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am5pt0">{font-fay:Charter,Geia,Tim,Serif;font-size:1.1875rem;le-height:1.6;}{float:left;text-transform:upperse;font-weight:bold;marg-right:0.9375rem;marg-bottom:-0.625rem;marg-top:0;}{font-fay:Glanz,Glanz-fallback,Tim,Serif;font-size:6.25rem;font-weight:normal;le-height:0.75;marg-right:0;paddg:0.6rem 0.75rem 0 0;}@-moz-document url-prefix(){{marg-top:0.625rem;}}@media(max-width: 48rem){{marg-right:0.3125rem;}}@media(m-width: 64rem){{le-height:0.75;}} strong{font-fay:Charter,Geia,Tim,Serif;font-weight:bold;} em{font-style:alic;font-fay:Charter,Geia,Tim,Serif;}</style><p data-no-id="0" class="body-dropp css-am5pt0 et3p2gv0">A man is brand wh a swastika. Another is thanized bed wh a hand over his nose and mouth. A third is sprayed wh lighter fluid and set aflame. And that’s jt the first episo. Two s on, ’s clear that the 1997 premiere of <em>Oz</em> was the Big Bang of Great TV. An HBO ensemble drama set si the Oswald rrectnal facily, refed what you uld do on non-work televisn—pretty much anythg, turned out—while fearlsly probg the unexplored tensns Amerin life. Whout , there would be no <em>Sopranos</em>, no <em>Breakg Bad</em>, no <em>Walkg</em><em> Dead</em>, no <em>Game of Thron</em>. </p><style data-emotn="css aeyldl">{font-fay:Charter,Geia,Tim,Serif;font-size:1.1875rem;le-height:1.6;} strong{font-fay:Charter,Geia,Tim,Serif;font-weight:bold;} em{font-style:alic;font-fay:Charter,Geia,Tim,Serif;}</style><p data-no-id="1" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><span></span>Several key st members jo creator Tom Fontana to reflect on the show’s endurg impact. </p><style data-emotn="css 18pb4rg">{borr:0;borr-bottom:th solid black;marg:1.875rem 0;clear:both;}</style><hr data-no-id="2" class="css-18pb4rg et3p2gv0" /><p data-no-id="3" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong></strong><strong>Tom Fontana: </strong>We were really uncharted terrory, bee HBO had never done a drama seri before.</p><p data-no-id="4" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Dean Wters (Ryan O'Reily): </strong>Who watch HBO 1997 at 11:00pm? Nobody. Tom [Fontana] was approachg issu whout kid glov on 20 years ago, and that’s why I thk <em>Oz</em> didn’t really fd s footg ially.</p><p data-no-id="5" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">Don’t get me wrong, there were amazg wrers on televisn before Tom and after Tom—I won’t lie about that. But if you talk to any wrer worth his gra of salt, whether ’s Vce Gilligan or David Simon, any of the guys, they’ll say all started wh Tom. Ameri is playg tch up.</p><p data-no-id="6" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Lee Tergen (Tobias Beecher): </strong>When Method Man first met Tom, he was like “<em>You’re</em> the one who wr this stuff? A forty-year-old Italian guy om <em>Buffalo</em>?” Tom is my bt iend the world.</p><style data-emotn="css 1mtk2uq">{--data-embed-display:flex;-webk-align-ems:center;-webk-box-align:center;-ms-flex-align:center;align-ems:center;display:-webk-box;display:-webk-flex;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;marg-bottom:0.9375rem;}@media(m-width: 20rem){{clear:both;marg-left:to;marg-right:to;width:100%;}}@media(m-width: 30rem){{clear:both;marg-left:to;marg-right:to;width:100%;}}@media(m-width: 40.625rem){{width:70%;marg-left:1rem;marg-right:0rem;float:right;clear:right;}}@media(m-width: 48rem){{width:70%;marg-left:1rem;marg-right:0rem;float:right;clear:right;}}@media(m-width: 64rem){{width:60%;marg-left:1rem;marg-right:0rem;float:right;clear:right;}}@media(m-width: 73.75rem){{width:60%;marg-left:1rem;marg-right:lc(-30% - 1rem);float:right;clear:right;}}@media(m-width: 75rem){{width:60%;marg-left:1rem;marg-right:lc(-30% - 1rem);float:right;clear:right;}}@media(m-width: 90rem){{width:60%;marg-left:1rem;marg-right:lc(-30% - 1rem);float:right;clear:right;}} a span{right:1rem;} img{width:to;height:85vh;} a{display:-webk-le-box;display:-webk-le-flex;display:-ms-le-flexbox;display:le-flex;posn:var(--posn, relative);} img:not(.ewcw41w1){display:block;width:100%;height:to;-webk-align-self:flex-start;-ms-flex-em-align:flex-start;align-self:flex-start;}</style><div size="large" data-embed="body-image" data-no-id="7" class="align-right size-large embed css-1mtk2uq e1xqj1sx4"><style data-emotn="css uwraif">{width:100%;display:-webk-le-box;display:-webk-le-flex;display:-ms-le-flexbox;display:le-flex;-webk-flex-directn:lumn;-ms-flex-directn:lumn;flex-directn:lumn;marg-left:to;marg-right:to;-webk-box-pack:center;-ms-flex-pack:center;-webk-jtify-ntent:center;jtify-ntent:center;}</style><div class="css-uwraif e1xqj1sx3"><div class="css-p7qblm ewcw41w0"><img alt="Human, Jaw, Transparent material, " tle="Human, Jaw, Transparent material, " loadg="lazy" width="1876" height="1960" dg="async" data-nimg="1" style="lor: transparent; width: 100%; height: to;" siz="100vw" srcSet=" 640w, 980w, 1120w, 1200w, 1920w" src="" class="css-0 exi4f7p0" /><a target="_blank" rel="noopener" href="//" class="ptert css-1i6sckr e1c1bym14"><img data-dynamic-svg src="/_assets/sign-tokens/e/static/ins/social/" loadg="lazy" alt="ptert in" height="to" width="to" class="css-1l3i1cl ewcw41w1" /></a></div><style data-emotn="css 78jldq">{paddg-left:0rem;}</style><div class="css-78jldq e1xqj1sx2"><style data-emotn="css 8h7i7x">{width:0;m-width:100%;paddg-top:0.625rem;letter-spacg:0.02rem;font-fay:Lsanne,Lsanne-fallback,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:0.875rem;le-height:1.3;} em, i{font-fay:her;font-style:alic;}</style><div class="css-8h7i7x e1xqj1sx1">Christopher Meloni as Chris Keller</div><figptn class="css-1am3yn9 enfs9c50"><span class="css-1mcfn5x e6iqd2">HBO</span><style data-emotn="css 1vpjmnm">{lor:#595959;font-fay:Lsanne,Lsanne-fallback,Arial,sans-serif;paddg:0 0.3rem;paddg-right:0.3125rem;}@media(max-width: 48rem){{font-size:0.70028rem;le-height:1.2;}}@media(m-width: 48rem){{font-size:0.70028rem;le-height:1.2;}}@media(m-width: 64rem){{font-size:0.75rem;le-height:1.3;}}</style><span class="css-1vpjmnm e6iqd0">//</span><span class="css-1mcfn5x e6iqd1">Alamy</span></figptn></div></div></div><p data-no-id="8" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>J.K. Simmons (Vern Schillger): </strong>Tom Fontana is equal parts geni and mentor and <em>pater faia</em>—and you know, jt a great guy.</p><p data-no-id="9" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Christopher Meloni (Chris Keller): </strong>It was btaly bed wh poetry. Harold Perre was the Greek chos, the grand observer of the silly gam that humankd plays. I thought that was a ol way to prent a show that also had mate rape and all that other btal stuff. There was nothg like on TV.</p><p data-no-id="10" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Kathryn Erbe (Shirley Bellger):</strong> I didn’t appreciate the show as much when I was on as I do now. </p><p data-no-id="11" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Ra Moreno (Sister Peter Marie Reimondo): </strong>Near the end of the first season I went to Tom, wh whom I’ve bee very close by the way, we are now ar iends—I said to him, "You wouldn’t happen to be Catholic, would you?" And he said, "Yeah! How’d you know?" I said, "Only a Catholic uld have wrten this show." The remptn, the vlence—there’s somethg so Catholic about all that to me. Apparently, some prits agreed wh that.</p><p data-no-id="12" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Tergen: </strong>There was one cric who said, “This show offends me, and offends God.” I love that a TV cric has the ear of God. </p><div supprsHydratnWarng data-no-id="13" data-embed="pullquote" class="embed css-0 e9hzx6g0"><style data-emotn="css 1eiql25">{text-align:center;marg:0rem;paddg-top:0.9375rem;paddg-bottom:0.9375rem;}</style><blockquote class="css-1eiql25 e1pe3zr91"><style data-emotn="css ow0dpz">{borr:0.3125rem solid #FF3A30;borr-radi:100%;ntent:'';display:block;height:2.1875rem;left:50%;marg:-0.99rem to 0 -1.33rem;posn:absolute;width:2.1875rem;}</style><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-ow0dpz eagam8p0"></span><style data-emotn="css la9czl">{font-fay:Lsanne,Lsanne-fallback,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:1.625rem;le-height:1.2;marg:0rem;}@media(max-width: 48rem){{font-size:1.75rem;le-height:1.2;}}@media(m-width: 64rem){{font-size:2.375rem;le-height:1.2;}} b, strong{font-fay:her;font-weight:bold;} em, i{font-fay:her;font-style:alic;}{ntent:'＂';display:block;font-fay:Lsanne,Lsanne-fallback,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:3.4375rem;le-height:0.72;font-style:alic;paddg:0.3125rem 0.875rem 0 0;}</style><blockquote class="css-la9czl e1pe3zr90">"There was one cric who said, 'This show offends me, and offends God.' I love that a TV cric has the ear of God."</blockquote><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-0 eagam8p1"></span></blockquote></div><p data-no-id="14" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Fontana: </strong>I thought to myself, "Unls I have actors who are relatively unknown, the dience is gog to go ‘Oh there’s that guy.’” That wasn’t te obvly of Ra Moreno or Ernie Hudson, bee they had e to wh wh very tablished reers, but for the most part I wanted the fac to be h. I wanted the dience to only know them as the character on <em>Oz</em>. </p><p data-no-id="15" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>J.K. Simmons: </strong>There was this qut for credibily for a lot of playg the tough guys and we were kd of feelg our way—for all of except Chuck Zo of urse, who is an <em>actual</em> tough guy. The rt of were jt a bunch of mil theater sissi.</p><p data-no-id="16" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">I would always tell people that what mak <em>Oz</em> so great is that ’s shot New York and New York actors are the bt, blah, blah, blah. Of urse, I’ve been livg L.A. for the past 14 years, so I’m not que sure what <em>that</em> says. </p><style data-emotn="css 1736von">{--data-embed-display:flex;-webk-align-ems:center;-webk-box-align:center;-ms-flex-align:center;align-ems:center;clear:both;display:-webk-box;display:-webk-flex;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;marg-bottom:0.9375rem;marg-left:to;marg-right:to;width:100%;}@media(m-width: 20rem){{width:100%;marg:0 to 0.9375rem;}}@media(m-width: 30rem){{width:100%;marg:0 to 0.9375rem;}}@media(m-width: 40.625rem){{width:100%;marg:0 to 0.9375rem;}}@media(m-width: 48rem){{width:100%;marg:0 to 0.9375rem;}}@media(m-width: 64rem){{width:100%;marg:0 to 0.9375rem;}}@media(m-width: 73.75rem){{width:100%;marg:0 to 0.9375rem;}}@media(m-width: 75rem){{width:100%;marg:0 to 0.9375rem;}}@media(m-width: 90rem){{width:100%;marg:0 to 0.9375rem;}} a span{right:1rem;} img{width:to;height:85vh;} a{display:-webk-le-box;display:-webk-le-flex;display:-ms-le-flexbox;display:le-flex;posn:var(--posn, relative);} img:not(.ewcw41w1){display:block;width:100%;height:to;-webk-align-self:flex-start;-ms-flex-em-align:flex-start;align-self:flex-start;}</style><div size="medium" data-embed="body-image" data-no-id="17" class="align-center size-medium embed css-1736von e1xqj1sx4"><div class="css-uwraif e1xqj1sx3"><div class="css-p7qblm ewcw41w0"><img alt="Mcle, Arm, Shoulr, Event, Cht, Stg, " tle="Mcle, Arm, Shoulr, Event, Cht, Stg, " loadg="lazy" width="1600" height="900" dg="async" data-nimg="1" style="lor: transparent; width: 100%; height: to;" siz="100vw" srcSet=" 640w, 980w, 1120w, 1200w, 1920w" src="" class="css-0 exi4f7p0" /><a target="_blank" rel="noopener" href="//" class="ptert css-1i6sckr e1c1bym14"><img data-dynamic-svg src="/_assets/sign-tokens/e/static/ins/social/" loadg="lazy" alt="ptert in" height="to" width="to" class="css-1l3i1cl ewcw41w1" /></a></div><style data-emotn="css swqnqv">@media(m-width: 20rem){{paddg-left:0rem;}}@media(m-width: 30rem){{paddg-left:0rem;}}@media(m-width: 40.625rem){{paddg-left:0rem;}}@media(m-width: 48rem){{paddg-left:0rem;}}@media(m-width: 64rem){{paddg-left:0rem;}}@media(m-width: 73.75rem){{paddg-left:0rem;}}@media(m-width: 75rem){{paddg-left:0rem;}}@media(m-width: 90rem){{paddg-left:0rem;}}</style><div class="css-swqnqv e1xqj1sx2"><div class="css-8h7i7x e1xqj1sx1">J.K. Simmons as Vern Schillger</div><figptn class="css-1am3yn9 enfs9c50"><span class="css-1mcfn5x e6iqd2">HBO</span></figptn></div></div></div><p data-no-id="18" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Wters: </strong>You had an environment where any given day you have 68 guys and you need to blow off some steam and we all realized early on that the wrong way to blow off that steam would be to avoid each other; was more about embracg each other bee the ntent of the show was so hard, what we were puttg on mera that the only way to levate that was to have a lot of fun. I’m tellg you, I’ve never had that much fun on a set. Bis Edie Fal, Betty Buckley, Ra Moreno, and Lren Velez, was like a pirate ship.</p><p data-no-id="19" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Tergen: </strong>It was so predomately male—except for the sexit woman on the pla, Ra Moreno— was like a at hoe, except I hate ats.</p><p data-no-id="20" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Harold Perre (Augt Hill):</strong> We didn’t have big trailers or assistants or any of that kd of stuff on set wh . We had the makhift rooms where we uld go and s if we had to get ready for the next scene but they weren’t anythg glamoro. If we had lunch, everybody would eat a mon area. </p><p data-no-id="21" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">When there was nothg to do, you’d see guys the rner playg rds or dog phups, or we’d be makg plans about somethg we were dog later, or supportg somebody’s new rap group. It felt like a real brotherhood. It’s actually the clost I’ve ever felt on any set I’ve ever been on. Kirk Acevedo was the bt man at my weddg.</p><div supprsHydratnWarng data-no-id="22" data-embed="pullquote" class="embed css-0 e9hzx6g0"><blockquote class="css-1eiql25 e1pe3zr91"><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-ow0dpz eagam8p0"></span><blockquote class="css-la9czl e1pe3zr90">"You’d lerally have J.K. Simmons and Lee Tergen chokg each other a scene, and the director would yell 'Cut!' and they would drop their hands and say, 'Wanna go bowlg?'” </blockquote><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-0 eagam8p1"></span></blockquote></div><p data-no-id="23" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Fontana: </strong>You’d lerally have J.K. Simmons and Lee Tergen chokg each other a scene, and the director would yell “Cut!” and they would drop their hands and say, “Wanna go bowlg?” This bunch of actors hung out together, they went to nightclubs together, they had dners together. They were remarkably tight, I gus bee what they were expected to do on the show was so sort of btal and extreme, that they wanted to be able to feel like they were protected by their fellow actors and felt an abily to munite wh their fellow actors when the meras weren’t rollg.</p><p data-no-id="24" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Simmons: </strong>I took Eamonn Walker to see his first Amerin baseball game at Yankee Stadium, which really eaked people out, bee the first season had aired by then, and people were seeg the head of the Aryan brotherhood and a black Mlim together at a Yanke game. We turned a lot of heads.</p><p data-no-id="25" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Tergen: </strong>You know was funny bee J.K. won the Osr for <em>Whiplash</em>, I texted him, “Oh my god, I jt realized I licked the boots of an Osr wner.” And he go, “If memory serv, you also shat the face of an Osr wner.”</p><div size="medium" data-embed="body-image" data-no-id="26" class="align-center size-medium embed css-1736von e1xqj1sx4"><div class="css-uwraif e1xqj1sx3"><div class="css-p7qblm ewcw41w0"><img alt="Adaptatn, " tle="Adaptatn, " loadg="lazy" width="3008" height="1960" dg="async" data-nimg="1" style="lor: transparent; width: 100%; height: to;" siz="100vw" srcSet=" 640w, 980w, 1120w, 1200w, 1920w" src="" class="css-0 exi4f7p0" /><a target="_blank" rel="noopener" href="//" class="ptert css-1i6sckr e1c1bym14"><img data-dynamic-svg src="/_assets/sign-tokens/e/static/ins/social/" loadg="lazy" alt="ptert in" height="to" width="to" class="css-1l3i1cl ewcw41w1" /></a></div><div class="css-swqnqv e1xqj1sx2"><div class="css-8h7i7x e1xqj1sx1">Ra Moreno as Sister Peter Marie Reimondo</div><figptn class="css-1am3yn9 enfs9c50"><span class="css-1mcfn5x e6iqd2">HBO</span><span class="css-1vpjmnm e6iqd0">//</span><span class="css-1mcfn5x e6iqd1">Alamy</span></figptn></div></div></div><p data-no-id="27" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Moreno:</strong> At the pot that I was ved to play Sister Pete I was still dog all of the Lato bullsh. Not out of choice necsarily, but bee that’s what there was. Tom asked to have dner wh me and my hband. I said to him, "So tell me, what is this show about?" He said a maximum-secury prison. I said, "Well who would you want me to play ?" "I’d like you to be the nun." I nearly choked on my ke! "You want me to play a nun?" I’d played all kds of floozi—but a nun? Then I said, "Wh my luck, this show will be a succs and I’ll be stuck wearg a wimple for the rt of my reer." And he said, "Oh, no, no, this is not that kd of nun at all." On the spur of the moment, I asked, "Could she have a bottle of whiskey one of her file drawers for when thgs get really rough?" And he said, "Of urse." So I said, "Okay, I’m ."</p><p data-no-id="28" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">It was a semal experience—I loved every mute. And got me a new kd of rpect the bs. A lot of people thought, "Well, she’s ser about what she do." In other ways, prived me of a lot of employment bee all the people who were a posn to st me said, "She looks like hell."</p><div supprsHydratnWarng data-no-id="29" data-embed="pullquote" class="embed css-0 e9hzx6g0"><blockquote class="css-1eiql25 e1pe3zr91"><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-ow0dpz eagam8p0"></span><blockquote class="css-la9czl e1pe3zr90">"A lot of gay people I’ve known over the years have told me that relatnship—as fucked up as was—ma them feel was okay to be gay."</blockquote><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-0 eagam8p1"></span></blockquote></div><p data-no-id="30" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Tergen: </strong>There was all this stuff back then about Will Smh and <em>Six Degre of Separatn</em>. In the play there was a kiss and he didn’t wanna do the kiss the movie versn bee Denzel Washgton said, “Don’t ever kiss a man on film bee will you.” I said to Chris, “I don’t know exactly where this is gog, but I know this is gog to be a big al for the two characters and stead of shyg away om , I thk we should try and make sexy.” And he went “Wowwww.”</p><p data-no-id="31" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">And a lot of gay people I’ve known over the years, different people who were gay, have told me, that relatnship—as fucked up as was—ma them feel was okay to be gay.</p><p data-no-id="32" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Meloni:</strong> It was not only a ep honor but an eye-openg experience. I got all of this feedback gay men who basilly were sayg, "Thank god. Fally, a three-dimensnal gay character"—albe a psychopathic one, but that asi. "We don’t want the guy sashayg wh the lisp. We jt want a man who happens to be wired a certa way."</p><div size="medium" data-embed="body-image" data-no-id="33" class="align-center size-medium embed css-1736von e1xqj1sx4"><div class="css-uwraif e1xqj1sx3"><div class="css-p7qblm ewcw41w0"><img alt="Event, Human body, Performance, heater, Drama, Actg, Scene, " tle="Event, Human body, Performance, heater, Drama, Actg, Scene, " loadg="lazy" width="3374" height="2475" dg="async" data-nimg="1" style="lor: transparent; width: 100%; height: to;" siz="100vw" srcSet=" 640w, 980w, 1120w, 1200w, 1920w" src="" class="css-0 exi4f7p0" /><a target="_blank" rel="noopener" href="//" class="ptert css-1i6sckr e1c1bym14"><img data-dynamic-svg src="/_assets/sign-tokens/e/static/ins/social/" loadg="lazy" alt="ptert in" height="to" width="to" class="css-1l3i1cl ewcw41w1" /></a></div><div class="css-swqnqv e1xqj1sx2"><div class="css-8h7i7x e1xqj1sx1">Christopher Meloni and Lee Tergen wh creator Tom Fontana</div><figptn class="css-1am3yn9 enfs9c50"><span class="css-1mcfn5x e6iqd2">HBO</span></figptn></div></div></div><p data-no-id="34" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Tergen: </strong>We shot 12 hours a day, which is not a lot, but we got maybe two tak, so your foc has to be credible. It was down and dirty, our drsg rooms were like plywood partns on the sixth floor of the Chelsea market buildg where we shot . And was bare bon</p><p data-no-id="35" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Wters: </strong>I really learned to be a Swiss clock on <em>Oz</em>. Tom Fontana and Jim Fnerty, who produced , expected you to show up, know your l, keep your mark. If you’re gonna qutn somethg, you don’t do on the day of; you do when you get the scripts. I also leaned that actors are sendary—’s all about the wrg.</p><p data-no-id="36" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Simmons: </strong>You show up at 7 AM, you leave at 7 PM, you do your job, there’s no drama except the drama that’s on the page. That’s the vibe that I try to brg and try to help create on every set that I work on.</p><p data-no-id="37" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">I would get home om shootg wh a swastika tattooed on my cht and my wife would go off to her job Disney’s <em>Bety and the Beast</em> on Broadway, a slightly different vibe.</p><p data-no-id="38" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Erbe:</strong> If you were a problem, if you ma difficult for other people, then your character would die. </p><div supprsHydratnWarng data-no-id="39" data-embed="pullquote" class="embed css-0 e9hzx6g0"><blockquote class="css-1eiql25 e1pe3zr91"><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-ow0dpz eagam8p0"></span><blockquote class="css-la9czl e1pe3zr90">"I would get home om shootg wh a swastika tattooed on my cht and my wife would go off to her job <em>Bety and the Beast</em> on Broadway."</blockquote><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-0 eagam8p1"></span></blockquote></div><p data-no-id="40" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Fontana: </strong>Chris Albrecht gave me a plete ee hand. When someone says, “You n show anythg you want to show,” there’s a gidds—“Ooh, I n throw mud all over the place!” But what I quickly learned was that I had a rponsibily to tell the story and to e the vlence and the sex and the language when was necsary for the character, as opposed to me jt gog, “This will be fun.” The st was pretty game to try anythg if felt right for the character.</p><p data-no-id="41" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Moreno: </strong>One time I was so upset about somethg that Tom wrote—a character receiv his son’s <em>hand</em> the mail—that the next day I me to work and I rolled up a newspaper and I spotted him and I started to beat him up wh . "How uld you do this?!" And I really went crazy—I was so upset. He jt kept sayg, "What did I do? What did I do?" I said, "You know what you did!"</p><div size="large" data-embed="body-image" data-no-id="42" class="align-right size-large embed css-1mtk2uq e1xqj1sx4"><div class="css-uwraif e1xqj1sx3"><div class="css-p7qblm ewcw41w0"><img alt="Hair, Face, Forehead, Head, Neck, Ch, Shoulr, Hairstyle, Arm, Cht, " tle="Hair, Face, Forehead, Head, Neck, Ch, Shoulr, Hairstyle, Arm, Cht, " loadg="lazy" width="540" height="720" dg="async" data-nimg="1" style="lor: transparent; width: 100%; height: to;" siz="100vw" srcSet=" 640w, 980w, 1120w, 1200w, 1920w" src="" class="css-0 exi4f7p0" /><a target="_blank" rel="noopener" href="//" class="ptert css-1i6sckr e1c1bym14"><img data-dynamic-svg src="/_assets/sign-tokens/e/static/ins/social/" loadg="lazy" alt="ptert in" height="to" width="to" class="css-1l3i1cl ewcw41w1" /></a></div><div class="css-78jldq e1xqj1sx2"><div class="css-8h7i7x e1xqj1sx1">Dean Wters as Ryan O’Reily</div><figptn class="css-1am3yn9 enfs9c50"><span class="css-1mcfn5x e6iqd2">HBO</span></figptn></div></div></div><p data-no-id="43" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Wters:</strong> I’m a very nonvlent person so there were scen, like the rt scen the first season and some of the fight scen, when I got sred. And thank God we had a really rmed stunt un. Bee sometim you fet that you’re actg, and there were fely moments where got a ltle out of hand. There was scene the kchen where my brother and I are servg food to the prisoners and Schillger wks at my brother, basilly alludg to the fact that he had raped him, and I remember losg . I jumped over the unter, which was not scripted, and they had to rtra me. That’s me beg a bad actor.</p><p data-no-id="44" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Perre: </strong>We were showg not jt the vlence but the aftermath of the vlence, which is somethg that you don’t often see. A guy stabs somebody, one guy di, but then another guy liv wh . It chang him and mak him different some way or another. I thought that was really groundbreakg, not jt vlence for vlence’s sake but to let you know the st of that kd of vlence.</p><p data-no-id="45" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Meloni: </strong>How many tim have you opened a newspaper and gone, “I n’t image how cel one person n be to another.” On <em>Oz</em>, we don’t even scratch the surface.</p><p data-no-id="46" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Tergen:</strong> J.K. said to me, “I get when people see me on the street and say, ‘Hey you dirty Nazi bastard.’ The creepy thg is when somebody’s like, ‘You’re speakg my language.’”</p><p data-no-id="47" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Simmons:</strong> I would get guys g up to me ocsnally wh a certa look their eye, and I would nod and se and try and get out of the suatn as quickly as possible.</p><p data-no-id="48" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Fontana: </strong>I got a ll om HBO sayg that some Aryan group had threatened not only me, but Barry Levson, my bs partner, and Jerry Lev, who at the time was the CEO of Time Warner. HBO wanted to get bodyguards, but I said no, and not out of some bizarre bravery. I jt thought if I start beg aaid, I’m never gog to wre anythg aga. So I didn’t take the bodyguards. And I’m still alive.</p><p data-no-id="49" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Moreno:</strong> I said to Tom, "You know, I’ve always wonred what would be like to get to the sensual life of a relig person. You know, one of her ssns wh one of the prisoners, maybe someone my age, she uld start gettg a csh?" And he loved that ia, but Tom beg Tom—and a wrer, and perverse—had me fall madly love wh a sexual predator way younger than I.</p><div size="medium" data-embed="body-image" data-no-id="50" class="align-center size-medium embed css-1736von e1xqj1sx4"><div class="css-uwraif e1xqj1sx3"><div class="css-p7qblm ewcw41w0"><img alt="Fun, Event, Conversatn, " tle="Fun, Event, Conversatn, " loadg="lazy" width="1024" height="576" dg="async" data-nimg="1" style="lor: transparent; width: 100%; height: to;" siz="100vw" srcSet=" 640w, 980w, 1120w, 1200w, 1920w" src="" class="css-0 exi4f7p0" /><a target="_blank" rel="noopener" href="//" class="ptert css-1i6sckr e1c1bym14"><img data-dynamic-svg src="/_assets/sign-tokens/e/static/ins/social/" loadg="lazy" alt="ptert in" height="to" width="to" class="css-1l3i1cl ewcw41w1" /></a></div><div class="css-swqnqv e1xqj1sx2"><div class="css-8h7i7x e1xqj1sx1">Kathryn Erbe as Shirley Bellger and Terry Kney as Tim McMan</div><figptn class="css-1am3yn9 enfs9c50"><span class="css-1mcfn5x e6iqd2">HBO</span></figptn></div></div></div><p data-no-id="51" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Erbe: </strong>It was a very new experience for me playg someone like Shirley. I did thgs for that character and for Tom that I never have done other suatns. I jt tried to su up and do the job, and divorce my own judgment and my own emotns om her. </p><div supprsHydratnWarng data-no-id="52" data-embed="pullquote" class="embed css-0 e9hzx6g0"><blockquote class="css-1eiql25 e1pe3zr91"><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-ow0dpz eagam8p0"></span><blockquote class="css-la9czl e1pe3zr90">"Each week I would read the new script wh trepidatn, wonrg, 'Oh my god, what am I gog to have to do this time?'"</blockquote><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-0 eagam8p1"></span></blockquote></div><p data-no-id="53" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">When Shirley was hanged, I did the scene wh my then hband askg him how I should die. That day after work, when I’m home after dner washg dish, I thought, “Wow, I was dyg today and now I’m home washg dish. This is a really weird life.”</p><p data-no-id="54" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">I was kd of shocked by how eely the sick, twisted impuls would e to my head. Each week I would read the new script wh trepidatn, wonrg, “Oh my god, what am I gog to have to do this time?”</p><p data-no-id="55" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Simmons:</strong> I get home one day and there’s a msage on my answerg mache: “Hey J.K., s Tom. Had a qutn about somethg I’m thkg about wrg for your character and I jt want to talk about before we go ahead wh .” I’m thkg to myself, This guy has had me beat the crap out of people, rapg them, he’s had me ccify a guy—what the hell is he thkg about havg me do that sudnly now he feels the need to get my approval for? What twisted act of mayhem is store?? I ll him back and he says, “Would you be willg to sg?” </p><p data-no-id="56" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Wters: </strong><em>Oz</em> was such a gift. But ’s tough bee ’s like flyg private for your first flight and then havg to fly mercial for the rt of your life. Nothg has even remotely e close to .</p><div size="medium" data-embed="body-image" data-no-id="57" class="align-center size-medium embed css-1736von e1xqj1sx4"><div class="css-uwraif e1xqj1sx3"><div class="css-p7qblm ewcw41w0"><img alt="Stg, Human, Conversatn, Mician, Long hair, " tle="Stg, Human, Conversatn, Mician, Long hair, " loadg="lazy" width="3008" height="1960" dg="async" data-nimg="1" style="lor: transparent; width: 100%; height: to;" siz="100vw" srcSet=" 640w, 980w, 1120w, 1200w, 1920w" src="" class="css-0 exi4f7p0" /><a target="_blank" rel="noopener" href="//" class="ptert css-1i6sckr e1c1bym14"><img data-dynamic-svg src="/_assets/sign-tokens/e/static/ins/social/" loadg="lazy" alt="ptert in" height="to" width="to" class="css-1l3i1cl ewcw41w1" /></a></div><div class="css-swqnqv e1xqj1sx2"><div class="css-8h7i7x e1xqj1sx1">Lee Tergen as Tobias Beecher and Harold Perre as Augt Hill</div><figptn class="css-1am3yn9 enfs9c50"><span class="css-1mcfn5x e6iqd2">HBO</span><span class="css-1vpjmnm e6iqd0">//</span><span class="css-1mcfn5x e6iqd1">Alamy</span></figptn></div></div></div><p data-no-id="58" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Tergen: </strong>The show gave you a chance to look at people that you ially didn’t thk you had anythg mon wh. But once you unrstand their story, you start to see the siari and that’s what was great about and I thk what needs to be happeng more now.</p><p data-no-id="59" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">I was a church up Harlem and there was an eight- or ne-year-old boy next to me, and he’s like, “Are you Beecher?” I say, “Yeah.” He go, “I told my mom that was you but she didn’t believe me.” I turn to the mother and say, “Isn’t he too young to watch this show?” And she said, “No. He has got to know that there is a horror show out there. That ’s not ol to go to jail.”</p><p data-no-id="60" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Perre: </strong>One of the qutns that I was always asked is: Are prisons for retributn or rehabilatn? And I don’t thk we’ve answered yet. </p><p data-no-id="61" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Erbe: </strong>Tom saw prison as a microsm of the untry.</p><p data-no-id="62" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Fontana:</strong> If you have a clear enough visn about what you want to say and the world you want to pict, there is an dience willg to experience wh you. I thk a lot of tim televisn we dumb down bee we thk the dience is too stupid to unrstand. And what I thk I learned om <em>Oz</em> was that, at least the HBO subscribers, were more than willg to look at the world om a different pot of view.</p><p data-no-id="63" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">Also, I always thought <em>Oz</em> was the funnit show on TV.</p><hr data-no-id="64" class="css-18pb4rg et3p2gv0" /><p data-no-id="65" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><em>A versn of this article appears the November '17 issue of </em>Esquire<em>.</em></p><p data-no-id="66" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><style data-emotn="css 15g0gpe">{background:#FF3A30;background-lor:#FF3A30;-webk-background-size:100% 200%;background-size:100% 200%;borr:th solid #FF3A30;borr-radi:2rem;lor:#000;display:le-block;font-fay:Lsanne,Lsanne-fallback,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:0.875rem;letter-spacg:0.04rem;le-height:1.3;paddg:0.625rem 1.25rem;-webk-text-ratn:none;text-ratn:none;text-ratn-lor:#FF3A30;text-ratn-thickns:.0625rem;text-transform:upperse;text-unrle-offset:0.25rem;-webk-transn:all 0.3s ease--out;transn:all 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