIS PRODUCT THAT HAVE A BUBBLE RATG OF 4 OR HIGHER.ARCHECTURE TOURSOM $10.96 PER ADULTPARIS COVERED PASSAG WALKG TOUR34REMEND100% OF TRAVELERS REMEND THIS EXPERIENCE. THIS NUMBER IS BASED ON THE PERCENTAGE OF ALL TRIPADVISOR REVIEWS FOR THIS PRODUCT THAT HAVE A BUBBLE RATG OF 4 OR HIGHER.CY TOURSOM $39.50 PER ADULTPRIVATE MONTMARTRE WALKG TOUR - BT ART, CULTURE, FOOD29REMEND96% OF TRAVELERS REMEND THIS EXPERIENCE. THIS NUMBER IS BASED ON THE PERCENTAGE OF ALL TRIPADVISOR REVIEWS FOR THIS PRODUCT THAT HAVE A BUBBLE RATG OF 4 OR HIGHER.HISTORIL TOURSOM $109.73 PER ADULT (PRICE VARI BY GROUP SIZE)THE AREA ADDRS6 E S LOMBARDS, 75004 PARIS FRANCENEIGHBORHOOD: SAT-MERRIREAD MOREHOW TO GET THERECHâTELET • 3 M WALKHôTEL VILLE • 3 M WALKFULL VIEWBT NEARBYRTRANTS10,000 WH 3 COMPTOIR GOURMET1,0180.2 MI$$ - $$$ • ITALIAN • DG BARS • VEGETARIAN FRIENDLYTATA BURGER1,4700.2 MI$ • AMERIN • VEGETARIAN FRIENDLY • VEGAN OPTNSEATALY PARIS MARAIS2,6580.2 MI$$ - $$$ • ITALIAN • PIZZA • WE BARLE JU'8190.2 MI$$ - $$$ • FRENCH • BAR • EUROPEANOLIVE & THYM - PAR MAN'OUCHé3060.2 MI$ • LEBANE • MEDERRANEAN • CONTEMPORARYLA RERVE DU TERROIR485322 FTFRENCH • DER • WE BAR • DG BARSBAGEL BAGET CAFE255191 FT$$ - $$$ • AMERIN • EUROPEAN • VEGETARIAN FRIENDLYAU VIEUX COMPTOIR8040.2 MI$$ - $$$ • FRENCH • EUROPEAN • VEGETARIAN FRIENDLYMEATG CORNER386125 FT$ • AMERIN • CAFE • DERKRAFT HOT DOGS4570.2 MI$ • QUICK B • AMERIN • FAST FOODSEE ALLATTRACTNS4,205 WH 6 TOUR SAT-JACQU452353 FTPOTS OF INTERT & LANDMARKS • OBSERVATN DECKS & TOWERSESSAN THEATRE166298 FTTHEATERSEGLISE SAT MERRI91228 FTCHURCH & CATHEDRALSFONTAE STRAVSKY221419 FTFOUNTASSQUARE LA TOUR SAT JACQU31412 FTPARKSFRQUE CHUUUTTT !!!7227 FTPOTS OF INTERT & LANDMARKSBAGLOO550.1 MIMONUMENTS & STATUFRQUE "THE FUTURE IS UNWRTEN"3227 FTPOTS OF INTERT & LANDMARKSSTATUE BLAISE PASL6438 FTMONUMENTS & STATUBOBART' - OBJETS ET CURSéS4378 FTPOTS OF INTERT & LANDMARKSSEE ALLCONTRIBUTEWRE A REVIEWUPLOAD A PHOTOREVIEWSQ&AFILTERSENGLISHMOST RECENTDETAILED REVIEWS: REVIEWS ORR RMED BY SCRIPTIVENS OF ER-INTIFIED THEM SUCH AS CLEANLS, ATMOSPHERE, GENERAL TIPS AND LOTN RMATN.4.052 REVIEWSEXCELLENT23VERY GOOD15AVERAGE10POOR1TERRIBLE3EAST-MT164 NTRIBUTNS0COZY NEIGHBORHOOD PLACE!JUL 2023 • COUPLA LOVELY LTLE PLACE THE HEART OF PARIS! THE STAFF WAS IENDLY AND THE SPACE WAS FASCATG (THE BASEMENT GO DOWN TWO FLOORS). THE PATRONS WERE TYPIL BEARS… FUN!READ MOREWRTEN JULY 3, 2023THIS REVIEW IS THE SUBJECTIVE OPN OF A TRIPADVISOR MEMBER AND NOT OF TRIPADVISOR LLC. TRIPADVISOR PERFORMS CHECKS ON REVIEWS AS PART OF OUR DTRY-LEADG TST & SAFETY STANDARDS. READ OUR TRANSPARENCY REPORT TO LEARN MORE.DAVID RNEW YORK CY, NY1 NTRIBUTN0INSULTGDEC 2022 • SOLOTHIS PLACE IS NO LONGER A GAY BAR, MUCH LS A BEAR BAR. DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME OR MONEY. I HOPE THEY GO OUT OF BS SOON.READ MOREWRTEN DECEMBER 1, 2022THIS REVIEW IS THE SUBJECTIVE OPN OF A TRIPADVISOR MEMBER AND NOT OF TRIPADVISOR LLC. TRIPADVISOR PERFORMS CHECKS ON REVIEWS AS PART OF OUR DTRY-LEADG TST & SAFETY STANDARDS. READ OUR TRANSPARENCY REPORT TO LEARN MORE.TERRY DNEW YORK CY, NY325 NTRIBUTNS2SUPER IENDLY, EVEN IF I’M AMERINSEP 2021 • SOLOI TRAVEL A LOT AND ALWAYS VIS LOL GAY CLUBS. I’VE NEVER BEEN TO A IENDLIER PLACE EVER. THE CROWD IS HOT, THE BEER IS LD AND WAS REALLY FUN HANGG OUT THERE. I ALSO MET SOMEONE AND HAD THE BT, QUICKT ROMANCE THAT LASTED THE THREE DAYS I WAS THERE. PARIS AND BEAR’S DEN. A GREAT BO!READ MOREWRTEN SEPTEMBER 6, 2021THIS REVIEW IS THE SUBJECTIVE OPN OF A TRIPADVISOR MEMBER AND NOT OF TRIPADVISOR LLC. TRIPADVISOR PERFORMS CHECKS ON REVIEWS AS PART OF OUR DTRY-LEADG TST & SAFETY STANDARDS. READ OUR TRANSPARENCY REPORT TO LEARN MORE.DOUG W8 NTRIBUTNS3WELG BAR PARISNOV 2019I HAVE BEEN TO MANY BARS, DIV, PARTI AND OTHER TYP OF CLUBS PARIS BUT BEAR'S DEN IS MY FAVORE. THE LOL CROWD SEEMS MORE ACCEPTG OF OBVLY TRAVELERS AND NEW FAC. AT SOME BARS, LIKE AT HOME, THERE IS A SORT OF CLIQUISH ATMOSPHERE. OVER THE YEARS I FOUND THE STAFF AND CLIENTELE TO BE WARM AND IENDLY, AND ENJOYED MY LAST NOVEMBER. I'M THE MATURE CROWD, BUT THERE WERE MEN, REAL MEN, OF ALL AG AND TYP THERE. THE PLACE WAS PACKED EARLY EVENG AND NIGHT.READ MOREWRTEN FEBARY 16, 2020THIS REVIEW IS THE SUBJECTIVE OPN OF A TRIPADVISOR MEMBER AND NOT OF TRIPADVISOR LLC. TRIPADVISOR PERFORMS CHECKS ON REVIEWS AS PART OF OUR DTRY-LEADG TST & SAFETY STANDARDS. READ OUR TRANSPARENCY REPORT TO LEARN MORE.YVAM PCHSY, FRANCE26 NTRIBUTNS3SO, SOAPR 2019I WOULD REMA SEPTILY, ON THIS TYPE OF TABLISHMENT, 'S A BAR ... FOR BEARS (WELL THIS TEGORY), FOR OTHERS IS NECSARY TO HANGGG TO HIS DRK BEE THE HUNGRY AND "VENGEFUL" FEELS GOOD IF YOU ARE NOT THEIR SIZE. WHEN THE SMELL OF CLOAKROOM, YOU MT LOVE, FEELS THAT THE CLASS IS RATHER DIRT. AVOID TIM OF HEAT, THE MIX OF SWEAT AND "JEAN PL GTIER", WILL GIVE YOU BAD FOR AN STUTN SUCH AS THIS ONE, NOT TO GO OUT OF THE GAY SEE WHILE PASSG, ONT, OM THERE TO STOP ...READ MOREWRTEN NOVEMBER 10, 2019THIS REVIEW IS THE SUBJECTIVE OPN OF A TRIPADVISOR MEMBER AND NOT OF TRIPADVISOR LLC. TRIPADVISOR PERFORMS CHECKS ON REVIEWS AS PART OF OUR DTRY-LEADG TST & SAFETY STANDARDS. READ OUR TRANSPARENCY REPORT TO LEARN MORE.JO GPARIS, FRANCE4 NTRIBUTNS2LBIANS DO BEARS APR 2019 • FRIENDSI HAVE WALKED PASSED THIS PLACE A FEW TIM SCE MOVG HERE 5 MONTHS AGO AND LAST NIGHT I WENT . I WAS WH A LBIAN IEND, WE HAD HEARD ABOUT THE KARAOKE AND THOUGHT WE WOULD GIVE A TRY. IT WAS A SEA OF BIG BEARDY MEN! AND WE WERE THE ONLY FEMAL. WHEN I ASKED IF WE WERE ALLOWED , WE WERE GREETED TO A VERY WARM “OF URSE! WELE!” (I’VE NOT HAD SUCH A WELE MY LBIAN BARS SADLY!!) THE NIGHT WAS GREAT! THE GUYS WERE SUPER IENDLY, FUN AND ENTICED TO GET UP AND SG. “I’M SHY!” FELL ON AF EARS. MICROPHONE HAND AND A LOVELY SG ALONG! WE WERE GIVEN DRKS, THE GUYS AND STAFF WERE A SUPER IENDLY AND WE HAD THE MOST UNEXPECTED FUN NIGHT. HIGHLY REMEND THIS PLACE!! IT’S BEEN THE IENDLIT BAR I’VE BEEN TO SCE I MOVED HERE 5 MONTHS AGO. READ MOREWRTEN APRIL 5, 2019THIS REVIEW IS THE SUBJECTIVE OPN OF A TRIPADVISOR MEMBER AND NOT OF TRIPADVISOR LLC. TRIPADVISOR PERFORMS CHECKS ON REVIEWS AS PART OF OUR DTRY-LEADG TST & SAFETY STANDARDS. READ OUR TRANSPARENCY REPORT TO LEARN MORE.TIBERIU CAPUANMADRID, SPA429 NTRIBUTNS1THE IENDLIT BEARS' BAR PARISSEP 2018I'VE ENTERED THE BEARS' DEN FOR THE FIRST TIME JULY 2005 AND 'S BY FAR MY MOST FAVOURE BAR PARIS. FRIENDLY OWNERS AND STAFF... GREAT CROWD. I LOVE . I JT FEEL AT HOME THERE. READ MOREWRTEN OCTOBER 19, 2018THIS REVIEW IS THE SUBJECTIVE OPN OF A TRIPADVISOR MEMBER AND NOT OF TRIPADVISOR LLC. TRIPADVISOR PERFORMS CHECKS ON REVIEWS AS PART OF OUR DTRY-LEADG TST & SAFETY STANDARDS. READ OUR TRANSPARENCY REPORT TO LEARN MORE.BOBKUBUFFALO, NY170 NTRIBUTNS4HAD TWO AWOME EVENGS AT THE BEAR'S DENJUN 2018 • COUPLWE HAD RECEIVED A REMENDATN TO E HER OM A PATRON OF SPUIJKERS AMSTERDAM AND HE SCRIBED THE FUN WE'D HAVE TO A T. LOVED THIS PLACE. GREAT AMBIANCE, SUPER HELPFUL AND IENDLY BARTENRS (PECIALLY PL - I HOPE I HAVE HIS NAME RIGHT) AND VERY IENDLY PATRONS. EVEN WALKG THERE OM OUR VATN RENTAL LE MARAIS WAS FUN - SO MANY PEOPLE ENJOYG THE WARM EVENG THE BETIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD. WE TALKED TO PEOPLE OM ABOUT SIX OR SEVEN DIFFERENT UNTRI (SOMETIM THEIR OWN LANGUAGE! BEARS ARE BEARS WORLDWI SEEMS!) AND REALLY ENJOYED THE PAT AND THE STANDG AREA ACROSS THE STREET. THE BAR IS SMALL, BUT WE WERE ALLOWED AFTER CLOSG HOURS. HIGHLY REMEND FOR THE BEAR CROWD, THOSE LOOKG FOR A IENDLY CHANGE OF SCENE, PEOPLE LOOKG FOR GOOD BEER AND THOSE LOOKG TO MEET SOME OL NEW PEOPLE OM ALL OVER. WISH I WAS THERE THIS WEEKEND!!READ MOREWRTEN SEPTEMBER 16, 2018THIS REVIEW IS THE SUBJECTIVE OPN OF A TRIPADVISOR MEMBER AND NOT OF TRIPADVISOR LLC. TRIPADVISOR PERFORMS CHECKS ON REVIEWS AS PART OF OUR DTRY-LEADG TST & SAFETY STANDARDS. READ OUR TRANSPARENCY REPORT TO LEARN MORE.JONATHANMOTTLONDON, UK2 NTRIBUTNS4BEARS DEN - BAREBACKAUG 2018 • FRIENDSI WAS ONLY WALKG PAST AND I GOT EYE BANGED BY TWO 50 SOMETHG BALD MEN LYCRA. VERY TIMIDATG.READ MOREWRTEN AUGT 26, 2018THIS REVIEW IS THE SUBJECTIVE OPN OF A TRIPADVISOR MEMBER AND NOT OF TRIPADVISOR LLC. TRIPADVISOR PERFORMS CHECKS ON REVIEWS AS PART OF OUR DTRY-LEADG TST & SAFETY STANDARDS. READ OUR TRANSPARENCY REPORT TO LEARN MORE.STT RRICHMOND, VA77 NTRIBUTNS4NICE PLACEJUN 2017 • SOLOI'M AN OLR GUY WHO WAS LOOKG FOR A PLACE WHERE I'D FEEL FORTABLE.PARIS HAS LOTS OF BARS FOR YOUNG TRENDI, BUT NOT SO MANY FOR OLDI, SEEMS.SO I WENT TO THIS PLACE THE MARAIS, AND WAS JT LOVELY!IT'S TY, FOR SURE.THE BAR IS ABOUT THE SIZE OF MY TY ONEBR APARTMENT, SO MOST GUYS DRK ON THE STREET OUTSI.I PHED MY WAY AND TRIED TO ORR A BEER FRENCH ("UNE PRSN, S'IL VO PLA"), AND THANKFULLY THE BARTENRS PICK UP ON BAD ACCENTS AND STILL HELP YOU.LOVE THE BARTENRS THERE. THEY WERE SO NICE TO ME, EVEN WH MY BAD FRENCH.SO KD AND SO SWEET.THE CROWD WASN'T AS IENDLY, BUT I'VE READ THAT PARIS MOST GUYS GO OUT WH OR MEET UP WH IENDS BARS, SO BARS AREN'T REALLY PLAC TO MEET NEW IENDS. OH WELL.STILL, I'D GO AGA SCE THE BARTENRS ARE SO NICE, PECIALLY THE TALL BALD GUY WH BEARD.READ MOREWRTEN JUNE 30, 2017THIS REVIEW IS THE SUBJECTIVE OPN OF A TRIPADVISOR MEMBER AND NOT OF TRIPADVISOR LLC. TRIPADVISOR PERFORMS CHECKS ON REVIEWS AS PART OF OUR DTRY-LEADG TST & SAFETY STANDARDS. 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Bear Paw Jewelry, Bear Rgs, Clothg, Hats, Shirts, Gay Bear Flag and more! COVID-19 has seen a surge quarante mil projects sce lockdown h earlier the year and one act that ught the attentn of the world, spe some unfortunate mistreatment om YouTube, was MAN ON MAN, the gay bear/daddy duo featurg Fah No More‘s Roddy Bottum and his real-life partner Joey Holman.

GAY BEAR MIC

For those not the know, the gay bear scene is dited to hairier, cuddlier dividuals who don’t reprent the mastream gay scene stigma of beg clean cut, pretty and sportg abs for days, but rather a group of happy-go-lucky lads who are fortable our own sk who (until now) barely had reprentatn the mic scene…. Nothg agast them, but ’s a double standards suatn jt bee of the gay ntent I thought.

This project was spawned om COVID isolatn, how did that ial nversatn of “we should make a gay bear mil project while we’re bored” e about?

(Roddy) ‘Gay bear mil project’ was never somethg eher of said. Beg a member of the gay bear/daddy scene (albe, not really a label guy per se), I thk ’s rehg to see an act like MAN ON MAN pictg our culture and showsg gay men as we are: mature, gged and hairy (unlike the stereotypil clean-cut mastream gay scene). We regnise now that what we’re dog is speakg to a facet of gay culture a way that hasn’t been addrsed before.

MAN ON MAN – ‘DTROYG STIGMAS & DOUBLE STANDARDS AGAST THE GAY BEAR SCENE’

It don’t have to reflect the gay scene and hopefully n be streamed/listened to by anyone who turn may dite to their loved one. (Joey) It’s actually 100% gay. There are plenty of love songs wrten and performed by bands or artists who sg about straight love and we uldn’t give a sh if people outsi the gay world want to adopt and make a universal msage.

Love certaly is universal, but gay love is specific, and the world needs to hear about love that exists unr the rabow. “Beg gay the public eye feels polil but to extend that prence to an hont appraisal of my relatnship my work feels somewhat more polil.

GAY BEAR MEN'S BEAR CROSSG AND BEAR PAW WEDDG BAND OR BEAR PRI RG. SILVER AND BLACK WH ROSE GOLD. LGBTQ GAY MEN'S RG

After some years , beme paful to ver up this very big part of my life [beg gay], and MAN ON MAN is a totally different pla that regard. (Joey) I unrstand bee of my size and body hair that I’ll be lumped wh the bear tegory, but I would say the bt part about beg “a bear” is that I am gay, which means I get to be associated wh so many credibly fierce dividuals who are queers, dky, trans, femm… basilly the voic that are changg the world. (Roddy) I’m a big fan of turng younger kids on to different aspects of the gay muny, pecially history and elements of the gay muny that through the years has brought all together as a fay.

Where do you foree MAN ON MAN headg (as a band/advote for gay rights) as you release more mic durg this panmic? As gays, ’s really easy for to dumb ourselv down to satisfy the general public’s stomach for how much gay they n tolerate.

” – Joey Holman says MAN ON MAN is for the gays to be the gays they were born to be! (Roddy) I feel like heavy mic through gay reprentatn is wildly uncelebrated.

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THIS NUMBER IS BASED ON THE PERCENTAGE OF ALL TRIPADVISOR REVIEWS FOR THIS PRODUCT THAT HAVE A BUBBLE RATG OF 4 OR HIGHER.HISTORIL TOURSOM $47.73 PER ADULTPUB CRAWL PARIS LAT QUARTER312REMEND97% OF TRAVELERS REMEND THIS EXPERIENCE. THIS NUMBER IS BASED ON THE PERCENTAGE OF ALL TRIPADVISOR REVIEWS FOR THIS PRODUCT THAT HAVE A BUBBLE RATG OF 4 OR HIGHER.SPRG BREAKOM $27.43 PER ADULTLE MARAIS/PARIS - THE HISTORIC, TRENDY, JEWISH, LGBT DISTRICT159REMEND99% OF TRAVELERS REMEND THIS EXPERIENCE. THIS NUMBER IS BASED ON THE PERCENTAGE OF ALL TRIPADVISOR REVIEWS FOR THIS PRODUCT THAT HAVE A BUBBLE RATG OF 4 OR HIGHER.ART TOURSOM $36.21 PER ADULTLIKELY TO SELL OUT*PARIS CRAZY HORSE CABARET SHOW124THEATER SHOWSOM $126.20 PER ADULTPARIS SEE RIVER GOURMET LUNCH CISE WH CHAMPAGNE OPTN91FOOD & DRKOM $78.52 PER ADULTHOW TO BEE A PARISIAN 1 HOUR? THE H COMEDY SHOW 100% ENGLISH PARIS78COMEDY SHOWSOM $26.34 PER ADULTLA NOUVELLE EVE PARIS SHOW74FOOD & DRKOM $108.64 PER ADULTOH MY GOD SHE'S PARISIAN! ENGLISH COMEDY SHOW PARIS59REMEND94% OF TRAVELERS REMEND THIS EXPERIENCE. THIS NUMBER IS BASED ON THE PERCENTAGE OF ALL TRIPADVISOR REVIEWS FOR THIS PRODUCT THAT HAVE A BUBBLE RATG OF 4 OR HIGHER.COMEDY SHOWSOM $30.73 PER ADULTTHE DARKT SECRETS OF PARIS55REMEND96% OF TRAVELERS REMEND THIS EXPERIENCE. THIS NUMBER IS BASED ON THE PERCENTAGE OF ALL TRIPADVISOR REVIEWS FOR THIS PRODUCT THAT HAVE A BUBBLE RATG OF 4 OR HIGHER.HISTORIL TOURSOM $36.21 PER ADULTLIKELY TO SELL OUT*EIFFEL TOWER SKIP THE LE 2ND FLOOR AND SEE RIVER CISE22BOAT TOURSOM $79.95 PER ADULTROMANTIC PARIS: LOST LOVERS MONTMARTRE EXPLORATN GAME78REMEND100% OF TRAVELERS REMEND THIS EXPERIENCE. THIS NUMBER IS BASED ON THE PERCENTAGE OF ALL TRIPADVISOR REVIEWS FOR THIS PRODUCT THAT HAVE A BUBBLE RATG OF 4 OR HIGHER.ARCHECTURE TOURSOM $10.96 PER ADULTPARIS COVERED PASSAG WALKG TOUR34REMEND100% OF TRAVELERS REMEND THIS EXPERIENCE. THIS NUMBER IS BASED ON THE PERCENTAGE OF ALL TRIPADVISOR REVIEWS FOR THIS PRODUCT THAT HAVE A BUBBLE RATG OF 4 OR HIGHER.CY TOURSOM $39.50 PER ADULTPRIVATE MONTMARTRE WALKG TOUR - BT ART, CULTURE, FOOD29REMEND96% OF TRAVELERS REMEND THIS EXPERIENCE. THIS NUMBER IS BASED ON THE PERCENTAGE OF ALL TRIPADVISOR REVIEWS FOR THIS PRODUCT THAT HAVE A BUBBLE RATG OF 4 OR HIGHER.HISTORIL TOURSOM $109.73 PER ADULT (PRICE VARI BY GROUP SIZE)THE AREA ADDRS6 E S LOMBARDS, 75004 PARIS FRANCENEIGHBORHOOD: SAT-MERRIREAD MOREHOW TO GET THERECHâTELET • 3 M WALKHôTEL VILLE • 3 M WALKFULL VIEWBT NEARBYRTRANTS10,000 WH 3 COMPTOIR GOURMET1,0180.2 MI$$ - $$$ • ITALIAN • DG BARS • VEGETARIAN FRIENDLYTATA BURGER1,4700.2 MI$ • AMERIN • VEGETARIAN FRIENDLY • VEGAN OPTNSEATALY PARIS MARAIS2,6580.2 MI$$ - $$$ • ITALIAN • PIZZA • WE BARLE JU'8190.2 MI$$ - $$$ • FRENCH • BAR • EUROPEANOLIVE & THYM - PAR MAN'OUCHé3060.2 MI$ • LEBANE • MEDERRANEAN • CONTEMPORARYLA RERVE DU TERROIR485322 FTFRENCH • DER • WE BAR • DG BARSBAGEL BAGET CAFE255191 FT$$ - $$$ • AMERIN • EUROPEAN • VEGETARIAN FRIENDLYAU VIEUX COMPTOIR8040.2 MI$$ - $$$ • FRENCH • EUROPEAN • VEGETARIAN FRIENDLYMEATG CORNER386125 FT$ • AMERIN • CAFE • DERKRAFT HOT DOGS4570.2 MI$ • QUICK B • AMERIN • FAST FOODSEE ALLATTRACTNS4,205 WH 6 TOUR SAT-JACQU452353 FTPOTS OF INTERT & LANDMARKS • OBSERVATN DECKS & TOWERSESSAN THEATRE166298 FTTHEATERSEGLISE SAT MERRI91228 FTCHURCH & CATHEDRALSFONTAE STRAVSKY221419 FTFOUNTASSQUARE LA TOUR SAT JACQU31412 FTPARKSFRQUE CHUUUTTT !!!7227 FTPOTS OF INTERT & LANDMARKSBAGLOO550.1 MIMONUMENTS & STATUFRQUE "THE FUTURE IS UNWRTEN"3227 FTPOTS OF INTERT & LANDMARKSSTATUE BLAISE PASL6438 FTMONUMENTS & STATUBOBART' - OBJETS ET CURSéS4378 FTPOTS OF INTERT & LANDMARKSSEE ALLCONTRIBUTEWRE A REVIEWUPLOAD A PHOTOREVIEWSQ&AFILTERSENGLISHMOST RECENTDETAILED REVIEWS: REVIEWS ORR RMED BY SCRIPTIVENS OF ER-INTIFIED THEM SUCH AS CLEANLS, ATMOSPHERE, GENERAL TIPS AND LOTN RMATN.4.052 REVIEWSEXCELLENT23VERY GOOD15AVERAGE10POOR1TERRIBLE3EAST-MT164 NTRIBUTNS0COZY NEIGHBORHOOD PLACE!JUL 2023 • COUPLA LOVELY LTLE PLACE THE HEART OF PARIS! THE STAFF WAS IENDLY AND THE SPACE WAS FASCATG (THE BASEMENT GO DOWN TWO FLOORS). THE PATRONS WERE TYPIL BEARS… FUN!READ MOREWRTEN JULY 3, 2023THIS REVIEW IS THE SUBJECTIVE OPN OF A TRIPADVISOR MEMBER AND NOT OF TRIPADVISOR LLC. TRIPADVISOR PERFORMS CHECKS ON REVIEWS AS PART OF OUR DTRY-LEADG TST & SAFETY STANDARDS. READ OUR TRANSPARENCY REPORT TO LEARN MORE.DAVID RNEW YORK CY, NY1 NTRIBUTN0INSULTGDEC 2022 • SOLOTHIS PLACE IS NO LONGER A GAY BAR, MUCH LS A BEAR BAR. DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME OR MONEY. I HOPE THEY GO OUT OF BS SOON.READ MOREWRTEN DECEMBER 1, 2022THIS REVIEW IS THE SUBJECTIVE OPN OF A TRIPADVISOR MEMBER AND NOT OF TRIPADVISOR LLC. TRIPADVISOR PERFORMS CHECKS ON REVIEWS AS PART OF OUR DTRY-LEADG TST & SAFETY STANDARDS. READ OUR TRANSPARENCY REPORT TO LEARN MORE.TERRY DNEW YORK CY, NY325 NTRIBUTNS2SUPER IENDLY, EVEN IF I’M AMERINSEP 2021 • SOLOI TRAVEL A LOT AND ALWAYS VIS LOL GAY CLUBS. I’VE NEVER BEEN TO A IENDLIER PLACE EVER. THE CROWD IS HOT, THE BEER IS LD AND WAS REALLY FUN HANGG OUT THERE. I ALSO MET SOMEONE AND HAD THE BT, QUICKT ROMANCE THAT LASTED THE THREE DAYS I WAS THERE. PARIS AND BEAR’S DEN. A GREAT BO!READ MOREWRTEN SEPTEMBER 6, 2021THIS REVIEW IS THE SUBJECTIVE OPN OF A TRIPADVISOR MEMBER AND NOT OF TRIPADVISOR LLC. TRIPADVISOR PERFORMS CHECKS ON REVIEWS AS PART OF OUR DTRY-LEADG TST & SAFETY STANDARDS. READ OUR TRANSPARENCY REPORT TO LEARN MORE.DOUG W8 NTRIBUTNS3WELG BAR PARISNOV 2019I HAVE BEEN TO MANY BARS, DIV, PARTI AND OTHER TYP OF CLUBS PARIS BUT BEAR'S DEN IS MY FAVORE. THE LOL CROWD SEEMS MORE ACCEPTG OF OBVLY TRAVELERS AND NEW FAC. AT SOME BARS, LIKE AT HOME, THERE IS A SORT OF CLIQUISH ATMOSPHERE. OVER THE YEARS I FOUND THE STAFF AND CLIENTELE TO BE WARM AND IENDLY, AND ENJOYED MY LAST NOVEMBER. I'M THE MATURE CROWD, BUT THERE WERE MEN, REAL MEN, OF ALL AG AND TYP THERE. THE PLACE WAS PACKED EARLY EVENG AND NIGHT.READ MOREWRTEN FEBARY 16, 2020THIS REVIEW IS THE SUBJECTIVE OPN OF A TRIPADVISOR MEMBER AND NOT OF TRIPADVISOR LLC. TRIPADVISOR PERFORMS CHECKS ON REVIEWS AS PART OF OUR DTRY-LEADG TST & SAFETY STANDARDS. READ OUR TRANSPARENCY REPORT TO LEARN MORE.YVAM PCHSY, FRANCE26 NTRIBUTNS3SO, SOAPR 2019I WOULD REMA SEPTILY, ON THIS TYPE OF TABLISHMENT, 'S A BAR ... FOR BEARS (WELL THIS TEGORY), FOR OTHERS IS NECSARY TO HANGGG TO HIS DRK BEE THE HUNGRY AND "VENGEFUL" FEELS GOOD IF YOU ARE NOT THEIR SIZE. WHEN THE SMELL OF CLOAKROOM, YOU MT LOVE, FEELS THAT THE CLASS IS RATHER DIRT. AVOID TIM OF HEAT, THE MIX OF SWEAT AND "JEAN PL GTIER", WILL GIVE YOU BAD FOR AN STUTN SUCH AS THIS ONE, NOT TO GO OUT OF THE GAY SEE WHILE PASSG, ONT, OM THERE TO STOP ...READ MOREWRTEN NOVEMBER 10, 2019THIS REVIEW IS THE SUBJECTIVE OPN OF A TRIPADVISOR MEMBER AND NOT OF TRIPADVISOR LLC. TRIPADVISOR PERFORMS CHECKS ON REVIEWS AS PART OF OUR DTRY-LEADG TST & SAFETY STANDARDS. READ OUR TRANSPARENCY REPORT TO LEARN MORE.JO GPARIS, FRANCE4 NTRIBUTNS2LBIANS DO BEARS APR 2019 • FRIENDSI HAVE WALKED PASSED THIS PLACE A FEW TIM SCE MOVG HERE 5 MONTHS AGO AND LAST NIGHT I WENT . I WAS WH A LBIAN IEND, WE HAD HEARD ABOUT THE KARAOKE AND THOUGHT WE WOULD GIVE A TRY. IT WAS A SEA OF BIG BEARDY MEN! AND WE WERE THE ONLY FEMAL. WHEN I ASKED IF WE WERE ALLOWED , WE WERE GREETED TO A VERY WARM “OF URSE! WELE!” (I’VE NOT HAD SUCH A WELE MY LBIAN BARS SADLY!!) THE NIGHT WAS GREAT! THE GUYS WERE SUPER IENDLY, FUN AND ENTICED TO GET UP AND SG. “I’M SHY!” FELL ON AF EARS. MICROPHONE HAND AND A LOVELY SG ALONG! WE WERE GIVEN DRKS, THE GUYS AND STAFF WERE A SUPER IENDLY AND WE HAD THE MOST UNEXPECTED FUN NIGHT. HIGHLY REMEND THIS PLACE!! IT’S BEEN THE IENDLIT BAR I’VE BEEN TO SCE I MOVED HERE 5 MONTHS AGO. READ MOREWRTEN APRIL 5, 2019THIS REVIEW IS THE SUBJECTIVE OPN OF A TRIPADVISOR MEMBER AND NOT OF TRIPADVISOR LLC. TRIPADVISOR PERFORMS CHECKS ON REVIEWS AS PART OF OUR DTRY-LEADG TST & SAFETY STANDARDS. READ OUR TRANSPARENCY REPORT TO LEARN MORE.TIBERIU CAPUANMADRID, SPA429 NTRIBUTNS1THE IENDLIT BEARS' BAR PARISSEP 2018I'VE ENTERED THE BEARS' DEN FOR THE FIRST TIME JULY 2005 AND 'S BY FAR MY MOST FAVOURE BAR PARIS. FRIENDLY OWNERS AND STAFF... GREAT CROWD. I LOVE . I JT FEEL AT HOME THERE. READ MOREWRTEN OCTOBER 19, 2018THIS REVIEW IS THE SUBJECTIVE OPN OF A TRIPADVISOR MEMBER AND NOT OF TRIPADVISOR LLC. TRIPADVISOR PERFORMS CHECKS ON REVIEWS AS PART OF OUR DTRY-LEADG TST & SAFETY STANDARDS. READ OUR TRANSPARENCY REPORT TO LEARN MORE.BOBKUBUFFALO, NY170 NTRIBUTNS4HAD TWO AWOME EVENGS AT THE BEAR'S DENJUN 2018 • COUPLWE HAD RECEIVED A REMENDATN TO E HER OM A PATRON OF SPUIJKERS AMSTERDAM AND HE SCRIBED THE FUN WE'D HAVE TO A T. LOVED THIS PLACE. GREAT AMBIANCE, SUPER HELPFUL AND IENDLY BARTENRS (PECIALLY PL - I HOPE I HAVE HIS NAME RIGHT) AND VERY IENDLY PATRONS. EVEN WALKG THERE OM OUR VATN RENTAL LE MARAIS WAS FUN - SO MANY PEOPLE ENJOYG THE WARM EVENG THE BETIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD. WE TALKED TO PEOPLE OM ABOUT SIX OR SEVEN DIFFERENT UNTRI (SOMETIM THEIR OWN LANGUAGE! BEARS ARE BEARS WORLDWI SEEMS!) AND REALLY ENJOYED THE PAT AND THE STANDG AREA ACROSS THE STREET. THE BAR IS SMALL, BUT WE WERE ALLOWED AFTER CLOSG HOURS. HIGHLY REMEND FOR THE BEAR CROWD, THOSE LOOKG FOR A IENDLY CHANGE OF SCENE, PEOPLE LOOKG FOR GOOD BEER AND THOSE LOOKG TO MEET SOME OL NEW PEOPLE OM ALL OVER. WISH I WAS THERE THIS WEEKEND!!READ MOREWRTEN SEPTEMBER 16, 2018THIS REVIEW IS THE SUBJECTIVE OPN OF A TRIPADVISOR MEMBER AND NOT OF TRIPADVISOR LLC. TRIPADVISOR PERFORMS CHECKS ON REVIEWS AS PART OF OUR DTRY-LEADG TST & SAFETY STANDARDS. READ OUR TRANSPARENCY REPORT TO LEARN MORE.JONATHANMOTTLONDON, UK2 NTRIBUTNS4BEARS DEN - BAREBACKAUG 2018 • FRIENDSI WAS ONLY WALKG PAST AND I GOT EYE BANGED BY TWO 50 SOMETHG BALD MEN LYCRA. VERY TIMIDATG.READ MOREWRTEN AUGT 26, 2018THIS REVIEW IS THE SUBJECTIVE OPN OF A TRIPADVISOR MEMBER AND NOT OF TRIPADVISOR LLC. TRIPADVISOR PERFORMS CHECKS ON REVIEWS AS PART OF OUR DTRY-LEADG TST & SAFETY STANDARDS. READ OUR TRANSPARENCY REPORT TO LEARN MORE.STT RRICHMOND, VA77 NTRIBUTNS4NICE PLACEJUN 2017 • SOLOI'M AN OLR GUY WHO WAS LOOKG FOR A PLACE WHERE I'D FEEL FORTABLE.PARIS HAS LOTS OF BARS FOR YOUNG TRENDI, BUT NOT SO MANY FOR OLDI, SEEMS.SO I WENT TO THIS PLACE THE MARAIS, AND WAS JT LOVELY!IT'S TY, FOR SURE.THE BAR IS ABOUT THE SIZE OF MY TY ONEBR APARTMENT, SO MOST GUYS DRK ON THE STREET OUTSI.I PHED MY WAY AND TRIED TO ORR A BEER FRENCH ("UNE PRSN, S'IL VO PLA"), AND THANKFULLY THE BARTENRS PICK UP ON BAD ACCENTS AND STILL HELP YOU.LOVE THE BARTENRS THERE. THEY WERE SO NICE TO ME, EVEN WH MY BAD FRENCH.SO KD AND SO SWEET.THE CROWD WASN'T AS IENDLY, BUT I'VE READ THAT PARIS MOST GUYS GO OUT WH OR MEET UP WH IENDS BARS, SO BARS AREN'T REALLY PLAC TO MEET NEW IENDS. OH WELL.STILL, I'D GO AGA SCE THE BARTENRS ARE SO NICE, PECIALLY THE TALL BALD GUY WH BEARD.READ MOREWRTEN JUNE 30, 2017THIS REVIEW IS THE SUBJECTIVE OPN OF A TRIPADVISOR MEMBER AND NOT OF TRIPADVISOR LLC. TRIPADVISOR PERFORMS CHECKS ON REVIEWS AS PART OF OUR DTRY-LEADG TST & SAFETY STANDARDS. READ OUR TRANSPARENCY REPORT TO LEARN MORE.123SHOWG RULTS 1-10 OF 28NO QUTNS HAVE BEEN ASKED ABOUT THIS EXPERIENCEASK A QUTNALSO POPULAR WH TRAVELERSSEE ALL2023L PET FLèCH121BARS & CLUBS • GAME & ENTERTAMENT CENTERSBASTILLE / OBERKAMPF2023SANMANS NEW EUROPE - PARIS12,732CY TOURS • BAR, CLUB & PUB TOURSQUARTIER LAT2023BAM KARAOKE BOX PARMENTIER524BARS & CLUBS • KARAOKE BARSBASTILLE / OBERKAMPFPALAIS MAILLOT256DANCE CLUBS & DISS2023BAM KARAOKE BOX ETOILE164KARAOKE BARSTERNPARIS BY TT364CY TOURS • BAR, CLUB & PUB TOURSCHAMPS-ÉLYSé2023BAM KARAOKE BOX SENTIER484BARS & CLUBS • KARAOKE BARSOPéRA / BOURSE2023PARIS RIVIERA BAR CRAWL & TOURS409BAR, CLUB & PUB TOURSOPEN NOW • QUARTIER LAT2023BAM KARAOKE BOX MALEE223KARAOKE BARSOPéRA / BOURSE2023BAM KARAOKE BOX RICHER756BARS & CLUBS • KARAOKE BARSOPéRA / BOURSEIS THIS YOUR TRIPADVISOR LISTG?OWN OR MANAGE THIS PROPERTY? CLAIM YOUR LISTG FOR EE TO RPOND TO REVIEWS, UPDATE YOUR PROFILE AND MUCH MORE.CLAIM YOUR LISTGBEAR'S DEN (PARIS) - ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW BEFORE YOU GO (WH PHOTOS)

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