Stranger Thgs season 4 star Fn Wolfhard spoke to Digal Spy about Will's "love" for Mike. But is Will Byers gay? Well, 's plited...
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- STRANGER THGS’ NOAH SCHNAPP CONFIRMS WILL IS “GAY AND DO LOVE MIKE”IN A NEW TERVIEW, THE ACTOR ALSO TEASED A SEASON FIVE G-OUT SCENE AND APOLOGIZED TO DOJA CAT FOR SHARG THEIR DMS.BY SAVANNAH WALSHJULY 15, 2022COURTY OF NETFLIXSAVE THIS STORYSAVESAVE THIS STORYSAVEONE OF THE LGERG QUTNS AT THE CENTER OF STRANGER THGS IS WHETHER WILL’S SEXUALY WILL BE ADDRSED ON THE SERI. VIEWERS (SORT OF) GOT AN ANSWER A PAIR OF EMOTNALLY CHARGED SCEN THE SHOW’S RECENTLY RELEASED FOURTH SEASON—ONE BETWEEN NOAH SCHNAPP’S CHARACTER AND HIS BROTHER JONATHAN (CHARLIE HEATON), AND THE OTHER BETWEEN WILL AND HIS BT IEND MIKE (FN WOLFHARD). WHILE BOTH ALLUD TO WILL’S NER SIR, NFIRMATN ABOUT WHAT THOSE SIR WERE HADN’T BEEN OFFERED UNTIL NOW.“IT WAS ALWAYS KD OF THERE, BUT YOU NEVER REALLY KNEW, IS JT HIM GROWG UP SLOWER THAN HIS IENDS?” SCHNAPP SAID A NEW TERVIEW WH VARIETY. “NOW THAT HE’S GOTTEN OLR, THEY MA A VERY REAL, OBV THG. NOW ’S 100% CLEAR THAT HE IS GAY AND HE DO LOVE MIKE. BUT BEFORE, WAS A SLOW ARC. I THK IS DONE SO BETIFULLY, BEE ’S SO EASY TO MAKE A CHARACTER JT LIKE ALL OF A SUDN BE GAY.”SCHNAPP SAID THAT WILL’S “JEALOY” OVER MIKE’S RELATNSHIP WH ELEVEN (MILLIE BOBBY BROWN) PROPELS HIM TO TEARFULLY SPEAK UP. “SOMETIM WHEN YOU’RE DIFFERENT YOU FEEL LIKE A MISTAKE,” A CHOKED-UP WILL TELLS MIKE, WHO DON’T SEEM TO BE GRASPG THE WEIGHT OF WILL’S WORDS. “THIS SCENE WAS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR HIM, BEE REALLY SOLIDIFIED THAT TTH: THAT HE LOV HIS BT IEND AND HE DON’T KNOW HOW TO TELL HIM,” SCHNAPP SAID OF HIS CHARACTER.IN THE PAST, SCHNAPP HAS DODGED QUTNS ABOUT WILL’S SEXUALY, SAYG ONLY THAT WAS “UP TO THE DIENCE’S TERPRETATN.” THE ACTOR NOW NFIRMS THAT THIS WAS A WAY TO PROTECT THE SHOW’S SEASON FOUR REVEAL. “I MEAN, ’S PRETTY CLEAR THIS SEASON THAT WILL HAS FEELGS FOR MIKE. THEY’VE BEEN TENTNALLY PULLG THAT OUT OVER THE PAST FEW SEASONS,” SCHNAPP TOLD VARIETY. “EVEN SEASON ONE, THEY HTED AT THAT AND SLOWLY, SLOWLY GREW THAT STORYLE. I THK FOR SEASON FOUR, WAS JT ME PLAYG THIS CHARACTER WHO LOV HIS BT IEND BUT STGGL WH KNOWG IF HE’LL BE ACCEPTED OR NOT, AND FEELG LIKE A MISTAKE AND LIKE HE DON’T BELONG. WILL HAS ALWAYS FELT LIKE THAT.”FN WOLFHARD AS MIKE WHEELER AND NOAH SCHNAPP AS WILL BYERS ‘STRANGER THGS.’COURTY OF NETFLIXTHE EMOTNAL TERACTN BETWEEN WILL AND JONATHAN, WHICH THE OLR BROTHER PROMIS THAT “THERE’S ABSOLUTELY NOTHG THIS WORLD THAT ULD CHANGE” THEIR BOND, WAS A KEY LAST-MUTE ADDN. “IT’S ALSO VERY IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO SEE THAT WILL IS NOT ALONE—BEE ALL WE EVER SEE OF HIM IS STGGLG AND FEELG PRSED AND THAT HE N’T BE HIMSELF,” SCHNAPP EXPLAED. “JONATHAN IS TALKG TO HIM —’S JT THE PERFECT WAY TO TELL SOMEONE LIKE WILL THAT HE R ABOUT HIM AND HE ACCEPTS HIM NO MATTER WHAT. I THK WAS REALLY WHOLOME.”AS FOR THE FAL SEASON OF STRANGER THGS, SCHNAPP SAID THAT THE DUFFER BROTHERS ARE PLANNG TO “FOC MORE ON WILL,” AND THAT HE’S HOPG FOR A PROPER “G-OUT SCENE” FOR HIS CHARACTER.IN THE TERVIEW, SCHNAPP ALSO ADDRSED HIS MOR ONLE BEEF WH DOJA CAT, WHICH BEGAN AFTER THE 17-YEAR-OLD ACTOR SHARED PRIVATE MSAG THE RAPPER SENT HIM REGARDG HER ROMANTIC TERT HIS STRANGER THGS STAR JOSEPH QUN. AFTER THE MICIAN TOOK ISSUE WH SCHNAPP’S POSTG THEIR SCREENSHOTS, HE APOLOGIZED ON TIKTOK AND TOLD VARIETY THAT HE WAS “SUPER UNSER ON SOCIAL MEDIA.” SCHNAPP NTUED, “I POSTED THAT NOT THKG TOO MUCH OF , BUT OBVLY HURT HER FEELGS. SO, AS I SHOULD, I APOLOGIZED AND SHE WAS TOTALLY OKAY WH , AND WAS LIKE, ‘I’M SORRY HOW I REACTED.’ IT WAS ALL GOOD. I LOVE HER. I’M LIKE THE BIGGT FAN OF HER MIC, AND I TOLD HER THAT.”MORE GREAT STORI FROM VANY FAIR“IT’S RAG TEENS” AT 20: WHERE ARE THEY NOW?THE BT TV SHOWS OF 2023, SO FARSEX TOYS, FANCIAL CRIM, AND THE ORIG OF BARBIETHAT SOUND YOU HEAR IS DONALD TMP SCREAMG, CRYG, AND THROWG UP A MAR-A-LAGO BATHROOMIVANKA TMP IS NOT LETTG HER DAD’S MOUNTG LEGAL WO RU HER SUMMERINSI THE ACTORS STRIKE PRS APOLYPSE: “THE CELEBRY FACTORY HAS SHUT DOWN”IS ALL THIS AMATR THERAPY-SPEAK JT MAKG US LONELIER?FROM THE ARCHIVE: TOO HEPBURN FOR HOLLYWOOD (2006)MOST POPULARVANY FAIR’S “IT’S RAG TEENS” COVER AT 20: WHERE ARE THEY NOW?BY SAVANNAH WALSHRED, WHE & ROYAL BLUE MAY BE “THE MOST EXPENSIVE B OF FAN FICTN EVER”BY SAVANNAH WALSHHOLLYWOOD ELE RH TO GET PLASTIC SURGERY BEFORE THE STRIKE ENDSBY MARIE LODISAVANNAH WALSH
- STRANGER THGS SEASON 4 EPISO 8 DID WILL ADM HE IS GAY EMOTNAL NVERSAN WH MIKE FLIX
- DO WILL BYERS E OUT AS GAY STRANGER THGS 4? HERE'S WHAT HE SAYS TO MIKE VOLUME 2
- IS WILL BYERS GAY STRANGER THGS? DO HE LIKE MIKE?
- IS WILL OM ‘STRANGER THGS’ GAY?
- IS WILL BYERS GAY? STRANGER THGS CERTALY WANTS YOU TO THK SO
- IS STRANGER THGS' WILL GAY? IT'S PLITED
- ‘STRANGER THGS’ STAR SAYS ‘IT’S 100% CLEAR WILL IS GAY AND HE DO LOVE MIKE’
- ‘STRANGER THGS’ STAR NOAH SCHNAPP: WILL BYERS IS GAY AND LOV THIS FELLOW CHARACTER
- ‘STRANGER THGS’ HAS ALWAYS HAD A GAY CHARACTER: WILL BYERS
- IS WILL BYERS GAY STRANGER THGS 4? NOAH SCHNAPP OPENS UP ABOUT HIS CHARACTER'S SEXUALY
- NOAH SCHNAPP CONFIRMS THAT "STRANGER THGS" CHARACTER WILL BYERS “IS GAY” AND “DO LOVE MIKE”
- DO WILL BYERS E OUT AS GAY STRANGER THGS 4? HERE'S WHAT HE SAYS TO MIKE VOLUME 2
- ‘STRANGER THGS’ STAR NOAH SCHNAPP: WILL BYERS IS GAY AND LOV THIS FELLOW CHARACTER
STRANGER THGS’ NOAH SCHNAPP CONFIRMS WILL IS “GAY AND DO LOVE MIKE”IN A NEW TERVIEW, THE ACTOR ALSO TEASED A SEASON FIVE G-OUT SCENE AND APOLOGIZED TO DOJA CAT FOR SHARG THEIR DMS.BY SAVANNAH WALSHJULY 15, 2022COURTY OF NETFLIXSAVE THIS STORYSAVESAVE THIS STORYSAVEONE OF THE LGERG QUTNS AT THE CENTER OF STRANGER THGS IS WHETHER WILL’S SEXUALY WILL BE ADDRSED ON THE SERI. VIEWERS (SORT OF) GOT AN ANSWER A PAIR OF EMOTNALLY CHARGED SCEN THE SHOW’S RECENTLY RELEASED FOURTH SEASON—ONE BETWEEN NOAH SCHNAPP’S CHARACTER AND HIS BROTHER JONATHAN (CHARLIE HEATON), AND THE OTHER BETWEEN WILL AND HIS BT IEND MIKE (FN WOLFHARD). WHILE BOTH ALLUD TO WILL’S NER SIR, NFIRMATN ABOUT WHAT THOSE SIR WERE HADN’T BEEN OFFERED UNTIL NOW.“IT WAS ALWAYS KD OF THERE, BUT YOU NEVER REALLY KNEW, IS JT HIM GROWG UP SLOWER THAN HIS IENDS?” SCHNAPP SAID A NEW TERVIEW WH VARIETY. “NOW THAT HE’S GOTTEN OLR, THEY MA A VERY REAL, OBV THG. NOW ’S 100% CLEAR THAT HE IS GAY AND HE DO LOVE MIKE. BUT BEFORE, WAS A SLOW ARC. I THK IS DONE SO BETIFULLY, BEE ’S SO EASY TO MAKE A CHARACTER JT LIKE ALL OF A SUDN BE GAY.”SCHNAPP SAID THAT WILL’S “JEALOY” OVER MIKE’S RELATNSHIP WH ELEVEN (MILLIE BOBBY BROWN) PROPELS HIM TO TEARFULLY SPEAK UP. “SOMETIM WHEN YOU’RE DIFFERENT YOU FEEL LIKE A MISTAKE,” A CHOKED-UP WILL TELLS MIKE, WHO DON’T SEEM TO BE GRASPG THE WEIGHT OF WILL’S WORDS. “THIS SCENE WAS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR HIM, BEE REALLY SOLIDIFIED THAT TTH: THAT HE LOV HIS BT IEND AND HE DON’T KNOW HOW TO TELL HIM,” SCHNAPP SAID OF HIS CHARACTER.IN THE PAST, SCHNAPP HAS DODGED QUTNS ABOUT WILL’S SEXUALY, SAYG ONLY THAT WAS “UP TO THE DIENCE’S TERPRETATN.” THE ACTOR NOW NFIRMS THAT THIS WAS A WAY TO PROTECT THE SHOW’S SEASON FOUR REVEAL. “I MEAN, ’S PRETTY CLEAR THIS SEASON THAT WILL HAS FEELGS FOR MIKE. THEY’VE BEEN TENTNALLY PULLG THAT OUT OVER THE PAST FEW SEASONS,” SCHNAPP TOLD VARIETY. “EVEN SEASON ONE, THEY HTED AT THAT AND SLOWLY, SLOWLY GREW THAT STORYLE. I THK FOR SEASON FOUR, WAS JT ME PLAYG THIS CHARACTER WHO LOV HIS BT IEND BUT STGGL WH KNOWG IF HE’LL BE ACCEPTED OR NOT, AND FEELG LIKE A MISTAKE AND LIKE HE DON’T BELONG. WILL HAS ALWAYS FELT LIKE THAT.”FN WOLFHARD AS MIKE WHEELER AND NOAH SCHNAPP AS WILL BYERS ‘STRANGER THGS.’COURTY OF NETFLIXTHE EMOTNAL TERACTN BETWEEN WILL AND JONATHAN, WHICH THE OLR BROTHER PROMIS THAT “THERE’S ABSOLUTELY NOTHG THIS WORLD THAT ULD CHANGE” THEIR BOND, WAS A KEY LAST-MUTE ADDN. “IT’S ALSO VERY IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO SEE THAT WILL IS NOT ALONE—BEE ALL WE EVER SEE OF HIM IS STGGLG AND FEELG PRSED AND THAT HE N’T BE HIMSELF,” SCHNAPP EXPLAED. “JONATHAN IS TALKG TO HIM —’S JT THE PERFECT WAY TO TELL SOMEONE LIKE WILL THAT HE R ABOUT HIM AND HE ACCEPTS HIM NO MATTER WHAT. I THK WAS REALLY WHOLOME.”AS FOR THE FAL SEASON OF STRANGER THGS, SCHNAPP SAID THAT THE DUFFER BROTHERS ARE PLANNG TO “FOC MORE ON WILL,” AND THAT HE’S HOPG FOR A PROPER “G-OUT SCENE” FOR HIS CHARACTER.IN THE TERVIEW, SCHNAPP ALSO ADDRSED HIS MOR ONLE BEEF WH DOJA CAT, WHICH BEGAN AFTER THE 17-YEAR-OLD ACTOR SHARED PRIVATE MSAG THE RAPPER SENT HIM REGARDG HER ROMANTIC TERT HIS STRANGER THGS STAR JOSEPH QUN. AFTER THE MICIAN TOOK ISSUE WH SCHNAPP’S POSTG THEIR SCREENSHOTS, HE APOLOGIZED ON TIKTOK AND TOLD VARIETY THAT HE WAS “SUPER UNSER ON SOCIAL MEDIA.” SCHNAPP NTUED, “I POSTED THAT NOT THKG TOO MUCH OF , BUT OBVLY HURT HER FEELGS. SO, AS I SHOULD, I APOLOGIZED AND SHE WAS TOTALLY OKAY WH , AND WAS LIKE, ‘I’M SORRY HOW I REACTED.’ IT WAS ALL GOOD. I LOVE HER. I’M LIKE THE BIGGT FAN OF HER MIC, AND I TOLD HER THAT.”MORE GREAT STORI FROM VANY FAIR“IT’S RAG TEENS” AT 20: WHERE ARE THEY NOW?THE BT TV SHOWS OF 2023, SO FARSEX TOYS, FANCIAL CRIM, AND THE ORIG OF BARBIETHAT SOUND YOU HEAR IS DONALD TMP SCREAMG, CRYG, AND THROWG UP A MAR-A-LAGO BATHROOMIVANKA TMP IS NOT LETTG HER DAD’S MOUNTG LEGAL WO RU HER SUMMERINSI THE ACTORS STRIKE PRS APOLYPSE: “THE CELEBRY FACTORY HAS SHUT DOWN”IS ALL THIS AMATR THERAPY-SPEAK JT MAKG US LONELIER?FROM THE ARCHIVE: TOO HEPBURN FOR HOLLYWOOD (2006)MOST POPULARVANY FAIR’S “IT’S RAG TEENS” COVER AT 20: WHERE ARE THEY NOW?BY SAVANNAH WALSHRED, WHE & ROYAL BLUE MAY BE “THE MOST EXPENSIVE B OF FAN FICTN EVER”BY SAVANNAH WALSHHOLLYWOOD ELE RH TO GET PLASTIC SURGERY BEFORE THE STRIKE ENDSBY MARIE LODISAVANNAH WALSH
Is Will Byers gay? It's a qutn that's been raised sce Stranger Thgs season 2, and here's everythg season 4 teas about his sexual inty. * does mike turn gay in stranger things *
Now ’s 100% clear that he is gay and he do love Mike. I thk is done so betifully, bee ’s so easy to make a character jt like all of a sudn be gay.
STRANGER THGS SEASON 4 EPISO 8 DID WILL ADM HE IS GAY EMOTNAL NVERSAN WH MIKE FLIX
* does mike turn gay in stranger things *
There have been a lot of talks about Will’s sexualy the ‘Stranger Thgs’ universe and Season 4 ma everyone believe that he is gay and is actually love wh Mike. He lled himself “different” which nfirms (partially) that talks about his sexualy were te and he is GAY. Stranger Thgs fans have long believed that our sweet prce Will Byers is gay and love wh his bt iend Mike Wheeler.
DO WILL BYERS E OUT AS GAY STRANGER THGS 4? HERE'S WHAT HE SAYS TO MIKE VOLUME 2
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Is Will Byers gay Stranger Thgs? Do Will Byers e out as gay Stranger Thgs 4?
IS WILL BYERS GAY STRANGER THGS? DO HE LIKE MIKE?
While Will don't technilly e out as gay or queer Stranger Thgs 4 Volume 2, there are two scen that sentially nfirm that he is romantilly love wh episo 8, Mike and Will are the backseat of the pizza van while Jonathan is drivg and Mike is worried that Eleven isn't gog to want him anymore bee he's jt "some random nerd that got lucky". “It’s a w for the gays”. ’s a w for the gays.
A third wrote: “Stranger thgs havg an official gay character mak me so happy fally some good f**kg reprentatn! “Will Byers really ptur the gay teen experience, ” one Twter er claims.
If that has ma you wonr whether Will is gay, here is what you need to know.
IS WILL OM ‘STRANGER THGS’ GAY?
He even seems to take a poted jab at the possibily that Will is gay. ALL POSTSPROOF MIKE IS GAY/BITHIS IS FROM AN OFFICIAL ST BOOK.
IS WILL BYERS GAY? STRANGER THGS CERTALY WANTS YOU TO THK SO
Also this is sayg he’s bi, not gay.
Jt thought I would pot that out:)@Archerdu ik which is why I did gay/bi... I said uld be real but the Duffer Brothers/directors and wrers said that the people who ma the books are different people and they will not be g that rmatn the I uld be wrong so idkThe repli fightg for their liv agast the bi alligatnsI 100% spect Mike is gay and is g El as a "blanket" sce society, at the time, was not kd to gay people.
) Mike also has ternalized homophobia. So is Will gay? Image via Netflix While has not yet been officially nfirmed Will is ed gay, there’s been a lot of subtle nos the first seven episos of season four that suggt he might be and has a csh on his straight btie Mike.
IS STRANGER THGS' WILL GAY? IT'S PLITED
Is will’s only storyle this season lerally jt beg gay?
If Will do end up beg gay season four, Schnapp’s character won’t be the first queer reprentatn we’ve had on the h Netflix show. Sops Ahoy server Rob (Maya Hawke) me out to Steve (Joe Keery) as gay at the end of season three. “Throughout filmg, we started to feel like she and (Steve) shouldn’t get together, and that’s she’s gay.
‘STRANGER THGS’ STAR SAYS ‘IT’S 100% CLEAR WILL IS GAY AND HE DO LOVE MIKE’
Is Will Byers gay?
Update: Stranger Thgs Season 4 Fally Confirmed Whether Will Byers Is Gay, click to fd out the answer... One of the biggt qutns Stranger Thgs ntu season 4 is, is Will Byers gay? In season 3, Rob told Steve (well, he had to figure out himself) that she's gay; was a terrific moment for both characters, and 's a story that plays out greater tail season 4.
Now season 4 ntu that le of thought, nudgg viewers along to ask themselv, is Will Byers gay? How Stranger Thgs Teased Will Byers Beg Gay.
‘STRANGER THGS’ STAR NOAH SCHNAPP: WILL BYERS IS GAY AND LOV THIS FELLOW CHARACTER
Mike is Will's bt iend, so 's possible he knew somethg that viewers didn't, but the scene plays out specifilly a way to imply that Will Byers is gay. Clu Will Byers Is Gay In Stranger Thgs Season 4.
So far Stranger Thgs season 4, there have been addnal clu to Will Byers beg gay, but they've e om another character other than Will aga, save for one scene. He saw himself Will as a (then closeted) gay geek.
‘STRANGER THGS’ HAS ALWAYS HAD A GAY CHARACTER: WILL BYERS
“Okay okay okay–the show don’t e out and explicly addrs , and the scene I’m talkg about may have left some viewers scratchg their heads, but to a gay like me, a gay who was 100% Will Byers when he was 14, I’ve picked up on all of the signs.
They’re billboards, ” Brett wrote before expertly pickg apart each and every thread that Stranger Thgs had woven to the taptry of Will’s potentially gay inty. As happens, Stranger Thgs Season 4 seems to not only nfirm that Will is gay, but that he also has a very real csh on his long-time bt iend Mike Wheeler (Fn Wolfhard). The msagg is so loud even I, a straight woman, n now pick up on them, sayg to myself, “Oh, that poor ltle gay boy has a csh on his very straight bt iend!
Will is gay and love wh Mike, who is straight and love wh El. Season 4, however, is remdg that the ’80s were a homophobic time.
IS WILL BYERS GAY STRANGER THGS 4? NOAH SCHNAPP OPENS UP ABOUT HIS CHARACTER'S SEXUALY
NetflixWhen an early trailer for season four dropped, eagle-eyed fans noticed that Will was dog a school project on Alan Turg, the English mathematician who was chemilly strated for beg gay the 1950s. So far, so gay, and now that season four is actually here, there are plenty more hts that fans were right when they dubbed him Will Bi-ers. A classic gay move, we're sure you'll agree, but there are also hts that Will might have done this bee his heart actually belongs to another girl — Eleven.
NOAH SCHNAPP CONFIRMS THAT "STRANGER THGS" CHARACTER WILL BYERS “IS GAY” AND “DO LOVE MIKE”
"Will, beg the msy gay he is might be, mak Mike's drama all about himself, and what we prume are his feelgs for Mike. "NetflixSounds sort of gay to , even if is a teensy b vague still.
Not only do Stranger Thgs – and the st – like to dance around the specifics of his inty, also seems as though Will's potential love for Mike won't end on a happy 's extremely relatable for teen gays to fall love wh their bt iend, Will's love for Mike, if is romantic, will go nowhere fast. Stranger Thgs season 4 do not lerally have Will e out and say he’s gay, g those words, but over the urse of a season, we see him flch when a girl flirts wh him, we hear him pour out his feelgs for Mike actg like ’s jt how Eleven feels about him, and then has a nversatn wh his brother that is kd of him almost g out, but aga, not explicly. Noah Schnapp is lettg the world know that his “Stranger Thgs” character, Will Byers, is gay.
Now ’s 100% clear that he is gay and he do love Mike, ” he said Variety’s latt story. I love that moment, tly, but there was another moment earlier the season that ronated eply wh my gay self bee nfirmed that the show has not fotten a key (at least key to me) aspect of one character: Will Byers is also gay. Okay okay okay–the show don’t e out and explicly addrs , and the scene I’m talkg about may have left some viewers scratchg their heads, but to a gay like me, a gay who was 100% Will Byers when he was 14, I’ve picked up on all of the signs.
DO WILL BYERS E OUT AS GAY STRANGER THGS 4? HERE'S WHAT HE SAYS TO MIKE VOLUME 2
Flyg around wh all the other ltle fairi, all happy and gay! The creators didn’t fet about , and if they’re tellg a slow build story of what ’s like to be a gay kid, they’re gettg all the beats down season by season. I was also picked on for beg too sensive and beg, well, gay.
Md you, the bulli of Smyrna Middle knew I was gay almost a before I did, so ’s not like Will the Stranger Thgs character is necsarily clued to this jt yet. It’s how played out my teenage years, too, when my iends would fend me agast people llg me gay and immediately follow wh “also I don’t thk you’re gay.
‘STRANGER THGS’ STAR NOAH SCHNAPP: WILL BYERS IS GAY AND LOV THIS FELLOW CHARACTER
It’s also entirely possible that he’s not gay, or intifi wh a different orientatn entirely or no orientatn at all.