Advice on how to nont ageism the gay muny spe earlier loss and how to avoid beg alone.
Contents:
- HOW TO COPE WHEN YOU'RE GAY AND LONELY
- GAY, MIDDLE-AGED, AND LONELY AS HELL
- I'M GAY, LONELY, REALLY PRSED AND ANX ALL THE TIME, HELP? ZOLOFT?
- DEPRSN IS KILLG GAY MEN
- WHERE ARE ALL THE LONELY GAY MEN?
- A GAY MAN AT MIDLIFE PONRS BEG LONELY AND ‘INVISIBLE’
- EQUAL RIGHTSTHE LONELY ISLANDTRACK 3 ON POPSTAR: NEVER STOP NEVER STOPPG FEATURGP!NKPRODUCED BYNI, SOFLY & 1 MORETHIS IS CONNOR4REAL’S BIG SGLE NOUNCG ALL THE DISCRIMATN THAT MEMBERS OF THE LGBT MUNY RECEIVE. ALL THE WHILE HOWEVER, HE WANTS TO RERCE THAT HE IS NOT… READ MORE JUN. 3, 20161 VIEWER65.3K VIEWS35 CONTRIBUTORSEQUAL RIGHTS LYRICS[INTRO: CONNER4REAL]DISCRIMATNIT A'T RIGHT[VERSE 1: CONNER4REAL]I'M NOT GAY, BUT IF I WAS, I WOULD WANT EQUAL RIGHTSI'M NOT GAY, BUT IF I WERE, I WOULD MARRY WHO I LIKEIT'S NOT FAIR (I'M NOT GAY) THAT THE ERNMENT HAS A SAYIN WHO N LOVE WHO (NOT GAY)OR TO WHICH GOD YOU N PRAY (I'M N'GAY)IT GETS ME SO ANGRY, ON BEHALF OF THEM, I FEEL PASSNATE (NOT GAY)SO I'LL PRAY FOR THEM AND I SAY FOR THEM"WE NEED TO MAKE A CHANGE" (NOT GAY)I SEE CLEAR AS DAYTHIS AREA IS NOT GREY (TTI)WE NEED EQUALY AND FOR ALL TO SEETHAT THIS IS THE NEW WAY (NOT GAY)IT JT SEEMS (NOT GAY) WRONG (NOT GAY)THAT NO ONE SEEMS TO RE (SPORTS)WE N'T NTUE TO PRETENDTHIS (NOT GAY) MADNS HAS TO END (NOT GAY)[CHOS: P!NK & CONNER4REAL]I WAS BORN THIS WAY (STRAIGHT)YOU WERE BORN YOUR WAY (GAY)GAY OR STRAIGHT, STRAIGHT OR GAY, 'S ALL OKAY (SURE)IT'S TIME TO MAKE A CHANGE (Y)IT'S TIME TO STOP THE HATE (UH)'CSE WHO YOU ARE IS BETIFUL (NOT GAY)YOU MIGHT ALSO LIKE[VERSE 2: CONNER4REAL]WE N'T LIVE THIS WAY (N'GAY)WE N'T TURN AWAY (N'GAY)SO I MAKE THIS VOW (TTI)THE TIME FOR CHANGE IS NOW (SPORTS)LYG BED NEXT TO TEN BETIFUL GIRLS (ALL STRAIGHT)AND WHILE I MA LOVE TO EVERY ONE OF THEMI WAS THKG ABOUT THE WORLD (HOT WGS)HOW IS THAT I N HAVE SO MUCH STRAIGHT SEXWHILE TWO DUS ARE OPPRSED? (NOT GAY)FOR HAVG SEX (NOT GAY)OR PUTTG ON A WEDDG DRS (I ASSUME)I DON'T REALLY KNOW THAT MUCH ABOUT (BEEF JERKY TAST GOOD)POLICS ARE IMPORTANTAND IF GIRLS WANNA HAVE SEX WH ME 'E I SAID THIS, SO BE (N'GAY)I'M NOT A HERO, I'M JT SPEAKG THE TTHI'M NOT A HERO, DON'T LL ME A HERO(BEER, HOAGIE, SWEAT PANTS, NOT GAY)YEAH, NOT A HERO (TTI, NOT GAY)WHOO![CHOS: P!NK & CONNER4REAL]I'M NOT A HERO (I'M JT A PERSON)SO DON'T LL ME A HERO (NOT SOME KD OF WORLD LEAR)I JT WANT EQUAL RIGHTS (YEAH)AND TO SLEEP AT NIGHT (YEAH)NEXT TO A GIRL[VERSE 3: CONNER4REAL]TE LOVE TMPS ALL (PREDATOR)(FLYG KICKS, NOT GAY, BIG WATCH)(NOT GAY, MISSNARY) ONE LOVE(GYM SOCKS, NUNCHUCK AND NOT GAY)(LIGHTER FLUID, HD, NJA) WORLD PEACE(4-WHEEL DRIVE) GAY MARRIAGE (LOVE BEAV)FREE LOVE (GOLF CLUBS)TWO GUYS (NOT GAY)RABOW (MUFF DIVE)HARVEY MILK/SEAN PENN (NOT GAY)(DM SOLO, URTSI SEATS) SAFE SEX(ONE-ARMED PH UPS) LYNYRD SKYNYRDI'M NOT GAY, I'M NOT GAYI'M NOT, NOT, NOT, NOT, N-N-N-NOT GAYI'M NOT GAY[CHOS: P!NK & CONNER4REAL]I WAS BORN THIS WAY (I'M STRAIGHT)YOU WERE BORN YOUR WAY (YOU'RE GAY)GAY OR STRAIGHT, STRAIGHT OR GAY, 'S ALL OKAY(AND NOW 'S TIME FOR SEXUAL EEDOM FOR ALL)IT'S TIME TO MAKE A CHANGE (SEXUAL EEDOM FOR ALL)IT'S TIME TO STOP THE HATE (SEXUAL EEDOM FOR ALL)'CSE WHO YOU ARE IS BETIFUL (SEXUAL EEDOM FOR ALL)NOT GAY1EMBEDCANCELHOW TO FORMAT LYRICS:TYPE OUT ALL LYRICS, EVEN REPEATG SONG PARTS LIKE THE CHOSLYRICS SHOULD BE BROKEN DOWN TO DIVIDUAL LUSE SECTN HEARS ABOVE DIFFERENT SONG PARTS LIKE [VERSE], [CHOS], ETC.USE ALICS (<I>LYRIC</I>) AND BOLD (<B>LYRIC</B>) TO DISTGUISH BETWEEN DIFFERENT VOLISTS THE SAME SONG PARTIF YOU DON’T UNRSTAND A LYRIC, E [?]TO LEARN MORE, CHECK OUT OUR TRANSCRIPTN GUI OR VIS OUR TRANSCRIBERS FOMABOUTGENI ANNOTATN1 NTRIBUTORTHIS IS CONNOR4REAL’S BIG SGLE NOUNCG ALL THE DISCRIMATN THAT MEMBERS OF THE LGBT MUNY RECEIVE. ALL THE WHILE HOWEVER, HE WANTS TO RERCE THAT HE IS NOT GAY.EXPAND +17SHAREASK A QUTN ABOUT THIS SONGASK A QUTN *WHO PRODUCED “EQUAL RIGHTS” BY THE LONELY ISLAND?WHEN DID THE LONELY ISLAND RELEASE “EQUAL RIGHTS”?WHO WROTE “EQUAL RIGHTS” BY THE LONELY ISLAND?POPSTAR: NEVER STOP NEVER STOPPG (2016)THE LONELY ISLAND1. I’M SO HUMBLE2. HOT NEW SGLE (DIALOGUE)3. EQUAL RIGHTS4. TURN UP THE BEEF5. FT GIRL (B LAN SONG)6. MONA LISA7. ARE OR AREN’T? (DIALOGUE)8. HUNTER THE HUNGRY IS GON’ EAT9. SHOULD I MOVE?10. 2 BANDOS11. THGS MY JEEP12. KILL THIS MIC (DIALOGUE)13. ASHLEY WEDNDAY14. FUCK OFF15. DONKEY ROLL16. TRIP TO SPA (DIALOGUE)17. IBHA18. OWEN’S SONG19. WHAT WAS THAT BEAT? (DIALOGUE)20. SICK GLENDA21. INCREDIBLE THOUGHTS22. ME LIKEY DAT23. LEGALIZE IT24. I’M A WEIRDO25. KARATE GUY26. ROCK ROLL SKATE27. HEY YA HO28. MAXIMCREDSFEATURGP!NKPRODUCED BYNI, SOFLY & YOAN CHIRCUWRTEN BYSOFLY, NI, YOAN CHIRCU, JORMA TACNE, AKIVA SCHAFFER & ANDY SAMBERGVOLSP!NK & ANDY SAMBERGRELEASE DATEJUNE 3, 2016TAGSRAPPOPSOUNDTRACKCOMEDYEXPAND COMMENTSADD A MENTSIGN UP AND DROP KNOWLEDGE ?GENI IS THE ULTIMATE SOURCE OF MIC KNOWLEDGE, CREATED BY SCHOLARS LIKE YOU WHO SHARE FACTS AND SIGHT ABOUT THE SONGS AND ARTISTS THEY LOVE.SIGN UPGENI IS THE WORLD’S BIGGT LLECTN OF SONG LYRICS AND MIL KNOWLEDGE
- 17 SIGNS YOU'RE ACTUALLY GAY (AND JT DON'T KNOW IT)
- SO GAY = OLD AND LONELY?
HOW TO COPE WHEN YOU'RE GAY AND LONELY
Gay men experience more prsn and suici, but help is available. * i m gay and lonely *
Part of realizg you're gay, or bi, or trans, or non-bary, or anythg other than cisgenr and heterosexual is acceptg you’re different—and somewhat separated—om the majory.
At the time, there were no real gay role mols except for Graham Norton and Jack om Dawson's Creek—and I certaly didn't intify wh him bee I wasn't a football player.
However, I am highlightg this fact bee I know is easier to make change when we acknowledge paful 's start by reviewg some of the rearch on gay people. Amic journals n be credibly borg so let me give you the brief highlights:Rearch shows: Gay men have fewer close iends than straight people or gay women.
GAY, MIDDLE-AGED, AND LONELY AS HELL
If male lonels is a morn epimic, where are all the lonely gay men? * i m gay and lonely *
Like, for example, when we are 10 or 11 years old and velop a csh on our male gym you fally do e out as an adult and fd other gay men, you may notice that that the gay bar scene or the gay datg app experience isn't always so warm, iendly, and acceptg.
That's a further recipe for lonels and men do not show up at my office sayg "I feel bad about myself bee I have been margalized as gay person growg up my fay and muny.
I'M GAY, LONELY, REALLY PRSED AND ANX ALL THE TIME, HELP? ZOLOFT?
* i m gay and lonely *
Validatg this fairly universal experience of growg up gay is an important first step the healg Path om LonelsSo what do we do about gay adult lonels?
There's a lot we n 's the very bt tip to overe gay lonels once you ci you are ready to tackle this challenge:I want to ask you to jo a gay group that meets once per week. BLUM, MFT, is a licensed psychotherapist and the founr of the Gay Therapy Center, which specializ relatnship and self-teem issu for LGBTQ people.
Still, even as we celebrate the sle and speed of this change, the rat of prsn, lonels and substance abe the gay muny rema stuck the same place they’ve been for s. In a survey of gay men who recently arrived New York Cy, three-quarters suffered om anxiety or prsn, abed dgs or alhol or were havg risky sex—or some batn of the three.
DEPRSN IS KILLG GAY MEN
“Marriage equaly and the chang legal stat were an improvement for some gay men, ” says Christopher Stults, a rearcher at New York Universy who studi the differenc mental health between gay and straight men. In the Netherlands, where gay marriage has been legal sce 2001, gay men rema three tim more likely to suffer om a mood disorr than straight men, and 10 tim more likely to engage “suicidal self-harm. TTravis Salway, a rearcher wh the BC Centre for Disease Control Vanuver, has spent the last five years tryg to figure out why gay men keep killg themselv.
By the late 2000s, he was a social worker and epimlogist and, like me, was stck by the growg distance between his straight and gay iends. When the dispary first me to light the ’50s and ’60s, doctors thought was a symptom of homosexualy self, jt one of many maniftatns of what was, at the time, known as “sexual versn.
“That was the ia I had, too, ” Salway says, “that gay suici was a product of a bygone era, or was ncentrated among adolcents who didn’t see any other way out. He found that gay men everywhere, at every age, have higher rat of rdvascular disease, ncer, ntence, erectile dysfunctn, allergi and asthma—you name , we got .
WHERE ARE ALL THE LONELY GAY MEN?
“We see gay men who have never been sexually or physilly asslted wh siar post-trmatic strs symptoms to people who have been bat suatns or who have been raped, ” says Alex Kroghlian, a psychiatrist at the Fenway Instute’s Center for Populatn Rearch LGBT Health.
And I kept nyg was a problem bee I had always told myself, ‘I’ve e out, I moved to San Francis, I’m done, I did what I had to do as a gay person.
For s, this is what psychologists thought, too: that the key stag inty formatn for gay men all led up to g out, that once we were fally fortable wh ourselv, we uld beg buildg a life wh a muny of people who’d gone through the same thg. “It’s like you emerge om the closet expectg to be this butterfly and the gay muny jt slaps the ialism out of you, ” Adam says. It got so bad that I ed to go to the grocery store that was 40 mut away stead of the one that was 10 mut away jt bee I was so aaid to walk down the gay street.
A GAY MAN AT MIDLIFE PONRS BEG LONELY AND ‘INVISIBLE’
Several studi have found that livg gay neighborhoods predicts higher rat of risky sex and meth e and ls time spent on other muny activi like volunteerg or playg sports.
Acrdg to Dane Whicker, a clil psychologist and rearcher at De, most gay men report that they want to date someone mascule, and that they wished they acted more mascule themselv. A two-year longudal study found that the longer gay men were out of the closet, the more likely they were to bee versatile or tops. Rearchers say this kd of trag, liberately tryg to appear more mascule and takg on a different sex role, is jt one of the ways gay men prsure each other to atta “sexual pal, ” the equivalent of gog to the gym or pluckg our eyebrows.
So, his sophomore year, he started watchg his male teachers for their flt posns, liberately standg wh his feet wi, his arms at his sis. In the last 10 years, tradnal gay spac—bars, nightclubs, bathho—have begun to disappear, and have been replaced by social media. Usually when you hear about the shockg primacy of hookup apps gay life—Grdr, the most popular, says s average er spends 90 mut per day on —’s some panicked media story about murrers or homophob trawlg them for victims, or about the troublg “chemsex” scen that have spng up London and New York.
EQUAL RIGHTSTHE LONELY ISLANDTRACK 3 ON POPSTAR: NEVER STOP NEVER STOPPG FEATURGP!NKPRODUCED BYNI, SOFLY & 1 MORETHIS IS CONNOR4REAL’S BIG SGLE NOUNCG ALL THE DISCRIMATN THAT MEMBERS OF THE LGBT MUNY RECEIVE. ALL THE WHILE HOWEVER, HE WANTS TO RERCE THAT HE IS NOT… READ MORE JUN. 3, 20161 VIEWER65.3K VIEWS35 CONTRIBUTORSEQUAL RIGHTS LYRICS[INTRO: CONNER4REAL]DISCRIMATNIT A'T RIGHT[VERSE 1: CONNER4REAL]I'M NOT GAY, BUT IF I WAS, I WOULD WANT EQUAL RIGHTSI'M NOT GAY, BUT IF I WERE, I WOULD MARRY WHO I LIKEIT'S NOT FAIR (I'M NOT GAY) THAT THE ERNMENT HAS A SAYIN WHO N LOVE WHO (NOT GAY)OR TO WHICH GOD YOU N PRAY (I'M N'GAY)IT GETS ME SO ANGRY, ON BEHALF OF THEM, I FEEL PASSNATE (NOT GAY)SO I'LL PRAY FOR THEM AND I SAY FOR THEM"WE NEED TO MAKE A CHANGE" (NOT GAY)I SEE CLEAR AS DAYTHIS AREA IS NOT GREY (TTI)WE NEED EQUALY AND FOR ALL TO SEETHAT THIS IS THE NEW WAY (NOT GAY)IT JT SEEMS (NOT GAY) WRONG (NOT GAY)THAT NO ONE SEEMS TO RE (SPORTS)WE N'T NTUE TO PRETENDTHIS (NOT GAY) MADNS HAS TO END (NOT GAY)[CHOS: P!NK & CONNER4REAL]I WAS BORN THIS WAY (STRAIGHT)YOU WERE BORN YOUR WAY (GAY)GAY OR STRAIGHT, STRAIGHT OR GAY, 'S ALL OKAY (SURE)IT'S TIME TO MAKE A CHANGE (Y)IT'S TIME TO STOP THE HATE (UH)'CSE WHO YOU ARE IS BETIFUL (NOT GAY)YOU MIGHT ALSO LIKE[VERSE 2: CONNER4REAL]WE N'T LIVE THIS WAY (N'GAY)WE N'T TURN AWAY (N'GAY)SO I MAKE THIS VOW (TTI)THE TIME FOR CHANGE IS NOW (SPORTS)LYG BED NEXT TO TEN BETIFUL GIRLS (ALL STRAIGHT)AND WHILE I MA LOVE TO EVERY ONE OF THEMI WAS THKG ABOUT THE WORLD (HOT WGS)HOW IS THAT I N HAVE SO MUCH STRAIGHT SEXWHILE TWO DUS ARE OPPRSED? (NOT GAY)FOR HAVG SEX (NOT GAY)OR PUTTG ON A WEDDG DRS (I ASSUME)I DON'T REALLY KNOW THAT MUCH ABOUT (BEEF JERKY TAST GOOD)POLICS ARE IMPORTANTAND IF GIRLS WANNA HAVE SEX WH ME 'E I SAID THIS, SO BE (N'GAY)I'M NOT A HERO, I'M JT SPEAKG THE TTHI'M NOT A HERO, DON'T LL ME A HERO(BEER, HOAGIE, SWEAT PANTS, NOT GAY)YEAH, NOT A HERO (TTI, NOT GAY)WHOO![CHOS: P!NK & CONNER4REAL]I'M NOT A HERO (I'M JT A PERSON)SO DON'T LL ME A HERO (NOT SOME KD OF WORLD LEAR)I JT WANT EQUAL RIGHTS (YEAH)AND TO SLEEP AT NIGHT (YEAH)NEXT TO A GIRL[VERSE 3: CONNER4REAL]TE LOVE TMPS ALL (PREDATOR)(FLYG KICKS, NOT GAY, BIG WATCH)(NOT GAY, MISSNARY) ONE LOVE(GYM SOCKS, NUNCHUCK AND NOT GAY)(LIGHTER FLUID, HD, NJA) WORLD PEACE(4-WHEEL DRIVE) GAY MARRIAGE (LOVE BEAV)FREE LOVE (GOLF CLUBS)TWO GUYS (NOT GAY)RABOW (MUFF DIVE)HARVEY MILK/SEAN PENN (NOT GAY)(DM SOLO, URTSI SEATS) SAFE SEX(ONE-ARMED PH UPS) LYNYRD SKYNYRDI'M NOT GAY, I'M NOT GAYI'M NOT, NOT, NOT, NOT, N-N-N-NOT GAYI'M NOT GAY[CHOS: P!NK & CONNER4REAL]I WAS BORN THIS WAY (I'M STRAIGHT)YOU WERE BORN YOUR WAY (YOU'RE GAY)GAY OR STRAIGHT, STRAIGHT OR GAY, 'S ALL OKAY(AND NOW 'S TIME FOR SEXUAL EEDOM FOR ALL)IT'S TIME TO MAKE A CHANGE (SEXUAL EEDOM FOR ALL)IT'S TIME TO STOP THE HATE (SEXUAL EEDOM FOR ALL)'CSE WHO YOU ARE IS BETIFUL (SEXUAL EEDOM FOR ALL)NOT GAY1EMBEDCANCELHOW TO FORMAT LYRICS:TYPE OUT ALL LYRICS, EVEN REPEATG SONG PARTS LIKE THE CHOSLYRICS SHOULD BE BROKEN DOWN TO DIVIDUAL LUSE SECTN HEARS ABOVE DIFFERENT SONG PARTS LIKE [VERSE], [CHOS], ETC.USE ALICS (<I>LYRIC</I>) AND BOLD (<B>LYRIC</B>) TO DISTGUISH BETWEEN DIFFERENT VOLISTS THE SAME SONG PARTIF YOU DON’T UNRSTAND A LYRIC, E [?]TO LEARN MORE, CHECK OUT OUR TRANSCRIPTN GUI OR VIS OUR TRANSCRIBERS FOMABOUTGENI ANNOTATN1 NTRIBUTORTHIS IS CONNOR4REAL’S BIG SGLE NOUNCG ALL THE DISCRIMATN THAT MEMBERS OF THE LGBT MUNY RECEIVE. ALL THE WHILE HOWEVER, HE WANTS TO RERCE THAT HE IS NOT GAY.EXPAND +17SHAREASK A QUTN ABOUT THIS SONGASK A QUTN *WHO PRODUCED “EQUAL RIGHTS” BY THE LONELY ISLAND?WHEN DID THE LONELY ISLAND RELEASE “EQUAL RIGHTS”?WHO WROTE “EQUAL RIGHTS” BY THE LONELY ISLAND?POPSTAR: NEVER STOP NEVER STOPPG (2016)THE LONELY ISLAND1. I’M SO HUMBLE2. HOT NEW SGLE (DIALOGUE)3. EQUAL RIGHTS4. TURN UP THE BEEF5. FT GIRL (B LAN SONG)6. MONA LISA7. ARE OR AREN’T? (DIALOGUE)8. HUNTER THE HUNGRY IS GON’ EAT9. SHOULD I MOVE?10. 2 BANDOS11. THGS MY JEEP12. KILL THIS MIC (DIALOGUE)13. ASHLEY WEDNDAY14. FUCK OFF15. DONKEY ROLL16. TRIP TO SPA (DIALOGUE)17. IBHA18. OWEN’S SONG19. WHAT WAS THAT BEAT? (DIALOGUE)20. SICK GLENDA21. INCREDIBLE THOUGHTS22. ME LIKEY DAT23. LEGALIZE IT24. I’M A WEIRDO25. KARATE GUY26. ROCK ROLL SKATE27. HEY YA HO28. MAXIMCREDSFEATURGP!NKPRODUCED BYNI, SOFLY & YOAN CHIRCUWRTEN BYSOFLY, NI, YOAN CHIRCU, JORMA TACNE, AKIVA SCHAFFER & ANDY SAMBERGVOLSP!NK & ANDY SAMBERGRELEASE DATEJUNE 3, 2016TAGSRAPPOPSOUNDTRACKCOMEDYEXPAND COMMENTSADD A MENTSIGN UP AND DROP KNOWLEDGE ?GENI IS THE ULTIMATE SOURCE OF MIC KNOWLEDGE, CREATED BY SCHOLARS LIKE YOU WHO SHARE FACTS AND SIGHT ABOUT THE SONGS AND ARTISTS THEY LOVE.SIGN UPGENI IS THE WORLD’S BIGGT LLECTN OF SONG LYRICS AND MIL KNOWLEDGE
But the real effect of the apps is quieter, ls remarked-upon and, a way, more profound: For many of , they have bee the primary way we teract wh other gay people.
The worst thg about the apps, though, and why they’re relevant to the health dispary between gay and straight men, is not jt that we e them a lot. In terviews that Elr, the post-trmatic strs rearcher, nducted wh gay men 2015, he found that 90 percent said they wanted a partner who was tall, young, whe, mcular and mascule. Walt Ots, a psychologist who’s been wrg about social isolatn sce the 1980s, says that gay men ed to be troubled by the bathho the same way they are troubled by Grdr now.
The gay men I terviewed talked about the datg apps the same way straight people talk about Comst: It sucks, but what are you gonna do? “We often live our liv through the ey of others, ” says Alan Downs, a psychologist and the thor of The Velvet Rage, a book about gay men’s stggle wh shame and social validatn.
17 SIGNS YOU'RE ACTUALLY GAY (AND JT DON'T KNOW IT)
PPerry Halkis, a profsor at NYU, has been studyg the health gap between gay people and straight people sce the early ’90s. He has published four books on gay culture and has terviewed men dyg of HIV, reverg om party dgs and stgglg to plan their own weddgs.
SO GAY = OLD AND LONELY?
One of the most strikg studi I found scribed the spike anxiety and prsn among gay men 2004 and 2005, the years when 14 stat passed nstutnal amendments fg marriage as beg between a man and a woman. Gay men those stat showed a 37 percent crease mood disorrs, a 42 percent crease alholism and a 248 percent crease generalized anxiety disorr.
Now square that wh the fact that our untry recently elected a bright orange Demogon whose admistratn is publicly, eagerly attemptg to reverse every sgle ga the gay muny has ma the last 20 years.