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On the podst “We Can Do Hard Thgs wh Glennon Doyle, ” Abby Wambach talked about her experience wh relign and beg gay. ”Wambach rells beg a teenager and tellg her iend om church that she was gay. “If you are part of an anizatn — a fay, a nversatn, a iend, a church that is lettg homophobia live sidly — you have three choic, ” Doyle said.

Episo NotFrom Eric Marc: To unrstand how a heterosexual, Jewish, Midwtern dghter of a Rsian immigrant sglehandly fluenced how Amerins thought about gay people, how parents saw their gay kids, and how gay people felt about themselv, you have to go back time. Ple Phillips (nicknamed “Popo” by her fay) affirmatively took on the issue of homosexualy and the rights of gay people her lumn—begng the late 1960s/early 1970s—at a time when dog so risked backlash om her rears and the newspapers which her lumn appeared.

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She was one of the only high-profile celebri to do so durg an era when gay people were still nsired sick, sful, and crimal. But spe the bags of hate mail she received om those who disagreed wh her, she never flched or backed down, which is why she holds a special place the hearts of gay people (and their fay members) who grew up wh her lumn.

Phillips’s admonn to the parents of a gay child that they should “love him, love him, love him, ” rgs as te today as did when she first wrote those words her lumn s of the lumns Phillips referenc her Makg Gay History terview ncerns people who were upset about new neighbors, a lumn that she said gay people loved.

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That same year Jeanne was award the first ever “Straight for Equaly” award om PFLAG (then known as Parents and Friends of Lbians and Gays). Jeanne’s mother first remend PFLAG to the distrght parent of a gay child a “Dear Abby” lumn learn more about Ple Phillips and the “Dear Abby” lumn, have a look at the rourc below. Ple Phillips’s oral history n be found Eric Marc’s book Makg Gay History.

———Episo TranscriptEric Marc Narratn: I’m Eric Marc and this is Makg Gay my first round of terviews for my book, I only spoke to one person who was a hoehold name: Dear Abby. My immigrant grandmother went right to Dear Abby’s lumn where she uld get the latt advice on everythg om marriage and children to abortn and homosexualy. From the start she got letters askg for advice on homosexualy—om gay people who wanted to change to parents who wanted to know what they did wrong.

She said posive thgs about gay men and women and homosexualy general. That earned her bags of hate mail and a place the hearts of gay people everywhere. When you first started wrg your lumn 1956, did you get letters ncerng the issue of homosexualy or lbianism?

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“Dear Abby: To get right to the pot, I’m gay. But I don’t like beg gay.

I also have a reer I enjoy greatly, bankg, which further advancement is impossible if be known that I’m gay. Psychiatrists and other therapists I’ve gone to have tried to help me adjt to my homosexualy rather than help me to change.

Abby, adjtg to beg homosexual is fe for those who have accepted their homosexualy, but I haven’t. ” I say, “Dear Unhappy: Did you choose to be homosexual? But if you have always had erotic feelgs for men stead of women, then face , you are homosexual and even though you may be able to change your behavr, you will not be able to change your feelgs.

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Some therapists sist that if a homosexual is sufficiently motivated, he or she n bee straight.

He said regardg homosexualy of urse there is no cure bee ’s not a Alexanr said Yah. ” Now I’ve known a lot of gay people. I’ve always thought people were born that You mt have known people who were gay at that time then, Yah, well, my hairdrser.

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The guy that was drivg the helipter jt cracked Knowg someone like that om that part of the untry, I would thk would have given you some sight to what was like for young kids growg up small towns who were gay. And I would image you received lots of letters om homosexuals, men and women, wh And parents of gay people, too.

The San Diego Unn had never published the word homosexual their newspaper when I started. And they’re still pretty nservative, but that was the first time they’d ever published the word “homosexual, ” unls they dragged a guy, this guy was gog to jail or somethg, but a lumn? And to be kdly toward a homosexual?

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In 1971, you wrote, “To those who wrote to blast me for my refal to put down the homosexual: The most burnsome problem the homosexual mt bear is the stigma placed upon him by an unenlightened and tolerant society. It seems that—my imprsn was that thgs began to heat up that issue, the homosexualy issue, the late ’60s, early ’70s. That’s when gay civil rights me to bloom.

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It wouldn’t bother me, but I got a lot of , but I have ma that statement, “God ma gays as well as he ma straights. ” The gays thought was hilar. I was one of the first persons on the natnal level that wasn’t gay, I wasn’t fendg myself.

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I was fendg everyone’s right to be themselv, gay, straight, no And that was begng the People tell me took a lot of guts, but I was happy to have a platform, such as I Were you at all ncerned that your views on this subject would harm your reer, bee at the time you wrote, the 1950s, 1960s, even to the ’70s…AVB: I had an awful lot of people who thought I was wrong, why should I stick my neck out for them, you know. Jeanne took over the “Dear Abby” lumn om her mom 2002 and, like her mom, she’s been a fierce ally to gay people and a champn of LGBT rights. We had productn help om Jenna Weiss-Berman, who believed this podst even before was a Gay History is a -productn of Peapple Street Media, wh assistance om the New York Public Library’s Mancripts and Archiv Divisn.

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