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He ma durg a prs nference on a flight om R to Rome, after a reporter allud to a supposed “gay lobby” at the Vatin. Francis said, “If someone is gay and is searchg for the Lord and has a good will, then who am I to judge him?” That reply, jt four months after his electn, signalled that, as he settled to the office, he wasn’t gog to abandon the joyo spontaney of the first weeks of his tenure. It revealed his personal huy before qutns of human sexualy, and suggted an openns to the liv of gay people that ns strongly unter to Catholic history, Church teachg, and Vatin policy.</p><p class="paywall">Francis’s recently released remarks about same-sex civil unns are que a b more ambiguo. They appear a documentary, “Franc,” ma wh the approval of the Vatin, which had s première on Wednday, at the Rome Film Ftival. Directed by Evgeny Afeevsky, who has ma films about the cris Ukrae and Syria, the documentary follows people whose liv have been affected by the Pope. One sequence volv Andrea Rubera, a gay man who liv Rome wh his partner and their three adopted children. After takg part a Mass at the papal rince, Rubera gave Francis a letter explag that he and his partner hoped to raise the children as Catholics. Francis phoned him, offered enuragement, and told him, as Rubera rells the film, to be aware that, the parish, “not all people will share your choice of havg a fay like that.” Rubera adds, “He didn’t mentn which was his opn about my fay. Probably he is followg the doctre on this pot. But the attu toward people has <em>massively</em> changed.” In the film, Francis is then heard sayg, “Homosexual people have a right to be the fay. They are children of God. They have a right to a fay. Nobody should be thrown out of the fay or ma miserable over this. What we have to make is a law of civil existence, for they have the right to be legally vered. I stood up for that.”</p><div class="ExternalLkEmbedWrapper-hNDkqw cDXXLC" data-ttid="external-lk-embed--le"><div class="ExternalLkEmbedText-glBTSy gRKpCf"><a aria-label="<strong>Print Obama’s New Memoir</strong>" class="external-lk external-lk-embed__hed-lk button" data-event-click="{"element":"ExternalLk","outgogURL":"" href=" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank"><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ ExternalLkEmbedHed-dSIMOS iUEiRd ljLDe gsZLZF"><strong>Print Obama’s New Memoir</strong></span></a><p class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ ExternalLkEmbedDek-btrWcN iUEiRd flMnoK jwHNCY"><em>Read an excerpt this week’s issue.</em></p></div></div><p class="paywall">Those ments stirred approval om progrsiv and nsternatn om tradnalists. Jam Mart, a Ju prit wh an active mistry to L.G.B.T.Q. people, whom Francis met at the Vatin last year, scribed them on Twter as “historic.” He wrote, “What mak Pope Francis ments supportg same-sex civil unns today so momento? First, he is sayg them as Pope, not Archbishop of Buenos Air. Send, he is clearly supportg, not simply toleratg, civil unns. Third, he is sayg on mera, not privately.” Bishop Thomas Tob, of Province, Rho Island (who, Augt, suated on Twter that the Democratic Printial nomee, <a href=">Joe Bin</a>, isn’t a te Catholic), sought clarifitn om Rome. “The Pope’s statement clearly ntradicts what has been the long-standg teachg of the Church about same-sex unns,” Tob said a statement. “The Church nnot support the acceptance of objectively immoral relatnships.”</p><p class="paywall">Francis’s remarks the film are unclear. Do he mean that gay people should be weled the fai they are raised , or that they should be enuraged their wish to have fai of their own? Do he fear that they’ll be “thrown out” of the Church, or that they’d be treated as outsts civil society? He “stood up for” civil unns when he was an archbishop, and now, as Pope, he says that “we have to make” them, but do this mean that he will put the thory of the papal office behd efforts for civil unns worldwi— Lat Ameri, for stance, where only eight out of thirty-three untri regnize same-sex marriage or civil unns?</p><p class="paywall">It turns out that there’s a reason for the lack of clary: the remarks were reportedly eded, different ways, by both the film’s director and the Vatin. They are drawn om an terview wh the Pope nducted the sprg of 2019, by Valenta Alazraki, a longtime Vatin rrponnt for the Mexin broadster Televisa. At the time, the Vatin (exercisg s ual prerogative) stck the ments about civil unns before clearg the footage for release to Televisa. Afeevsky rporated that stck-out footage to his documentary. A signifint sentence was left out, however, so that Francis is heard approvg of civil unns, but is not heard addg, “That do not mean approvg of homosexual acts, not the least.”</p><div><div class="ConsumerMarketgUnThemedWrapper-iUTMTf jssHut nsumer-marketg-un nsumer-marketg-un--article-mid-ntent" role="prentatn" aria-hidn="te"><div class="nsumer-marketg-un__slot nsumer-marketg-un__slot--article-mid-ntent nsumer-marketg-un__slot---ntent"></div><div class="journey-un"></div></div></div><p class="paywall">Even as he supported civil unns, then, Francis, like his precsors, ma a distctn between gay people (good) and the way that they exprs passn and love (not good). His support is an cremental change, at most. And yet those remarks, bee they make his support for gay civil unns mon knowledge, may have greater practil import the long term than his bold statements about climate change, migrants and refuge, or the global enomy—at the same time that they put a h foc on the tensns the Church’s attu toward the liv of L.G.B.T.Q. people.</p><div class="Contaer-bkChBi byNLHx"></div><p class="paywall">Francis has been scribed turn as a revolutnary Pope, a Lat Amerin socialist, and a Tmp-style dispter. In fact, he is an crementalist, who works small ways, wh gtur and enigmatic pronouncements. In 2018, Francis sent a netieth-birthday greetg to the Pevian theologian Gtavo Gutiérrez, symbolilly brgg the whole movement known as “liberatn theology” om the ld, after s of Vatin scty. The next year, he travelled to the Uned Arab Emirat, beg the first Pope to vis the Arabian Pensula; he celebrated Mass for at least a hundred and thirty-five thoand people, most of them Catholic migrant workers om the Philipp, India, and South Ameri who lack a path to cizenship or protectn om the Mlim untry’s strict anti-blasphemy laws, but he did not addrs eher issue publicly durg his two-day vis.</p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-1 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall">On matters of human sexualy, though, n be argued that Francis’s crementalism is vexg to the pot of beg herent. Church teachg holds that marriage is between a man and a woman, and that gay sex is sful for a number of reasons—for example, bee is sex outsi what the Church regards as a properly nstuted marriage, and bee, not beg orred toward procreatn, is “ntrary to the creative wisdom of God.” It is “a more or ls strong tenncy orred toward an trsic moral evil,” the words of a document issued by the Vatin October, 1986—at a grave moment the <em class="small">AIDS</em> epimic for gay men the Uned Stat—which unselled people wh the homosexual “ndn” to live chastely and to jo the “suffergs and difficulti” brought on to those of Christ on the Cross.</p><p class="paywall">More than thirty years later, neher progrsive Catholics nor tradnalists actually envisn a world which large numbers of gay people will live mted same-sex relatnships but will shun sexual activy as an “trsic moral evil.” Francis, then, has plited the Church’s posn rather than clarified , and he did an terview, rather than wh an encyclil or a Vatin nference.</p><p class="paywall">There are good reasons for him to act crementally, and offhandly, rather than directly. For one thg, his efforts to advance bold objectiv through the formal stctur of the papacy—on climate change, immigratn, or e equaly—have met wh somethg ls than acclamatn om the Catholic populace. For another, the Church’s unrstandg of L.G.B.T.Q. people n’t simply be changed by papal cree. The qutns of human sexualy are no ls plex than those of the enomy or the environment. And seems, on some level, that Francis’s strenuo efforts to addrs tractable global problems serve to draw attentn away om the problem near at hand—namely, that, when to sexualy, the Church’s acunt of the human person is as superannuated as trickle-down enomics and al-burng power plants.</p></div></div></div><div class="GridItem-buujkM fVLMby grid--em grid-layout__asi"><asi class="PersistentAsiWrapper-VGrR daRVRt persistent-asi" style="posn:absolute;top:to;height:to" data-ttid="PersistentAsiWrapper"><div class="StickyBoxWrapper-jfYB jxBcTH sticky-box"><div class="StickyBoxPrimary-dzWDWL cdhYoN sticky-box__primary"><div class="AdWrapper-dQtivb fZrssQ ad ad--rail"><div class="ad__slot ad__slot--rail" data-no-id="nyuy5n"></div></div><div class="ConsumerMarketgUnThemedWrapper-iUTMTf jssHut nsumer-marketg-un nsumer-marketg-un--display-rail" role="prentatn" aria-hidn="te"><div class="nsumer-marketg-un__slot nsumer-marketg-un__slot--display-rail"></div><div class="journey-un"></div></div></div><div class="StickyBoxPlaceholr-grPmrg dxAvXx"></div></div></asi></div></div><div class="RowWrapper-UmqTg HEhan full-bleed-ad row-mid-ntent-ad"><div class="StickyMidContentAdWrapper-fSBzwl drzyIa ad-stickymidntent"><div class="AdWrapper-dQtivb fZrssQ ad ad--mid-ntent should-hold-space"><div class="ad__slot ad__slot--mid-ntent" data-no-id="eq1vet"></div></div></div></div><div class="GridWrapper-cAzTTK kHBDeH grid grid-margs grid-ems-2 ArticlePageChunksGrid-hfxa bjczjj grid-layout--adrail narrow wi-adrail"><div class="GridItem-buujkM stRKV grid--em grid-layout__ntent"><div class="BodyWrapper-kufPGa bDyAMU body body__ntaer article__body" data-journey-hook="client-ntent" data-ttid="BodyWrapper"><div class="body__ner-ntaer"><p class="paywall">It’s possible, of urse, that Francis is wholeheartedly behd Church teachg, nvced that gay people should live chastely—cludg those the civil unns he supports the documentary. If that’s the se, he uld simply say so, and put the qutn of his mments to rt. But may be that, supportg those unns, he is acknowledgg that the Church needs to revise s unrstandg of gay people. Wilton Gregory, the archbishop of Washgton, D.C., who was named the first Ain-Amerin rdal by the Pope on Sunday, wrote 2014, while archbishop of Atlanta, that “the distctn that our Church mak between orientatn and behavr” is one “which admtedly needs reexamatn and velopment.” A full regnn of gay people will have profound nsequenc for the Church’s teachgs about marriage, the fay, personhood, bethics, celibacy, sex among the clergy—about human sexualy on the whole. At some pot, the Church is gog to have to addrs all directly, through an encyclil letter, or a synod, or even an ecumenil uncil on the human person—a Vatin III, which would brg the Church to the twenty-first century as Vatin II brought , belatedly, to the twentieth.</p><p class="paywall">The words that Francis said back 2013—“Who am I to judge?”—are on by which he, himself, will be judged. He will turn eighty-four December. A uncil on the human person is likely a project for a succsor. Meanwhile, his crementalist approach mak sense only if he keeps Catholicism movg the right directn, toward regnizg gay people the ways that they regnize themselv. It may be stretchg crly to see his remarks support of same-sex civil unns as a means to the eventual end of the full embrace of gay people. And yet they are a step of some kd, and may be that Francis knows where he, and the Church, mt go.</p></div></div></div><div class="GridItem-buujkM fVLMby grid--em grid-layout__asi"><div class="StickyBoxWrapper-jfYB jxBcTH sticky-box"><div class="StickyBoxPrimary-dzWDWL cdhYoN sticky-box__primary"><div class="AdWrapper-dQtivb fZrssQ ad ad--rail"><div class="ad__slot ad__slot--rail" data-no-id="0c28"></div></div><div class="ConsumerMarketgUnThemedWrapper-iUTMTf jssHut nsumer-marketg-un nsumer-marketg-un--display-rail" role="prentatn" aria-hidn="te"><div class="nsumer-marketg-un__slot nsumer-marketg-un__slot--display-rail"></div><div class="journey-un"></div></div></div><div class="StickyBoxPlaceholr-grPmrg dxAvXx"></div></div></div></div></div><div class="GridWrapper-cAzTTK kHBDeH grid grid-margs grid-ems-2 PaywallInleBarrierWhWrapperGrid-fyrGfS kLQIUk grid-layout--adrail narrow wi-adrail"><div class="GridItem-buujkM stRKV grid--em grid-layout__ntent"><div class="body body__le-barrier article__body"><div class="ntaer ntaer--body"><div class="ntaer--body-ner"><asi class="PaywallInleBarrierWrapper-iBnuqk lfXXa-D" data-ttid="PaywallInleBarrierWrapper"><div class="ConsumerMarketgUnThemedWrapper-iUTMTf jssHut nsumer-marketg-un nsumer-marketg-un--paywall-le-barrier" role="prentatn" aria-live="pole" aria-hidn="te"><div class="nsumer-marketg-un__slot nsumer-marketg-un__slot--paywall-le-barrier"></div><div class="journey-un"></div></div></asi></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="GridWrapper-cAzTTK kHBDeH grid grid-margs grid-ems-2 ContentWrapperGrid-fvkmBv brYtrA grid-layout--adrail narrow wi-adrail"><div class="GridItem-buujkM stRKV grid--em grid-layout__ntent"><div class="body body__ntaer"><div class="ntaer ntaer--body"><div class="ntaer--body-ner"></div></div></div></div></div></div></article><div class="ContentFooterWrapper-jVNdRG dTJkpP ArticlePageContentFooterGrid-ccsXYy eMZRHU article-body__footer"><div class="RowWrapper-UmqTg HEhan"><div class="GridWrapper-cAzTTK kHBDeH grid grid-margs grid-ems-2 grid-layout--adrail narrow wi-adrail"><div class="GridItem-buujkM stRKV grid--em grid-layout__ntent"></div></div></div><div class="RowWrapper-UmqTg HEhan"><div class="GridWrapper-cAzTTK kHBDeH grid grid-margs grid-ems-2 grid-layout--adrail narrow wi-adrail"><div class="GridItem-buujkM stRKV grid--em grid-layout__ntent"><div class="ContributorsWrapper-eNpWFu GWFsc ntributors" data-ttid="Contributors"><div class="ContributorBWrapper-bnVHbt gMon"><div class="ContributorBContent-ubQdr jZTSSi"><div class="ContributorBHear-ledood XOIEx"></div><div class="ContributorBB-fBolsO giFhKz"><a href="/ntributors/pl-elie">Pl Elie</a> is a senr fellow at Geetown Universy. 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pope and gay marriage

The Uned Stat this past June did somethg that the Catholic Church and the Vatin have for years railed agast: granted marriage equaly to s gay and lbian cizens. Yet, Pope Francis had nothg to say about . Not then and not now.

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POPE'S SUPPORT FOR GAY CIVIL UNNS SEEN AS THREAT TO SAME-SEX MARRIAGE

The pope's ments support of gay civil unns did not go far enough and uld even harm the mpaign for same-sex marriage, LGBT+ rights mpaigners said on Thursday. * pope and gay marriage *

MEXICO CITY (Thomson Rters Foundatn) - The pope’s ments support of gay civil unns did not go far enough and uld even harm the mpaign for same-sex marriage, LGBT+ rights mpaigners said on a documentary lled “Franc” released on Wednday, the pontiff said that gay upl need legal rights and that “homosexual people have a right to be a fay”, some of his cleart language on the subject sce his electn after years of opposn by the Catholic Church to gay sex and same-sex marriage, the pope’s ments will do ltle to advance LGBT+ rights or repair the damage done to gay people, LGBT+ mpaigners majory-Catholic Lat Ameri said.

Followg a high urt lg that was publicly rejected by Catholic church lears, Ecuador legalised gay marriage last year, one of 28 untri to do rights activists said the pope’s support for civil unns uld unrme the mpaign for gay marriage some untri by suggtg a kd of ‘separate but equal’ alternative. “Creatg an stutn that is unequal isn’t good bee ’s also a form of discrimatn, ” said Mariano Ruiz, a board member of the Internatnal Day Agast Homophobia, Transphobia and Biphobia mtee Lat pontiff’s latt ments echo his stance as archbishop of Buenos Air, where he volly opposed gay marriage prr to s legalisatn Argenta 2010, even as he supported some kd of legal protectn for gay Ruiz said the pope’s ments would have a major impact on the fahful. Alberto Pizzoli | AFP | Getty ImagPope Francis has said that homosexuals should be protected by civil unn laws some of the cleart language he has ed on the rights of gay people sce his electn seven years ma his ments a new documentary "Franc" by Osr-nomated director Evgeny Afeevsky that was released on Wednday.

I stood up for that, " he pope appeared to be referrg to when he was archbishop of Buenos Air and opposed legislatn to approve same sex marriag but supported some kd of legal protectn for the rights of gay Catholic Church teach that homosexual tennci are not sful but homosexual acts are. It teach that homosexuals should be treated wh digny but is opposed to gay bgrapher Aten Ivereigh told Rters that the pope's ments the film were some of the cleart language the pontiff has ed on the subject sce his electn 2013. "Pope Francis' clear and public support for same-sex civil unns marks a new stage the church's relatnship wh LGBTQ people, " said Father Jam Mart, a Ju prit and thor of "Buildg a Bridge, " a book about Catholic mistry to homosexuals.

THE POPE’S ‘SHOCKG’ STATEMENT ON GAY MARRIAGE IS G AN UPROAR AMONG CATHOLICS

The Vatin said Pope Francis' remarks were taken out of ntext but still nfirmed the pontiff's belief that gay upl should enjoy legal protectns. * pope and gay marriage *

" remark about homosexuals tryg to live a Christian life, spoke a sectn of the film about Andrea Rubera, a gay man who wh his partner adopted three says the film that he went to a morng Mass the pope said his Vatin rince and gave him a letter explag his told the pope that he and his partner wanted to brg the children up as Catholics the lol parish but did not want to e any trma for the children. Followg Pope Francis’s announcement clarg support for civil unn laws for same-sex upl, which breaks wh tradnal Catholic valu that oppose homosexual relatnships, the lear has garnered both cricism and support om people all over the world. Image source, RtersImage ptn, Pope Francis' statements are a parture om prev ments about LGBT rightsPope Francis has said that he thks same-sex upl should be allowed to have "civil unns" ma the ments, which observers say are his cleart remarks yet on gay relatnships, a documentary directed by Evgeny Afeevsky.

" He add that he "stood up for that", apparently referrg to his time as Archbishop of Buenos Air when, although opposg same-sex marriag law, he supported some legal protectns for same-sex film Franc, about the life and work of Pope Francis, premiered as part of the Rome Film well as the Pope's ments on civil unns, the film also shows him enuragg two gay men to attend church wh their three Francis's bgrapher, Aten Ivereigh, told the BBC he was "not surprised" by the latt ments. "Unr current Catholic doctre, gay relatnships are referred to as "viant behavur" 2003, the Vatin's doctral body, the Congregatn for the Doctre of the Fah, said that "rpect for homosexual persons nnot lead any way to approval of homosexual behavur or to legal regnn of homosexual unns" words but no sign of doctral changeThe remarks have set tongu waggg among Vatin-watchers - and they mark Francis's cleart support for the issue sce beg Pope. " he 2014 was reported that Pope Francis had exprsed support for civil unns for same-sex partners an terview, but the Holy See's prs office nied 2018, Pope Francis said he was "worried" about homosexualy the clergy, and that was "a ser matter" on this story.

Stat still have laws agast sodomy, spe the Supreme Court clarg them unnstutnal pope said that some bishops om untri that crimalize homosexualy support the laws bee they're part of the lol culture, and he lled on those bishops to unrgo a procs of "nversn, " orr to wele LGBQT people to their mistry "wh tenrns. He observed if LGBTQ+ folks "want to spend their liv together, a homosexual uple, natns have the possibily civilly to support them, to give them safety wh regards to herance and health" regardls of the church's posn.

POPE FRANCIS SAYS HOMOSEXUALY "IS NOT A CRIME," BUT GAY SEX IS "A S"

The Vatin said the pope’s statements favor of civil unns for gay upl did not change church doctre. * pope and gay marriage *

VATICAN CITY (AP) — Pope Francis cricized laws that crimalize homosexualy as “unjt, ” sayg God lov all his children jt as they are and lled on Catholic bishops who support the laws to wele LGBTQ people to the church. Gay rights advot say the antiquated laws are ed to harass homosexuals, and pot to new legislatn, such as the “Don’t say gay” law Florida, which forbids stctn on sexual orientatn and genr inty krgarten through third gra, as evince of ntued efforts to margalize LGBTQ people. The Uned Natns has repeatedly lled for an end to laws crimalizg homosexualy outright, sayg they vlate rights to privacy and eedom om discrimatn and are a breach of untri’ obligatns unr ternatnal law to protect the human rights of all people, regardls of their sexual orientatn or genr inty.

OPENLY GAY CATHOLIC PRIT DISCS POPE FRANCIS' APPEAL FOR LGBTQ PROTECTNS

Pope John Pl II unequivolly nmns gay marriage strongly word msage meant to fe posn and agenda of Roman Catholic Church (S) * pope and gay marriage *

And so this ll for the civil regnn and protectn of gay civil unns, 's really an affirmatn of the humany of gay and lbian persons - that he's sayg that bee gay and lbian persons are human begs, that society, that the state, that ernments have an obligatn and a duty to protect their basic human Do extendg the right to a civil unn and acknowledgg that LGBTQ people should be allowed to have a partner their life through a civil unn and a fay - do that mean children? Now, may seem to be a semantic difference, but I thk what the pope is sayg is that he is not opposed to the legal regnn of fay life and the right for gay and lbian persons to raise and have As a gay Catholic yourself, I mean, as a man of fah, as a Catholic, is somehow ls signifint, I would image, a civil unn than beg able to be married the church? I personally - and I know many others, gay and lbian persons and those who are alli and who love - would want the church to be able to one day regnize the lovg mments of LGBTQ persons the sacrament of marriage.

And what the pope is dog wh this kd of claratn - he's clearly puttg the Catholic Church on the si of agast the crimalizatn of behavr and favor of protectg the human digny of gay and lbian But help me unrstand this bee 's my unrstandg that the Catholic Church still nsirs homosexualy to be a s, not somethg that should be enuraged a liftyle. Fernánz wrote about the oral soon after Bergogl was elected Pope Francis, reuntg that a newspaper article he had penned about gay marriage had been clud the anonymo dossier and that an unnamed Vatin “ngregatn” – believed to be the one rponsible for Catholic tn -- repeatedly refed to receive him to expla has also had to acknowledge mistak his handlg of a 2019 se volvg a prit acced of sexually abg mors.

ROME — The Vatin says Pope Francis’ ments on gay civil unns were taken out of ntext a documentary that spliced together parts of an old terview, but still nfirmed Francis’ belief that gay upl should enjoy legal Vatin secretariat of state issued guidance to ambassadors to expla the uproar that Francis’ ments created followg the Oct.

EXCLUSIVE: TAYLOR MARSHALL SAYS POPE FRANCIS MAY CHANGE POSN OF CATHOLIC CHURCH ON GAY MARRIAGE

Instead, he favored extendg legal protectns to gay upl unr what is unrstood Argenta as a civil unn Francis was known to have taken that posn privately, he had never articulated his support while as pope. “More than a year ago, durg an terview, Pope Francis answered two different qutns at two different tim that, the aforementned documentary, were eded and published as a sgle answer whout proper ntextualizatn, which has led to nfn, ” said the guidance posted by the film, Afeevsky reunts the story of Andrea Rubera, a married gay Catholic who wrote Francis askg for his advice about brgg to the church his three young children wh his was an anguished qutn, given that the Catholic Church teach that gay people mt be treated wh digny and rpect but that homosexual acts are “trsilly disorred. ” The church also holds that marriage is an dissoluble unn between man and woman, and as a rult, gay marriage is the end, Rubera reunts how Francis urged him to approach his parish transparently and brg the children up the fah, which he did.

POPE FRANCIS WON’T BUDGE ON GAY MARRIAGE: “MARRIAGE IS MARRIAGE”

Francis was not endorsg the right of gay upl to adopt children, even though the placement of the quote right after Rubera told his story ma seem that Francis pope’s ments about gay civil unns me om a different part of the Televisa terview and clud several veats that were not clud the the Televisa terview, Francis ma clear he was explag his posn about the unique se Buenos Air 10 years ago, as opposed to Rubera’s suatn or gay marriage as a the Televisa terview, Francis also sisted that he always mataed Catholic doctre and said there was an “ngy” for the Catholic Church as far as “homosexual marriage” is documentary elimated that Televisa footage is available onle, and clus an awkward cut right after Francis spoke about the “ngy” of homosexual marriage. But don’t expla how his support for extendg Argente legal protectns to gay upl 2010 uld be squared wh the 2003 document om the Congregatn for the Doctre of the Fah, which says “the prcipl of rpect and non-discrimatn nnot be voked to support legal regnn of homosexual unns.

" The Vatin's msage ced Francis' own words om 2016, when he wrote, "there are absolutely no grounds for nsirg homosexual unns to be any way siar or even remotely analogo to God's plan for marriage and fay.

Pope Francis has been viewed wh ut optimism by LGBTQ groups bee of remarks like his statement, wily published 2020, that homosexuals are "part of the fay" and that same-sex and other nontradnal upl need a "civil unn law.

POPE APPROVED GAY MARRIAGE OR SOMETHG...

Pope Francis livered a disappotment to Catholic LGBT muni Monday, wh a cree reaffirmg that prits should not bls same-sex move stood ntrast to the pontiff’s past statements llg for the legalizatn of same-sex unns and urgg cln — part of a shift toward an crementally more welg tone toward gay people the more nciliatory rhetoric has stopped short of doctral chang.

German bishops have been nductg a multiyear reevaluatn of the Catholic Church’s stanc on practic cludg celibacy, women learship and homosexualy — much to the chagr of the stutn’s more nservative the pope traveled to Ai 2019, his fourth vis to the ntent — which has the fastt-growg Catholic populatn the world — sce beg pontiff 2013, he preached awarens of poverty, climate change and passn for refuge. Marianne Duddy-Burke, executive director of DignyUSA, the Uned Stat’ largt spirual muny of gay Catholics, told The Washgton Post is “hard for a lot of people to unrstand jt how far removed the church is om human rights advanc that are beg ma the rt of society.

POPE DENOUNC GAY MARRIAGE

”“If they want to spend their liv together, a homosexual uple, natns have the possibily civilly to support them, to give them safety wh regards to herance and health, ” he the subject of civil unns, Francis suggted that wing the spe of who n receive partner benefs uld benef many groups of people. Those wh same-sex attractn should not be margalized if they accept the Lord (and nsequently His teachg and the teachg of His Church), However, if they do not accept the Lord and His teachg and 'lobby' or advote for homosexualy, this is sful and a problem. And yet those remarks, bee they make his support for gay civil unns mon knowledge, may have greater practil import the long term than his bold statements about climate change, migrants and refuge, or the global enomy—at the same time that they put a h foc on the tensns the Church’s attu toward the liv of L.

Church teachg holds that marriage is between a man and a woman, and that gay sex is sful for a number of reasons—for example, bee is sex outsi what the Church regards as a properly nstuted marriage, and bee, not beg orred toward procreatn, is “ntrary to the creative wisdom of God. ” It is “a more or ls strong tenncy orred toward an trsic moral evil, ” the words of a document issued by the Vatin October, 1986—at a grave moment the AIDS epimic for gay men the Uned Stat—which unselled people wh the homosexual “ndn” to live chastely and to jo the “suffergs and difficulti” brought on to those of Christ on the than thirty years later, neher progrsive Catholics nor tradnalists actually envisn a world which large numbers of gay people will live mted same-sex relatnships but will shun sexual activy as an “trsic moral evil. AdvertisementSKIP ADVERTISEMENTVatin Clarifi Pope Francis’s Comments on Same-Sex UnnsThe Vatin said the pope’s statements favor of civil unns for gay upl did not change church Bia/Associated PrsPublished Nov.

WHAT POPE FRANCIS REALLY SAID ABOUT (GAY) MARRIAGE -- AND WHAT HE DID NOT

2, 2020Updated June 27, 2021ROME — The Vatin has nfirmed the pope’s remarks on gay upl servg civil protectns as sent an explanatory note to bishops unrlg that Francis’s ments did not mark a change church pope’s remarks ma headl last month after they appeared the documentary “Franc, ” at s Oct. Afeevsky the Vatin note said that durg the Televisa terview, speakg of the ntroversy Argenta, Francis had argued for the right of gay upl to have legal Vatin note also poted to a 2014 terview which the pope had reerated that “marriage is between a man and a woman” but that secular stat uld seek to “jtify civil unns to regulate var suatns of existence, driven by the mand to regulate enomic aspects among people, such as ensurg health re.

A 2003 document issued by the Congregatn of the Doctre of the Fah says that the church’s “rpect for homosexual persons nnot lead any way to approval of homosexual behavr or to legal regnn of homosexual unns.

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