Gay men, ternalized homophobia, and (re)fg the "gay voice"
Contents:
- DO YOU SOUND GAY? WHAT OUR VOIC TELL – AND WHAT THEY DON’T
- WANT TO GET RID OF YOUR 'GAY ACCENT'? THERE'S AN APP FOR THAT
- THE GAY VOICE
- THIS IS WHY SOME MEN ‘SOUND GAY’ – EVEN IF THEY’RE NOT
- I LIKE GUYS BUT I DON’T WANT TO BE GAY. HOW DO I STOP BEG GAY?
- "DO I SOUND GAY?"
- FILMMAKER AND SPEECH PATHOLOGIST WEIGH IN ON WHAT IT MEANS TO 'SOUND GAY'
- WHAT MEANS TO ‘SOUND GAY’
- MY GAY VOICE AND YOURS
DO YOU SOUND GAY? WHAT OUR VOIC TELL – AND WHAT THEY DON’T
We might thk we know what a gay person sounds like. But there are veats to the cliche — and ‘voice-shamg’ tells a lot more about our culture than do about the person speakg * how to not sound gay *
And y, the stretchg out of “sibilant” nsonants such as s and z (image Kenh Williams sayg “She sells sea shells on the sea shore” and you’re sort of there) what about gay women? There are a few theori knockg around as to why this might be: Arnold Zwicky, his mply tled 1994 paper Two Lavenr Issu for Lguists, suggts that: “For many lbians, what is most important is intifitn wh the muny of women – while for many gay men, what is most important is distancg themselv om straight men. Third: this style of speakg isn’t simply an importatn of “feme” quali to male speech, although that appears to be what a lot of people, we’re still left wh the qutn of why a gay male voice might emerge.
When dis, a subversive dance movement that spoke to black people and women and gays, broke through, was vilified by mastream rock lovers for beg ksch and plastic. In the wake of the whole Newsweek gay actors thg, Details sought out the wisdom of longtime voice ach Bob Corff, who helps actors get rid of Gay what, exactly, is the difference between a straight male voice and a gay male voice?
Should be easy enough to lose.Though gay voice is often acpanied by gay mannerisms.Do you hold yourself like a woman, OP, you know, cross your legs like a girl, flounce your arms and all that?by Anonymoreply 18April 2, 2017 2:10 AM. I liked a lot of the gays he terviewed - they seemed very sey and nice (I know this is a VERY UN-DL thg to say).But I agree - his attempts to change his voice were pathetic.(This >>> sey gay was actually om another 'gayvoice' short film shot Toronto).Offse Lkby Anonymoreply 26April 2, 2017 4:05 AM.
WANT TO GET RID OF YOUR 'GAY ACCENT'? THERE'S AN APP FOR THAT
Well, not an app app, but there is a voice teacher! In the wake of the whole Newsweek gay actors thg, Details sought out the wisdom of longtime voice ach Bob Corff, who helps actors get rid of Gay Voice. * how to not sound gay *
In one se an sir lled me up and told me so.I had a creative director at an ad agency tell me "I don't hire people like you." When I asked him what he meant, he said "homosexuals." He was an ex-Mare, for whatever that's worth. I'd say 1 out of every 10 gay guys I meet do not have any "gay voice" flectns--voice and mannerisms, and that about 1 out of every 5 are "flam om space" gay wh very extreme gay voice and mannerisms. The rt are somewhere between.It's fely a workplace issue--whether should be or not is another matter, but men wh extreme gay voice do make some people very unfortable, the same way people wh strong regnal/ethnic accents do.All that said, the person wh the most extreme gay voice and mannerisms I've ever met was married to a woman and equently talked about his viss to strip clubs.
THE GAY VOICE
People wh stereotypilly high-pched or ‘mp’ voic n fd people assumg that they’re gay, acrdg to one Amerin film-maker - even if they aren’t. Likewise, men wh ep voic n fd themselv wrongly assumed to be beg straight. * how to not sound gay *
[quote]I'd say 1 out of every 10 gay guys I meet do not have any "gay voice" flectns--voice and mannerisms, and that about 1 out of every 5 are "flam om space" gay wh very extreme gay voice and mannerisms. I will support someone's else's advice: this day and age, I don't thk they really re if you're GAY or not (and probably most would be down for a discreet BJ). It's not like black people llg each other the n-word, bee 's often ed as a way to "remd" other gay men that they are "ls than" as well.by Anonymoreply 48April 2, 2017 2:38 PM.
A lot of gay men, I've noticed, particularly young on emulate the speech patterns of teenage girls: drawg out vowels, uptalkg, too many "lik," why, speakg wh hancy rather than wh assurance, speakg fast and excedly, etc. They advertently mimic their new iends' speech pattern, and subnscly adopt as their own.I agree that a vol ach n tra you to speak a mascule way, particularly if droppg your gay soundg iends isn't a sirable optn for you, and if hangg wh straight soundg men seems equally unsirable or unattaable.Gay voice do seem to be an affected accent (like the boys' the posted vio), but if you're havg a good time wh good iends, and also lovg your life, then maybe you simply shouldn't not give a damn about your voice, and jt nfintly speak like the gay man you actually are.Offse Lkby Anonymoreply 62April 2, 2017 4:23 PM. In this way physil scientists n study the vol register of mal and turns out that gay voice is related to a specific equency measure Hertz characteristic of a speech pattern known as falsetto.
Obvly this is a very simplistic explanatn but you get the pot.In fact,neher heterosexualy nor gay voice would happen if the exposure to femal is elimated, bee the female sex is what nuerophysicists ll an "agent or a vector". Do not buy any of the ncepts given by psychologists and so lled social "scientists regardg "sexualy"!!!!!The theori are the reason why sexual aroal is label as homosexualy and heterosexualy, and ncepts such as "sexual attractn" or "sexual orientatn" are monly ed stead. Exgay therapists love the psychology fabrited terms bee the terms overlook the nrologil of aroal,which is somethg that we do not choose, sce is impossible to ntrol the way our nrons functn when absorbg sexual stimuli.by Anonymoreply 63April 2, 2017 4:30 PM.
THIS IS WHY SOME MEN ‘SOUND GAY’ – EVEN IF THEY’RE NOT
Homophobia is discrimatn, fear, or hatred of gay (and often bisexual) people. It tak many forms, cludg acts of vlence, feelgs of hate, or gtur of fear. Both dividuals or groups n be homophobic and n create hostile... * how to not sound gay *
Faster rate of speech is associated wh femy, so if you're lookg to get rid of that, go for that lanic way of speakg that Jenngs was a geni at.I haven't taken the time to fully analyze what people ll "gay voice" but a cursory listen mak me thk that some "gay voice" has to do wh addg a ntuo "breaths" and staed timbre--thk the female teacher who would sg-song say "People!" to get the class to attentn.
Perhaps my own tert rs, and associatns wh a lot of straight guys also terted rs has prevented me om pickg up 'gay voice'.I n talk wh them about rs too - but I n't keep talkg about them for AS LONG as they do.My md starts to wanr and I get a headache.by Anonymoreply 77April 2, 2017 6:32 PM.
People wh gay voice sound wishy-washy and unsure of themselv, which mak me thk 's more a rult of your state of md and how you view yourself.by Anonymoreply 83April 2, 2017 7:29 PM. Even if you have the voice of Barry Whe, you will sound gay if you're are llg guys "girl," "she," or talkg about divas and show tun.by Anonymoreply 100April 3, 2017 3:33 AM. As a sger seems so strange to me that gay men live smaller liv wh more paful problems than choir sgers, amatr actors, CEO's, preachers or porn performers.
I LIKE GUYS BUT I DON’T WANT TO BE GAY. HOW DO I STOP BEG GAY?
* how to not sound gay *
[quote] would be hard to remember to force your voice to a lower register every time you speak;I thk that's a misnceptn about gay voice, that 's a matter of lowerg your tone...there are many gay men wh DEEP barone voic, who still sound gay as ever.
People 's "EFFEMINATE" not "feme"!effemate or feme - "Both are adjectiv that mean 'womanly,' but effemate is ed (ually a negative way) to scribe the thgs about a man that are non-mascule, while feme is ually ed to scribe the thgs about a woman or genr-ntral object that are associated wh beg female."And i agree "Do I Sound Gay" is a really an rmative documentaryOffse Lkby Anonymoreply 111April 6, 2017 6:04 PM.
Sometim Southern men sound gay but really aren't and some that sound like the biggt hillbilly the world are as gay as Christmas.by Anonymoreply 133June 14, 2017 4:33 AM.
"DO I SOUND GAY?"
In Do I Sound Gay?, director David Thorpe search for the orig of the so-lled "gay voice" and documents his own attempts (wh speech pathologist San Sank) to sound "ls gay." * how to not sound gay *
If someone asked me if I was gay right after I met them, as the OP says is happeng to him, I'd tell them to go fuck themselv and md their own fuckg bs if they didn't want a boot their ass. After intifyg phoic characteristics that seem to make a man’s voice sound gay, their bt hunch is that some gay men may subnscly adopt certa female speech patterns.
FILMMAKER AND SPEECH PATHOLOGIST WEIGH IN ON WHAT IT MEANS TO 'SOUND GAY'
What the way we talk says about gay pri and lgerg prejudice * how to not sound gay *
When you hear somethg negative such as “gays go agast God’s plan” or “all gays are pedophil, ” adopt some of the followg techniqu to succsfully al wh this speech:. Article SummaryXIn today’s society, n be hard to filter out hateful ias about people who are different, but wh some practice, you’ll be able to change your habs and stop beg homophobic. Disregardg all evince that the ex-gay movement is credibly damagg to more than 90% of those who unrgo "treatment" (bee they clearly jt didn't believe God enough), Settg Captiv Free wants you to know that you were not "born this way.
" Homosexualy is a s that you need to purge om your system, and the only way to do is to follow their three-parts-a-day the app is only downloadable om Google Play (iTun and the 69, 822+ people who petned them don't believe nversn therapy for some reason), there is an abridged versn available on the mistry’s webse. Stop Callg Your Homosexualy an "Alternative Liftyle": It's "Wicked, " "Evil, " and a "S": The are the only thgs you should ever ll om now on, preferably hhed ton. Change For the Right Reasons (the Glory Of God): After all, homosexualy is nothg but "lt, porn, and sexual immoraly, " ss that are applible only to gay people and never to straight on.
WHAT MEANS TO ‘SOUND GAY’
Remove Yourself From Anythg Even Remotely Gay: Don't watch porn (aga, 's only a gay thg), don't go on gay webs, and most of all, certaly don't associate wh gay people.
Realize That Beg Homosexual Mak You Feel Alone Fet that we told you to shut yourself away om most of the world, and ignore the ia that maybe gay people feel so alone bee of the discrimatory and hateful attus that they face, helped by people like .
It's somethg I and many others who "sound gay" have stggled wh acceptg about voice has always been sort of an Achill' heel to my otherwise thick-skned persona. But childhood securi never fa though, and even today, when kids nocently ask why I "have a funny voice" I start wasn't until I started playg Overwatch, Blizzard Entertament's massively popular and cult-like onle team-based shooter, that I learned that my gay voice has some advantag too.
MY GAY VOICE AND YOURS
I didn't tell them that they uldn't que unrstand my fears, and was no surprise to me that the on who had no qualms about g the mike were also "masc" or "straight-passg, " at least by and I still game together, and as a very flamboyant homosexual, he related to my hatn. It immediately marked me as a gay man which ma easy for other queer gamers to intify and relate to that wasn't enough, the very same day we picked up yet another random teammate.
Through a seri of terviews and teractns wh Thorpe’s iends and relativ, a few celebri, and random strangers on the streets, we hear a spectm of perspectiv about what “sounds gay” and why soundg as such is perceived as bad. Many of the gay men the film adm to beg que fortable wh the sounds of their voic, not fully unrstandg why Thorpe would feel so strongly about his voice that he would even vis a speech pathologist and a celebry vol traer to get rid of his “gay voice.