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He ma durg a prs nference on a flight om R to Rome, after a reporter allud to a supposed “gay lobby” at the Vatin. Francis said, “If someone is gay and is searchg for the Lord and has a good will, then who am I to judge him?” That reply, jt four months after his electn, signalled that, as he settled to the office, he wasn’t gog to abandon the joyo spontaney of the first weeks of his tenure. It revealed his personal huy before qutns of human sexualy, and suggted an openns to the liv of gay people that ns strongly unter to Catholic history, Church teachg, and Vatin policy.</p><p class="paywall">Francis’s recently released remarks about same-sex civil unns are que a b more ambiguo. They appear a documentary, “Franc,” ma wh the approval of the Vatin, which had s première on Wednday, at the Rome Film Ftival. Directed by Evgeny Afeevsky, who has ma films about the cris Ukrae and Syria, the documentary follows people whose liv have been affected by the Pope. One sequence volv Andrea Rubera, a gay man who liv Rome wh his partner and their three adopted children. After takg part a Mass at the papal rince, Rubera gave Francis a letter explag that he and his partner hoped to raise the children as Catholics. Francis phoned him, offered enuragement, and told him, as Rubera rells the film, to be aware that, the parish, “not all people will share your choice of havg a fay like that.” Rubera adds, “He didn’t mentn which was his opn about my fay. Probably he is followg the doctre on this pot. But the attu toward people has <em>massively</em> changed.” In the film, Francis is then heard sayg, “Homosexual people have a right to be the fay. They are children of God. They have a right to a fay. Nobody should be thrown out of the fay or ma miserable over this. What we have to make is a law of civil existence, for they have the right to be legally vered. I stood up for that.”</p><div class="ExternalLkEmbedWrapper-hNDkqw cDXXLC" data-ttid="external-lk-embed--le"><div class="ExternalLkEmbedText-glBTSy gRKpCf"><a aria-label="<strong>Print Obama’s New Memoir</strong>" class="external-lk external-lk-embed__hed-lk button" data-event-click="{"element":"ExternalLk","outgogURL":"" href=" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank"><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ ExternalLkEmbedHed-dSIMOS iUEiRd zdLg gsZLZF"><strong>Print Obama’s New Memoir</strong></span></a><p class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ ExternalLkEmbedDek-btrWcN iUEiRd kxnNhB jwHNCY"><em>Read an excerpt this week’s issue.</em></p></div></div><p class="paywall">Those ments stirred approval om progrsiv and nsternatn om tradnalists. Jam Mart, a Ju prit wh an active mistry to L.G.B.T.Q. people, whom Francis met at the Vatin last year, scribed them on Twter as “historic.” He wrote, “What mak Pope Francis ments supportg same-sex civil unns today so momento? First, he is sayg them as Pope, not Archbishop of Buenos Air. Send, he is clearly supportg, not simply toleratg, civil unns. Third, he is sayg on mera, not privately.” Bishop Thomas Tob, of Province, Rho Island (who, Augt, suated on Twter that the Democratic Printial nomee, <a href=">Joe Bin</a>, isn’t a te Catholic), sought clarifitn om Rome. “The Pope’s statement clearly ntradicts what has been the long-standg teachg of the Church about same-sex unns,” Tob said a statement. “The Church nnot support the acceptance of objectively immoral relatnships.”</p><p class="paywall">Francis’s remarks the film are unclear. Do he mean that gay people should be weled the fai they are raised , or that they should be enuraged their wish to have fai of their own? Do he fear that they’ll be “thrown out” of the Church, or that they’d be treated as outsts civil society? He “stood up for” civil unns when he was an archbishop, and now, as Pope, he says that “we have to make” them, but do this mean that he will put the thory of the papal office behd efforts for civil unns worldwi— Lat Ameri, for stance, where only eight out of thirty-three untri regnize same-sex marriage or civil unns?</p><p class="paywall">It turns out that there’s a reason for the lack of clary: the remarks were reportedly eded, different ways, by both the film’s director and the Vatin. They are drawn om an terview wh the Pope nducted the sprg of 2019, by Valenta Alazraki, a longtime Vatin rrponnt for the Mexin broadster Televisa. At the time, the Vatin (exercisg s ual prerogative) stck the ments about civil unns before clearg the footage for release to Televisa. Afeevsky rporated that stck-out footage to his documentary. A signifint sentence was left out, however, so that Francis is heard approvg of civil unns, but is not heard addg, “That do not mean approvg of homosexual acts, not the least.”</p><div><div class="ConsumerMarketgUnThemedWrapper-iUTMTf jssHut nsumer-marketg-un nsumer-marketg-un--article-mid-ntent" role="prentatn" aria-hidn="te"><div class="nsumer-marketg-un__slot nsumer-marketg-un__slot--article-mid-ntent nsumer-marketg-un__slot---ntent"></div><div class="journey-un"></div></div></div><p class="paywall">Even as he supported civil unns, then, Francis, like his precsors, ma a distctn between gay people (good) and the way that they exprs passn and love (not good). His support is an cremental change, at most. And yet those remarks, bee they make his support for gay civil unns mon knowledge, may have greater practil import the long term than his bold statements about climate change, migrants and refuge, or the global enomy—at the same time that they put a h foc on the tensns the Church’s attu toward the liv of L.G.B.T.Q. people.</p><div class="Contaer-bkChBi byNLHx"></div><p class="paywall">Francis has been scribed turn as a revolutnary Pope, a Lat Amerin socialist, and a Tmp-style dispter. In fact, he is an crementalist, who works small ways, wh gtur and enigmatic pronouncements. In 2018, Francis sent a netieth-birthday greetg to the Pevian theologian Gtavo Gutiérrez, symbolilly brgg the whole movement known as “liberatn theology” om the ld, after s of Vatin scty. The next year, he travelled to the Uned Arab Emirat, beg the first Pope to vis the Arabian Pensula; he celebrated Mass for at least a hundred and thirty-five thoand people, most of them Catholic migrant workers om the Philipp, India, and South Ameri who lack a path to cizenship or protectn om the Mlim untry’s strict anti-blasphemy laws, but he did not addrs eher issue publicly durg his two-day vis.</p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-1 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall">On matters of human sexualy, though, n be argued that Francis’s crementalism is vexg to the pot of beg herent. Church teachg holds that marriage is between a man and a woman, and that gay sex is sful for a number of reasons—for example, bee is sex outsi what the Church regards as a properly nstuted marriage, and bee, not beg orred toward procreatn, is “ntrary to the creative wisdom of God.” It is “a more or ls strong tenncy orred toward an trsic moral evil,” the words of a document issued by the Vatin October, 1986—at a grave moment the <em class="small">AIDS</em> epimic for gay men the Uned Stat—which unselled people wh the homosexual “ndn” to live chastely and to jo the “suffergs and difficulti” brought on to those of Christ on the Cross.</p><p class="paywall">More than thirty years later, neher progrsive Catholics nor tradnalists actually envisn a world which large numbers of gay people will live mted same-sex relatnships but will shun sexual activy as an “trsic moral evil.” Francis, then, has plited the Church’s posn rather than clarified , and he did an terview, rather than wh an encyclil or a Vatin nference.</p><p class="paywall">There are good reasons for him to act crementally, and offhandly, rather than directly. For one thg, his efforts to advance bold objectiv through the formal stctur of the papacy—on climate change, immigratn, or e equaly—have met wh somethg ls than acclamatn om the Catholic populace. For another, the Church’s unrstandg of L.G.B.T.Q. people n’t simply be changed by papal cree. The qutns of human sexualy are no ls plex than those of the enomy or the environment. And seems, on some level, that Francis’s strenuo efforts to addrs tractable global problems serve to draw attentn away om the problem near at hand—namely, that, when to sexualy, the Church’s acunt of the human person is as superannuated as trickle-down enomics and al-burng power plants.</p></div></div></div><div class="GridItem-buujkM fVLMby grid--em grid-layout__asi"><asi class="PersistentAsiWrapper-VGrR daRVRt persistent-asi" style="posn:absolute;top:to;height:to" data-ttid="PersistentAsiWrapper"><div class="StickyBoxWrapper-jfYB jxBcTH sticky-box"><div class="StickyBoxPrimary-dzWDWL cdhYoN sticky-box__primary"><div class="AdWrapper-dQtivb fZrssQ ad ad--rail"><div class="ad__slot ad__slot--rail" data-no-id="nrbs4"></div></div><div class="ConsumerMarketgUnThemedWrapper-iUTMTf jssHut nsumer-marketg-un nsumer-marketg-un--display-rail" role="prentatn" aria-hidn="te"><div class="nsumer-marketg-un__slot nsumer-marketg-un__slot--display-rail"></div><div class="journey-un"></div></div></div><div class="StickyBoxPlaceholr-grPmrg dxAvXx"></div></div></asi></div></div><div class="RowWrapper-UmqTg HEhan full-bleed-ad row-mid-ntent-ad"><div class="StickyMidContentAdWrapper-fSBzwl drzyIa ad-stickymidntent"><div class="AdWrapper-dQtivb fZrssQ ad ad--mid-ntent should-hold-space"><div class="ad__slot ad__slot--mid-ntent" data-no-id="zjz9"></div></div></div></div><div class="GridWrapper-cAzTTK kHBDeH grid grid-margs grid-ems-2 ArticlePageChunksGrid-hfxa bjczjj grid-layout--adrail narrow wi-adrail"><div class="GridItem-buujkM stRKV grid--em grid-layout__ntent"><div class="BodyWrapper-kufPGa EOneK body body__ntaer article__body" data-journey-hook="client-ntent" data-ttid="BodyWrapper"><div class="body__ner-ntaer"><p class="paywall">It’s possible, of urse, that Francis is wholeheartedly behd Church teachg, nvced that gay people should live chastely—cludg those the civil unns he supports the documentary. If that’s the se, he uld simply say so, and put the qutn of his mments to rt. But may be that, supportg those unns, he is acknowledgg that the Church needs to revise s unrstandg of gay people. Wilton Gregory, the archbishop of Washgton, D.C., who was named the first Ain-Amerin rdal by the Pope on Sunday, wrote 2014, while archbishop of Atlanta, that “the distctn that our Church mak between orientatn and behavr” is one “which admtedly needs reexamatn and velopment.” A full regnn of gay people will have profound nsequenc for the Church’s teachgs about marriage, the fay, personhood, bethics, celibacy, sex among the clergy—about human sexualy on the whole. At some pot, the Church is gog to have to addrs all directly, through an encyclil letter, or a synod, or even an ecumenil uncil on the human person—a Vatin III, which would brg the Church to the twenty-first century as Vatin II brought , belatedly, to the twentieth.</p><p class="paywall">The words that Francis said back 2013—“Who am I to judge?”—are on by which he, himself, will be judged. He will turn eighty-four December. A uncil on the human person is likely a project for a succsor. Meanwhile, his crementalist approach mak sense only if he keeps Catholicism movg the right directn, toward regnizg gay people the ways that they regnize themselv. It may be stretchg crly to see his remarks support of same-sex civil unns as a means to the eventual end of the full embrace of gay people. 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Pope Francis said on Wednday that parents of gay children should not nmn them but offer them support.

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21 GAY POPES, CARDINALS AND ASSORTED CATHOLIC LEADERS.

LGBTQ+ advot hail Pope’s rejectn of sexual orientatn as crime and ll to bishops to rist anti-gay laws as ‘tone’ * gay pope wikipedia *

While the Roman Catholic Church has long nmned homosexual acts as sful, history neverthels shows many of the church’s lears engaged same-sex love.

POPE FRANCIS LLS FOR END TO ANTI-GAY LAWS AND LGBTQ+ WELE OM CHURCH

The real reasons why Pope Francis is phg Catholics to bee more welg and ls judgmental of gays and lbians * gay pope wikipedia *

John XII (955-964)This church lear would mol his papacy on the le of Roman Emperor Elagabol, a potentially transgenr liberte, and would host gay i the papal palace, acrdg to historian Wayne Dyn’s Encyclopedia of Homosexualy. Benedict IX (1033-1045; 1047-1048)Consired by many to be the first “primarily homosexual” pope, Benedict would be acced of turng the Vatin to a “male brothel, ” acrdg to rearcher Lynne Yamaguchi Fletcher.

Boniface VIII (1294-1303)Kg Philip IV of France, an enemy of the pope, would dispatch spi to gather rmatn on Boniface, and based on reports om Roman aristocrats, he would publicly acce the pope of sodomy, acrdg to Who’s Who Gay and Lbian History: From Antiquy to World War II.

THE FIRST GAY POPE

* gay pope wikipedia *

John XXII (1316-1334)While there’s ls bountiful evince than wh other pop, John XXII ma the list of gay pop clud Noel Gar’s 1964 tome Jonathan to Gi: The Homsexual History. This may have been an suatn about a predisposn toward fancy cloth and fe thgs, or uld have been a timatn of the church lear’s homosexualy, the latter of which earned Pl II k Arno Karlen’s Sexualy and Homosexualy. But Sixt, born Franc lla Rovere, also would be known for favorism, cludg elevatg his male lover (and nephew) Petro Riaro to Cardal, acrdg to Louis Crompton’s Homosexualy and Civilizatn.

The ntroversial pope also would have to al wh sndal about his sexualy, wh an anonymo pamphlet circulated Rome allegg Leo has taken multiple gay lovers.

Cardal Francis Joseph Spellman (1939-1967)The rdal, who was archbishop of New York at the time of his ath, was surround for years by mors of his homosexualy, wh bgrapher John Cooney statg he terviewed at least four dividuals wh personal knowledge of Spellman’s leangs, acrdg to journalist Michelangelo Signorile. Pl VI (1963-1978)The 20th-century pope faced wrten accatns om profsor Fran Bellegradi, a Vatin sir at the start of Pl’s papacy, that mors of homosexualy circulated while he served as archbishop of Milan.

21 GAY POP, CARDALS, AND ASSORTED CATHOLIC LEARS

Many gay Catholics were hopg for a more lenient attu om this pope toward same-sex unns. * gay pope wikipedia *

Pope Francis has cricised laws that crimalise homosexualy as “unjt”, sayg God lov all his children jt as they are, and llg on Catholic bishops who support the laws to wele LGBTQ+ people to the church. Francis acknowledged that Catholic bishops some parts of the world support laws that crimalise homosexualy or discrimate agast LGBTQ+ people, and he himself referred to the issue terms of “s”. Gay rights advot say the antiquated laws are ed to jtify harassment, and pot to new legislatn, such as the “Don’t say gay” law Florida, which forbids stctn on sexual orientatn and genr inty om krgarten up to third gra, as evince of ntued efforts to margalise LGBTQ+ UN has repeatedly lled for an end to laws crimalisg homosexualy outright, sayg they vlate rights to privacy and eedom om discrimatn and are a breach of untri’ obligatns unr ternatnal law to protect the human rights of all people, regardls of their sexual orientatn or genr inty.

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Some Catholic bishops have strongly upheld them as nsistent wh Vatin teachg, while others have lled for them to be overturned as a vlatn of basic human Tuday, Francis said there need to be a distctn between a crime and a s wh regard to homosexualy.

But he has ma reachg out to LGBTQ+ people a hallmark of his pope’s ments didn’t specifilly addrs transgenr or nonbary people, jt homosexualy, but advot of greater LGBTQ+ cln the Catholic Church hailed the pope’s ments as a momento advance.

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The first gay pope For many of the same reasons that Clton has been lled the "first Black print", one uld argue that Pope Francis serv to be known as the "first gay pope".

A style of openns and acceptance First of all, he is not aaid to e words like gay and lbian, rather than the psdo-clil "persons wh a same-sex attractn" term that's ed by many the Church (pecially those who appear doctrally rigid and fixated on the ss of the flh). So while the pope has changed nothg terms of official law or teachg, he has -- a real sense -- changed everythg terms of attu and ethos, jt by his own personal approach to gay people. Francis has done more than any pope sce the so-lled sexual revolutn of the 1960s -- when people started to beg intifyg more openly as homosexuals -- to promote the rights and digny of gays and lbians wh the Catholic Church.

And this has eed more prits and bishops who would have been reful to appear as "gay iendly", even up to a few years ago, to imate the pope's style of openns and acceptance. Not judgg gay prits A lot of very good and rmative articl have wrten about how Francis has begun changg the way the Church se and treats homosexuals, exclively by his own posive example. The qutn he was asked ncerned one of his close Vatin ais, a prit who had been disvered to be a homosexual liaison (or stable relatnship) durg service at the papal nunciature Uguay, and whether there was a "gay lobby" the Vatin.

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Reassurg those who stggle, while challengg the hypocr Though 's still nsired a tabu to speak of homosexualy among the Church's ordaed misters, Francis has begun -- even jt a ltle -- to break the silence. The attu the pope has displayed towards gay people n only be a strong affirmatn for the men whose very Church has told them they are serly and fundamentally screwed up. The Church, on the other hand, has been led at tim -- even relatively recent history -- by pop who would surely be nsired homosexuals by today's unrstandg of the term.

The Italian news magaze Vatin Insir, as well as other Italian media outlets, reported that Francis spoke about gay men the semary to the Italian Bishops’ Conference durg a closed-door ssn.

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That stance puts Francis le wh his precsor, Pope Benedict XVI, who issued a document 2005 statg that men wh “eply rooted homosexual tennci” shouldn’t be allowed to study for the prithood. The two reali seem to be ntradictory if we nsir that Francis has exprsed publicly and shown his meetgs wh gays and transgenr persons an openns to who they are and how they live. Yet, the official teachg of the Catholic Church on beg gay is that “the homosexual clatn is objectively disorred” and same-sex upl nnot marry the Catholic Church.

So while Francis’ words and gtur sometim seem to give the msage, “It’s OK that you’re gay, ” that msag seem to be ntradicted by the l of the church he erns.

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So how to rencile Francis’ radil openns to gay people wh his church’s firm posn that beg gay or lbian is “disorred” and s disapproval of gay relatnships? “I have acpanied people wh homosexual tennci and also wh homosexual practic, ” Francis said durg an -flight prs nference returng om Azerbaijan October, 2016. Conservativ say that acpanyg gay men and women should clu a rrectn of their liftyle; progrsiv say Francis’ acpaniment should clu a change doctre.

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