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At the time the program was greenl, Rebec Sugar — who is also nonbary — <a href=">was the first woman to have her own show</a> at Cartoon Network. But as Sugar ntued blazg a trail, she enuntered ristance to havg LGBTQ+ reprentatn on the show.</p><p>In an terview wh <a href="><em>Paper</em></a>, Sugar said she created the ncept of “fn,” which two of the show’s characters be to one person, as a novel way to explore queer relatnships. That clus characters like the genrqueer Stevonnie (A.J. Michalka), which merg the duo of Steven and Connie.</p><div><div class="ConsumerMarketgUnThemedWrapper-iUTMTf jssHut nsumer-marketg-un nsumer-marketg-un--article-mid-ntent" role="prentatn" aria-hidn="te"><div class="nsumer-marketg-un__slot nsumer-marketg-un__slot--article-mid-ntent nsumer-marketg-un__slot---ntent"></div><div class="journey-un"></div></div></div><p>But once the stud ught on to the way Sugar and her team went about wrg the script, they weren’t too thrilled about the queer directn of the show.</p><div class="Contaer-bkChBi byNLHx"></div><p>“They told pot-blank, ‘You n't have the characters be a romantic relatnship,’ but at that pot Gar was so tablished that dienc uld stantly unrstand what the relatnship was, the song had already been wrten, the episo had already been board so we were already full productn,” she told the magaze. “I'm really proud of the patience we had and the time that we took to fully explore the characters at a time when that was not necsarily possible.”</p><div class="AdWrapper-dQtivb fZrssQ ad ad---ntent"><div class="ad__slot ad__slot---ntent" data-no-id="yg6nroi"></div></div><p>However, as time went on, Sugar says she was told directly that she wasn’t allowed to ever discs the show’s subversively queer them publicly. Network executiv told her that dog so would brg the seri to a grdg halt.</p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-1 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p>“They basilly brought me and said, ‘We want to support that you're dog this but you have to unrstand that ternatnally if you speak about this publicly, the show will be pulled om a lot of untri and that may mean the end of the show,’” Sugar relled. “I would privately do drawgs of the characters kissg and huggg that I was not allowed to share. I uldn't rencile how simple this felt to me and how impossible was to do, so I talked about . The show survived a large part bee of the support om fans.”</p><p>Reflectg upon the show’s succs, Sugar said ’s ridiculo that a person’s abily to make rtoons uld hge on their sexual orientatn — but remas all too te. 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Stevenson noted that after <em>She-Ra</em> began productn 2016, the team looked to <em>Steven Universe</em> as a gui to how they uld succsfully queer up the show. She said those discsns were only possible bee <em>Steven Universe</em> had done first.</p><p>“Whenever a show manag to rporate a really powerful piece of reprentatn, that clears the way for other productns,” she said. “At the same time, I thk when we have nversatns about harmful trends that keep poppg up over and over aga that are not as helpful as we want them to be. <em>Steven Universe</em> laid the groundwork for our path and gave a platform to be able to build the story we wanted to tell and were passnate about.</p><p>“I n't give you enough cred for that,” Stevenson add, speakg directly to Sugar, “bee hontly changed everythg for .”</p><p><em>Steven Universe</em> ran for five seasons on Cartoon Network om 2013 through January 2019. 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When she created <em>Steven Universe</em>, she was the first woman to have her own show at Cartoon Network. (Sugar recently <a data-offer-url=" class="external-lk" data-event-click="{"element":"ExternalLk","outgogURL":"" href=" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">me out</a> as a nonbary, but still she/her pronouns.) And her show is equally historic; featur a diverse st of queer women, nonbary characters, and queer relatnships.</p><p><em>Steven Universe</em> foc on a young half-human, half-alien boy named Steven, and the Crystal Gems who raise him while protectg Earth om Homeworld, the pla where a race of sentient begs lled “Gems” tend to lonize the universe. All of the Gems are nonbary women; on the show, many of them are romantic relatnships together. Two of them, Ruby and Sapphire, love each other so much that they are almost always fed together to one Gem named Gar. They recently unfed, and a revolutnary set of episos,the two got married the <a href=">first same-sex weddg a kid’s rtoon.</a></p><div><div class="ConsumerMarketgUnThemedWrapper-iUTMTf jssHut nsumer-marketg-un nsumer-marketg-un--article-mid-ntent" role="prentatn" aria-hidn="te"><div class="nsumer-marketg-un__slot nsumer-marketg-un__slot--article-mid-ntent nsumer-marketg-un__slot---ntent"></div><div class="journey-un"></div></div></div><p>In short, the show has radilly changed paradigms for who and what children’s TV programmg n reprent, and has vastly broaned LGBTQ+ reprentatn on TV, no matter how you slice . It’s Sugar’s ongog missn to explore the ontiers of queer inty her work, and several upg episos and a <a href=">recently-announced movie</a> mean she’ll ntue to ph toward those ontiers for a long time to e. We spoke wh Sugar about g out as nonbary, how her own life and experienc fluenced her groundbreakg show, workg to make space for genr-expansive kids all-ag programmg, and what’s next for <em>Steven Universe.</em></p><div class="Contaer-bkChBi byNLHx"></div><p> </p><div class="AdWrapper-dQtivb fZrssQ ad ad---ntent"><div class="ad__slot ad__slot---ntent" data-no-id="kmkabhc"></div></div><p><strong>One of the ma thgs people love about <em>Steven Universe</em> is that we get to see people who look, act, and intify like for the first time all-ag media. Was that a goal you had when creatg the seri?</strong></p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-1 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p>My goal when I created the show was jt to be very hont. It was always supposed to be based on my relatnship wh my brother. I didn’t have a huge circle of iends at school; I was really troverted, and he was always there to be my bt iend when I me home. And I didn’t realize until later that havg someone who really unrstood me ma a world of difference my life, and a lot of that had to do wh maybe not feelg unrstood by anyone else.</p></div></div></div><div class="GridItem-buujkM fVLMby grid--em grid-layout__asi"><div class="StickyBoxWrapper-jfYB kNleGZ sticky-box"><div class="StickyBoxPrimary-dzWDWL cdhYoN sticky-box__primary"><div class="Contaer-bkChBi byNLHx"></div><div class="AdWrapper-dQtivb fZrssQ ad ad--rail"><div class="ad__slot ad__slot--rail" data-no-id="oas8af"></div></div><div class="ConsumerMarketgUnThemedWrapper-iUTMTf jssHut nsumer-marketg-un nsumer-marketg-un--display-rail" role="prentatn" aria-hidn="te"><div class="nsumer-marketg-un__slot nsumer-marketg-un__slot--display-rail"></div><div class="journey-un"></div></div></div><div class="StickyBoxPlaceholr-grPmrg dxAvXx"></div></div></div></div><div class="RowWrapper-UmqTg HEhan full-bleed-ad row-mid-ntent-ad"><div class="StickyMidContentAdWrapper-fSBzwl drzyIa ad-stickymidntent"><div class="AdWrapper-dQtivb fZrssQ ad ad--mid-ntent should-hold-space"><div class="ad__slot ad__slot--mid-ntent" data-no-id="e3cfe4"></div></div></div></div><div class="GridWrapper-cAzTTK kHBDeH grid grid-margs grid-ems-2 ArticlePageChunksGrid-hfxa bjczjj grid-layout--adrail narrow wi-adrail"><div class="GridItem-buujkM stRKV grid--em grid-layout__ntent"><div class="BodyWrapper-kufPGa hlrZzP body body__ntaer article__body" data-journey-hook="client-ntent" data-ttid="BodyWrapper"><div class="body__ner-ntaer"><p><strong>So many of my married LGBTQ+ iends told me they sobbed after <em>Steven Universe</em>’s recent proposal and weddg episos. They said that the were hugely important moments their liv, but they never thought they’d see that reflected a show like this. What do you want to say to them?</strong></p><p>You serve ! You served 20 years ago! You serve now, you serve 20 years om now! There should be hundreds of the!</p><p><strong>Were you sred to pch this weddg ia, or was Cartoon Network on board pretty fast?</strong></p><p>Oh, I was pchg this back 2016. It’s been a very long road. It really go all the way back to 2011 — when we started the show — and 2014, when we were pchg the episo “Jailbreak.” The more material I would pch about Ruby and Sapphire and their romantic relatnship, the more visible the ceilg of what we uld do beme. And really ma me realize how cril was to have LGBTQIA characters G-rated media. I began to realize how quiet I had been about my own story and my own life, bee I had ternalized this ia that there was somethg “adult” about the stori. And there isn’t! The them were a part of my childhood and they were a part of the childhoods of many people on my staff. There is nothg more “adult” about Ruby and Sapphire than any other uple on the show. So I beme very driven to make sure that we uld tell the most wholome love story you’ve ever seen on televisn.</p><p><strong>What has the fan reactn been like?</strong></p><p>I was overjoyed! It was fascatg to see om the proposal to the weddg self, jt every moment wh everyone watchg real time, gog “oh went here but n’t go there,” then do, “oh went here but n’t go there,” and then do. It was like relivg rapid fire succsn years and years and years of the challenge to do this story, seeg all fally tumble out to the world. 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body body__ntaer article__body" data-journey-hook="client-ntent" data-ttid="BodyWrapper"><div class="body__ner-ntaer"><p><strong>How will this new mment and relatnship effect Ruby, Sapphire, and Gar the future?</strong></p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-2 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p>Oh, they’re all stronger. I was learng a lot about differentiatn while I was wrg this arc. It’s this ia that members of a uple need to be really solid their dividual inti orr to be stronger together, and that if you fe to each other, you might start to feel like you don’t have the tonomy to make your own cisns. If you n get that solidy yourself, will strengthen your relatnship, and will also pel the other person the relatnship to strengthen themselv orr to meet you there. And then all of those nflicts bee somethg that n sharpen each dividual and tt them together.</p><p>I was also thkg a lot about choice — that they uld be so much stronger if they chose to be together, and if every moment om then on, they were ntug to choose to do everythg they were dog together. They’ll fely be more flexible om now on. They’ll be able to separate and e back together more easily. And all of them will be stronger both dividually and together.</p><p><strong><em>Steven Universe</em> is one of the first shows I’ve seen wh nonbary characters, and you recently me out as a nonbary woman. Did you clu the characters as a way of exprsg yourself, or did the show help you figure the thgs out about yourself?</strong></p><p>Both! I didn’t necsarily have the language for a lot of my own feelgs early on, but even when I was young I’d get cricism om iends and fay members who uldn’t tell if my drawgs were supposed to be boys or girls. And I ed to worry about , but that’s the thg! I don’t thk people should have to worry about !</p><p>One of the thgs that exced me early on, pecially about Stevonnie, was that I jt wanted to do and have be betiful. I had never seen that! 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hlrZzP body body__ntaer article__body" data-journey-hook="client-ntent" data-ttid="BodyWrapper"><div class="body__ner-ntaer"><p>But I don’t thk I’m exced that ’s new anymore, I’m jt trated that didn’t exist before. It shouldn’t have been novative to jt say, “let’s make this non-bary character that everyone thks is great.” This shouldn’t be the first time you see that.</p><p>I believe that, pecially kids entertament, we should really be workg hard to create a space for genr-expansive kids. Lookg back I remember the specific harm I felt as a child when I loved rtoons that were “not for me.” I loved rtoons “for boys,” and I knew that was wrong. I would wre my diary, “I’m so sorry that I’m watchg <em>SWAT Kats,</em>” bee I felt so bad about . It’s jt a lot of strs that shouldn’t exist. And there should be a home not jt for kids who n relate to , but also for all kids who should learn how to be alli for those kids. Separatg out entertament and partmentalizg different children so they don’t teract wh each other don’t make sense to me. I wish I uld’ve watched those rtoons as a kid and felt like was okay. I thk ’s really unfortunate every time someone has to feel wrong for likg somethg. Likg somethg should be wholly posive.</p><p><strong>What are you most exced about for the future of <em>Steven Universe,</em> and for the future of LGBTQ+ reprentatn G-rated media overall?</strong></p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-3 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p>I hope to see so much more of ! There are a ln thgs to be done and a ln stori to be told. There are so many experienc that people have that they’ve been disuraged om talkg about, that we should get to munite to each other, and I jt n’t wa to see all of the next generatn of this media. There’s so much to do ’s staggerg.</p><p>The future of <em>Steven</em>, there’s a lot I still want to do and explore wh the characters. I really n’t wa for people to see the next set of episos. I n’t talk about the movie yet, but I n’t wa until I n. 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