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Each stalment shows talent workg on both sis of the mera, cludg queer creativ and alli to the muny.</strong><br /></p><p data-no-id="1" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>Next up, we're speakg to <em>The Other Two</em> -creator Chris Kelly.</strong></p><style data-emotn="css ligahs">{width:100%;}@media(m-width: 20rem){{marg-left:to;marg-right:to;width:100%;}}@media(m-width: 30rem){{marg-left:to;marg-right:to;width:100%;}}@media(m-width: 40.625rem){{width:50%;marg-left:1rem;marg-right:0rem;float:right;}}@media(m-width: 48rem){{width:50%;marg-left:1rem;marg-right:0rem;float:right;}}@media(m-width: 64rem){{width:50%;marg-left:1rem;marg-right:0rem;float:right;}}@media(m-width: 73.75rem){{width:45%;marg-left:1rem;marg-right:lc(-30% - 1rem);float:right;}}@media(m-width: 75rem){{width:45%;marg-left:1rem;marg-right:lc(-30% - 1rem);float:right;}}@media(m-width: 90rem){{width:45%;marg-left:1rem;marg-right:lc(-30% - 1rem);float:right;}}</style><div data-embed="loop" data-no-id="2" class="css-ligahs e1a0jkxd0"><style data-emotn="css 1e3dj7m">{display:-webk-box;display:-webk-flex;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-webk-flex-directn:row-reverse;-ms-flex-directn:row-reverse;flex-directn:row-reverse;-webk-align-ems:flex-end;-webk-box-align:flex-end;-ms-flex-align:flex-end;align-ems:flex-end;posn:relative;width:100%;marg-bottom:0.9375rem;width:100%;} {visibily:hidn;opacy:0;-webk-transn:visibily 0s .3s,opacy .3s lear;transn:visibily 0s .3s,opacy .3s lear;}</style><div class="align-right size-medium embed e1a0jkxd1 css-1e3dj7m ejku7p04"><style data-emotn="css 5mi43p">{marg-bottom:0.9375rem;--aspect-rat:100%;width:100%;}</style><div class="__rp-ntaer css-5mi43p e6l0f0"><img src=" alt="Image no longer available" tle="Image no longer available" width="100%" height="to" dg="async" fetchPrry="high" /></div></div></div><p data-no-id="3" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">There's a wonrful irony to how <em>The Other Two</em> pok fun at the vacuo si of pop culture, bee the show self is masterful at imbug the most farcil ias wh genue pathos. </p><p data-no-id="4" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">Take season two's 'butthole episo', if you will. What starts out as Cary accintally exposg his starfish ends up beg a hilar but also poignant exploratn of ternalised homophobia and the challenge of acceptg yourself for who you are.</p><p data-no-id="5" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">No other TV show n make a butthole so meangful, and that's jt one gapg reason why <em>The Other Two </em>serv to sweep the Emmys next year. 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Given how topil the show n be, is there anythg you would have wrten slightly different now hdsight?</strong> </p><p data-no-id="9" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">It was very strsful to open up the scripts aga after a full year off and look at them and the jok – we were like: "Are they gog to feel creaky or irrelevant?" But then once we took a ep breath, we were like: "No, this exists a different realy. COVID isn't a part of this show. That's okay. We really like this. We still thk 's funny." </p><p data-no-id="10" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">I thk I, personally, bee I’m so hard on myself… Certa storyl and certa jok, I thk would have felt a ltle her a year-and-a-half ago. You know what I mean? </p><div supprsHydratnWarng data-no-id="11" data-embed="pullquote" class="embed css-0 e9hzx6g0"><style data-emotn="css 16ddmmp">{text-align:center;marg:0rem;paddg-top:0.9375rem;paddg-bottom:0.9375rem;} span::before{background-lor:#E5ADAE;lor:#000;width:5rem;}</style><blockquote class="css-16ddmmp e1pe3zr91"><style data-emotn="css 1ljy70d">{background-lor:#000000;lor:#fff;ntent:'';display:le-block;height:0.25rem;posn:relative;-webk-transn:width .2s ease--out,background .2s ease--out;transn:width .2s ease--out,background .2s ease--out;width:3rem;}</style><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-1ljy70d eagam8p0"></span><style data-emotn="css zggbc2">{font-fay:Montserrat,Helveti,Arial,Sans-serif;font-size:1.625rem;font-weight:900;le-height:1.2;marg:0rem;}@media(max-width: 64rem){{font-size:1.75rem;le-height:1.1;}}@media(m-width: 48rem){{font-size:2.25rem;le-height:1.2;}}@media(m-width: 64rem){{font-size:2.25rem;le-height:1.2;}} b, strong{font-fay:her;font-weight:bold;} em, i{font-fay:her;font-style:alic;}</style><blockquote class="css-zggbc2 e1pe3zr90">"We want all the antics, all the stupidy, and all the sills to be service of somethg."</blockquote><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-1ljy70d eagam8p1"></span></blockquote></div><p data-no-id="12" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">But no. It's all okay. And bee we always tried to remd ourselv that the show is full of pop culture jok, but that's not what 's about ultimately. It's still a show about a fay. If one joke is a ltle ne months olr than I wish was, 's okay, bee that's not what the show's about. </p><p data-no-id="13" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>What personal experienc do you put to the wrg? Do you see yourself any of the characters particularly?</strong></p><p data-no-id="14" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">I mean, Cary for sure. You know, almost anythg that happens on the show is eher somethg that happened to myself or Sarah or one of our wrers, or 's somethg that didn't happen to but is based on an anxiety we felt, or an secury we've had. </p><p data-no-id="15" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">Defely Cary, and grapplg wh his sexualy. It's kd of ripped om the headl of my life and maybe some of the wrers our wrers' room. So those storyl are meangful to me. That's been the bt part; if people rpond to certa moments, like when people are rpondg to the episo where Cary and his boyiend accintally show another gay uple around the town, thkg they're a father and a son.</p><div size="medium" data-embed="body-image" data-no-id="16" class="align-center size-medium embed css-1736von e1xqj1sx4"><div class="css-uwraif e1xqj1sx3"><img alt="helene yorke, drew tarver, the other two season 2" tle="Helene Yorke, Drew Tarver, The Other Two season 2" loadg="lazy" width="1584" height="1057" dg="async" data-nimg="1" style="lor: transparent; width: 100%; height: to;" siz="100vw" srcSet=" 640w, 980w, 1120w, 1200w, 1920w" src="" class="css-0 exi4f7p0" /><div class="css-swqnqv e1xqj1sx2"><figptn class="css-1am3yn9 enfs9c50"><span class="css-1vw9sfv e6iqd2">Greg Endri</span><style data-emotn="css gyg9qo">{paddg:0 0.3rem;paddg-right:0.3125rem;font-fay:Montserrat,Helveti,Arial,Sans-serif;font-size:0.75rem;le-height:1;} a{lor:#000000;-webk-text-ratn:unrle;text-ratn:unrle;}</style><span class="css-gyg9qo e6iqd0">//</span><span class="css-1vw9sfv e6iqd1">HBO</span></figptn></div></div></div><p data-no-id="17" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">I really like that storyle. It's really madp and stupid. But I also really love the way ends, and feels personal to me. So, yeah, that's a thg that I've appreciated that has ronated wh people. </p><p data-no-id="18" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>One arc that really ronated was Cary's ternalised homophobia and how that velops across both seasons. That's somethg you wouldn't normally see what's sentially a edy show. </strong></p><p data-no-id="19" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">It is a edy, and we never want our show to get too preachy, or be a edy that's like: "Actually, now we're a drama." We want to be funny all the way through. But we do start each episo by talkg about as drama. We want all the antics, all the stupidy and all the sills to be service of somethg, even if 's as simple as beg like: "I'm actually lonely."</p><p data-no-id="20" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">We always talk about landg the plane. We like gog to stupid heights, and explorg genre and beg silly. But we want to land the plane, and have each episo be about somethg. </p><div supprsHydratnWarng data-no-id="21" data-embed="pullquote" class="embed css-0 e9hzx6g0"><blockquote class="css-16ddmmp e1pe3zr91"><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-1ljy70d eagam8p0"></span><blockquote class="css-zggbc2 e1pe3zr90">"We’ve joked that Brooke is a edy and Cary is a sad, gay drama."</blockquote><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-1ljy70d eagam8p1"></span></blockquote></div><p data-no-id="22" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">When we first meet Cary season one, he's madly love wh his straight roommate, and he's not really puttg himself out there. It's bee he's a ltle unfortable his own sk.</p><p data-no-id="23" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">There was an episo season one where somebody says: "Oh, when I first met you, I didn't know you were gay." He's like, "Oh, thank you. I mean, uh…"</p><p data-no-id="24" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">So you n kd of see that he still thks that "gay" is bad, or ls than, or somethg to apologise for.</p><p data-no-id="25" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">Anyway, so season two, we really wanted him to be better, and to be makg stris. We wanted him to shed that kd of sh, like I've gone through where you learn… But we wanted to see that there are still trac of there, to see the character fall to old patterns but then also always tryg to improve.</p><style data-emotn="css 10klw3m">{height:100%;}</style><div data-embed="stagram" class="embed align-center css-10klw3m ez8lbhw1"><style data-emotn="css 63r9na">{-webk-align-ems:center;-webk-box-align:center;-ms-flex-align:center;align-ems:center;display:-webk-box;display:-webk-flex;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-webk-box-pack:center;-ms-flex-pack:center;-webk-jtify-ntent:center;jtify-ntent:center;m-height:10rem;background-lor:#F5F5F5;lor:#000;-webk-flex-directn:lumn;-ms-flex-directn:lumn;flex-directn:lumn;height:100%;marg-bottom:0.9375rem;}</style><div class="css-63r9na ez8lbhw0"><style data-emotn="css 1msakm2">{width:3.125rem;height:3.125rem;}</style><img data-dynamic-svg src="/_assets/sign-tokens/e/static/ins/social/;id=lk-out-embed" loadg="lazy" alt="stagram in" height="to" width="to" class="css-1msakm2 ez8lbhw2" /><a target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener" href=" aria-label="View full post on Instagram" class="css-0 e1c1bym14">View full post on Instagram</a></div></div><p data-no-id="27" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>That's important, bee so many of the storyl are eher drenched shame and self-loathg, or they're pletely posive and self-acceptg. There's ltle -between.</strong></p><p data-no-id="28" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">That's sort of what episo two is when he's showg around the uple that he thks is a father and son. It's still another maniftatn of that: "I am gay. I'm not ashamed anymore. I want you to see that beg gay is okay." But then 's also a very safe, PG versn that mummy and daddy uld swallow.</p><p data-no-id="29" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">There's still so many ways that self-hatred accintally pops up. Endls edy! [<em>lghs</em>] We've joked that Brooke is a edy, Cary is a sad, gay drama [<em>lghs</em>].</p><p data-no-id="30" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>Like that black-and-whe scene on the bridge when he's jt wrg "gay" his notebook.</strong></p><p data-no-id="31" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">[<em>lghs</em>] Drew [Tarver] always jok about that on the ll sheet, Heléne [York] is always a mansn or at the beach or at a party, and Drew's always an alley, or his unrwear cryg or masturbatg alone.</p><div size="medium" data-embed="body-image" data-no-id="32" class="align-center size-medium embed css-1736von e1xqj1sx4"><div class="css-uwraif e1xqj1sx3"><img alt="drew tarver, se walker, helene yorke, the other two season 2" tle="Drew Tarver, Case Walker, Helene Yorke, The Other Two season 2" loadg="lazy" width="1584" height="1057" dg="async" data-nimg="1" style="lor: transparent; width: 100%; height: to;" siz="100vw" srcSet=" 640w, 980w, 1120w, 1200w, 1920w" src="" class="css-0 exi4f7p0" /><div class="css-swqnqv e1xqj1sx2"><figptn class="css-1am3yn9 enfs9c50"><span class="css-1vw9sfv e6iqd1">HBO</span></figptn></div></div></div><p data-no-id="33" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>Speakg of that, somethg else we really appreciate about this show is how gay sex is rporated very anilly and treated jt the same as any straight sex scene. We don't really see that edi very much still. What do that mean to you to clu those scen?</strong></p><p data-no-id="34" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">I gus my answer is that I don't thk about . It's a privilege to not have to thk about that. I'm not the wrers' room beg like: "Well, will someone say no?" And I'm also not like: "Let's show this. Let's ph the envelope, baby."</p><p data-no-id="35" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">In the wrers' room, we're jt pchg stori om our liv. We're jt pchg thgs that feel real to . So wh the gay sex scen or the straight sex scen — or anythg. If 's an ia that works, and mak sense for the story, we put there, and we're not worried that anyone's gog to note or anythg. </p><p data-no-id="36" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">I gus 's sad that I feel very lucky that that's the se. That should be normal. But yeah, I don't really give a bunch of thought. Which I thk and of self is ol.</p><div size="medium" data-embed="body-image" data-no-id="37" class="align-center size-medium embed css-1736von e1xqj1sx4"><div class="css-uwraif e1xqj1sx3"><img alt="chris kelly" tle="Chris Kelly" loadg="lazy" width="2646" height="3970" dg="async" data-nimg="1" style="lor: transparent; width: 100%; height: to;" siz="100vw" srcSet=" 640w, 980w, 1120w, 1200w, 1920w" src="" class="css-0 exi4f7p0" /><div class="css-swqnqv e1xqj1sx2"><figptn class="css-1am3yn9 enfs9c50"><span class="css-1vw9sfv e6iqd2">Tasos Katopodis</span><span class="css-gyg9qo e6iqd0">//</span><span class="css-1vw9sfv e6iqd1">Getty Imag</span></figptn></div></div></div><p data-no-id="38" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>That, of urse, leads to the butthole episo—</strong> </p><p data-no-id="39" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">When we wrote that episo, I never thought that for several days a row, at eight the morng, I'd be wakg up and beg like: "Y, the butthole episo." [<em>lghs</em>]</p><p data-no-id="40" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>It's already a classic. So we need to know, where did that ia e om?</strong> </p><p data-no-id="41" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">I don't really remember exactly how me up, other than that we really wanted Cary's reer succs to kd of dovetail and ci wh him owng his sexualy more. We talked about that om the very begng of the show, that one of the reasons we thk the character of Cary isn't as succsful, whatever that even means, or as far along his reer, is bee he don't know who he is.</p><p data-no-id="42" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">So if you don't know who you are, how uld anyone else know who you are? Whereas his younger brother, Chase, is jt sort of like: "Here I am. I'm nfint. I'm fortable my own sk."</p><div supprsHydratnWarng data-no-id="43" data-embed="pullquote" class="embed css-0 e9hzx6g0"><blockquote class="css-16ddmmp e1pe3zr91"><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-1ljy70d eagam8p0"></span><blockquote class="css-zggbc2 e1pe3zr90">"We really wanted Cary's reer succs to ci wh him owng his sexualy more."</blockquote><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-1ljy70d eagam8p1"></span></blockquote></div><p data-no-id="44" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">Even his mom, Pat, beme famo for beg very vulnerable about the fact that she was a grievg widow and she wore her heart on her sleeve. The members of his fay that are succeedg are succeedg bee they're like: "Here I am. I know who I am. This is what I have to offer."</p><p data-no-id="45" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">Cary's always been secure and worried about how people see him, and he don't want to be too gay, but he's been so his head. And so we really liked the ia that as he got more and more nfint wh his sexualy, that would pay off for him. We felt a very good, stupid versn of that would be if his actual butthole got him a movie.</p><p data-no-id="46" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">I've seen people be like: "God, I've never heard the word 'hole' so much an episo of TV." Which is so funny bee we've worked on for so long that I don't even hear anymore. It's very vulgar, jt to be like: "My hole." [<em>lghs</em>] But 's really bee a word that's not graphic to me bee I was edg for so long that I fet that 's shockg. </p><p data-no-id="47" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>Another season two highlight was that fal argument by Pat's bedsi the fale. That scene feels so pivotal to the show as a whole, so n you talk me through a b more?</strong> </p><p data-no-id="48" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">That was very fun to shoot and was very fun to wre, specifilly bee we knew the actors that we were wrg for and we knew that would be so good. It was like gettg to watch a five-person play.</p><div size="medium" data-embed="body-image" data-no-id="49" class="align-center size-medium embed css-1736von e1xqj1sx4"><div class="css-uwraif e1xqj1sx3"><img alt="drew tarver, ken maro, the other two season 2" tle="Drew Tarver, Ken Maro, The Other Two season 2" loadg="lazy" width="1584" height="1057" dg="async" data-nimg="1" style="lor: transparent; width: 100%; height: to;" siz="100vw" srcSet=" 640w, 980w, 1120w, 1200w, 1920w" src="" class="css-0 exi4f7p0" /><div class="css-swqnqv e1xqj1sx2"><figptn class="css-1am3yn9 enfs9c50"><span class="css-1vw9sfv e6iqd1">HBO</span></figptn></div></div></div><p data-no-id="50" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">When we pched the show, was like: "This is <em>The Other Two</em>. So you only get to see Chase and Pat and Streeter if they're wh Brooke or Cary. You never really have a scene where Chase and Pat are hangg out. It's always om the pot of view of <em>The Other Two</em>.”</p><p data-no-id="51" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">So was nice to flip the script and be wh Pat more and be wh Chase more and not see how Cary thks they're feelg but to actually see how they're feelg. </p><p data-no-id="52" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>And then there's that fal scene where we see everyone has gone on the fay holiday except Cary. Can you tease how that will impact thgs movg forward season three?</strong> </p><p data-no-id="53" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">I'm not even beg y, I jt tly do not know [<em>lghs</em>]. We don't know at all. We kd of like leavg open-end. We like that at the end of the season, they had a choice to make, and we thk they each ma the right choice – that Brooke should have gone and been wh her fay and that Cary… don't mean that he's thkg: "F**k my fay. I choose fame over fay." But I thk he's like: "This is my time, and I want to do this, and I thk that's okay."</p><div supprsHydratnWarng data-no-id="54" data-embed="pullquote" class="embed css-0 e9hzx6g0"><blockquote class="css-16ddmmp e1pe3zr91"><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-1ljy70d eagam8p0"></span><blockquote class="css-zggbc2 e1pe3zr90">"At the end of the season, they had a choice to make, and we thk they each ma the right one."</blockquote><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-1ljy70d eagam8p1"></span></blockquote></div><p data-no-id="55" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">We want to leave a ltle more open-end. Last season, we teed up so much stuff. Pat and Streeter are datg. Chase is gog to llege. Pat has a talk show. Which was a fun challenge, but was a lot for day one of season two beg like: "OK, what did we say we were gog to do? How do we do all this?" So this giv more optns. But we tly have no ia. </p><p data-no-id="56" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>What do you hope fans take away om watchg <em>The Other Two</em>?</strong></p><p data-no-id="57" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">Sometim we would ask qutns like: "How will the show end?" Or the ia of: "Will Cary get his big movie, and then the show’s over the fale?" or somethg like that?</p><p data-no-id="58" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">There's this ia that the show is buildg to somethg. There's this sense that the fale of the show, Chase will have a big eback rerd and Brooke will be the top manager and Cary will w an Amy Award and that's how the show ends. But that's not real. You know what I mean?</p><p data-no-id="59" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">One of the thgs we explored this season that we thk is tertg and that we felt our own liv is… there is no endg. I always say "succs" quot, bee our characters are searchg for this ia of "succs" and there is no end goal. You're not like: "And now I'm succsful and now I'm happy and now I'm done and now I am no longer stgglg wh my sexualy and now I am fully ntent."</p><div data-embed="stagram" class="embed align-center css-10klw3m ez8lbhw1"><div class="css-63r9na ez8lbhw0"><img data-dynamic-svg src="/_assets/sign-tokens/e/static/ins/social/;id=lk-out-embed" loadg="lazy" alt="stagram in" height="to" width="to" class="css-1msakm2 ez8lbhw2" /><a target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener" href=" aria-label="View full post on Instagram" class="css-0 e1c1bym14">View full post on Instagram</a></div></div><p data-no-id="61" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">That's the thg we liked about this show. It's this ia of chasg somethg outsi or chasg somethg ont of you, as opposed to learng how to fd the balance and the happs of wherever you are. </p><p data-no-id="62" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>There's that moment season two when Curtis tells Cary: "You’ve ma ." And he says: "Have I? I didn't even realise." He's lookg around and he's like: "Oh, I actually have ma progrs."</strong></p><p data-no-id="63" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">It's all perspective. He's lookg at Chase like: "Oh my God, I wish I had his life." And then his iend Curtis is lookg at Cary like: "J, look at him." There's always someone better and more succsful or richer, dog better than you. If you want to pare yourself to someone, there's no shortage of optns. So I thk that's a thg that our show is really terted explorg. </p><p data-no-id="64" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong><em>The Other Two</em> season 1 is available to watch on All 4. 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