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She wrote and rerd the theme song for <em>Orange Is the New Black.</em> She played an elaborate weeklong rincy a Broadway theater, wh gut stars cludg <strong>L-Manuel Miranda</strong> and <strong>Amanda Palmer.</strong> Oh, and she gave birth to her send child.</p><p>Yet somehow has been six years sce the release of Spektor’s prev stud album, <em>Remember Us to Life,</em> a gap that ends June 24 wh the arrival of the magnificent <em>Home, before and after.</em> She will then head out on a tour that clus eight dat wh <strong>Norah Jon</strong> and one night at Carnegie Hall. First, though, Spektor spoke wh <em>Vany Fair</em> about why she wr about love and loss, “the ltle thgs life.”</p><p class="paywall"><em><strong>Vany Fair:</strong></em> <strong>You’ve ma a terrific album.</strong></p><div class="AdWrapper-dQtivb fZrssQ ad ad---ntent"><div class="ad__slot ad__slot---ntent" data-no-id="vfasma"></div></div><p class="paywall"><em>Rega Spektor:</em> Well, thank you for listeng to . You work on somethg and you’re so si of , and then afterwards, I ually tend to have this kd of plummetg feelg, like, are the even songs?</p><div class="Contaer-bkChBi byNLHx"></div><p class="paywall"><strong>Your songs are always sonilly rich, but on the new album your e of an orchtra adds a new dimensn, a lhns that’s sometim dark, sometim danceable. Was that the goal?</strong></p><p class="paywall">There are toys you n play wh a stud to make thgs sound very atmospheric, very vibey. And I love to listen to . But the words that I’m tryg to say, they’re so important to me. Whenever I feel like I’m peerg at the words through a veil I’m, like, sufferg. The thg I was really tryg to do is not have the orchtra sound like movie mic, but still be lh.</p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-1 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall"><strong>Artists have all sorts of methods to generate spiratn or heighten the emotnal level of their material. But gettg pregnant orr to rerd, that’s a remarkable level of mment.</strong></p><p class="paywall">Could you image? I would never have any rerds, if that’s what took. The songs were all wrten before, most of them. But I had never experienced rerdg while pregnant. And that was really a trip. Usually, ially, when I play you’re jt a state of gettg lost, of jt beg. Now you go to draw a breath and there’s somebody stg on your lungs. But was also kd of nice, bee I work as a loner a lot of ways. It’s been a real learng experience for me to even work wh producers bee I like to do everythg myself. And here I was never alone. It was really wonrful bee there were always surpris, pecially the later months: Oh, you’re hiccuppg for three hours straight!</p><p class="paywall">It’s jt like this hilar double life. You’re glueg yourself together wh We-Out and Stch tape behd the scen and you’re supposed to appear all put together and make sense. Nobody really r that the baby was awake at 11 p.m. and 12 p.m. and 1 a.m. and 4 a.m. That’s where I’m at. I’m talkg to you, but my kid jt don’t sleep. I ask people for advice and they’re like, “Well, I didn’t sleep for eight years.” That’s not a good solutn!</p><div><div class="ConsumerMarketgUnThemedWrapper-iUTMTf jssHut nsumer-marketg-un nsumer-marketg-un--article-mid-ntent" role="prentatn" aria-hidn="te"><div class="nsumer-marketg-un__slot nsumer-marketg-un__slot--article-mid-ntent nsumer-marketg-un__slot---ntent"></div><div class="journey-un"></div></div></div><p class="paywall"><strong>Addg to the gree of difficulty, you ma the rerd durg the panmic, wh the players sttered across multiple time zon and you rerdg the piano and vols by yourself a former church Woodstock, New York.</strong></p><p class="paywall">It’s funny. I was the most alone and the least alone at the same time, bee I had this other ltle person si me.</p><p class="paywall">Later, after I had given birth, we were rerdg an orchtra remotely, and they were Macedonia. I was New York and <strong>John Congleton,</strong> the producer, and <strong>Jherek Bischoff,</strong> the arranger, were California. On the very first day of this remote rerdg there was an earthquake Macedonia, and the entire place shook and went dark. They lled back and were like, “We’re ed to this. It’s okay.” I had a very, very long rd to my headphon and I would turn off my mera and breastfeed. 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data-ttid="BodyWrapper"><div class="body__ner-ntaer"><p class="paywall"><strong>The songs clu a tense kept-woman drama (“Sugar Man”), a sexy qut (“Up the Mounta”), and a grand imprsnistic sue (“Loveology”). Do you feel like this rerd has a theme?</strong></p><p class="paywall">Oh, I feel like each song is a nnective ia wh self. A ltle world. They were wrten at different tim—there’s a uple of really old songs on here. “Loveology” and “Radrops” are very, very old, “Radrops” maybe 20 years. I love songs, and I put them together where feels like they’re ntrastg each other or they’re helpg each other. But as far as unrstandg whether somethg piec together or has an overarchg msage, I thk all of that has to be the power of the listener.</p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-2 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall"><strong>There’s also the achgly betiful and sad and funny “Beg All Alone Aga,” where you and God go out for a beer. He pays.</strong></p><p class="paywall">The songs are all ma up! A lot of the time my md is basilly, “Oh, what’s kd of ol?” They’re like ltle balloons, and I jt grab a strg and float off. The thg that’s most tertg to me is that ’s a kaleidospe. It’s always shiftg. My ia of God will be probably 30 different ias of God songs. But my ias songs are hopefully higher and maybe more clear ias than I have nscly. I’m pullg at this thread and maybe somethg out that I don’t even fully unrstand. It’s been poted out that I revis certa thgs songs. Death. God. The ltle thgs life.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Did your weeklong Broadway n 2019 rhape your mic any way?</strong></p><p class="paywall">One night when <strong>Ben Folds</strong> was my special gut, we did a jazz standard together. That afternoon Ben and I said to <strong>Caleb Teicher,</strong> the tap dancer, “Can you please do a creative solo for the ltle stmental sectn?” They got an umbrella and did all the ol mov and worked out. And then jt happened that night on Broadway, somethg that didn’t exist before. I e om classil mic, and I have tried so hard to let go of some of that perfectnism. I ed to jt beat myself up and be like, you know, this isn’t ready. The Broadway thg was really eeg. That was a very big al to me. </p><p class="paywall"><strong>I love that the rerd versn of “Spacetime Fairytale” clus tap, as the song did s Broadway versn.</strong></p><p class="paywall">When you’re playg wh micians live, we all listen to each other and you fd micians that feel time together. Mic breath. Thgs speed up, thgs slow down, pecially mic like me. When you’re rerdg different plac that creat real difficulti: Can we jt figure out disembodied tap and put here? Caleb did an amazg job of tappg to the track I sent him. I thk “Spacetime” is always gog to be a huge thg for me.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Your fay moved om Mosw to the Bronx when you were ne years old. So you’re thoroughly Amerin. 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My heart is breakg for this fuckg war. It’s prehensible. I grew up thkg that World War II had jt happened. Bee Rsia did—every sgle person there was affected, every sgle person knew personally fay members, relativ, distant and close iends who were wound, killed, starved. I have 42 fay members that were buried alive the roads of Ukrae. My grandparents are om Zhytomyr, which is right next to Kiev. Durg Chernobyl our iend om Kiev and her son me and lived wh Mosw. To start a war, this age, wh the weapons, ’s unnscnable. I n’t believe this is happeng our time, wh people who are basilly all siblgs.</p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-3 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall"><strong>I</strong> <strong>was very sorry to hear of the ath of your father, Ilya, early April.</strong></p><p class="paywall">I’m kd of startg to realize will not get better. It may feel a ltle different, but won’t get better.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>You lost him shortly before you were schled to play at Carnegie Hall. Was there any part of you that wanted to go through wh the show as a tribute to your father?</strong> </p><p class="paywall">It was very difficult for me to ncel bee had been somethg that he was so lookg forward to. He was sick and he was always sendg me away, “You should be practicg!” I only cid to ncel when beme Jewish-mathematilly impossible. The show would have been on the last day of shiva. There would have been nothg I uld have done but walk out on that stage and weep. I’m tryg to strengthen myself so when I go there next month I n really play a show his memory and hold together. I’m a raw person general, and wh everythg gog on the world and my world—I jt want to make the shows a celebratn, to be alive together.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>To me that’s the brilliance of your new album, that ’s about the tensn between pa and hope.</strong></p><p class="paywall">That’s where I live. Whatever is that’s gog on here, we really don’t unrstand what is or why anythg happens. I’m always very spic of everyone who thks they have somethg figured out. I’m velopg a higher tolerance for the mystery of all. To really unrstand that as terrible as thgs n get this place, that’s also as good as they n get. Pa and hope tly e together. Knowg how much bety and grace we n experience at tim, that’s how dark and spairg n also be. My whole entire attempt is to tertwe them to a fabric so they n temper each other. Bee floatg to each whout the other is kd of vapid.</p><p class="paywall">I tly do believe that there’s still a place for nuance. That place is probably face-to-face or voice-to-voice, not sound b or ty quot. And our world seems to be gog towards tier and tier piec. You know, maybe my next rerd is jt gog to be 50 TikToks and 12 rgton.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Please, please, promise me that won’t happen.</strong></p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-4 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall">[<em>Lghs.</em>] Yeah, no. 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