The first gay pub I dared set foot now has a rabow plaque. Here’s why that matters | Gary Nunn | The Guardian

Contents:

• KNOWLEDGE WAS: THE POSSIBLE HTS OVER THE YEARS THAT ICEMAN IS GAY
• FOR LGBT FANS OF X-MEN, ICEMAN COMG OUT AS GAY HAS BEEN A LONG TIME COMG
• THE FIRST GAY PUB I DARED SET FOOT NOW HAS A RABOW PLAQUE. HERE’S WHY THAT MATTERS
• SHOULD ICEMAN BE STRAIGHT OR GAY ?
• MARVEL’S ICEMAN JT ME OUT AS GAY
• JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS ACH OUT AS GAY

KNOWLEDGE WAS: THE POSSIBLE HTS OVER THE YEARS THAT ICEMAN IS GAY

He almost cl, but then rensirs, offerg a personal ttimonial about the event and how relat to his own life as a gay the statement, Iceman explas that he ed to be ashamed not jt of his powers, but his sexualy, thanks to scty and bigotry om his peers. Ok, let me start this off by sayg none of this is me beg homophobic, you n choose to ll me that but judgg by the fact that some of my clost iends are part of the lgbtq muny go agast that. Now origally the were jt relatnships that me to an end like most real world relatnships, but him specifilly not beg bi means the relatnships were jt a gay guy so ep the closet he actively seeked out relatnships wh women who weren’t even terted him sometim, that’s jt prsg.

The Iceman story pag are drawn by Kris a prev issue, also drawn by Anka, a time-travelg young versn of Jean Grey read the md of young Iceman, llg him out for hidg that he’s “full gay. ” Young Bobby Drake nfirmed that he is gay, but rears were left wh the cliffhanger of what that means for prent-day Iceman, who has always acted straight. Prent Iceman eventually admted that he is ed gay, sayg that he was already persecuted for beg a mutant and an X-Man and he didn’t want to add beg gay to the list.

FOR LGBT FANS OF X-MEN, ICEMAN COMG OUT AS GAY HAS BEEN A LONG TIME COMG

He talked about how he put that part of himself away for his entire life, and when he nsired lettg out, he would unsuccsfully try thgs to see if he was actually straight, which only nfirmed that he is gay.

One of the tertg aspects of young Iceman g out the most recent issue of All-New X-Men (and om the sound of Brian Michael Bendis' discsns of the topic, sure sounds like adult Iceman will be tchg up wh him, as well) is the notn that Iceman beg gay is somethg supported past ics. Hontly, I don't thk the Cloud era is all that important to the overall "Hts that Bobby is gay" storyle, but people will always brg Cloud up, so I figure I might as well addrs . In X-Men #331, Bobby nonts Emma Frost about his powers, and she mak a ment about him beg an terr rator that some people have taken as a gay joke.

I believe her, but she said at the time that she was wrg him as as straight, but aga, she was VERY open to the possibily of him beg gay back then, so really isn't a big difference, I don't thk]. Although the news leaked earlier this week, All New X-Men #40, which hs store shelv today, ’s revealed by wrer Brian Michael Bendis that Iceman is gay, or at least the sixteen-year-old versn of Iceman that’s strand our time is gay.

THE FIRST GAY PUB I DARED SET FOOT NOW HAS A RABOW PLAQUE. HERE’S WHY THAT MATTERS

It is this sixteen-year-old versn of Iceman who me out as gay, after Jean Grey telepathilly picked up om him and fally nonted him about .

When young Bobby asks Jean how his olr self n be straight if he’s gay and they’re the same person, he seems to figure out pretty quickly for himself, as the followg panels show:. Unls, of urse, you happen to be a gay rear, which se the bate about Bobby Drake’s sexualy has been gog on for years, at least sce the early days of the ter, and probably even before that. The reason is that Bobby Drake’s behavr regards to his romantic relatnships wh female characters jt feel like the awkward attempts at heterosexualy that so many gay men make when they’re ep nial.

Bobby ends up wh the perfect beard for a closeted gay du: a betiful woman by his si, but one wh whom he don’t have to worry about ever havg physil timacy bee she nnot be touched. Aga, if you’re a straight rear, none of this is gog to register as beg gay and the closet to you, but if you’re a gay rear, ’s gog to raise all kids of flags — the rabow kd. While ’s great (and empowerg) to have gay characters who are out om the moment they appear on the ics page, like Hulklg or Batwoman, the tth is that there are lns of gay people who live years nial before admtg to anyone, and they n be hero too.

SHOULD ICEMAN BE STRAIGHT OR GAY ?

Havg Marvel nfirm that Iceman is gay isn’t jt a chance for gay rears to scream that we were right all along — this is a fictnal character after all; we’re only right bee Marvel or, more to the pot, Brian Bendis, fally cid we were. Frankly, I’d have served a prison jt for him to hold my hand, like he did his off-whe Vxhall Nova on the drive there, breakg only to change, he took me for strawberry cir the Gloucter, a pub at the park’s edge, takg my tremblg hand his and reassurg me: “It’s actually a gay bar. On Sunday, the first a new seri of rabow plaqu will be stalled at the Gloucter – now the Greenwich Tavern – cementg s place gay home the workg-class Medway area of Kent, where we met when he sold me a phone cred rd at the lol petrol statn, “queers” like were wily perceived as predatory, perverted, spic or simply scum.

”After the strawberry cir, served by a man a tight whe vt – the only other gay man I’d seen real life – the squiggly summer sunlight ma a strobe effect through the park’s tre. The first time I saw wh him, when I was 18, I realised he had echoed the love story of the two protagonists, who also had their first kiss the twilight of Greenwich Park’s tre, and their first experience of a gay pub at the Gloucter. The explanatn for his obssn is now clear: there was such a pcy of same-sex love stori that this was the first time many young people had seen a same-sex kiss, or peeked si an actual gay bar after dark.

The project remds people “that we have always been here, good tim and bad, ” David Robson of the London LGBT+ Foms’ Network said when the plaqu were film and my own story were workg-class gay love: not dandyish and sheltered by the polse of privilege, but the btal realy of beg perceived a non-mascule boy.

MARVEL’S ICEMAN JT ME OUT AS GAY

It was a powerful and rarely told tersectn – and one that, even more rarely, ends rather happily, wh a betiful scene of fiance and acceptance played to a Mama Cass waltz on the sk I disvered that I wasn’t the only wi-eyed baby gay my boyiend had been chasg through those ancient chtnuts that summer. For me, the plaque honours that private moment as well as the shared history of the LGBTQ+ ’s the msage I’d impart to anyone who thks such symbols are meangls, as the unique social history of the UK’s gay bars is endangered by gentrifitn, hook-up apps, the st of livg crisis and even assiatn. Like many workg-class, closeted gay boys, I’d hi unr the glovebox of my boyiend’s Nova when we drove back om the park, lt anyone saw.

Bobby has always been a straight male, them changg him to gay for ntroversy's sake was pretty stupid and a slap the face to all of his fans.

JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS ACH OUT AS GAY

Kid_Omega_Prime marked this as the bt answerBobby has always been a straight male, them changg him to gay for ntroversy's sake was pretty stupid and a slap the face to all of his, all five of them. (but of urse that's the only reason Marvel do anythg the days) If Stan Lee wanted this for Iceman he would have picted him as gay the ics he wrote, stead of havg thought bubbl of him earntly sirg Jean Grey along wh the other origal X-Men. @acer51: If wrers stuck to what Stan Lee wanted for his characters, then Marvel would have died a long time have speculated/joked about Bobby beg a closet homosexual sce the early 90s.

I don't really re which one they ci at this pot but I do have a problem wh the implitn that homosexualy is a choice, regardg the Iceman suatn. Lock them up and throw away the key, and then throw away the place where you threw the key, to some other place, like down a hole, and then throw that hole away too, and make sure that hole isn't some weird metaphor, bee you know what those muti are like, pecially the gay on, they will try to do anythg! Makg someone gay an alternate realy pretty much explicly stat that the guys at Marvel and DC believe sexualy is a choice, or based on upbrgg.