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hman at Prceton, <a href=">said to Anton Slia</a> on Monday. In ont of <a data-offer-url=" class="external-lk" data-event-click="{"element":"ExternalLk","outgogURL":"" href=" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">eight hundred other stunts</a> who had e to hear the Jtice speak, Hosie ced Slia’s dissents two ccial gay-rights s, <a href=">Romer v. Evans</a>, om 1996 (the one which Slia wrote, “But I had thought that one uld nsir certa nduct reprehensible—murr, for example, or polygamy, or celty to animals—and uld exhib even ‘anim’ toward such nduct. Surely that is the only sort of ‘anim’ at issue here: moral disapproval of homosexual nduct….”) and <a href=">Lawrence v. Texas</a>, om 2003 (“The Texas statute unniably seeks to further the belief of s cizens that certa forms of sexual behavr are “immoral and unacceptable,” <em>Bowers</em>, <em>supra</em>, at 196—the same tert furthered by crimal laws agast fornitn, bigamy, adultery, adult ct, btialy, and obsceny…. Even if the Texas law <em>do</em> ny equal protectn to “homosexuals as a class,” that nial <em>still</em> do not need to be jtified by anythg more than a ratnal basis, which our s show is satisfied by the enforcement of tradnal notns of sexual moraly.”) Hosie, who is eighteen, and was a small child when both of those s were cid, wanted to know if Slia, who is seventy-six, and the longt servg jtice on the Supreme Court, had any send thoughts, if only about his tone.</p><div><div class="ConsumerMarketgUnThemedWrapper-iUTMTf jssHut nsumer-marketg-un nsumer-marketg-un--article-mid-ntent" role="prentatn" aria-hidn="te"><div class="nsumer-marketg-un__slot nsumer-marketg-un__slot--article-mid-ntent nsumer-marketg-un__slot---ntent"></div><div class="journey-un"></div></div></div><p class="paywall">“I thk there is a fundamental difference between argug the Constutn do not protect gay sex, which is a fensible and legimate legal posn I disagree wh, and parg gays to people who m murr or engage btialy,” Hosie said. “Do you have any regret or shame for drawg the parisons you did your dissents?”</p><p class="paywall">Slia did not. “If we nnot have moral feelgs agast homosexualy, n we have agast murr? Can we have agast the other thgs?” he said to Hosie. “Of urse we n. I don’t apologize for the thgs I raised. I’m not parg homosexualy to murr. I’m parg the prciple that a society may not adopt moral sanctns, moral views, agast certa nduct. I’m parg that wh rpect to murr and that wh rpect to homosexualy.” He said that was an argument by way of rctn to the absurd—and, sce this is Slia, he did so wh a note of somethg between sarsm, nscensn, and stubbornns: “It’s a type of argument that I thought you would have known…. I’m surprised you aren’t persuad.”</p><p class="paywall">A few months om now, when the Supreme Court hears arguments the two same-sex marriage s accepted for review last Friday, many observers will likely be Hosie’s posn—listeng wh some amazement to Slia as he berat lawyers, fascated by his animosy, wonrg about the pot where a cel note remov any enjoyment one might fd tellectual theatrics. There haven’t exactly been signs that Slia is mellowg. His dissent, this year, an Arizona immigratn-law se, was as policized and angry as ever—and gay-rights s do not exactly brg out his soft si. For the health-re se, we had brocli arguments; for same-sex marriage, we will likely be g back to btialy.</p><div class="Contaer-bkChBi byNLHx"></div><p class="paywall">At the same time, those listeng to the arguments will hear the story of Edh Wdsor, the platiff one of the two s—the one that is <a href=">the bt chance to overturn the Defense of Marriage Act</a>, which whholds feral regnn of same-sex marriag that stat sanctn. Wdsor met her wife, Thea Spyer, 1965; she danced wh her so long that, at the end of the eveng, there was a hole her stockgs, as <a href=">Spyer told the <em>Tim</em></a> the uple’s weddg announcement. A few years later, Spyer was diagnosed wh multiple sclerosis, and Wdsor eventually qu her job (as an early puter programmer at IBM) to take re of her full time. By the time the two were able to marry, 2007, Spyer was nfed to a wheelchair. When she died, Wdsor was subjected to more than six hundred thoand dollars tax on the apartment and untry hoe they shared—tax that a heterosexual widow would have been spared. That jury is what gave her standg to brg the se; her mment to her wife and her steadfastns should be humblg even for Slia. (Admtedly, that may be optimistic.)</p><p class="paywall">But there are also a uple of pots Slia’s dissents that are worth thkg about, if only as objects of ntemplatn. The first is his firm belief that earlier gay-rights s set the legal amework for same-sex marriage, and that his opponents were bld nyg that. He may have been right—if thoroughly wrong to oppose gay-rights for that reason. One rells the scen “Lln,” which Thad Stevens rtras himself om sayg what he knows and hop will be te—that an end to slavery may lead to a broar, ter social equaly. Slia clgs to hate—what he lls anim—bee he’s got nothg else; what he is missg, though, is that an creasg number of Amerins have found that when legal strictur and open discrimatn are stripped away they are left not wh the reprehensible, but wh neighbors, iends, and fay members whom they love, and see lovg each other. Ltle wonr, then, that two-thirds of those unr thirty support same-sex marriage.</p></div></div></div><div class="GridItem-buujkM fVLMby grid--em grid-layout__asi"><asi class="PersistentAsiWrapper-VGrR daRVRt persistent-asi" style="posn:absolute;top:to;height:to" data-ttid="PersistentAsiWrapper"><div class="StickyBoxWrapper-jfYB jxBcTH sticky-box"><div class="StickyBoxPrimary-dzWDWL cdhYoN sticky-box__primary"><div class="AdWrapper-dQtivb fZrssQ ad ad--rail"><div class="ad__slot ad__slot--rail" data-no-id="o9u7vpu"></div></div><div class="ConsumerMarketgUnThemedWrapper-iUTMTf jssHut nsumer-marketg-un nsumer-marketg-un--display-rail" role="prentatn" aria-hidn="te"><div class="nsumer-marketg-un__slot nsumer-marketg-un__slot--display-rail"></div><div class="journey-un"></div></div></div><div class="StickyBoxPlaceholr-grPmrg dxAvXx"></div></div></asi></div></div><div class="RowWrapper-UmqTg HEhan full-bleed-ad row-mid-ntent-ad"><div class="StickyMidContentAdWrapper-fSBzwl drzyIa ad-stickymidntent"><div class="AdWrapper-dQtivb fZrssQ ad ad--mid-ntent should-hold-space"><div class="ad__slot ad__slot--mid-ntent" data-no-id="hgp3m"></div></div></div></div><div class="GridWrapper-cAzTTK kHBDeH grid grid-margs grid-ems-2 ArticlePageChunksGrid-hfxa bjczjj grid-layout--adrail narrow wi-adrail"><div class="GridItem-buujkM stRKV grid--em grid-layout__ntent"><div class="BodyWrapper-kufPGa bDyAMU body body__ntaer article__body" data-journey-hook="client-ntent" data-ttid="BodyWrapper"><div class="body__ner-ntaer"><p class="paywall">The other pot that dismayed Slia those s, and will likely do so even more now, is the speed at which all this change has taken place. In his dissent Lawrence, he plaed about “surprisg reads to rensir a cisn renred a mere 17 years ago Bowers v. Hardwick”— which the Court upheld anti-sodomy laws. It is now a mere ne years sce Lawrence. (It is also a mere forty-five years sce anti-miscegenatn laws were overturned Lovg v. Virgia.) That cultural transformatn is unniable. Joseph Bin creded “Will and Grace”—and the shows wh fun, sympathetic gay and lbian characters certaly played a role. But a more relevant artifact may be “Philalphia,” the movie which Tom Hanks played a lawyer, dyg of <em class="small">AIDS</em>, who was sug his firm for discrimatn—or rather the years of solatn that ptured and nveyed. It was durg the <em class="small">AIDS</em> crisis that many people learned what meant to be married, terms of havg the right to be a hospal room or plan a funeral, and also how many people they knew who were touched by . Those lsons, about the legal power of marriage and the endurg force of fay ti, have been rried past those years of crisis. They have been joed by, and rmed, a drive for marriage as a way to protect the rights of the children of gay parents. Both tragedy and joyfulns have been part of the metamorphosis that brought the s before Slia and his lleagu—dancg until there is a hole your stockgs as well as stg by a hospal bed.</p><p class="paywall">There has also been an end to liv nstraed by silence. Dunn Hosie, <a data-offer-url=" class="external-lk" data-event-click="{"element":"ExternalLk","outgogURL":"" href=" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">the <em>Daily Prcetonian</em> reported</a>, “had e out to his fay jt a ltle over one month ago, over fall break…. He said he stggled wh his orientatn before g out to his fay, and he said readg Slia’s negative parisons while preparg his qutn ma his stggle more difficult.” But he also seems to have had a sense of who he was, and wanted to be. Acrdg to the <em>Daily Prcetonian</em>, “Hosie said he had gone through a few drafts of the qutn and read about 50 Slia opns orr to ci what he wanted to say.” When Slia stood there, Hosie was ready. 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