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- THE WORLD'S FIRST GAY TV PROGRAM: "THE EMERALD CY"THE GROUNDBREAKG, OFTEN FOTTEN SERI SPOTLIGHTED KEY FIXTUR OF GAY NEW YORK, OM DIVE TO LARRY {FONT:NORMAL 800 1.2REM/1.2 "D BOLD",SANS-SERIF;TEXT-TRANSFORM:NORMAL;LOR:HER;DISPLAY:LE-BLOCK;PADDG-BOTTOM:6PX;POSN:RELATIVE;TEXT-TRANSFORM:UPPERSE;}{BACKGROUND:#89308A;BOTTOM:0;NTENT:'';DISPLAY:BLOCK;HEIGHT:2PX;LEFT:0;POSN:ABSOLUTE;RIGHT:0;-WEBK-TRANSN:ALL 0.2S EASE;TRANSN:ALL 0.2S EASE;WIDTH:100%;}{LEFT:51%;RIGHT:51%;WIDTH:0;}{FONT:NORMAL 800 1.2REM/1.2 "D BOLD",SANS-SERIF;TEXT-TRANSFORM:NORMAL;LOR:HER;DISPLAY:LE-BLOCK;PADDG-BOTTOM:6PX;POSN:RELATIVE;TEXT-TRANSFORM:UPPERSE;}{BACKGROUND:#89308A;BOTTOM:0;NTENT:'';DISPLAY:BLOCK;HEIGHT:2PX;LEFT:0;POSN:ABSOLUTE;RIGHT:0;-WEBK-TRANSN:ALL 0.2S EASE;TRANSN:ALL 0.2S EASE;WIDTH:100%;}{LEFT:51%;RIGHT:51%;WIDTH:0;}TVBY MIKE MIKSCHEJULY 23, 2018/12:29 {HEIGHT:HER;DISPLAY:-WEBK-BOX;DISPLAY:-WEBK-FLEX;DISPLAY:-MS-FLEXBOX;DISPLAY:FLEX;POSN:RELATIVE;-WEBK-FLEX-WRAP:WRAP;-MS-FLEX-WRAP:WRAP;FLEX-WRAP:WRAP;-WEBK-ALIGN-EMS:CENTER;-WEBK-BOX-ALIGN:CENTER;-MS-FLEX-ALIGN:CENTER;ALIGN-EMS:CENTER;-WEBK-BOX-PACK:CENTER;-WEBK-JTIFY-NTENT:CENTER;-MS-FLEX-PACK:CENTER;JTIFY-NTENT:CENTER;-WEBK-TRANSFORM-ORIG:CENTER;-MS-TRANSFORM-ORIG:CENTER;TRANSFORM-ORIG:CENTER;} IMG{HEIGHT:100%;WIDTH:100%;OBJECT-F:VER;}{HEIGHT:2598PX;WIDTH:3834PX;}LEE BLACK CHILRS/REDFERNSUNITED STATES - JANUARY 01: PHOTO OF DIVINE (PHOTO BY LEEE BLACK CHILRS/REDFERNS)BY MIKE MIKSCHEJULY 23, 2018 / 12:29 PM{"@NTEXT":","@TYPE":"NEWSARTICLE","HEADLE":"THE WORLD'S FIRST GAY TV PROGRAM: \"THE EMERALD CY\"","THUMBNAILURL":","DATEPUBLISHED":"2018-07-23T16:29:51.000+0000","DATEMODIFIED":"2018-07-23T16:29:51.000+0000","IMAGE":{"@NTEXT":","@TYPE":"IMAGEOBJECT","URL":","WIDTH":1920,"HEIGHT":1080},"URL":","THOR":{"@TYPE":"ORGANIZATN","NAME":"LOGO TV"},"MAENTYOFPAGE":{"@TYPE":"WEBPAGE","@ID":"},"PUBLISHER":{"@TYPE":"ORGANIZATN","@ID":","NAME":"LOGO TV","URL":","LOGO":{"@TYPE":"IMAGEOBJECT"}},"CREATOR":"MIKE MIKSCHE","ARTICLESECTN":"TV"}{BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}IT’S WILD TO IMAGE THAT OVER 40 YEARS AGO THERE WAS A GAY TV PROGRAM THAT HAD NEWS REPORTS, CLUB PERFORMANC, AND -PTH TERVIEWS WH WRERS, PORN STARS, FILM DIRECTORS, AND OTHERS OM ALL WALKS OF LIFE. IT WAS LLED THE EMERALD CY AND WAS DUBBED THE NEW YORK TIM AS “THE WORLD'S FIRST TELEVISN SHOW FOR GAY MEN AND WOMEN.”{BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}FIRST PRODUCED 1976, THE EMERALD CY SPOKE TO PROMENT GAY FIGUR LIKE JOHN WATERS, DAVID HOCKNEY, AND LARRY KRAMER. IT AIRED ON A LEASED ACCS CHANNEL WHERE EUGENE B. STAVIS, FRANK O'DOWD, AND STEVEN BIE BOUGHT AIRTIME AND SOLD ADVERTISG TIME. WHAT BEGAN NEW YORK CY, WAS SOON AVAILABLE TO GAY PEOPLE SAN FRANCIS AND LOS ANGEL, BEFORE THE EMERALD CY CEASED PRODUCTN 1978. TODAY, LIV ON THE RNERS OF YOUTUBE AS A FASCATG TIME PSULE FOR A GOLN AGE OF GAY {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;DISPLAY:-WEBK-BOX;DISPLAY:-WEBK-FLEX;DISPLAY:-MS-FLEXBOX;DISPLAY:FLEX;-WEBK-BOX-PACK:CENTER;-WEBK-JTIFY-NTENT:CENTER;-MS-FLEX-PACK:CENTER;JTIFY-NTENT:CENTER;POSN:RELATIVE;PADDG-BOTTOM:75%;} .TWTER-TWEET-RENRED, {M-WIDTH:65%;WIDTH:TO !IMPORTANT;} {WIDTH:100%;} {MARG-LEFT:TO !IMPORTANT;MARG-RIGHT:TO !IMPORTANT;} IMG{MAX-WIDTH:100%;WIDTH:100%;} > IAME{BORR:NONE;MAX-WIDTH:100%;} > *{MAX-WIDTH:NONE !IMPORTANT;POSN:ABSOLUTE;HEIGHT:100% !IMPORTANT;WIDTH:100% !IMPORTANT;}{BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}STAVIS, THE EXECUTIVE PRODUCER, AND O’DOWD, THE WRER-DIRECTOR, HAVE SCE PASSED AWAY. O’DOWD’S EX-LOVER, BIE, WHO IS STILL NEW YORK, WAS A PRODUCER ON THE SHOW AND ALSO HANDLED S ADVERTISG AND MARKETG. LEGENDARY PORN DIRECTOR WAKEFIELD POOLE AND ACTOR KEN KLIBAN HELPED TERVIEW GUTS (POOLE WAS ALSO TERVIEWED HIMSELF). THE THREE, ALONG WH BARET SGER SELMA HAZOURI, WHO WAS FEATURED ON THE SHOW, TALKED TO NEWNOWNEXT ABOUT WHAT MEANT TO BE A PART OF THE WORLD'S FIRST GAY TELEVISN PROGRAM THE '{BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}THE {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;DISPLAY:-WEBK-BOX;DISPLAY:-WEBK-FLEX;DISPLAY:-MS-FLEXBOX;DISPLAY:FLEX;-WEBK-BOX-PACK:CENTER;-WEBK-JTIFY-NTENT:CENTER;-MS-FLEX-PACK:CENTER;JTIFY-NTENT:CENTER;POSN:RELATIVE;PADDG-BOTTOM:75%;} .TWTER-TWEET-RENRED, {M-WIDTH:65%;WIDTH:TO !IMPORTANT;} {WIDTH:100%;} {MARG-LEFT:TO !IMPORTANT;MARG-RIGHT:TO !IMPORTANT;} IMG{MAX-WIDTH:100%;WIDTH:100%;} > IAME{BORR:NONE;MAX-WIDTH:100%;} > *{MAX-WIDTH:NONE !IMPORTANT;POSN:ABSOLUTE;HEIGHT:100% !IMPORTANT;WIDTH:100% !IMPORTANT;}{BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}WAKEFIELD POOLE: FRANK WAS TO TV PRODUCTN AND WAS VERY MUCH A GAY ACTIVIST AND JT HAPPENED. IT’S LIKE I MA MY MOVI. IT JT HAPPENED. THEY GOT TOGETHER AND, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE TALKG AND GENE SAID, WELL, “I’LL PRODUCE AND WE’LL DO .”{BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}STEVEN BIE: PUBLIC LEASE WAS A NEW TYPE OF THG AND NOBODY KNEW WHAT TO DO WH . THE EMERALD CY WAS ONE OF THE FIRST—NOT ONLY THE FACT OF BEG GAY—[TO E] BLE AND WHAT THEY ED TO LL... NARROWSTG—[BEE] YOU WERE BEG VERY {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}KEN KILBAN: IT WAS [STAVIS’] BRACHILD AND FRANK WAS A IEND OF HIS AND I WAS A IEND OF HIS, SO HE BROACHED THE SUBJECT TO ME. HE KNEW I WAS AN ACTOR, SO I GAVE [TERVIEWG] A TRY. I MEAN, WAS THE FIRST TIME I’D EVER TERVIEWED ANYONE, CERTALY ON FILM, AND WAS A LTLE AMATRISH, BUT WAS {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}A REFLECTN OF THE (GAY) {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;DISPLAY:-WEBK-BOX;DISPLAY:-WEBK-FLEX;DISPLAY:-MS-FLEXBOX;DISPLAY:FLEX;-WEBK-BOX-PACK:CENTER;-WEBK-JTIFY-NTENT:CENTER;-MS-FLEX-PACK:CENTER;JTIFY-NTENT:CENTER;POSN:RELATIVE;PADDG-BOTTOM:75%;} .TWTER-TWEET-RENRED, {M-WIDTH:65%;WIDTH:TO !IMPORTANT;} {WIDTH:100%;} {MARG-LEFT:TO !IMPORTANT;MARG-RIGHT:TO !IMPORTANT;} IMG{MAX-WIDTH:100%;WIDTH:100%;} > IAME{BORR:NONE;MAX-WIDTH:100%;} > *{MAX-WIDTH:NONE !IMPORTANT;POSN:ABSOLUTE;HEIGHT:100% !IMPORTANT;WIDTH:100% !IMPORTANT;}{BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}BIE: GAY PEOPLE WERE G OUT AND WAS ABOUT BUILDG UP CULTURE AND ALSO MAKG MONEY. YOU KNOW, THAT YOU ULD ACTUALLY CREATE A HIGH-QUALY PRODUCT AND MAKE MONEY SELLG ADVERTISEMENTS AND THAT WAS THE {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}POOLE:WE WERE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE A GAY TELEVISN SHOW EMANATE OM NEW YORK, AND A PLATFORM TO PUT IAS OUT THERE AND WHAT LIFE WAS REALLY LIKE TO BE {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}BIE: THE BIG SELLG POT OF THE SHOW WAS THIS IA OF GOG TO BARETS AND GOG TO LOTNS BEE YOU HAVE THIS PORTABILY OF THIS THREE-QUARTER CH {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}SELMA HAZOURI: IT WAS ALSO ONE OF THE FEW PLAC, ANY TIME, ANY VENUE, WHETHER WAS PAID PRT OR TV OR ANYTHG, THAT FEATURED {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}BIE: THE WORK THAT THE PEOPLE WERE DOG BARETS WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN TAPED OR RERD BY ANYONE. THERE’S STUFF ON DIVE FOR THE NEON {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}BUILDG A {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;DISPLAY:-WEBK-BOX;DISPLAY:-WEBK-FLEX;DISPLAY:-MS-FLEXBOX;DISPLAY:FLEX;-WEBK-BOX-PACK:CENTER;-WEBK-JTIFY-NTENT:CENTER;-MS-FLEX-PACK:CENTER;JTIFY-NTENT:CENTER;POSN:RELATIVE;PADDG-BOTTOM:75%;} .TWTER-TWEET-RENRED, {M-WIDTH:65%;WIDTH:TO !IMPORTANT;} {WIDTH:100%;} {MARG-LEFT:TO !IMPORTANT;MARG-RIGHT:TO !IMPORTANT;} IMG{MAX-WIDTH:100%;WIDTH:100%;} > IAME{BORR:NONE;MAX-WIDTH:100%;} > *{MAX-WIDTH:NONE !IMPORTANT;POSN:ABSOLUTE;HEIGHT:100% !IMPORTANT;WIDTH:100% !IMPORTANT;}{BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}POOLE: THE PEOPLE STARTED TALKG ABOUT , AND [STAVIS] GOT BIGGER AND BIGGER PEOPLE TO E ON BEE WAS SUCH A WI SPE, A WI VARIETY. YOU DIDN’T HAVE TO BE GAY TO BE ON THE SHOW BUT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF GAYS LOVE CHER AND I’M SURE IF CHER HAD BEEN AROUND SHE WOULD’VE PROBABLY DONE {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}BIE: IT WAS REALLY PRETTY GLAMORO, PRETTY EXCG TO HAVE THIS LEVEL OF PEOPLE AND JT A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WERE PRETTY BIG THEIR REERS AND NOT MDG JT SAYG MATTER OF FACT THAT THEY WERE GAY. IT WAS MORE ABOUT CELEBRATG THEIR {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}KILBAN: I THK WAS A LIBERATG AND ELEVATG AND ENLIGHTENG EXPERIENCE. IT WAS... A CULTURAL EVENT. IT REALLY HAD VERY LTLE TO DO WH {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}BIE: IT WAS FUN AND WAS EXCG. THERE WAS ALSO A SENSE THAT [THERE WAS] GOG TO BE A GREAT NEW WORLD FOR GAY PEOPLE, AND ALSO, WAS NEW YORK REALLY G AROUND. SO I THK WAS ABOUT BEG NEW YORKERS, WAS ABOUT THE EXCEMENT OF THE ENERGY THAT WAS NEW YORK THE ‘70S. IT WAS REALLY QUE A WONRFUL {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;CLEAR:BOTH;}{BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;MARG:0 TO;WIDTH:90%;M-WIDTH:288PX;MAX-WIDTH:1440PX;M-HEIGHT:194PX;}LATT NEWS
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THE WORLD'S FIRST GAY TV PROGRAM: "THE EMERALD CY"THE GROUNDBREAKG, OFTEN FOTTEN SERI SPOTLIGHTED KEY FIXTUR OF GAY NEW YORK, OM DIVE TO LARRY {FONT:NORMAL 800 1.2REM/1.2 "D BOLD",SANS-SERIF;TEXT-TRANSFORM:NORMAL;LOR:HER;DISPLAY:LE-BLOCK;PADDG-BOTTOM:6PX;POSN:RELATIVE;TEXT-TRANSFORM:UPPERSE;}{BACKGROUND:#89308A;BOTTOM:0;NTENT:'';DISPLAY:BLOCK;HEIGHT:2PX;LEFT:0;POSN:ABSOLUTE;RIGHT:0;-WEBK-TRANSN:ALL 0.2S EASE;TRANSN:ALL 0.2S EASE;WIDTH:100%;}{LEFT:51%;RIGHT:51%;WIDTH:0;}{FONT:NORMAL 800 1.2REM/1.2 "D BOLD",SANS-SERIF;TEXT-TRANSFORM:NORMAL;LOR:HER;DISPLAY:LE-BLOCK;PADDG-BOTTOM:6PX;POSN:RELATIVE;TEXT-TRANSFORM:UPPERSE;}{BACKGROUND:#89308A;BOTTOM:0;NTENT:'';DISPLAY:BLOCK;HEIGHT:2PX;LEFT:0;POSN:ABSOLUTE;RIGHT:0;-WEBK-TRANSN:ALL 0.2S EASE;TRANSN:ALL 0.2S EASE;WIDTH:100%;}{LEFT:51%;RIGHT:51%;WIDTH:0;}TVBY MIKE MIKSCHEJULY 23, 2018/12:29 {HEIGHT:HER;DISPLAY:-WEBK-BOX;DISPLAY:-WEBK-FLEX;DISPLAY:-MS-FLEXBOX;DISPLAY:FLEX;POSN:RELATIVE;-WEBK-FLEX-WRAP:WRAP;-MS-FLEX-WRAP:WRAP;FLEX-WRAP:WRAP;-WEBK-ALIGN-EMS:CENTER;-WEBK-BOX-ALIGN:CENTER;-MS-FLEX-ALIGN:CENTER;ALIGN-EMS:CENTER;-WEBK-BOX-PACK:CENTER;-WEBK-JTIFY-NTENT:CENTER;-MS-FLEX-PACK:CENTER;JTIFY-NTENT:CENTER;-WEBK-TRANSFORM-ORIG:CENTER;-MS-TRANSFORM-ORIG:CENTER;TRANSFORM-ORIG:CENTER;} IMG{HEIGHT:100%;WIDTH:100%;OBJECT-F:VER;}{HEIGHT:2598PX;WIDTH:3834PX;}LEE BLACK CHILRS/REDFERNSUNITED STATES - JANUARY 01: PHOTO OF DIVINE (PHOTO BY LEEE BLACK CHILRS/REDFERNS)BY MIKE MIKSCHEJULY 23, 2018 / 12:29 PM{"@NTEXT":","@TYPE":"NEWSARTICLE","HEADLE":"THE WORLD'S FIRST GAY TV PROGRAM: \"THE EMERALD CY\"","THUMBNAILURL":","DATEPUBLISHED":"2018-07-23T16:29:51.000+0000","DATEMODIFIED":"2018-07-23T16:29:51.000+0000","IMAGE":{"@NTEXT":","@TYPE":"IMAGEOBJECT","URL":","WIDTH":1920,"HEIGHT":1080},"URL":","THOR":{"@TYPE":"ORGANIZATN","NAME":"LOGO TV"},"MAENTYOFPAGE":{"@TYPE":"WEBPAGE","@ID":"},"PUBLISHER":{"@TYPE":"ORGANIZATN","@ID":","NAME":"LOGO TV","URL":","LOGO":{"@TYPE":"IMAGEOBJECT"}},"CREATOR":"MIKE MIKSCHE","ARTICLESECTN":"TV"}{BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}IT’S WILD TO IMAGE THAT OVER 40 YEARS AGO THERE WAS A GAY TV PROGRAM THAT HAD NEWS REPORTS, CLUB PERFORMANC, AND -PTH TERVIEWS WH WRERS, PORN STARS, FILM DIRECTORS, AND OTHERS OM ALL WALKS OF LIFE. IT WAS LLED THE EMERALD CY AND WAS DUBBED THE NEW YORK TIM AS “THE WORLD'S FIRST TELEVISN SHOW FOR GAY MEN AND WOMEN.”{BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}FIRST PRODUCED 1976, THE EMERALD CY SPOKE TO PROMENT GAY FIGUR LIKE JOHN WATERS, DAVID HOCKNEY, AND LARRY KRAMER. IT AIRED ON A LEASED ACCS CHANNEL WHERE EUGENE B. STAVIS, FRANK O'DOWD, AND STEVEN BIE BOUGHT AIRTIME AND SOLD ADVERTISG TIME. WHAT BEGAN NEW YORK CY, WAS SOON AVAILABLE TO GAY PEOPLE SAN FRANCIS AND LOS ANGEL, BEFORE THE EMERALD CY CEASED PRODUCTN 1978. TODAY, LIV ON THE RNERS OF YOUTUBE AS A FASCATG TIME PSULE FOR A GOLN AGE OF GAY {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;DISPLAY:-WEBK-BOX;DISPLAY:-WEBK-FLEX;DISPLAY:-MS-FLEXBOX;DISPLAY:FLEX;-WEBK-BOX-PACK:CENTER;-WEBK-JTIFY-NTENT:CENTER;-MS-FLEX-PACK:CENTER;JTIFY-NTENT:CENTER;POSN:RELATIVE;PADDG-BOTTOM:75%;} .TWTER-TWEET-RENRED, {M-WIDTH:65%;WIDTH:TO !IMPORTANT;} {WIDTH:100%;} {MARG-LEFT:TO !IMPORTANT;MARG-RIGHT:TO !IMPORTANT;} IMG{MAX-WIDTH:100%;WIDTH:100%;} > IAME{BORR:NONE;MAX-WIDTH:100%;} > *{MAX-WIDTH:NONE !IMPORTANT;POSN:ABSOLUTE;HEIGHT:100% !IMPORTANT;WIDTH:100% !IMPORTANT;}{BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}STAVIS, THE EXECUTIVE PRODUCER, AND O’DOWD, THE WRER-DIRECTOR, HAVE SCE PASSED AWAY. O’DOWD’S EX-LOVER, BIE, WHO IS STILL NEW YORK, WAS A PRODUCER ON THE SHOW AND ALSO HANDLED S ADVERTISG AND MARKETG. LEGENDARY PORN DIRECTOR WAKEFIELD POOLE AND ACTOR KEN KLIBAN HELPED TERVIEW GUTS (POOLE WAS ALSO TERVIEWED HIMSELF). THE THREE, ALONG WH BARET SGER SELMA HAZOURI, WHO WAS FEATURED ON THE SHOW, TALKED TO NEWNOWNEXT ABOUT WHAT MEANT TO BE A PART OF THE WORLD'S FIRST GAY TELEVISN PROGRAM THE '{BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}THE {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;DISPLAY:-WEBK-BOX;DISPLAY:-WEBK-FLEX;DISPLAY:-MS-FLEXBOX;DISPLAY:FLEX;-WEBK-BOX-PACK:CENTER;-WEBK-JTIFY-NTENT:CENTER;-MS-FLEX-PACK:CENTER;JTIFY-NTENT:CENTER;POSN:RELATIVE;PADDG-BOTTOM:75%;} .TWTER-TWEET-RENRED, {M-WIDTH:65%;WIDTH:TO !IMPORTANT;} {WIDTH:100%;} {MARG-LEFT:TO !IMPORTANT;MARG-RIGHT:TO !IMPORTANT;} IMG{MAX-WIDTH:100%;WIDTH:100%;} > IAME{BORR:NONE;MAX-WIDTH:100%;} > *{MAX-WIDTH:NONE !IMPORTANT;POSN:ABSOLUTE;HEIGHT:100% !IMPORTANT;WIDTH:100% !IMPORTANT;}{BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}WAKEFIELD POOLE: FRANK WAS TO TV PRODUCTN AND WAS VERY MUCH A GAY ACTIVIST AND JT HAPPENED. IT’S LIKE I MA MY MOVI. IT JT HAPPENED. THEY GOT TOGETHER AND, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE TALKG AND GENE SAID, WELL, “I’LL PRODUCE AND WE’LL DO .”{BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}STEVEN BIE: PUBLIC LEASE WAS A NEW TYPE OF THG AND NOBODY KNEW WHAT TO DO WH . THE EMERALD CY WAS ONE OF THE FIRST—NOT ONLY THE FACT OF BEG GAY—[TO E] BLE AND WHAT THEY ED TO LL... NARROWSTG—[BEE] YOU WERE BEG VERY {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}KEN KILBAN: IT WAS [STAVIS’] BRACHILD AND FRANK WAS A IEND OF HIS AND I WAS A IEND OF HIS, SO HE BROACHED THE SUBJECT TO ME. HE KNEW I WAS AN ACTOR, SO I GAVE [TERVIEWG] A TRY. I MEAN, WAS THE FIRST TIME I’D EVER TERVIEWED ANYONE, CERTALY ON FILM, AND WAS A LTLE AMATRISH, BUT WAS {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}A REFLECTN OF THE (GAY) {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;DISPLAY:-WEBK-BOX;DISPLAY:-WEBK-FLEX;DISPLAY:-MS-FLEXBOX;DISPLAY:FLEX;-WEBK-BOX-PACK:CENTER;-WEBK-JTIFY-NTENT:CENTER;-MS-FLEX-PACK:CENTER;JTIFY-NTENT:CENTER;POSN:RELATIVE;PADDG-BOTTOM:75%;} .TWTER-TWEET-RENRED, {M-WIDTH:65%;WIDTH:TO !IMPORTANT;} {WIDTH:100%;} {MARG-LEFT:TO !IMPORTANT;MARG-RIGHT:TO !IMPORTANT;} IMG{MAX-WIDTH:100%;WIDTH:100%;} > IAME{BORR:NONE;MAX-WIDTH:100%;} > *{MAX-WIDTH:NONE !IMPORTANT;POSN:ABSOLUTE;HEIGHT:100% !IMPORTANT;WIDTH:100% !IMPORTANT;}{BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}BIE: GAY PEOPLE WERE G OUT AND WAS ABOUT BUILDG UP CULTURE AND ALSO MAKG MONEY. YOU KNOW, THAT YOU ULD ACTUALLY CREATE A HIGH-QUALY PRODUCT AND MAKE MONEY SELLG ADVERTISEMENTS AND THAT WAS THE {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}POOLE:WE WERE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE A GAY TELEVISN SHOW EMANATE OM NEW YORK, AND A PLATFORM TO PUT IAS OUT THERE AND WHAT LIFE WAS REALLY LIKE TO BE {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}BIE: THE BIG SELLG POT OF THE SHOW WAS THIS IA OF GOG TO BARETS AND GOG TO LOTNS BEE YOU HAVE THIS PORTABILY OF THIS THREE-QUARTER CH {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}SELMA HAZOURI: IT WAS ALSO ONE OF THE FEW PLAC, ANY TIME, ANY VENUE, WHETHER WAS PAID PRT OR TV OR ANYTHG, THAT FEATURED {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}BIE: THE WORK THAT THE PEOPLE WERE DOG BARETS WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN TAPED OR RERD BY ANYONE. THERE’S STUFF ON DIVE FOR THE NEON {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}BUILDG A {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;DISPLAY:-WEBK-BOX;DISPLAY:-WEBK-FLEX;DISPLAY:-MS-FLEXBOX;DISPLAY:FLEX;-WEBK-BOX-PACK:CENTER;-WEBK-JTIFY-NTENT:CENTER;-MS-FLEX-PACK:CENTER;JTIFY-NTENT:CENTER;POSN:RELATIVE;PADDG-BOTTOM:75%;} .TWTER-TWEET-RENRED, {M-WIDTH:65%;WIDTH:TO !IMPORTANT;} {WIDTH:100%;} {MARG-LEFT:TO !IMPORTANT;MARG-RIGHT:TO !IMPORTANT;} IMG{MAX-WIDTH:100%;WIDTH:100%;} > IAME{BORR:NONE;MAX-WIDTH:100%;} > *{MAX-WIDTH:NONE !IMPORTANT;POSN:ABSOLUTE;HEIGHT:100% !IMPORTANT;WIDTH:100% !IMPORTANT;}{BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}POOLE: THE PEOPLE STARTED TALKG ABOUT , AND [STAVIS] GOT BIGGER AND BIGGER PEOPLE TO E ON BEE WAS SUCH A WI SPE, A WI VARIETY. YOU DIDN’T HAVE TO BE GAY TO BE ON THE SHOW BUT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF GAYS LOVE CHER AND I’M SURE IF CHER HAD BEEN AROUND SHE WOULD’VE PROBABLY DONE {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}BIE: IT WAS REALLY PRETTY GLAMORO, PRETTY EXCG TO HAVE THIS LEVEL OF PEOPLE AND JT A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WERE PRETTY BIG THEIR REERS AND NOT MDG JT SAYG MATTER OF FACT THAT THEY WERE GAY. IT WAS MORE ABOUT CELEBRATG THEIR {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}KILBAN: I THK WAS A LIBERATG AND ELEVATG AND ENLIGHTENG EXPERIENCE. IT WAS... A CULTURAL EVENT. IT REALLY HAD VERY LTLE TO DO WH {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;PADDG:24PX 0;} A{LOR:#354A4E;-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;TEXT-RATN:UNRLE;} A:HOVER, A:FOC{-WEBK-TEXT-RATN:NONE;TEXT-RATN:NONE;} B, STRONG{FONT-WEIGHT:700;}BIE: IT WAS FUN AND WAS EXCG. THERE WAS ALSO A SENSE THAT [THERE WAS] GOG TO BE A GREAT NEW WORLD FOR GAY PEOPLE, AND ALSO, WAS NEW YORK REALLY G AROUND. SO I THK WAS ABOUT BEG NEW YORKERS, WAS ABOUT THE EXCEMENT OF THE ENERGY THAT WAS NEW YORK THE ‘70S. IT WAS REALLY QUE A WONRFUL {BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;CLEAR:BOTH;}{BOX-SIZG:BORR-BOX;MARG:0 TO;WIDTH:90%;M-WIDTH:288PX;MAX-WIDTH:1440PX;M-HEIGHT:194PX;}LATT NEWS
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It’s wild to image that over 40 years ago there was a gay TV program that had news reports, club performanc, and -pth terviews wh wrers, porn stars, film directors, and others om all walks of life. It was lled The Emerald Cy and was dubbed The New York Tim as “the world's first televisn show for gay men and women.
”First produced 1976, The Emerald Cy spoke to proment gay figur like John Waters, David Hockney, and Larry Kramer.
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What began New York Cy, was soon available to gay people San Francis and Los Angel, before The Emerald Cy ceased productn 1978. Today, liv on the rners of YouTube as a fascatg time psule for a goln age of gay, the executive producer, and O’Dowd, the wrer-director, have sce passed away.
The three, along wh baret sger Selma Hazouri, who was featured on the show, talked to NewNowNext about what meant to be a part of the world's first gay televisn program the ' BegngsWakefield Poole: Frank was to TV productn and was very much a gay activist and jt happened.
The Emerald Cy was one of the first—not only the fact of beg gay—[to e] ble and what they ed to ll... A Reflectn of the (Gay) TimBie: Gay people were g out and was about buildg up culture and also makg money.
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You know, that you uld actually create a high-qualy product and make money sellg advertisements and that was the were very happy to have a gay televisn show emanate om New York, and a platform to put ias out there and what life was really like to be The big sellg pot of the show was this ia of gog to barets and gog to lotns bee you have this portabily of this three-quarter ch Hazouri: It was also one of the few plac, any time, any venue, whether was paid prt or TV or anythg, that featured The work that the people were dog barets would never have been taped or rerd by anyone. You didn’t have to be gay to be on the show but, you know, a lot of gays love Cher and I’m sure if Cher had been around she would’ve probably done It was really pretty glamoro, pretty excg to have this level of people and jt a lot of people who were pretty big their reers and not mdg jt sayg matter of fact that they were gay.