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- EDDIE MURPHY SAYS HIS OLD STAND-UP JOK ABOUT GAY PEOPLE MAKE HIM 'CRGE': 'I N'T BELIEVE I SAID THAT'
- THE CANCELG AND UNNCELG OF EDDIE MURPHYTHE LEGENDARY EDIAN MA JOK ABOUT HOMOSEXUALS AND AIDS THE 1980S. MORE THAN 20 YEARS AGO, HE APOLOGIZED. SO WHY ARE WE STILL TALKG ABOUT ?{FONT:NORMAL 800 1.2REM/1.2 "D BOLD",SANS-SERIF;TEXT-TRANSFORM:NORMAL;LOR:HER;DISPLAY:LE-BLOCK;PADDG-BOTTOM:6PX;POSN:RELATIVE;TEXT-TRANSFORM:UPPERSE;}{BACKGROUND:#89308A;BOTTOM:0;NTENT:'';DISPLAY:BLOCK;HEIGHT:2PX;LEFT:0;POSN:ABSOLUTE;RIGHT:0;-WEBK-TRANSN:ALL 0.2S EASE;TRANSN:ALL 0.2S EASE;WIDTH:100%;}{LEFT:51%;RIGHT:51%;WIDTH:0;}{FONT:NORMAL 800 1.2REM/1.2 "D BOLD",SANS-SERIF;TEXT-TRANSFORM:NORMAL;LOR:HER;DISPLAY:LE-BLOCK;PADDG-BOTTOM:6PX;POSN:RELATIVE;TEXT-TRANSFORM:UPPERSE;}{BACKGROUND:#89308A;BOTTOM:0;NTENT:'';DISPLAY:BLOCK;HEIGHT:2PX;LEFT:0;POSN:ABSOLUTE;RIGHT:0;-WEBK-TRANSN:ALL 0.2S EASE;TRANSN:ALL 0.2S EASE;WIDTH:100%;}{LEFT:51%;RIGHT:51%;WIDTH:0;}CELEBRIBY LTER FABIAN BRATHWAEOCTOBER 1, 2019/10:42 {HEIGHT:HER;DISPLAY:-WEBK-BOX;DISPLAY:-WEBK-FLEX;DISPLAY:-MS-FLEXBOX;DISPLAY:FLEX;POSN:RELATIVE;-WEBK-FLEX-WRAP:WRAP;-MS-FLEX-WRAP:WRAP;FLEX-WRAP:WRAP;-WEBK-ALIGN-EMS:CENTER;-WEBK-BOX-ALIGN:CENTER;-MS-FLEX-ALIGN:CENTER;ALIGN-EMS:CENTER;-WEBK-BOX-PACK:CENTER;-WEBK-JTIFY-NTENT:CENTER;-MS-FLEX-PACK:CENTER;JTIFY-NTENT:CENTER;-WEBK-TRANSFORM-ORIG:CENTER;-MS-TRANSFORM-ORIG:CENTER;TRANSFORM-ORIG:CENTER;} IMG{HEIGHT:100%;WIDTH:100%;OBJECT-F:VER;}{HEIGHT:3689PX;WIDTH:4980PX;}GARY GERSHOFF/GETTY IMAGAMERIN EDIAN AND ACTOR EDDIE MURPHY PERFORMS ONSTAGE AT MADISON SQUARE GARN , NEW YORK, NEW YORK, OCTOBER 13, 1987. (PHOTO BY GARY GERSHOFF/GETTY IMAG)BY LTER FABIAN BRATHWAEOCTOBER 1, 2019 / 10:42 AM{"@NTEXT":","@TYPE":"NEWSARTICLE","HEADLE":"THE CANCELG AND UNNCELG OF EDDIE MURPHY","THUMBNAILURL":","DATEPUBLISHED":"2019-10-01T14:42:35.000+0000","DATEMODIFIED":"2019-10-01T14:42:35.000+0000","IMAGE":{"@NTEXT":","@TYPE":"IMAGEOBJECT","URL":","WIDTH":1920,"HEIGHT":1080},"URL":","THOR":{"@TYPE":"ORGANIZATN","NAME":"LOGO TV"},"MAENTYOFPAGE":{"@TYPE":"WEBPAGE","@ID":"},"PUBLISHER":{"@TYPE":"ORGANIZATN","@ID":","NAME":"LOGO TV","URL":","LOGO":{"@TYPE":"IMAGEOBJECT"}},"CREATOR":"LTER FABIAN BRATHWAE","ARTICLESECTN":"CELEBRI"}{BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}LAST WEEK, EDDIE MURPHY GAVE AN TERVIEW TO THE NEW YORK TIM TO DISCS HIS RETURN TO STAND-UP AND PROMOTE HIS NEW FILM, DOLEME IS MY NAME. MURPHY SAID HE NOW "CRG" WATCHG HIS 1980S EDY SPECIALS, REFERRG TO HIS OLD JOK ABOUT AIDS AS "IGNORANT." MURPHY HAD ALREADY PREVLY APOLOGIZED FOR HIS EARLIER MATERIAL, BUT S LATER, THE MEMORY OF THE OFFENDG CINT LGERS {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}BACK JULY, ACTOR AND SERIAL EMMY SNUBEE TS BURGS LLED OUT TALK-SHOW HOST AND BRAVO CHIEF HOMOSEXUAL ANDY COHEN FOR BEG A "MSY QUEEN" AFTER AN APPEARANCE ON WATCH WHAT HAPPENS LIVE DURG WHICH COHEN ASKED HIM ABOUT WORKG WH MURPHY ON DOLEME IS MY NAME AND RELLED THE EDIAN'S HOMOPHOBIC STAND-UP OM THE '{BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}"I WAS JT WONRG IF YOU GOT CLOSE AT ALL, BEE HE WAS VERY PROBLEMATIC FOR THE GAYS AT ONE POT," COHEN SAID TO BURGS, WHO CLAIMED THAT MURPHY "WASN'T PROBLEMATIC" FOR HIM. BURGS THEN FOLLOWED UP THE TERVIEW WH SOME INSTA-SHA, BLASTG COHEN FOR TREATG HIS TALK SHOW LIKE AN EPISO OF THE REAL HOEWIV OF ATLANTA ORR TO "REHASH OLD MORS OR BRG A STAR NEGATIVE PRS."{BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}BUT HONTLY, COHEN KD OF HAD A POT. IN THE LARGER GAY IMAGATN, MURPHY IS PROBLEMATIC. HIS TWO INIC STAND-UP SPECIALS, 1983'S DELIR AND 1987'S RAW, MAY HAVE BEEN EDIC AND CULTURAL TOUCHSTON, BUT HE ALSO ED THEM AS PLATFORMS TO RIDICULE GAY {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}IN DELIR, SPORTG A TIGHT RED LEATHER SU, MURPHY WARNS AGAST "FAGGOTS" STARG AT HIS ASS AND DO A UPLE OF (ADMTEDLY HILAR) BS ABOUT MR. T AND THE HONEYMOONERS' RALPH KRAMN AND ED NORTON BEG {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;DISPLAY:-WEBK-BOX;DISPLAY:-WEBK-FLEX;DISPLAY:-MS-FLEXBOX;DISPLAY:FLEX;-WEBK-BOX-PACK:CENTER;-WEBK-JTIFY-NTENT:CENTER;-MS-FLEX-PACK:CENTER;JTIFY-NTENT:CENTER;POSN:RELATIVE;PADDG-BOTTOM:75%;} .TWTER-TWEET-RENRED, {M-WIDTH:65%;WIDTH:TO !IMPORTANT;} {WIDTH:100%;} {MARG-LEFT:TO !IMPORTANT;MARG-RIGHT:TO !IMPORTANT;} IMG{MAX-WIDTH:100%;WIDTH:100%;} > IAME{BORR:NONE;MAX-WIDTH:100%;} > *{MAX-WIDTH:NONE !IMPORTANT;POSN:ABSOLUTE;HEIGHT:100% !IMPORTANT;WIDTH:100% !IMPORTANT;}{BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}HE ALSO DISCS THE THEN-BURGEONG AIDS CRISIS, WHICH LARGELY AFFECTED GAY MEN, SAYG THAT HE'S "PETRIFIED" OF WOMEN WHO LOVE TO HANG OUT WH GAY MEN BEE "THEY ULD BE THE CLUB HAVG FUN WH THEIR LTLE GAY IEND AND GIVE THEM A KISS AND GO HOME WH THAT AIDS ON THEIR LIPS."{BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}YIK. THAT MAK KEV HART LOOK LIKE HANNAH FUCKG {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}LATER, RAW, MURPHY ADDRS THE NTROVERSY THAT FOLLOWED HIM AFTER THE MENTS HE MA DELIR, JOKG THAT "THERE'S NOTHG LIKE A NATN OF FAGS LOOKG FOR YOU."{BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;DISPLAY:-WEBK-BOX;DISPLAY:-WEBK-FLEX;DISPLAY:-MS-FLEXBOX;DISPLAY:FLEX;-WEBK-BOX-PACK:CENTER;-WEBK-JTIFY-NTENT:CENTER;-MS-FLEX-PACK:CENTER;JTIFY-NTENT:CENTER;POSN:RELATIVE;PADDG-BOTTOM:75%;} .TWTER-TWEET-RENRED, {M-WIDTH:65%;WIDTH:TO !IMPORTANT;} {WIDTH:100%;} {MARG-LEFT:TO !IMPORTANT;MARG-RIGHT:TO !IMPORTANT;} IMG{MAX-WIDTH:100%;WIDTH:100%;} > IAME{BORR:NONE;MAX-WIDTH:100%;} > *{MAX-WIDTH:NONE !IMPORTANT;POSN:ABSOLUTE;HEIGHT:100% !IMPORTANT;WIDTH:100% !IMPORTANT;}{BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}MURPHY PPED HIS FAG B DELIR BY SAYG THAT HE "KIDS THE HOMOSEXUALS A LOT… 'E THEY'RE HOMOSEXUALS."{BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}I FUCK WH EVERYBODY. I DON'T GIVE A FUCK. IT'S LIKE, I DON'T MEAN ANYTHG BY . YOU N HANG OUT WH A GAY PERSON. GUYS, DON'T FEEL ALIENATED [OM] GAY PEOPLE BEE THEY'RE GAY. BEE YOU N PLAY TENNIS WH A GAY PERSON. REALLY, JT AFTER THE GAME, YOU SAY, "I'M GONNA GET A BEER. WHAT YOU GON' DO?" "I THK I'M GONNA GO SUCK SOMEBODY'S DICK." "WELL THEN, I'LL SEE YOU LATER. YOU GO SUCK THAT DICK, I'M GONNA HAVE A BEER." {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}NOW ALL FAIRNS, A LOT OF MY TERACTNS WH HOMOSEXUALS HAVE END THAT WAY. AND STARTED THAT WAY. BUT WHILE MURPHY CLAIMED WAS ALL GOOD FUN, FOR HIS GAY FANS WAS {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}"EVERY OTHER WORD OUT OF HIS MOUTH WAS ‘FAGGOT.’ AND WH EACH AND EVERY GAY JOKE, THE CROWD WENT WILD. THEY LOVED . MY IENDS LOVED ," COHEN WROTE HIS 2012 MEMOIR, MOST TALKATIVE, RELLG WATCHG MURPHY'S SPECIALS AS A TEEN. "I WAS SURROUND BY THOANDS OF PEOPLE HYSTERICS, AND THEY WERE ALL LGHG AT ‘FAGGOTS.’ AND IPSO FACTO, LGHG AT ME.”{BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}HOWEVER, MURPHY APOLOGIZED FOR HIS PAST HOMOPHOBIC REMARKS 1996 AFTER GAY RIGHTS ACTIVISTS SAN FRANCIS MOUNTED A PROTT DURG ONE OF HIS FILM SHOOTS. IN A PUBLIC STATEMENT, MURPHY SAID THAT HE WAS "NOT HOMOPHOBIC" OR "ANTI-GAY" AND THAT HE EPLY REGRETTED "ANY AND ALL PA" THAT HE ED, ADDG:{BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}JT LIKE THE RT OF THE WORLD, I AM MORE TED ABOUT AIDS 1996 THAN I WAS 1981. I THK IS UNFAIR TO TAKE THE WORDS OF A MISRMED 21-YEAR-OLD AND APPLY THEM TO AN RMED 35-YEAR-OLD MAN. I KNOW HOW SER AN ISSUE AIDS IS THE WORLD OVER. I KNOW THAT AIDS ISN'T FUNNY. IT'S 1996 AND I'M A LOT SMARTER ABOUT AIDS {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}THOUGH THE ACTIVISTS ACCEPTED MURPHY'S APOLOGY AND THE HUMAN RIGHTS CAMPAIGN APPLD HIS ABOUT-FACE, AS COHEN'S TERACTN WH BURGS SUGGTS, THE PUBLIC OFTEN FDS DIFFICULT TO FIVE OR FET, PARTICULARLY WHEN TO EDIANS—AND PARTICULARLY WHEN TO BLACK MALE EDIANS. THE PREVAILG MYTH BEG THAT THE BLACK MUNY, PECIALLY BLACK MEN, ARE MORE HOMOPHOBIC THAN THE RT OF SOCIETY, WHICH PLETELY NEGLECTS THE POWER STCTUR PLACE AND WHO KEEPS THEM PLACE. IT'S EVEN WORSE NOW THE AGE OF CYNICISM AND "NCEL CULTURE," WHEN THE PUBLIC'S BELIEF THE PERMANENCE OF ONE'S NCELATN PRECLUS ANY BELIEF ONE'S {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}A YEAR LATER, MURPHY GARNERED SOME MORE UNWANTED ATTENTN WHEN HE PICKED UP SHALIMAR SEIULI, A TRANS WOMAN WORKG AS A PROSTUTE. RUMORS HAD LONG DOGGED MURPHY OVER HIS SEXUAL ORIENTATN—SOME TONG THAT PERHAPS HE DOTH PROTT TOO MUCH—AND THE CINT ONLY ADD FUEL TO THE SPECULATIVE FIRE. MURPHY CLAIMED HE WAS SIMPLY GIVG HER A RI, AND WHILE HE WASN'T FOUND GUILTY OF ANY IMPROPER BEHAVR, SEIULI MANAGED TO PARLAY HER FAMY TO BRIEF, MOR FAME AS A DANCER BEFORE DYG TRAGILLY AT AGE 21 OM WHAT SEEMED TO BE AN ACCINTAL {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}SO HAVG GONE THROUGH HIS FAIR SHARE OF NCELATNS AND SNDALS OVER HIS REER, MURPHY SEEMS UNFAZED BY BACKLASH, SUCH AS THE RECENT ONE THAT LED TO THE FIRG OF THE HLY HIRED SHANE GILLIS OM MURPHY'S OLD STOMPG GROUND SATURDAY NIGHT {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}BUT EVEN IF THE TIM HAVE CHANGED, AND EDDIE MURPHY SAYS HE HAS CHANGED, DO WE LIVE A TIME WHEN BELIEF CHANGE IS EVEN POSSIBLE? I GUS THAT PENDS ON WHICH MSY QUEEN YOU'RE {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;CLEAR:BOTH;}{BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;MARG:0 TO;WIDTH:90%;M-WIDTH:288PX;MAX-WIDTH:1440PX;M-HEIGHT:194PX;}LATT NEWS
- EDDIE MURPHY SAYS PAST JOK ABOUT GAY PEOPLE MAKE HIM ‘CRGE’
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- EDDIE MURPHY SAYS PAST JOK ABOUT GAY PEOPLE MAKE HIM ‘CRGE’
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EDDIE MURPHY SAYS HIS OLD STAND-UP JOK ABOUT GAY PEOPLE MAKE HIM 'CRGE': 'I N'T BELIEVE I SAID THAT'
* eddie gay comedian *
“We all know how backward and dangero the ‘Don’t Say Gay’ laws are.
LGBTQ+ edians, like other edians om certa groups, n have their work boiled down to “gay jok” or “trans jok, ” but their sets n be and are more topilly diverse, a realy the Stand Out special reflects. I always assumed the dience would be predomantly gay or queer bee ’s all of our edy hero on the same stage and that’s never happened and edy really is such a big part of our muny. It wasn’t all gay men.
I had a long talk wh Judy Gold, not very recently, about how the early ’00s and the ’90s when you got on stage, you had to figure out when you were gog to e out and say you were a lbian, gay, queer, bi or trans. In the ’80s durg the AIDS crisis and the opprsn of Reaganism, beg an out gay male edian was like beg a unirn. That’s why when you thk of that generatn of gay male headlers, ’s very hard to thk of too many.
THE CANCELG AND UNNCELG OF EDDIE MURPHYTHE LEGENDARY EDIAN MA JOK ABOUT HOMOSEXUALS AND AIDS THE 1980S. MORE THAN 20 YEARS AGO, HE APOLOGIZED. SO WHY ARE WE STILL TALKG ABOUT ?{FONT:NORMAL 800 1.2REM/1.2 "D BOLD",SANS-SERIF;TEXT-TRANSFORM:NORMAL;LOR:HER;DISPLAY:LE-BLOCK;PADDG-BOTTOM:6PX;POSN:RELATIVE;TEXT-TRANSFORM:UPPERSE;}{BACKGROUND:#89308A;BOTTOM:0;NTENT:'';DISPLAY:BLOCK;HEIGHT:2PX;LEFT:0;POSN:ABSOLUTE;RIGHT:0;-WEBK-TRANSN:ALL 0.2S EASE;TRANSN:ALL 0.2S EASE;WIDTH:100%;}{LEFT:51%;RIGHT:51%;WIDTH:0;}{FONT:NORMAL 800 1.2REM/1.2 "D BOLD",SANS-SERIF;TEXT-TRANSFORM:NORMAL;LOR:HER;DISPLAY:LE-BLOCK;PADDG-BOTTOM:6PX;POSN:RELATIVE;TEXT-TRANSFORM:UPPERSE;}{BACKGROUND:#89308A;BOTTOM:0;NTENT:'';DISPLAY:BLOCK;HEIGHT:2PX;LEFT:0;POSN:ABSOLUTE;RIGHT:0;-WEBK-TRANSN:ALL 0.2S EASE;TRANSN:ALL 0.2S EASE;WIDTH:100%;}{LEFT:51%;RIGHT:51%;WIDTH:0;}CELEBRIBY LTER FABIAN BRATHWAEOCTOBER 1, 2019/10:42 {HEIGHT:HER;DISPLAY:-WEBK-BOX;DISPLAY:-WEBK-FLEX;DISPLAY:-MS-FLEXBOX;DISPLAY:FLEX;POSN:RELATIVE;-WEBK-FLEX-WRAP:WRAP;-MS-FLEX-WRAP:WRAP;FLEX-WRAP:WRAP;-WEBK-ALIGN-EMS:CENTER;-WEBK-BOX-ALIGN:CENTER;-MS-FLEX-ALIGN:CENTER;ALIGN-EMS:CENTER;-WEBK-BOX-PACK:CENTER;-WEBK-JTIFY-NTENT:CENTER;-MS-FLEX-PACK:CENTER;JTIFY-NTENT:CENTER;-WEBK-TRANSFORM-ORIG:CENTER;-MS-TRANSFORM-ORIG:CENTER;TRANSFORM-ORIG:CENTER;} IMG{HEIGHT:100%;WIDTH:100%;OBJECT-F:VER;}{HEIGHT:3689PX;WIDTH:4980PX;}GARY GERSHOFF/GETTY IMAGAMERIN EDIAN AND ACTOR EDDIE MURPHY PERFORMS ONSTAGE AT MADISON SQUARE GARN , NEW YORK, NEW YORK, OCTOBER 13, 1987. (PHOTO BY GARY GERSHOFF/GETTY IMAG)BY LTER FABIAN BRATHWAEOCTOBER 1, 2019 / 10:42 AM{"@NTEXT":","@TYPE":"NEWSARTICLE","HEADLE":"THE CANCELG AND UNNCELG OF EDDIE MURPHY","THUMBNAILURL":","DATEPUBLISHED":"2019-10-01T14:42:35.000+0000","DATEMODIFIED":"2019-10-01T14:42:35.000+0000","IMAGE":{"@NTEXT":","@TYPE":"IMAGEOBJECT","URL":","WIDTH":1920,"HEIGHT":1080},"URL":","THOR":{"@TYPE":"ORGANIZATN","NAME":"LOGO TV"},"MAENTYOFPAGE":{"@TYPE":"WEBPAGE","@ID":"},"PUBLISHER":{"@TYPE":"ORGANIZATN","@ID":","NAME":"LOGO TV","URL":","LOGO":{"@TYPE":"IMAGEOBJECT"}},"CREATOR":"LTER FABIAN BRATHWAE","ARTICLESECTN":"CELEBRI"}{BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}LAST WEEK, EDDIE MURPHY GAVE AN TERVIEW TO THE NEW YORK TIM TO DISCS HIS RETURN TO STAND-UP AND PROMOTE HIS NEW FILM, DOLEME IS MY NAME. MURPHY SAID HE NOW "CRG" WATCHG HIS 1980S EDY SPECIALS, REFERRG TO HIS OLD JOK ABOUT AIDS AS "IGNORANT." MURPHY HAD ALREADY PREVLY APOLOGIZED FOR HIS EARLIER MATERIAL, BUT S LATER, THE MEMORY OF THE OFFENDG CINT LGERS {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}BACK JULY, ACTOR AND SERIAL EMMY SNUBEE TS BURGS LLED OUT TALK-SHOW HOST AND BRAVO CHIEF HOMOSEXUAL ANDY COHEN FOR BEG A "MSY QUEEN" AFTER AN APPEARANCE ON WATCH WHAT HAPPENS LIVE DURG WHICH COHEN ASKED HIM ABOUT WORKG WH MURPHY ON DOLEME IS MY NAME AND RELLED THE EDIAN'S HOMOPHOBIC STAND-UP OM THE '{BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}"I WAS JT WONRG IF YOU GOT CLOSE AT ALL, BEE HE WAS VERY PROBLEMATIC FOR THE GAYS AT ONE POT," COHEN SAID TO BURGS, WHO CLAIMED THAT MURPHY "WASN'T PROBLEMATIC" FOR HIM. BURGS THEN FOLLOWED UP THE TERVIEW WH SOME INSTA-SHA, BLASTG COHEN FOR TREATG HIS TALK SHOW LIKE AN EPISO OF THE REAL HOEWIV OF ATLANTA ORR TO "REHASH OLD MORS OR BRG A STAR NEGATIVE PRS."{BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}BUT HONTLY, COHEN KD OF HAD A POT. IN THE LARGER GAY IMAGATN, MURPHY IS PROBLEMATIC. HIS TWO INIC STAND-UP SPECIALS, 1983'S DELIR AND 1987'S RAW, MAY HAVE BEEN EDIC AND CULTURAL TOUCHSTON, BUT HE ALSO ED THEM AS PLATFORMS TO RIDICULE GAY {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}IN DELIR, SPORTG A TIGHT RED LEATHER SU, MURPHY WARNS AGAST "FAGGOTS" STARG AT HIS ASS AND DO A UPLE OF (ADMTEDLY HILAR) BS ABOUT MR. T AND THE HONEYMOONERS' RALPH KRAMN AND ED NORTON BEG {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;DISPLAY:-WEBK-BOX;DISPLAY:-WEBK-FLEX;DISPLAY:-MS-FLEXBOX;DISPLAY:FLEX;-WEBK-BOX-PACK:CENTER;-WEBK-JTIFY-NTENT:CENTER;-MS-FLEX-PACK:CENTER;JTIFY-NTENT:CENTER;POSN:RELATIVE;PADDG-BOTTOM:75%;} .TWTER-TWEET-RENRED, {M-WIDTH:65%;WIDTH:TO !IMPORTANT;} {WIDTH:100%;} {MARG-LEFT:TO !IMPORTANT;MARG-RIGHT:TO !IMPORTANT;} IMG{MAX-WIDTH:100%;WIDTH:100%;} > IAME{BORR:NONE;MAX-WIDTH:100%;} > *{MAX-WIDTH:NONE !IMPORTANT;POSN:ABSOLUTE;HEIGHT:100% !IMPORTANT;WIDTH:100% !IMPORTANT;}{BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}HE ALSO DISCS THE THEN-BURGEONG AIDS CRISIS, WHICH LARGELY AFFECTED GAY MEN, SAYG THAT HE'S "PETRIFIED" OF WOMEN WHO LOVE TO HANG OUT WH GAY MEN BEE "THEY ULD BE THE CLUB HAVG FUN WH THEIR LTLE GAY IEND AND GIVE THEM A KISS AND GO HOME WH THAT AIDS ON THEIR LIPS."{BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}YIK. THAT MAK KEV HART LOOK LIKE HANNAH FUCKG {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}LATER, RAW, MURPHY ADDRS THE NTROVERSY THAT FOLLOWED HIM AFTER THE MENTS HE MA DELIR, JOKG THAT "THERE'S NOTHG LIKE A NATN OF FAGS LOOKG FOR YOU."{BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;DISPLAY:-WEBK-BOX;DISPLAY:-WEBK-FLEX;DISPLAY:-MS-FLEXBOX;DISPLAY:FLEX;-WEBK-BOX-PACK:CENTER;-WEBK-JTIFY-NTENT:CENTER;-MS-FLEX-PACK:CENTER;JTIFY-NTENT:CENTER;POSN:RELATIVE;PADDG-BOTTOM:75%;} .TWTER-TWEET-RENRED, {M-WIDTH:65%;WIDTH:TO !IMPORTANT;} {WIDTH:100%;} {MARG-LEFT:TO !IMPORTANT;MARG-RIGHT:TO !IMPORTANT;} IMG{MAX-WIDTH:100%;WIDTH:100%;} > IAME{BORR:NONE;MAX-WIDTH:100%;} > *{MAX-WIDTH:NONE !IMPORTANT;POSN:ABSOLUTE;HEIGHT:100% !IMPORTANT;WIDTH:100% !IMPORTANT;}{BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}MURPHY PPED HIS FAG B DELIR BY SAYG THAT HE "KIDS THE HOMOSEXUALS A LOT… 'E THEY'RE HOMOSEXUALS."{BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}I FUCK WH EVERYBODY. I DON'T GIVE A FUCK. IT'S LIKE, I DON'T MEAN ANYTHG BY . YOU N HANG OUT WH A GAY PERSON. GUYS, DON'T FEEL ALIENATED [OM] GAY PEOPLE BEE THEY'RE GAY. BEE YOU N PLAY TENNIS WH A GAY PERSON. REALLY, JT AFTER THE GAME, YOU SAY, "I'M GONNA GET A BEER. WHAT YOU GON' DO?" "I THK I'M GONNA GO SUCK SOMEBODY'S DICK." "WELL THEN, I'LL SEE YOU LATER. YOU GO SUCK THAT DICK, I'M GONNA HAVE A BEER." {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}NOW ALL FAIRNS, A LOT OF MY TERACTNS WH HOMOSEXUALS HAVE END THAT WAY. AND STARTED THAT WAY. BUT WHILE MURPHY CLAIMED WAS ALL GOOD FUN, FOR HIS GAY FANS WAS {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}"EVERY OTHER WORD OUT OF HIS MOUTH WAS ‘FAGGOT.’ AND WH EACH AND EVERY GAY JOKE, THE CROWD WENT WILD. THEY LOVED . MY IENDS LOVED ," COHEN WROTE HIS 2012 MEMOIR, MOST TALKATIVE, RELLG WATCHG MURPHY'S SPECIALS AS A TEEN. "I WAS SURROUND BY THOANDS OF PEOPLE HYSTERICS, AND THEY WERE ALL LGHG AT ‘FAGGOTS.’ AND IPSO FACTO, LGHG AT ME.”{BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}HOWEVER, MURPHY APOLOGIZED FOR HIS PAST HOMOPHOBIC REMARKS 1996 AFTER GAY RIGHTS ACTIVISTS SAN FRANCIS MOUNTED A PROTT DURG ONE OF HIS FILM SHOOTS. IN A PUBLIC STATEMENT, MURPHY SAID THAT HE WAS "NOT HOMOPHOBIC" OR "ANTI-GAY" AND THAT HE EPLY REGRETTED "ANY AND ALL PA" THAT HE ED, ADDG:{BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}JT LIKE THE RT OF THE WORLD, I AM MORE TED ABOUT AIDS 1996 THAN I WAS 1981. I THK IS UNFAIR TO TAKE THE WORDS OF A MISRMED 21-YEAR-OLD AND APPLY THEM TO AN RMED 35-YEAR-OLD MAN. I KNOW HOW SER AN ISSUE AIDS IS THE WORLD OVER. I KNOW THAT AIDS ISN'T FUNNY. IT'S 1996 AND I'M A LOT SMARTER ABOUT AIDS {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}THOUGH THE ACTIVISTS ACCEPTED MURPHY'S APOLOGY AND THE HUMAN RIGHTS CAMPAIGN APPLD HIS ABOUT-FACE, AS COHEN'S TERACTN WH BURGS SUGGTS, THE PUBLIC OFTEN FDS DIFFICULT TO FIVE OR FET, PARTICULARLY WHEN TO EDIANS—AND PARTICULARLY WHEN TO BLACK MALE EDIANS. THE PREVAILG MYTH BEG THAT THE BLACK MUNY, PECIALLY BLACK MEN, ARE MORE HOMOPHOBIC THAN THE RT OF SOCIETY, WHICH PLETELY NEGLECTS THE POWER STCTUR PLACE AND WHO KEEPS THEM PLACE. IT'S EVEN WORSE NOW THE AGE OF CYNICISM AND "NCEL CULTURE," WHEN THE PUBLIC'S BELIEF THE PERMANENCE OF ONE'S NCELATN PRECLUS ANY BELIEF ONE'S {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}A YEAR LATER, MURPHY GARNERED SOME MORE UNWANTED ATTENTN WHEN HE PICKED UP SHALIMAR SEIULI, A TRANS WOMAN WORKG AS A PROSTUTE. RUMORS HAD LONG DOGGED MURPHY OVER HIS SEXUAL ORIENTATN—SOME TONG THAT PERHAPS HE DOTH PROTT TOO MUCH—AND THE CINT ONLY ADD FUEL TO THE SPECULATIVE FIRE. MURPHY CLAIMED HE WAS SIMPLY GIVG HER A RI, AND WHILE HE WASN'T FOUND GUILTY OF ANY IMPROPER BEHAVR, SEIULI MANAGED TO PARLAY HER FAMY TO BRIEF, MOR FAME AS A DANCER BEFORE DYG TRAGILLY AT AGE 21 OM WHAT SEEMED TO BE AN ACCINTAL {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}SO HAVG GONE THROUGH HIS FAIR SHARE OF NCELATNS AND SNDALS OVER HIS REER, MURPHY SEEMS UNFAZED BY BACKLASH, SUCH AS THE RECENT ONE THAT LED TO THE FIRG OF THE HLY HIRED SHANE GILLIS OM MURPHY'S OLD STOMPG GROUND SATURDAY NIGHT {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}BUT EVEN IF THE TIM HAVE CHANGED, AND EDDIE MURPHY SAYS HE HAS CHANGED, DO WE LIVE A TIME WHEN BELIEF CHANGE IS EVEN POSSIBLE? I GUS THAT PENDS ON WHICH MSY QUEEN YOU'RE {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;CLEAR:BOTH;}{BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;MARG:0 TO;WIDTH:90%;M-WIDTH:288PX;MAX-WIDTH:1440PX;M-HEIGHT:194PX;}LATT NEWS
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Risg to fame followg her special "Nate, " Gadsby has phed edy to new levels by weavg together personal stori, art history lsons, and sthg monologu — routely takg hs at men and the chronicl her childhood growg up as a lbian Tasmania, where homosexualy was illegal until 1997.
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Yang beme the first Che-Amerin and third openly gay st member on NBC's "Saturday Night Live" edian, who hosts a pop culture podst lled "Las Culturistas, " has proven his range on the "SNL, " masterfully portrayg characters om a Che tra reprentative ed as "Tra Daddy" to former Democratic printial ndidate Andrew Yang. Amstell, who beme known for appearanc on "Pop World" and "Never Md The Buzzcks, " stand-up edy as a nfsnal, workg through issu like his parents' divorce, eatg meat, and timacy the Brish ic speaks openly about his sexualy durg sets, Amstell said he was "terrified" of beg gay before g out durg his Netflix special "Set Free.
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Booster ntued, "I'd look at myself and say, 'Why am I treated like a send-class cizen the gay muny? Eddie Murphy has revealed that some of his own jok make him a new terview, the edian, 58, reflected on his reer over the years, admtg that he unrstands tim have changed and what was funny s ago uld be emed offensive actor revealed on CBS how he reacts to his former stand-up rout, which clud bs about the gay MURPHY RETURNS TO 'SNL' -- POKES FUN AT BILL COSBY, ACCIDENTALLY SAYS 'S---' This image released by Netflix shows Eddie Murphy a scene om "Doleme Is My Name. "A clip om Murphy's 1983 edy special "Delir" was played the terview footage, showg the edian performg a b about havg "nightmar about gay people.
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Eddie Murphy has exprsed regret over homophobic jok he ma his early standup reer -- pecially the 1987 standup classic Raw, which he says now mak him crge. "His early stand-up often lved to racist, sexist, or homophobic trop. In one joke, he talked about fear of ntractg AIDS om kissg gay jok jo others like on om Kev Hart, and were likely what ed onscreen tensn between Ts Burgs, who appears Doleme Is My Name, and Andy an terview wh Andy Cohen, Burgs was asked if Murphy has ever been homophobic to him on set.
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"I was jt wonrg if you got close at all, bee he was very problematic for the gays at one pot, " Cohen said. Any troubl he may have had wh gay people, I gus, are gone bee he loved me. RELATED | Watch Kev Hart Gaslight Lil Nas X Over Homophobia.
" Murphy had already prevly apologized for his earlier material, but s later, the memory of the offendg cint lgers July, actor and serial Emmy snubee Ts Burgs lled out talk-show host and Bravo chief homosexual Andy Cohen for beg a "msy queen" after an appearance on Watch What Happens Live durg which Cohen asked him about workg wh Murphy on Doleme Is My Name and relled the edian's homophobic stand-up om the '80s.
"I was jt wonrg if you got close at all, bee he was very problematic for the gays at one pot, " Cohen said to Burgs, who claimed that Murphy "wasn't problematic" for him. In the larger gay imagatn, Murphy is problematic.