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em{font-style:alic;font-fay:Charter,Geia,Tim,Serif;}</style><p data-no-id="0" class="body-text css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><em>Back 2006—more than a before the duo beme the stars of our seri </em><style data-emotn="css 9cezh6">{-webk-text-ratn:unrle;text-ratn:unrle;text-ratn-thickns:0.0625rem;text-ratn-lor:her;text-unrle-offset:0.25rem;lor:#E61957;-webk-transn:all 0.3s ease--out;transn:all 0.3s ease--out;}{lor:#595959;text-ratn-lor:borr-lk-body-hover;}</style><a href=" target="_blank" data-vars-ga-outbound-lk=" data-vars-ga-ux-element="Hyperlk" data-vars-ga-ll-to-actn="The OG Chronicl" class="body-lk css-9cezh6 et3p2gv0">The OG Chronicl</a>—<em>Oprah and Gayle sat down for their first -pth terview about their iendship wh </em>O<em>'s wrer at large Lisa Kogan. Read the full story below.</em></p><style data-emotn="css 18pb4rg">{borr:0;borr-bottom:th solid black;marg:1.875rem 0;clear:both;}</style><hr data-no-id="1" class="css-18pb4rg et3p2gv0" /><style data-emotn="css hxci">{font-fay:Charter,Geia,Tim,Serif;font-size:1.1875rem;le-height:1.6;}{float:left;text-transform:upperse;font-weight:bold;marg-right:0.9375rem;marg-bottom:-0.625rem;marg-top:0;}{font-fay:Juana,Geia,Tim,Serif;font-size:3.8431rem;font-weight:300;le-height:1;}@-moz-document url-prefix(){{marg-top:0.625rem;}}@media(max-width: 64rem){{font-size:6.25rem;le-height:0.9;}}@media(m-width: 48rem){{font-size:6.25rem;le-height:0.9;}}@media(m-width: 64rem){{font-size:7.87499rem;le-height:0.9;}} strong{font-fay:Charter,Geia,Tim,Serif;font-weight:bold;} em{font-style:alic;font-fay:Charter,Geia,Tim,Serif;}</style><p data-no-id="2" class="body-dropp css-hxci et3p2gv0">After 30 years of four-tim-a-day phone lls, Oprah and Gayle s down for a nice, long, startlgly hont chat—about their iendship, those tabloid mors (who uld fet that night the Bahamas? Not the bellboy), what Oprah <em>really </em>thought at Gayle's weddg, and why they are still "more or ls the same people." <em>O</em> lumnist Lisa Kogan listens . When the photographer begs clickg away, Oprah Wey and her bt iend, Gayle Kg, will be impecbly operative. They'll pose, they'll perlate, they'll she. They've been shot before. </p><p data-no-id="3" class="body-text css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">But for jt a moment on a geo day New York Cy, the two women who've spent 30 years nstant nversatn, who've stuck together through fame and fortune, kids and dogs, marriage and divorce, miskirts and shoulr pads, are happy to be quiet together. <br /><br />"What?" Oprah asks as Gayle plucks at a wisp of her pal's hair. "I miss the curls," Gayle answers. This is not news. "Gayle don't like my hair, but that's okay 'e I do," Oprah tells me. <br /><br />"So, that's allowed?" I venture. "It's fe to cricize each other's looks?" <br /><br />"Sure," Gayle says. "I tried growg out my bangs a few months ago, and Oprah hated ."<br /><br />"Yeah, that was bad," Oprah says, "but then I thought, "<em>Hey, I don't have to sleep wh her.</em>" Now, if we were sleepg together, 'd be like [<em> her bt Barry Whe voice</em> ], "Baby, I want the bangs...." </p><p data-no-id="4" class="body-text css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">And on that note, the terview begs. <br /></p><hr data-no-id="5" class="css-18pb4rg et3p2gv0" /><p data-no-id="6" class="body-text css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Lisa:</strong> Well, let's get right to ! Every time I tell somebody, "I'm terviewg Oprah and Gayle," the rponse is always the same: "Oh. [Long pse] Are know...together?" <br /><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong> You're kiddg. People are still sayg that? <br /><br /><strong>Lisa:</strong> Every sgle person. And I say, "No, I don't thk so." And variably, they rpond wh somethg like "You know, you're very naive."<br /><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong> I unrstand why people thk we're gay. There isn't a fn our culture for this kd of bond between women. So I get why people have to label —how n you be this close whout beg sexual? How else n you expla a level of timacy where someone <em>always</em> lov you, <em>always</em> rpects you, admir you? </p><p data-no-id="7" class="body-text css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Gayle:</strong> Wants the bt for you.</p><style data-emotn="css gv3b6u">{--data-embed-display:flex;-webk-align-ems:center;-webk-box-align:center;-ms-flex-align:center;align-ems:center;display:-webk-box;display:-webk-flex;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;marg-bottom:0.9375rem;}@media(m-width: 20rem){{clear:both;marg-left:to;marg-right:to;width:100%;}}@media(m-width: 30rem){{clear:both;marg-left:to;marg-right:to;width:100%;}}@media(m-width: 40.625rem){{width:70%;marg-right:1rem;marg-left:0rem;float:left;clear:left;}}@media(m-width: 48rem){{width:70%;marg-right:1rem;marg-left:0rem;float:left;clear:left;}}@media(m-width: 64rem){{width:60%;marg-right:1rem;marg-left:0rem;float:left;clear:left;}}@media(m-width: 73.75rem){{width:60%;marg-right:1rem;marg-left:lc(-30% - 1rem);float:left;clear:left;}}@media(m-width: 75rem){{width:60%;marg-right:1rem;marg-left:lc(-30% - 1rem);float:left;clear:left;}}@media(m-width: 90rem){{width:60%;marg-right:1rem;marg-left:lc(-30% - 1rem);float:left;clear:left;}} a span{right:1rem;} img{width:to;height:85vh;} a{display:-webk-le-box;display:-webk-le-flex;display:-ms-le-flexbox;display:le-flex;posn:var(--posn, relative);} img:not(.ewcw41w1){display:block;width:100%;height:to;-webk-align-self:flex-start;-ms-flex-em-align:flex-start;align-self:flex-start;}</style><div size="large" data-embed="body-image" data-no-id="8" class="align-left size-large embed css-gv3b6u e1xqj1sx4"><style data-emotn="css uwraif">{width:100%;display:-webk-le-box;display:-webk-le-flex;display:-ms-le-flexbox;display:le-flex;-webk-flex-directn:lumn;-ms-flex-directn:lumn;flex-directn:lumn;marg-left:to;marg-right:to;-webk-box-pack:center;-ms-flex-pack:center;-webk-jtify-ntent:center;jtify-ntent:center;}</style><div class="css-uwraif e1xqj1sx3"><img alt="First Anniversary Celebratn of "O" Magaze" tle="First Anniversary Celebratn of "O" Magaze" loadg="lazy" width="706" height="1024" dg="async" data-nimg="1" style="lor: transparent; width: 100%; height: to;" siz="100vw" srcSet=" 640w, 980w, 1120w, 1200w, 1920w" src="" class="css-0 exi4f7p0" /><style data-emotn="css 78jldq">{paddg-left:0rem;}</style><div class="css-78jldq e1xqj1sx2"><style data-emotn="css okwyab">{width:0;m-width:100%;paddg-top:0.625rem;font-fay:Gilroy,Helveti,Arial,Sans-serif;font-size:0.8125rem;le-height:1.2;} em, i{font-fay:her;font-style:alic;} em{font-style:alic;font-fay:CharterItalic,Geia,Tim,Serif;}</style><div class="css-okwyab e1xqj1sx1">Oprah and Gayle at the One Year Anniversary of <em>O Magaze </em> 2000<em></em>.</div><figptn class="css-1am3yn9 enfs9c50"><span class="css-1sepnu9 e6iqd2">Carmen Vals</span></figptn></div></div></div><p data-no-id="9" class="body-text css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Oprah:</strong> Wants the bt for you every sgle suatn of your life. Lifts you up. Supports you. <em>Always!</em> That's an credibly rare thg between even the clost of iends.<br /><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong> The tth is, if we were gay, we would so tell you, bee there's nothg wrong wh beg gay. <br /><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong> Yeah. But for people to still be askg the qutn, when I've said and said and said , that means they thk I'm a liar. And that bothers me. <br /><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong> Well, particularly given how open you've been about everythg else your life.<br /><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong> I've told nearly everythg there is to tell. All my stuff is out there. People thk I'd be so ashamed of beg gay that I wouldn't adm ? Oh, please. <br /><br /><strong>Lisa:</strong> Do the mors bother you, Gayle? <br /><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong> Not anymore, but I ed to say, "Oprah, you have to do somethg. It's hard enough for me to get a date on a Saturday night. You've got to go on the air and stop !" And then you realize you really n't stop . And, you know, somebody ma a good pot: "Well, every time we see you, you're together," which is te.<br /><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong> We were jt down the Bahamas—I was givg a weddg for my niece there. And we're havg this big party my sue. And who walkg —<br /><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong> Wh my suse.<br /><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong> Wh her suse! And I knew what all the waers, what everybody was thkg: <em>"They're gay. This prov . Has to be, bee Stedman isn't around." </em><br /></p><p data-no-id="10" class="body-text css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"> <strong>Gayle:</strong> And sure enough, the tabloid headle was OPRAH'S HIDEAWAY WITH GAL PAL. Ridiculo. But that said, I have to adm, if Oprah were a man, I would marry her. <br /><br /><strong>Lisa:</strong> Sorry, Gayle, I jt don't buy . Everyone knows Oprah's not tall enough for you. <br /><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong> She has a pot.<br /><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong> I do like 'em big. <br /></p><p data-no-id="11" class="body-text css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Oprah:</strong> The tth is, no matter where I am, whether Stedman is there or not, Gayle's the other room. I mean, she's always g and askg, "Whatcha do'?" <br /><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong> I really do marvel at this, bee if Stedman didn't accept me, would be very difficult for to be iends. <br /><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong> See, that would never be a qutn for me. If you don't like my bt iend, then you don't like me. That's not negotiable. Smokg is nonnegotiable. It's jt a al breaker. Not likg my bt iend—fet ! Or my dogs—you gots to go! [<em>Lghter</em>] </p><style data-emotn="css 1736von">{--data-embed-display:flex;-webk-align-ems:center;-webk-box-align:center;-ms-flex-align:center;align-ems:center;clear:both;display:-webk-box;display:-webk-flex;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;marg-bottom:0.9375rem;marg-left:to;marg-right:to;width:100%;}@media(m-width: 20rem){{width:100%;marg:0 to 0.9375rem;}}@media(m-width: 30rem){{width:100%;marg:0 to 0.9375rem;}}@media(m-width: 40.625rem){{width:100%;marg:0 to 0.9375rem;}}@media(m-width: 48rem){{width:100%;marg:0 to 0.9375rem;}}@media(m-width: 64rem){{width:100%;marg:0 to 0.9375rem;}}@media(m-width: 73.75rem){{width:100%;marg:0 to 0.9375rem;}}@media(m-width: 75rem){{width:100%;marg:0 to 0.9375rem;}}@media(m-width: 90rem){{width:100%;marg:0 to 0.9375rem;}} a span{right:1rem;} img{width:to;height:85vh;} a{display:-webk-le-box;display:-webk-le-flex;display:-ms-le-flexbox;display:le-flex;posn:var(--posn, relative);} img:not(.ewcw41w1){display:block;width:100%;height:to;-webk-align-self:flex-start;-ms-flex-em-align:flex-start;align-self:flex-start;}</style><div size="medium" data-embed="body-image" data-no-id="12" class="align-center size-medium embed css-1736von e1xqj1sx4"><div class="css-uwraif e1xqj1sx3"><img alt="The 21st Annual Daytime Emmy Awards" tle="The 21st Annual Daytime Emmy Awards" loadg="lazy" width="1993" height="3000" dg="async" data-nimg="1" style="lor: transparent; width: 100%; height: to;" siz="100vw" srcSet=" 640w, 980w, 1120w, 1200w, 1920w" src="" class="css-0 exi4f7p0" /><style data-emotn="css swqnqv">@media(m-width: 20rem){{paddg-left:0rem;}}@media(m-width: 30rem){{paddg-left:0rem;}}@media(m-width: 40.625rem){{paddg-left:0rem;}}@media(m-width: 48rem){{paddg-left:0rem;}}@media(m-width: 64rem){{paddg-left:0rem;}}@media(m-width: 73.75rem){{paddg-left:0rem;}}@media(m-width: 75rem){{paddg-left:0rem;}}@media(m-width: 90rem){{paddg-left:0rem;}}</style><div class="css-swqnqv e1xqj1sx2"><div class="css-okwyab e1xqj1sx1">Stedman, Oprah, and Gayle 1994.</div><figptn class="css-1am3yn9 enfs9c50"><span class="css-1sepnu9 e6iqd2">Jim Smeal</span></figptn></div></div></div><p data-no-id="13" class="body-text css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Lisa:</strong> Oprah, how did you feel when Gayle got married? <br /><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong> Actually, I was a ltle sad. Did I ever tell you that? Mostly bee I jt didn't thk was gog to work out.<br /><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong> You didn't? You never told me that.<br /><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong> No— didn't feel joyful. You know how you go to weddgs and they're full of joy?<br /><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong> Wa a mute! You didn't thk was gog to work out <em>at the weddg</em>?<br /><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong> There are some weddgs you go to, and you're jt filled wh all this hope for the uple. And you feel that there's somethg special gog on. I didn't feel that at yours.</p><p data-no-id="14" class="body-text css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Gayle:</strong> But you were my maid of honor! <br /></p><p data-no-id="15" class="body-text css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Oprah:</strong> Y, but jt felt kd of piful. I never told you bee wasn't my place to say that. <br /><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong> I wouldn't have believed you anyway.<br /><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong> No. And also bee I felt like, well, maybe 's jt me beg jealo. Maybe I uldn't feel the joy bee I was feelg like our iendship was gog to change. But didn't. </p><p data-no-id="16" class="body-text css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Lisa:</strong> What about when you had a baby, Gayle? <br /><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong> Nothg really changed between . Oprah was there. She me shortly after Kirby was born. She me shortly after Will was born. She was <em>there.</em> <br /><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong> I thought would change jt terms of time. But my gift to her was a full-time nanny. <br /><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong> Right. The kids are 11 months apart, and Oprah go, "I got you the perfect gift." And I'm thkg, "<em>Oh, good. She's givg me a double stroller.</em>" Back then double strollers were very expensive. But the gift turned out to be a nanny! She said, "I want to pay the nanny's salary for as long as you feel you need her." </p><div supprsHydratnWarng data-no-id="17" data-embed="pullquote" class="embed css-0 e9hzx6g0"><style data-emotn="css 1eiql25">{text-align:center;marg:0rem;paddg-top:0.9375rem;paddg-bottom:0.9375rem;}</style><blockquote class="css-1eiql25 e1pe3zr91"><style data-emotn="css 1um4foy">{ntent:'“';display:block;font-fay:Juana,Geia,Tim,Serif;font-size:4.375rem;le-height:1.1;font-weight:300;height:2.25rem;marg-bottom:1.2rem;}</style><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-1um4foy eagam8p0"></span><style data-emotn="css aqnz0y">{font-fay:Juana,Geia,Tim,Serif;font-size:1.625rem;font-weight:300;letter-spacg:0.01em;le-height:1.2;marg:0rem;text-transform:upperse;}@media(max-width: 64rem){{font-size:2.25rem;le-height:1;}}@media(m-width: 48rem){{font-size:2.375rem;le-height:1;}}@media(m-width: 64rem){{font-size:2.75rem;le-height:1;}} b, strong{font-fay:her;font-weight:bold;} em, i{font-fay:her;font-style:alic;}</style><blockquote class="css-aqnz0y e1pe3zr90">I admire a lot of thgs about Gayle. But when I thk about the way she raised her kids, that mak me weepy.</blockquote><style data-emotn="css 5cb97h">{ntent:'”';display:block;font-fay:Juana,Geia,Tim,Serif;font-size:4.375rem;le-height:1.1;font-weight:300;height:2.25rem;marg-top:0.9375rem;}</style><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-5cb97h eagam8p1"></span></blockquote></div><p data-no-id="18" class="body-text css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"> <strong>Oprah:</strong> She kept that nanny for like seven or eight years. But what I love is that even as a workg-outsi-the-home mom, she was always there to put her kids to bed. She said, "I want my face to be the first face my kids see when they wake up and the last thg they see at night." So wasn't like the nanny me and— <br /><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong> Replaced me.<strong><br /></strong></p><p data-no-id="19" class="body-text css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Oprah:</strong> I admire a lot of thgs about Gayle. But when I thk about the way she raised her kids, that mak me weepy. <br /><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong> Why weepy? That's so surprisg to me.<br /><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong> Maybe I haven't said to you very often, but I say to other people all the time. Gayle is the bt mother I have ever seen, heard, or read about. She was always 100 percent there for those kids—to this day. We'd be on the phone, the middle of a nversatn, and the kids would enter the room. This jt happened last week, and her son's 19. She go, "Hi, Willser. You got your Willser face on. Mommy lov you. Good morng, Bear. Hi, Kirby-Cak." She stopped the nversatn to greet them and let them know that they were seen and heard. And then she me back to the phone and rried on the nversatn. <br /><br />The kids have grown up wh such love and support om Gayle, and also om Gayle's ex-hband. I love the way she unrstood that though the marriage was not gog to work, her hband still need to have a space to mata a strong relatnship wh the kids. That tak a <em>real</em> woman. It's always, always, always been about what's bt for her children.</p><div size="medium" data-embed="body-image" data-no-id="20" class="align-center size-medium embed css-1736von e1xqj1sx4"><div class="css-uwraif e1xqj1sx3"><img alt="Flnt Your Flirt: A Benef for VH1 Save The Mic - July 28, 2006" tle="Flnt Your Flirt: A Benef for VH1 Save The Mic - July 28, 2006" loadg="lazy" width="1024" height="734" dg="async" data-nimg="1" style="lor: transparent; width: 100%; height: to;" siz="100vw" srcSet=" 640w, 980w, 1120w, 1200w, 1920w" src="" class="css-0 exi4f7p0" /><div class="css-swqnqv e1xqj1sx2"><div class="css-okwyab e1xqj1sx1">Gayle, Will, and Kirby. </div><figptn class="css-1am3yn9 enfs9c50"><span class="css-1sepnu9 e6iqd2">Johnny Nunez</span></figptn></div></div></div><p data-no-id="21" class="body-text css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><br /><br /> Years ago when Oprah was thkg of leavg the show, she said, "You should move to Chigo, and we'll rporate you to the show. And then at the end of the year, I'll pass the baton on to you—but you'd have to move to Chigo." And I said, "I n't do that bee Billy wouldn't be able to see the kids on a regular basis." <br /> I said, "Do you realize what I'm offerg?" <br /> And I go, "Yeah, I do." But the kids were young, and I jt said, "No, I n't do that." <br /> That's why she's the bt, and her kids are the bt. Her kids are my godchildren. There are shots of me ridg around on all fours wh Kirby—you know, playg horsey and stuff. I remember when William first me to the farm: He was nng around sayg, "Auntie O, you have a pool a wacuzzi? Can you afford all this?"<br /><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong><br />The kids ma a lot of noise, and there were all kds of bright yellow plastic thgs that ma noise. And the TV was on and the same vio was playg over and over and over. But Gayle helped me adjt.</p><p data-no-id="22" class="body-text css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Gayle:</strong><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong><em>and</em><br />When he was ltle, ltle, ltle, I had all the antique Shaker box. He was stackg 'em like—<br /> Blocks.<br /> And knockg 'em over. I went, "William! Put those box down!" The kids weren't ed to anybody raisg their voice—they were never spanked or yelled at. So he was like, wacuzzi or no wacuzzi, I'm outta here. And he told his mommy, "I want to go home." <br /><br /></p><p data-no-id="23" class="body-text css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Gayle:</strong> I'm always kd of taken aback, Lisa, when Oprah talks about me and the kids, bee I see a lot of mothers who feel about their children the way I feel about me.<br /><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong> But they don't always have kids who turn out the way yours have. Everybody wants to raise good people, not jt smart people at Ivy League schools and all that but good people. You have to be a good person to raise good people. <br /><br /><strong>Lisa:</strong> Do you two talk every sgle day? <br /><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong> We ually talk three or four tim a day. <br /><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong> Then there's my night ll. When she was on vatn wh her sisters, and we hadn't had a nversatn, I realized I felt far more strsed. I've never had a day's therapy, but I always had my night nversatns wh Gayle. <br /><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong> We talk about everythg and anythg. </p><div supprsHydratnWarng data-no-id="24" data-embed="pullquote" class="embed css-0 e9hzx6g0"><blockquote class="css-1eiql25 e1pe3zr91"><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-1um4foy eagam8p0"></span><blockquote class="css-aqnz0y e1pe3zr90">Gayle is more exced about my succs than I am.</blockquote><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-5cb97h eagam8p1"></span></blockquote></div><p data-no-id="25" class="body-text css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Oprah:</strong> What was on the show, what the person was wearg. What I really thought, what she really thought. <br /><br /><strong>Lisa:</strong> Let me shift gears. It feels as if people are always tryg to enlist my help gettg some kd of a letter to you, Oprah—and 's ually for a worthy e. But I was thkg, Gayle, you mt get that every hour of every day. <br /><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong> Well, I know what Oprah would be terted hearg and what she wouldn't, and, you know, I've figured out a way to polely cle. But I love that people love her so much and are so terted munitg wh her, so I never look at as a hassle or burn. <br /><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong> She handl . It's one of the thgs that's so amazg about this iendship. Gayle is more exced about my succs than I am. It mak her genuely happy. We've been iends sce I was makg $22,000 and she was makg $12,000. We've ma this journey together. </p><p data-no-id="26" class="body-text css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Gayle:</strong> Not much has changed, except now she's makg a stratospheric salary. [<em>Lghter</em>]</p><div size="medium" data-embed="body-image" data-no-id="27" class="align-center size-medium embed css-1736von e1xqj1sx4"><div class="css-uwraif e1xqj1sx3"><img alt="Merces-Benz Fashn Week Sprg Collectns 2003 - Vera Wang - Front Row" tle="Merces-Benz Fashn Week Sprg Collectns 2003 - Vera Wang - Front Row" loadg="lazy" width="2001" height="3000" dg="async" data-nimg="1" style="lor: transparent; width: 100%; height: to;" siz="100vw" srcSet=" 640w, 980w, 1120w, 1200w, 1920w" src="" class="css-0 exi4f7p0" /><div class="css-swqnqv e1xqj1sx2"><div class="css-okwyab e1xqj1sx1">Oprah and Gayle 2003.</div><figptn class="css-1am3yn9 enfs9c50"><span class="css-1sepnu9 e6iqd2">Dimrs Kambouris</span></figptn></div></div></div><p data-no-id="28" class="body-text css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><br /><br /> The first time Gayle spent the night at my hoe was bee there was a snowstorm and she uldn't get home. She was a productn assistant and I was the 6 o'clock anchor Baltimore. <br /> Anchors and PA's do not socialize—the newsroom hierarchy. <br /> But I said, "You n stay at my hoe." The next day, we went to the mall. </p><p data-no-id="29" class="body-text css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Oprah:</strong><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong><strong><br /></strong></p><p data-no-id="30" class="body-text css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Gayle:</strong> Remember Casual Corner? They had those two for $19.99 sal.<br /><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong> I end up buyg two sweaters.<br /><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong> I had to ll my mother and say, "You know my iend Oprah? Gus what? She bought <em>two</em> sweaters!" I was to layaway back then, for one sweater. [<em>Lghter</em>]<br /><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong> Years later, for my 42nd birthday, we were Miami, and I cid I was gog to buy myself a birthday prent. So we were on our way to the mall, and we pass a r alership where I spot a black Bentley the lot. I'm like, "Oh my God, that is the most betiful r." So we pull over and I go and buy that Bentley right on the spot. And I say to Gayle, "This is a Casual Corner moment." <br /><br />They get all cleaned up, and 's a nvertible. The top is down, and gus what? It starts to ra. It's pourg. <br /><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong> And I say, "Shouldn't we put the top up?" </p><div supprsHydratnWarng data-no-id="31" data-embed="pullquote" class="embed css-0 e9hzx6g0"><blockquote class="css-1eiql25 e1pe3zr91"><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-1um4foy eagam8p0"></span><blockquote class="css-aqnz0y e1pe3zr90">I knew she was talented, certaly, but who would've thought that would get this big? </blockquote><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-5cb97h eagam8p1"></span></blockquote></div><p data-no-id="32" class="body-text css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><br /><br /> "No. Bee I want to ri a nvertible on my birthday!" Anyway, Gayle was like, "You're gog to buy that right now? Shouldn't you thk about this or try to negotiate a better al?" I said, "Gayle, that's the same thg you said when I bought the two sweaters."<br /> What's that Pl Simon lyric? "After chang upon chang, we are more or ls the same." <br /> The sle got larger. I mean, you need a moment of silence every time I wre a check for my e tax. <br /> I n't even wrap my head around all this. I knew she was talented, certaly, but who would've thought that would get this big? <br /> One of my favore moments was about ten, 12 years ago when we were Race, Wisns. We're ught a traffic jam bee everyone was head to the ncert hall where I was speakg, and Gayle says, "Where are all the people gog?" We pull up to the venue, and Gayle go, "What's gog on here?" <br /> The ps were led up, double rows. <br /> Gayle's gog, "Who's here? Who's here?" I go, "I am, you nw!" <br /> "You mean all the people are g to see you?" I uld not believe . That was the first time h me. <br /> Gayle, when you started at the magaze, did eher of you worry that workg for Oprah might change the dynamic between you? </p><p data-no-id="33" class="body-text css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Oprah:</strong><br /><strong>Lisa:</strong><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong><br /><strong>Lisa:</strong></p><div size="medium" data-embed="body-image" data-no-id="34" class="align-center size-medium embed css-1736von e1xqj1sx4"><div class="css-uwraif e1xqj1sx3"><img alt=""Live Your Bt Life Walk" Celebratg The 10th Anniversary of O Magaze" tle=""Live Your Bt Life Walk" Celebratg The 10th Anniversary of O Magaze" loadg="lazy" width="1761" height="3000" dg="async" data-nimg="1" style="lor: transparent; width: 100%; height: to;" siz="100vw" srcSet=" 640w, 980w, 1120w, 1200w, 1920w" src="" class="css-0 exi4f7p0" /><div class="css-swqnqv e1xqj1sx2"><div class="css-okwyab e1xqj1sx1">Gayle and Oprah 2010.</div><figptn class="css-1am3yn9 enfs9c50"><span class="css-1sepnu9 e6iqd2">Jemal Counts</span></figptn></div></div></div><p data-no-id="35" class="body-text css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><br /><br /> I wasn't worried. I don't thk Oprah was, eher. But people did say, "Oh God, you should work wh your iend." </p><p data-no-id="36" class="body-text css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Gayle:</strong><em>never</em><br /></p><p data-no-id="37" class="body-text css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Oprah:</strong> But that's how I know people don't unrstand this relatnship, bee other people's fn of "iend" isn't what ours is. Jt the other day, I was dog a show about when your bt iend is sleepg wh your hband. The ultimate betrayal. Well, that is not possible this relatnship.<br /><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong> What I know for sure: <a href=" target="_blank" data-vars-ga-outbound-lk=" data-vars-ga-ux-element="Hyperlk" data-vars-ga-ll-to-actn="I will never sleep wh Stedman" class="body-lk css-9cezh6 et3p2gv0">I will never sleep wh Stedman</a>.<br /><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong> What did you ed to say, "If you ever fd me the bed wh Stedman—"<br /><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong> "Don't even be mad. Jt sop me up and get me to a hospal, bee you will know I'm very ill."<br /><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong> "Carry me tenrly out the door." [<em>Lghter</em>]<br /><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong> So people ask, "But how n you work for a iend?" I say 's bee I know that the magaze is lled <em>O.</em> The bottom le is somebody has to have the fal word. Oprah's not right all the time, but her rerd is pretty damn good. That's not to say you n't disagree. <br /><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong> That's why Gayle's so great for me at the magaze—she's gog to have almost exactly the same opn that I do. But when she don't agree, she'll fight for her opn as though there were a <em>G</em> on that magaze. We have "disagree," and we have "strongly disagree." If Gayle strongly, strongly feels somethg about somebody—<br /><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong> It giv her pse.<br /><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong> It giv me pse, bee she's been my—she's apple pie and Chevrolet. She lov everybody. So if there's somebody she don't like, that will get my attentn bee she's tly everybody's iend—far iendlier than I am. I would not ll myself a iendly person.<br /><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong> I'm very social.<br /><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong> I'm not social. Nor am I all that iendly.<br /><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong> All Oprah needs is a good book. My only requt when she's buildg any hoe is, "Could I please have a TV my bedroom?" She go, "You're the only one who plas about not havg a TV the bedroom." I go, "Well, everybody thks , they jt don't want to say to you." <br /><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong> I don't have TVs any bedroom except Gayle's. In my hoe, there's a Gayle wg.<br /><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong> I don't want to offend her, but I'm never aaid to be tthful wh her. <br /><br /><strong>Lisa:</strong> So I'm hearg about differenc. What are the siari? <br /><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong> We beme iends that first night bee for the first time, I met somebody who I felt was like me. I'd never met anybody like that. Certaly not another Black girl. I grew up an all-whe muny. I remember gettg embarrassed fourth gra when a boy my class named Wayne said, "If weren't for Abraham Lln, you'd be my slave." I n remember that very clearly. Oprah and I had the same sensibili. We liked the same kd of mic. We thought smart—<br /><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong> Smart and articulate—<br /><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong> Was not a bad thg.<br /><br /></p><div supprsHydratnWarng data-no-id="38" data-embed="pullquote" class="embed css-0 e9hzx6g0"><blockquote class="css-1eiql25 e1pe3zr91"><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-1um4foy eagam8p0"></span><blockquote class="css-aqnz0y e1pe3zr90">We didn't f to everybody else's perceptn of what 's like to be a Black girl.</blockquote><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-5cb97h eagam8p1"></span></blockquote></div><p data-no-id="39" class="body-text css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Oprah:</strong> We were the only Black girls our schools, and I was the only Black girl my class who loved Neil Diamond. So when you're around Black folks, and they say, "Who's your favore sger—"<br /><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong> I liked Barry Manilow.<br /><br /><strong>Lisa:</strong> Neil Diamond and Barry Manilow? You guys were ma for each other. <br /><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong> [<em>Lghter</em>] It's that whole beg-the-odd-girl-out thg—we didn't f to everybody else's perceptn of what 's like to be a Black girl.<br /><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong> But we still had a very strong sense of beg Black and were very proud of beg Black. So to meet another Black girl like that was, wow! And we were the same age, we were both sgle, and we jt immediately bond.<br /><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong> But she was clearly upper middle class, and I was clearly om a very poor background. Gayle had a pool growg up!<br /><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong> I had a swimmg pool, a maid. We grew up very, very well.<br /><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong> She had a maid. My mother <em>was</em> a maid. You know what I'm sayg? I'd never met a Black person wh a maid. It was like, "Lord, really? At your hoe?" </p><p data-no-id="40" class="body-text css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Gayle:</strong> So that's how we beme iends that first night, and we've been iends ever sce.<br /><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong> See, we were always together the newsroom. I remember when they cid to fire me— <br /><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong> Not fire, mote.<br /><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong> They wanted to fire me, but they uldn't bee of the ntract. My $22,000 ntract. [<em>Lghter</em>] <br /><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong> They had n a big mpaign: "What is an Oprah?"<br /><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong> I'd been on the air, startg September. By April they cid wasn't workg, bee the anchorman—<br /><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong> Didn't like you.<br /><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong> But I didn't know . I was so naive. The day they cid that they were gog to take me off the 6 o'clock news, I said to Gayle—<br /><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong> I'm jt typg away at my sk. She go, "Get the bathroom <em>now!</em>" <br /><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong> We'd always meet the bathroom. We were, like, "Oh my God. Do you thk Jerry Turner knows?" Of urse, Jerry Turner was the ma anchor who was kickg my ass out, but we didn't know that. Jerry was like, "Babe, I don't even know what happened, babe." You know, "Sorry, babe."</p><div supprsHydratnWarng data-no-id="41" data-embed="pullquote" class="embed css-0 e9hzx6g0"><blockquote class="css-1eiql25 e1pe3zr91"><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-1um4foy eagam8p0"></span><blockquote class="css-aqnz0y e1pe3zr90">God clos a door and then opens a wdow. </blockquote><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-5cb97h eagam8p1"></span></blockquote></div><p data-no-id="42" class="body-text css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Gayle:</strong> I was stunned.<br /><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong> It's like your life is over. <br /><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong> You were gog to see your dad that next day.<br /><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong> And that was the harst thg, bee I'd never failed ont of my father.<br /><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong> He was so proud of you.</p><style data-emotn="css 1mtk2uq">{--data-embed-display:flex;-webk-align-ems:center;-webk-box-align:center;-ms-flex-align:center;align-ems:center;display:-webk-box;display:-webk-flex;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;marg-bottom:0.9375rem;}@media(m-width: 20rem){{clear:both;marg-left:to;marg-right:to;width:100%;}}@media(m-width: 30rem){{clear:both;marg-left:to;marg-right:to;width:100%;}}@media(m-width: 40.625rem){{width:70%;marg-left:1rem;marg-right:0rem;float:right;clear:right;}}@media(m-width: 48rem){{width:70%;marg-left:1rem;marg-right:0rem;float:right;clear:right;}}@media(m-width: 64rem){{width:60%;marg-left:1rem;marg-right:0rem;float:right;clear:right;}}@media(m-width: 73.75rem){{width:60%;marg-left:1rem;marg-right:lc(-30% - 1rem);float:right;clear:right;}}@media(m-width: 75rem){{width:60%;marg-left:1rem;marg-right:lc(-30% - 1rem);float:right;clear:right;}}@media(m-width: 90rem){{width:60%;marg-left:1rem;marg-right:lc(-30% - 1rem);float:right;clear:right;}} a span{right:1rem;} img{width:to;height:85vh;} a{display:-webk-le-box;display:-webk-le-flex;display:-ms-le-flexbox;display:le-flex;posn:var(--posn, relative);} img:not(.ewcw41w1){display:block;width:100%;height:to;-webk-align-self:flex-start;-ms-flex-em-align:flex-start;align-self:flex-start;}</style><div size="large" data-embed="body-image" data-no-id="43" class="align-right size-large embed css-1mtk2uq e1xqj1sx4"><div class="css-uwraif e1xqj1sx3"><img alt="Oprah Wey Receiv NAB 2004 Distguished Service Award" tle="Oprah Wey Receiv NAB 2004 Distguished Service Award" loadg="lazy" width="749" height="1024" dg="async" data-nimg="1" style="lor: transparent; width: 100%; height: to;" siz="100vw" srcSet=" 640w, 980w, 1120w, 1200w, 1920w" src="" class="css-0 exi4f7p0" /><div class="css-78jldq e1xqj1sx2"><div class="css-okwyab e1xqj1sx1">Gayle and Oprah 2004.</div><figptn class="css-1am3yn9 enfs9c50"><span class="css-1sepnu9 e6iqd2">Mathew Imagg</span></figptn></div></div></div><p data-no-id="44" class="body-text css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><br /><br /> It was vastatg. But God clos a door and then opens a wdow. If I hadn't been removed om the news, the whole talk show thg would have never happened. But I didn't know that then. It was like the end of the world. You are the 6 o'clock ma anchor, and there's been this huge promotnal mpaign. But I learned om that. When I me to Chigo, I said, "I will not have a big ad mpaign. I will earn the rpect and credibily of each viewer. I will not set myself up to fail." <br /> Gayle, has Oprah ever said anythg about you on the air that advertently crossed the privacy le? For example, when I was pregnant, I had the show on, and— <br /> Oh, I know, I know, I know. When she said I pooped all over the table durg the birth. People lerally stopped me on the street after that one.<br /> You know, retrospect I might have thought a ltle more before sayg that. But I was talkg about pregnancy, what actually happens—and that's one of the thgs people never tell you. She go, "Well, listen—"<br /> "Next time you're talkg about shtg on a table, keep my name out of !" I was a news anchor by then: "I'm Gayle Kg, Eyewns News." And I'd get people sayg, "Y, I saw you on the news—I didn't know you pooped all over." [] <br /> Let's stay on bodily functns for a send. My bt iend, Brenda, and I have tablished the Sunny von Bülow pact: If somethg ever happens to one of , whoever's still mobile has to e by every three weeks and pluck any unseemly facial hair. <br /> We don't have that pact bee would happen tomatilly. <br /> My only stctns have been to go get her journals.<br /> And if somethg happens to you? <br /> I would jt want her to be volved my children's liv—always. <br /> Which we would do. Her children are my children. There's nothg I wouldn't do for her, there's nothg she wouldn't do for me. There is a le of rpect that is unspoken, on both our parts. <br /><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong></p><p data-no-id="45" class="body-text css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Oprah:</strong><br /><strong>Lisa:</strong><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong><em>Lghter</em><br /><strong>Lisa:</strong><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong><br /><strong>Lisa:</strong><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong><br />I remember once when Gayle me to my hoe: I was already makg a lot of money, and she was makg not a lot of money. And we disvered I had $422 my pocket. <br /> $482.<br /> Okay, $482. <br /> But who's untg?<br /> I had $482 jt sort of stuck to a at pocket. <br /> In your pants pocket. You know how sometim you jt fd a five? Or a 20 is like, whoo! She pulls out $482.<br /> Okay, you tell the story.</p><div supprsHydratnWarng data-no-id="46" data-embed="pullquote" class="embed css-0 e9hzx6g0"><blockquote class="css-1eiql25 e1pe3zr91"><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-1um4foy eagam8p0"></span><blockquote class="css-aqnz0y e1pe3zr90">There is a level of mutual rpect that om beg wh somebody you know don't want anythg om you but you.</blockquote><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-5cb97h eagam8p1"></span></blockquote></div><p data-no-id="47" class="body-text css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><br /><br /> In 20s. And I'd gotten to Chigo on a Super Saver ticket; you know, back when you had to buy 30 days advance for a cent price. She was livg Chigo, and I was married, and we had scrimped—I remember that once Billy and I didn't have $10 to go to the movi. He was law school and I was the only one workg. So for her to pull out $482 was like, wow! She go, "God, where'd this e om? You want ?" And I went, "Oh, no. No. I'm good. I'm fe." But I'm thkg, <em>God, that would pay the light bill, the phone bill, the gas bill."</em><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong><em>Lghter</em></p><p data-no-id="48" class="body-text css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Gayle:</strong><em>"</em> And she jt puts back. It's probably still that damn pocket. She was jt extendg a gture, jt beg nice: "Oh, you want ?"<br /> But years later, she said, "You remember that time you pulled out the $482?"<br /> I said, "I wanted that money so bad!" <br /> "I need that money so bad, but I wouldn't take ." You know what that's like? That is credible for somebody like me who liv a world where everybody wants a piece of you. I mean, people feel they serve a piece of you. Strangers thk that. <br /> Now I happily accept all gifts. [] No, but I jt wouldn't have felt right. </p><div size="medium" data-embed="body-image" data-no-id="49" class="align-center size-medium embed css-1736von e1xqj1sx4"><div class="css-uwraif e1xqj1sx3"><img alt="Ron Galella Archive - File Photos 2011" tle="Ron Galella Archive - File Photos 2011" loadg="lazy" width="964" height="1024" dg="async" data-nimg="1" style="lor: transparent; width: 100%; height: to;" siz="100vw" srcSet=" 640w, 980w, 1120w, 1200w, 1920w" src="" class="css-0 exi4f7p0" /><div class="css-swqnqv e1xqj1sx2"><div class="css-okwyab e1xqj1sx1">Oprah and Gayle 2002.</div><figptn class="css-1am3yn9 enfs9c50"><span class="css-1sepnu9 e6iqd2">Ron Galella</span></figptn></div></div></div><p data-no-id="50" class="body-text css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><br /><br /> She's never asked me for a dime. There is a level of mutual rpect that om beg wh somebody you know don't want anythg om you but you. There will never be an ulterr motive. I have to say, this would have been a much different relatnship had that ever happened. Not that I wouldn't have done , but orr to have a real iendship, you have to be equals. <br /> That's not necsarily fancial equals.<br /> No, equal rpect. I n't put myself a posn where I need you to do thgs for me, or expect you to do thgs for me wh any kd of strgs attached. <br /> Yeah, I never feel lser than, or one down. Never.<br /> But let me jt say this, too. The person who has the money has to have a genero spir. Early on, when I started to make a lot of money and we'd go shoppg, I'd say, "Look, the al is this: If you see somethg you really want, I'll get . I don't want to play this, 'No, no, no, you don't have to buy that for me,' bee I'm really willg to get for you." I do that now wh all my iends. <br /> That mak sense. Otherwise you would have all this money and nobody to enjoy wh. <br /> What you don't want is a suatn where the person always expects that you're gog to be the one to pay. Otherwise you're jt the bank, and nobody wants to be seen as an ATM mache. <br /> People ache for nnectn. <br /> They do, they really do.</p><p data-no-id="51" class="body-text css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Oprah:</strong><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong><br /><strong>Lisa:</strong><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong><br /><strong>Lisa:</strong><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong></p><p data-no-id="52" class="body-text css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Lisa:</strong> They want someone who don't have an agenda, don't see you filtered through the prism of their own needs. <br /><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong> Absolutely not. And so a way, our iendship is better than a marriage or a sexual relatnship. You know, there's no such thg as unndnal love a marriage as far as I'm ncerned, 'e let me tell you, there are some ndns. [<em>Lghter</em>] So don't ask me to give you unndnal love, bee there are certa thgs I won't tolerate. But this iendship, there isn't an expectatn bee there isn't a mol for somethg like this. There isn't a label, there isn't a fn of what this is supposed to be. It n be all that n be, and 's extraordary, terms of the level I've been able to achieve, and to have Gayle by my si as happy as I am for those acplishments.<br /><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong> My God. Sometim you don't even realize how big is. You don't. Maybe I'll get some perspective years om now, when we're stg on a porch somewhere lookg back on all. <br /><br /><strong>Lisa:</strong> Do you ever thk about who's gog first? <br /><br /><strong>Gayle:</strong> I thk about when we get old, but I n't image life whout Oprah. I really n't. I'll go first if I n be 90 and you n be 91. <br /><br /><strong>Oprah:</strong> Somethg about this relatnship feels otherworldly to me, like was signed by a power and a hand greater than my own. 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