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"As a gay guy myself, tonight's episo was so special to me," Borelli shared on Instagram.

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'GREY'S ANATOMY' CASTS ALEX LANDI AS SHOW'S FIRST GAY MALE SURGEON

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'GREY'S ANATOMY' ACTOR OUT AS GAY

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'GREY'S ANATOMY' ACTOR JAKE BORELLI'S CHARACTER ME OUT AS GAY. THEN HE DID TOO.

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But while the big reveal was blowg mds, another character’s return was pturg hearts.</p><p data-no-id="1" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">We first met Dr. Zanr Perez as a surgil rint at Pac North Hospal Season 16. He was an stant scene-stealer, tellg like is to the lik of Cathere Fox and Miranda Bailey. And when Zanr turned that attu on a racist patient this season’s premiere, the ter begged for him to bee a seri regular or get his own spoff.</p><style data-emotn="css 1b29sdr">{marg-bottom:0.9375rem;m-height:720px;width:100%;}@media(max-width: 30rem){{m-height:720px;}}@media(m-width: 40.625rem){{m-height:628px;}}@media(m-width: 48rem){{m-height:720px;}}@media(m-width: 64rem){{m-height:648px;}}</style><div ce=" data-vio-id="6894453313849412869?senr_vice=pc&senr_web_id=6898402865871242757&is_om_webapp=1" data-embed="tiktok" data-no-id="2" class="tiktok-embed embed align-center css-1b29sdr e12dwh2t0"><style data-emotn="css 8c6v">{posn:absolute;left:-10000px;top:to;width:1px;height:1px;overflow:hidn;}</style><div data-ad-exclu class="css-8c6v ehha8ut0">This ntent is imported om Tiktok. You may be able to fd the same ntent another format, or you may be able to fd more rmatn, at their web se.</div><div data-embed="Tiktok" class="embed css-0 ektkw391"><style data-emotn="css 1d3w5wq">{width:100%;}</style><div height="760" class="css-1d3w5wq ektkw390"></div><style data-emotn="css vaxtlc">{borr:none;overflow:hidn;}</style><iame tle="Tiktok" height="760" width="100%" aria-hidn="te" data-src=" class="lazyload css-vaxtlc ektkw392"></iame></div></div><p data-no-id="3" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">In different hands, Zanr would e off merely as a sassy sikick. But is thanks to the heart and soul behd him, Zaiver St, that Zanr also posss a joy and vibrancy which make him sudnly enarg.</p><p data-no-id="4" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">When he was younger, St thought he wanted a reer as the Pk Power Ranger and would play out his own ma-up versn of the show. But when St’s dad suggted he map out what he wanted the characters to say, St gave up the superhero path and started his life’s work of beg a wrer stead. He was eight years old then.</p><p data-no-id="5" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">Later down the le, me <em>Grey’s Anatomy</em>: the show that ma him want to wre for TV, that ma him feel ls alone his ral home Wt Virgia, and that ultimately changed his life. </p><p data-no-id="6" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">Now, St not only plays fan-favore Zanr — a dream he never saw g — but also wr on <em>Statn 19</em>, a piece of the dream he’s had all along. Wh the first full episo of televisn he’s ever wrten, <em>S19 </em>episo “We Are Fay,” airg on December 3, Shondaland chatted wh St about how his dream me full circle.</p><style data-emotn="css 18pb4rg">{borr:0;borr-bottom:th solid black;marg:1.875rem 0;clear:both;}</style><hr data-no-id="7" class="css-18pb4rg et3p2gv0" /><p data-no-id="8" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>BARBARA FRIEND: When did you first know you wanted to be a TV wrer?</strong></p><p data-no-id="9" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>ZAIVER SINNETT:</strong> When I was a teenager, I really started to fall love wh televisn. My holy TV try at the time was <em>One Tree Hill</em>, <em>Grey’s Anatomy</em>, and <em>Dperate Hoewiv</em>. And I remember very specifilly watchg the <em>Grey’s</em> Season 3 DVD extras, and Shonda was talkg about how she started that season wh Izzie her drs om the hospal’s prom, vastated on the bathroom floor, and end wh Crista cryg her weddg drs after gettg left at the altar. Shonda had created this betiful bookend, and that blew my md. I was 14, and I realized that wrg for televisn was a reer, that was a thg I uld do.</p><p data-no-id="10" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><em>Grey’s </em>was and still is my favore TV show, and I really looked up to Shonda. She had gone to USC for screenwrg. So, I said, “That’s what I’m gog to do, too. Exactly like she did. I n feel .” That really was the genis of all for me.</p><p data-no-id="11" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>BF: What was about TV and TV wrg that you loved so much?</strong></p><p data-no-id="12" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>ZS:</strong> I was born and raised Wt Virgia, and I love Wt Virgia, but I’m Black and gay and femme. It uld be isolatg at tim bee I would look around and didn’t see people who looked like me or who I uld relate to. So, I fell love wh televisn and <em>Grey’s</em>, specifilly, bee allowed me to look at Callie Torr and see this bisexual woman of lor jt dog her thg. Bailey and Richard looked like me. I uld watch that show and feel a ltle ls alone the world, and I knew I wanted to give that feelg to everyone else for the rt of my reer and the rt of my life.</p><p data-no-id="13" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">The betiful thg about televisn is you let to your home. Televisn is your livg room. It’s your bedroom. It’s your bathroom. The characters are wh you for five, 10, 17 years, and they bee your iends. 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Fast forward a … and not only did you achieve your dream, but you achieved </strong><strong><em></em></strong><strong> Shondaland — first as an assistant on </strong><strong><em>Grey’s</em></strong><strong> and now as a staff wrer on </strong><strong><em>Statn 19</em></strong><strong>. Can you even believe your life?</strong></p><p data-no-id="16" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>ZS:</strong> My first day at <em>Grey’s Anatomy </em>as an assistant was amazg. It was like I was given the keys to the ndy store bee now I had accs to the stori and the characters I loved so much. Walkg to the wrers’ room for the first time was such a moment for me. I felt like I’d ma . At the same time, I had a job to do. I was gettg lunch. I was the assistant to the assistants. But I wanted to add value to the show any way I uld. If I was gettg ffee, I felt like, “I will get your skny latte, honey, and ’s gog to be the bt skny latte you will get all week.” I jt wanted to ntribute.</p><p data-no-id="17" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">But I knew I didn’t want to be an assistant forever. There were staff chang Season 15, and I was offered a job as the assistant to [Executive Producers] Meg Maris and Andy Reaser. Krista [Vernoff, <em>Grey’s </em>and <em>Statn 19 </em>Shownner] explaed that that job would give me more time to wre. I knew I uld be outsi Meg and Andy’s offic, listeng to them talk stori, absorbg all that I uld, but also tryg to wre my way to the next stage of my reer.</p><p data-no-id="18" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">I wrote script after script. Lerally, I wrote a disgtg amount before eventually applyg to the Walt Disney Televisn Wrg Program. And I got ! So, the middle of Season 16, I left <em>Grey’s</em> for the program. I never thought I’d leave. I thought they’d have to force me away om that place. But a uple months later, the program reached out to Krista to see if she’d nsir staffg me as a wrer, and she soped me back up and put me on <em>Statn 19</em>. </p><p data-no-id="19" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">Whenever good news happens to me, I jt lay my bed all day listeng to sad mic and starg at the ceilg <em>[lghs]</em>. That’s how I procs. I did this when I got to USC. I did this when I got my job at <em>Grey’s</em>, and I did this when I got staffed on <em>Statn 19</em>. To work so hard for this one thg and be able to achieve the same mp felt like a reflectn of how they saw me and the work I put there. Ultimately, I was jt really proud.</p><p data-no-id="20" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>BF: What n you tell about the very first episo of TV you wrote?</strong></p><p data-no-id="21" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>ZS:</strong> At the begng of the season, we pched episo ias to Krista. I pched an episo wh drag queens, and she said, “Absolutely! We’re dog that.” It was so ol to be wrg the characters I felt so passnate about. It’s four drag queens [one played by Shangela, of <em>Drag Race</em> fame] on work televisn. That wouldn’t have happened whout Krista and Kiley [Donovan, Co-Executive Producer] supportg that all the way through. It felt really special. </p><p data-no-id="22" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">Even throughout the prep procs, I was gettg emails sayg, “How do this wig look?” I was like, “Oh my goodns! This is my job? Pickg wigs?” I uldn’t believe . And [Executive Producer] Paris Barclay was my director. He’s so wonrful! We were havg the gayt, bt time on set. Lerally, every star aligned.</p><p data-no-id="23" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">My hope is that someone like me is gog to be watchg this the South or the Midwt or wherever and say, “I see people on screen that I relate to.” I feel so lucky that I got to do that my first episo.</p><p data-no-id="24" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>BF: I want to talk about what all the </strong><strong><em>Grey</em></strong><strong>’s fans are talkg about the days: Dr. Zanr Perez. Take behd the scen to the creatn of your character.</strong></p><p data-no-id="25" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>ZS:</strong> Sometime Season 15, there was a flicker of a character who was sassy like me, but that storyle went away. Then Season 16, Andy Reaser seemed hellbent on gettg a character like me on the show, but Zanr kept gettg cut out. Fally, Kiley wrote him to “Let’s All Go to the Bar,” and he stuck. I read the part the wrers’ room and the st table read. The part got a lot of lghs.</p><p data-no-id="26" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">Then — and I learned later that Andy had planted the seed — Krista looked at me and said, “I thk you should jt play Zanr. Would you want to?” Absolutely I did. She asked if I had any actg experience. I said, “Ummmm. I did some shorts grad school?” I had to go through a formal dn procs wh [Executive Producer] Debbie Allen. And I got the part!</p><div size="medium" data-embed="body-image" data-no-id="27" class="align-center size-medium embed css-1736von e1xqj1sx4"><div class="css-uwraif e1xqj1sx3"><img alt="st on the "grey's anatomy" set wh bbie allen" tle="St on the "Grey's Anatomy" set wh Debbie Allen. " loadg="lazy" width="4032" height="3024" dg="async" data-nimg="1" style="lor: transparent; width: 100%; height: to;" siz="100vw" srcSet=" 640w, 980w, 1120w, 1200w, 1920w" src="" class="css-0 exi4f7p0" /><div class="css-swqnqv e1xqj1sx2"><div class="css-37rghg e1xqj1sx1">St on the "Grey’s Anatomy" set wh Debbie Allen. </div><figptn class="css-1am3yn9 enfs9c50"><span class="css-pejqtf e6iqd2">Courty of Zaiver St</span></figptn></div></div></div><p data-no-id="28" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>BF: You’ve played Zanr four episos now. Clips of you have lns of views on TikTok. You’re an ter star! What has playg this role done for you?</strong></p><p data-no-id="29" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>ZS:</strong> Actg has ma me a better wrer. Bee I’ve been on set and know how to analyze a scene ont of the mera, ’s given me a new perspective. When I wre scen now, I look at them differently.</p><p data-no-id="30" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">It’s also nnected me to this fandom that I’ve been a part of for so long. That was me a ago and still is. Like, I was jt as shocked to see good ol’ Derek Shepherd on that beach. I was one of the fans, and I feel like I now get to say to them, “One of ma , y’all!” I thk speaks to the mache and the succs that is <em>Grey’s Anatomy</em>. To watch that show as a teenager, and then ’s still on when I’m an adult. And then I got to work on after I graduated. And then ’s still on long enough that I got to act … I’m jt so grateful to ntribute to that legacy, whether as an assistant gettg ffee or gettg to say l as Zanr. I still haven’t fully procsed .</p><p data-no-id="31" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>BF: Have you ever seen yourself fully reprented on TV before?</strong></p><p data-no-id="32" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>ZS:</strong> Fully? Okay, to be fair to the universe <em>[lghs]</em>, I’m a very specific person. I’m Black. I’m gay. I’m super femme. I’m fe wh he/him pronouns, but mentally, I don’t fully align wh men even though I’m fortable my body. And I’m also chunky! So, to pture all of that on TV is a very hard thg. There are not a lot of , but there are more of than you thk!</p><p data-no-id="33" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">The clost I’ve e is watchg <em>Pose</em>. That was the very first time I’d seen characters a scripted show that really nnected wh me. Even though those characters are primarily transgenr women, I still felt nnected to them a very specific way that I hadn’t experienced before. But no, I’ve never fully seen myself on screen until I was lerally the one onscreen playg Zanr.</p><p data-no-id="34" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>BF: What do you thk means for other people to see you, to see Zanr?</strong></p><p data-no-id="35" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>ZS:</strong> Someone tweeted at me recently that they fally felt reprented when they saw Zanr on TV. When I was first playg Zanr, I wasn’t even thkg about that. It was jt this fun, amazg thg I got to do. But to know that I, this chunky, Black, gay femme om Wt Virgia, uld reprent someone else who had been cravg that reprentatn felt really special. It took me back to when I was a teenager and sperately wantg someone on TV to intify wh. The fact that I’m dog that now for someone else still baffl me.</p><p data-no-id="36" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">As creativ, most of are here to nnect wh people that way. I want to be a creator, a shownner. If I don’t see more characters like me on screen until I wre them, that’s okay bee I’m gog to be wrg them. I’m gog to be puttg all kds of characters that people haven’t necsarily seen before on televisn. And not jt puttg them on screen, but makg them fully veloped characters wh jobs and love liv and fai, the good and the bad, the posiv and the negativ. I’m so exced to get to do that.</p><p data-no-id="37" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>BF: Most important qutn: are we gog to get more Zanr this season?</strong></p><p data-no-id="38" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>ZS:</strong> I hope so! We shall see.</p><hr data-no-id="39" class="css-18pb4rg et3p2gv0" /><p data-no-id="40" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><em>Barbara Friend is a queer televisn wrer whose creds clu </em>Statn 19<em> and the web seri </em>Grey's Anatomy: B-Team<em>. 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