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article-body__ntent"><div class="ArticlePageChunksContent-etcMtP bwyLBj"><div data-ttid="ArticlePageChunks" class="ArticlePageChunks-fLyCVG eOdfIs"><div class="GridWrapper-cAzTTK kHBDeH grid grid-margs grid-ems-2 ArticlePageChunksGrid-hfxa bjczjj grid-layout--adrail narrow wi-adrail"><div class="GridItem-buujkM stRKV grid--em grid-layout__ntent"><div class="BodyWrapper-kufPGa bectqB body body__ntaer article__body" data-journey-hook="client-ntent" data-ttid="BodyWrapper"><div class="body__ner-ntaer"><p> </p><p>Josie Totah had never seen a transgenr rtoon character before. So she beme one.</p><p>The voice of <a href="><em>Big Mouth’s</em> Natalie</a> tells <em>them.</em> that she got an email when she was a hman llege askg her to rerd an dn for the show. The producers had read a 2018 <a href=">say</a> <em>Time</em> magaze which the young actrs me out as a transgenr woman, and they were hopg she uld help troduce a new kd of LGBTQ+ reprentatn to Netflix’s popular animated gross-out edy.</p><div><div class="ConsumerMarketgUnThemedWrapper-iUTMTf jssHut nsumer-marketg-un nsumer-marketg-un--article-mid-ntent" role="prentatn" aria-hidn="te"><div class="nsumer-marketg-un__slot nsumer-marketg-un__slot--article-mid-ntent nsumer-marketg-un__slot---ntent"></div><div class="journey-un"></div></div></div><p>“All my iends were obssed wh the show,” says Totah. “I loved the show.”</p><div class="AdWrapper-dQtivb fZrssQ ad ad---ntent"><div class="ad__slot ad__slot---ntent" data-no-id="5p19k"></div></div><p>Specifilly, Totah rells that the stoners her dorm “really enjoy[ed] watchg while beg high” — somethg she says she’s lookg forward to dog herself when she turns 21. But imprsg llege iends isn’t the only reason Totah was thrilled to brg Natalie to life.</p><div class="Contaer-bkChBi byNLHx"></div><p>“To tell a story so thentilly and betifully and a funny way is such an amazg privilege,” she says.</p><div class="GenericCalloutWrapper-tojWn iezhXq llout--has-top-borr" data-ttid="GenericCallout"><div class="ContentCardEmbedWrapper-kULtsE iGAJsG ntent-rd-embed ntent-rd-embed--stacked" data-ttid="ContentCardEmbedWrapper"><div class="ContentCardEmbedImage-iwqgVw jlIubp ntent-rd-embed__image" data-ttid="ContentCardEmbedImage"><span class="SpanWrapper-umhxW jvZaPI rponsive-asset"><picture class="RponsiveImagePicture-cWuUZO dUOtEa rponsive-image"><img alt="Josie Totah as Natalie Big Mouth." class="RponsiveImageContaer-eybHBd fptoWY rponsive-image__image" src=" srcSet=" 120w, 240w, 320w, 640w" siz="100vw"/></picture></span></div><div class="ContentCardEmbedInfo-bDftKl bGnSrq"><div class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ ContentCardEmbedHed-kJVPGC iUEiRd gFmvMS cewqFA ntent-rd-embed__hed" data-ttid="ContentCardEmbedHed"><a class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ BaseLk-eNWuiM ContentCardEmbedHedLk-eXLwe iUEiRd gFmvMS hRaEiJ eFUKSb ntent-rd-embed__hed-lk" href="/story/big-mouth-season-four-josie-totah-patti-harrison-transgenr-character" data-ttid="ContentCardEmbedHedLk">I Didn’t Expect Much om <em>Big Mouth</em>’s New Trans Character — But She’s Amazg</a></div><div data-ttid="ContentCardEmbedDek" class="ContentCardEmbedDek-bA-DKch hXdQfY">Natalie, voiced by Josie Totah and wrten wh the help of Patti Harrison, is a close-to-ial reprentatn of trans life on screen</div></div></div></div><p>Natalie, whose story arc plays out across the <a href=">first three episos</a> of <em>Big Mouth</em>’s fourth season, is an eighth grar who returns to summer mp for the first time after g out as transgenr. Natalie has to al wh a barrage of vasive qutns om the boys — like “Do you pee standg up or lyg down?” — and she has to ph back agast subtler forms of genr policg om the girls, who want to make her look ls “butch” so she n “pass.”</p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-1 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p>But stead of passively endurg all of this sual transphobia, Natalie ph back, throwg back sults and stickg up for herself.</p><p>“I love that she's a ballbter. I love that she's ol and telligent and so well-spoken and a fun character who jt lls people out on their stuff,” says Totah.</p><p>That feists is already wng Natalie fans. In the first few days sce season four premiered, the character has <a data-offer-url=" class="external-lk" data-event-click="{"element":"ExternalLk","outgogURL":"" href=" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">stck</a> a <a data-offer-url=" class="external-lk" data-event-click="{"element":"ExternalLk","outgogURL":"" href=" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">powerful</a> <a data-offer-url=" class="external-lk" data-event-click="{"element":"ExternalLk","outgogURL":"" href=" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">chord</a> wh viewers, this wrer clud.</p><div aria-label="social media post" class="TwterEmbedContaer-ggEzfU fHwbKp"><div class="MsageBannerWrapper-krrtvl zGyQW ConsentBannerWrapper-bMdLtU WTFWJ" data-ttid="msage-banner"><div class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ MsageBannerContent-gLUJfX iUEiRd cBiKDS jWqkgM"><h4 class="ConsentBannerTle-lgaGAH gOfech">Twter ntent</h4><p>This ntent n also be viewed on the se <a href=" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noreferrer" class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ BaseLk-eNWuiM ConsentBannerLk-dJZMSz iUEiRd cBiKDS hMJHAg">origat</a> om.</p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="GridItem-buujkM fVLMby grid--em grid-layout__asi"><div class="StickyBoxWrapper-jfYB kNleGZ sticky-box"><div class="StickyBoxPrimary-dzWDWL cdhYoN sticky-box__primary"><div class="Contaer-bkChBi byNLHx"></div><div class="AdWrapper-dQtivb fZrssQ ad ad--rail"><div class="ad__slot ad__slot--rail" data-no-id="q77oim"></div></div><div class="ConsumerMarketgUnThemedWrapper-iUTMTf jssHut nsumer-marketg-un nsumer-marketg-un--display-rail" role="prentatn" aria-hidn="te"><div class="nsumer-marketg-un__slot nsumer-marketg-un__slot--display-rail"></div><div class="journey-un"></div></div></div><div class="StickyBoxPlaceholr-grPmrg dxAvXx"></div></div></div></div><div class="RowWrapper-UmqTg HEhan full-bleed-ad row-mid-ntent-ad"><div class="StickyMidContentAdWrapper-fSBzwl drzyIa ad-stickymidntent"><div class="AdWrapper-dQtivb fZrssQ ad ad--mid-ntent should-hold-space"><div class="ad__slot ad__slot--mid-ntent" data-no-id="c0goj"></div></div></div></div><div class="GridWrapper-cAzTTK kHBDeH grid grid-margs grid-ems-2 ArticlePageChunksGrid-hfxa bjczjj grid-layout--adrail narrow wi-adrail"><div class="GridItem-buujkM stRKV grid--em grid-layout__ntent"><div class="BodyWrapper-kufPGa bectqB body body__ntaer article__body" data-journey-hook="client-ntent" data-ttid="BodyWrapper"><div class="body__ner-ntaer"><p>But the story of Natalie begs before Totah’s tape-rerd dn, when the creators of <em>Big Mouth</em> realized the importance of addg trans reprentatn to their show. Several characters on the show have already been wrten as LGBTQ+, cludg Jay Bilzerian, a bisexual boy voiced by Jason Mantzoas, and Matthew MacDell, a gay character voiced by <a href=">Andrew Rannells</a>. Ali Wong also played a pansexual girl season three who notably fed her orientatn a way that many viewers felt was <a data-offer-url=" class="external-lk" data-event-click="{"element":"ExternalLk","outgogURL":"" href=" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">dismissive</a> of bisexualy, implyg that bi people are only attracted to cisgenr men and women. In a sign of how rponsive the show is to s fans, show -creator Andrew Goldberg <a data-offer-url=" class="external-lk" data-event-click="{"element":"ExternalLk","outgogURL":"" href=" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">tegorilly apologized for the misstep</a>.</p><div aria-label="social media post" class="TwterEmbedContaer-ggEzfU fHwbKp"><div class="MsageBannerWrapper-krrtvl zGyQW ConsentBannerWrapper-bMdLtU WTFWJ" data-ttid="msage-banner"><div class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ MsageBannerContent-gLUJfX iUEiRd cBiKDS jWqkgM"><h4 class="ConsentBannerTle-lgaGAH gOfech">Twter ntent</h4><p>This ntent n also be viewed on the se <a href=" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noreferrer" class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ BaseLk-eNWuiM ConsentBannerLk-dJZMSz iUEiRd cBiKDS hMJHAg">origat</a> om.</p></div></div></div><p>The show has never shied away om queerns, always divg headlong to msy gray areas, even showg a straight character — John Mulaney’s Andrew — who qutns whether or not he is gay a duet wh the ghost of Freddy Mercury. 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class="GridItem-buujkM stRKV grid--em grid-layout__ntent"><div class="BodyWrapper-kufPGa bectqB body body__ntaer article__body" data-journey-hook="client-ntent" data-ttid="BodyWrapper"><div class="body__ner-ntaer"><p>“After three seasons of the show, we felt trans reprentatn was missg and important,” Jennifer Flackett, -creator and executive producer of <em>Big Mouth,</em> tells <em>them</em>. “We were not only hearg this om the fans, but noticg our own liv as well.”</p><p>Flackett says that over the last few years, the show’s creators have been watchg their own children start middle and high school, and noticg “more trans boys and girls enter their liv” as they do. Increasgly, the world of <em>Big Mouth</em> felt plete whout transgenr reprentatn. But the producers did their homework first.</p><p>“Natalie was born out of talkg to a number of trans kids,” says Flackett.</p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-2 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p>Natalie was also wrten part by edian <a href=">Patti Harrison</a>, who joed the <em>Big Mouth</em> wrg team for season four. Harrison “helped brg a lot of thenticy to Natalie’s voice,” Flackett says. And notably, the show’s producers reached out to Totah, a transgenr actrs, to voice the part.</p><p>The producers, Totah says, were “super sympathetic, passnate, and open to hearg thgs om me” after she was st as Natalie.</p><p>“I thk one of the first thgs they said is, ‘If anythg don’t feel right or if you want to say somethg a different way or if don’t look like you or a trans person thentilly, please speak up, please tell ,’” Totah rells.</p><p>Once or twice, she remembers makg a suggtn and the producers told her, “Done, let’s do ,” whout hatn.</p><p>“I thk when you talk about allyship, really should be centerg people who do their rearch and do their due diligence, but who are also passnate,” says Totah. “And I thk we were both humbled by this experience.”</p><p>For Totah, Natalie isn’t jt a character but a remr to be her own person. In one of the funnit scen her three-episo arc, Natlie rists the other mpers’ attempts to drs her up like <a href=">Hari Nef</a> and Calyn Jenner. They want Natalie to look and behave like famo transgenr people they’ve seen on social media.</p><p>“No, stop !” Natalie pleads. “Stop drsg me up!”</p><p>Totah, who me out when she was 17, knows well the prsure of beg expected to drs, look, and sound a certa way, not jt public but Hollywood. 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And I, most importantly, hope they lgh their ass off,” says Totah.</p></div></asi><p>Much like her <em>Big Mouth</em> character, though, Totah tri to rist the prsure to be thentic, even as her star ntu to rise. She is <a href=">currently starrg</a> Peack’s <em>Saved by the Bell</em> reboot, which she plays an openly transgenr high schooler.</p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-3 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p>“Wh the help and support of my fay, I have always tried my harst to jt stay te to myself, whoever that is,” Totah says.</p><p>Now that she’s seen <em>Big Mouth</em> season four, Totah is pleased wh how Natalie turned out. But she’s even more thrilled at the thought of viewers like the stoners om her dorm meetg a nuanced transgenr character on a rnchy rtoon show.</p><p>“I jt thk ’s so excg that we n do a way that reach an dience that might not have seen this reprentatn if was on a different show,” she says. “It’s super ol that we n make a show that reach all those guys at my llege. I know they’ll all see and hopefully they’ll be able to learn somethg a way that’s not me explag to them layman’s terms.”</p><p>But more than anythg, Totah helps viewers have a good time watchg Natalie be the funny, dynamic — and y, ocsnally foul-mouthed — girl she is.</p><p>“I jt hope they enjoy and that they love ,” she says. “I hope people feel seen and I hope people learn somethg. 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Every season, not only do the st of Nick Kroll and Andrew Goldberg's hilar Netflix show 'Big Mouth' get bigger, also gets gayer.

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BIG MOUTH'S MATTHEW IS THE KD OF GAY TV CHARACTER I WISH I'D HAD AS A KID

Big Mouth season 3 manag to tell the story of a gay character, Matthew (voiced by Andrew Rannells), and make his storyle realistic a way I n't remember seeg as a kid or an adult. * big mouth gay character *

“Beg a nonbary gay Black person Hollywood is an uphill battle” he said. Neher of knew that we were gay, nor had we ever nsired the ia of g out. My bt example of gay people my life was Will & Grace, and I was explicly told I wasn't supposed to watch that.

Years later, I feel like I'm tchg up on what I missed via Big Rannells voic Matthew, the sgular gay kid that attends Nick and Andrew's middle school on the animated Netflix seri.

In Season Two, his character got a dash of a storyle, highlightg the social navigatns of beg gay. That's a big al—not bee a gay character is on a TV show, eher.

BIG MOUTH STAR ANDREW RANNELLS TALKS G OUT, GAY CLICHéS, AND MATTHEW'S SEASON 4 JOURNEY

Ain is a gay character om Big Mouth. This sectn is need of major improvement. Please help improve this article by edg . This sectn is need of major improvement. Please help improve this article by edg . This sectn is need of major improvement. Please help improve... * big mouth gay character *

Instead, Big Mouth manag to take a gay character and make his storyle realistic, which is a feat self for an animated seri. Even when I started seeg queer characters on televisn, always felt like they were eher vastatgly sad or openly, betifully, sassily gay.

But if I ever got to talk to a gay fourteen-year-old the real world, one who need to see somethg that ma him feel a ltle more seen, I'd make sure he'd watch Big Mouth. Several characters on the show have already been wrten as LGBTQ+, cludg Jay Bilzerian, a bisexual boy voiced by Jason Mantzoas, and Matthew MacDell, a gay character voiced by Andrew Rannells.

In a sign of how rponsive the show is to s fans, show -creator Andrew Goldberg tegorilly apologized for the show has never shied away om queerns, always divg headlong to msy gray areas, even showg a straight character — John Mulaney’s Andrew — who qutns whether or not he is gay a duet wh the ghost of Freddy Mercury. I’m about to scream, thkg my favore character is about to realize she’s gay—until the love bug says at the start of Episo 4 that she’s there to celebrate the love of two bt iends.

'BIG MOUTH' IS DOG THEIR PART TO FURTHER 'THE GAY AGENDA' BY HAVG MORE LGBTQ CHARACTERS THAN STRAIGHT ON

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You know the type—characters who may act or feel gay, but explicly date the oppose genr (or don’t date at all) Bilzerian (voiced by the always funny Jason Mantzoas) out as bisexual Season 4, Episo 8, and by the end of Season 6 he’s experienced relatnships wh both boys and is personally one of my favore bisexual characters, perd. Matthew is openly gay at school, but mt lie about his inty at home to f wh his nservative (and homophobic) fay. But there is a character for everyone to relate to on this six short seasons, Big Mouth has addrsed the experienc of preteens who are gay, bisexual, pansexual, qutng, trans, and asexual—not to mentn experienc related to race, class, body image, relign, and fay.

Acrdg to Andrew Rannells, he was only gog to be "a uple of episos" at first, but four seasons , Matthew is now an tegral of that is likely due to the fact that Matthew was never signed to be a typil gay character. "The ia of playg a gay bully middle school was very trigug to me, " Rannells jok.

Along the way, we discsed g out, gay teenage life, and why season four is Matthew's bt yet. So gettg my perspective as a gay man, and gog back to my childhood, they really do take all of that to acunt.

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Each stalment shows talent workg on both sis of the mera, cludg queer creativ and alli to the muny.</strong></p><p data-no-id="1" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>Next up, we're speakg to <em>Big Mouth</em> star Andrew Rannells</strong><strong>.</strong></p><style data-emotn="css ligahs">{width:100%;}@media(m-width: 20rem){{marg-left:to;marg-right:to;width:100%;}}@media(m-width: 30rem){{marg-left:to;marg-right:to;width:100%;}}@media(m-width: 40.625rem){{width:50%;marg-left:1rem;marg-right:0rem;float:right;}}@media(m-width: 48rem){{width:50%;marg-left:1rem;marg-right:0rem;float:right;}}@media(m-width: 64rem){{width:50%;marg-left:1rem;marg-right:0rem;float:right;}}@media(m-width: 73.75rem){{width:45%;marg-left:1rem;marg-right:lc(-30% - 1rem);float:right;}}@media(m-width: 75rem){{width:45%;marg-left:1rem;marg-right:lc(-30% - 1rem);float:right;}}@media(m-width: 90rem){{width:45%;marg-left:1rem;marg-right:lc(-30% - 1rem);float:right;}}</style><div data-embed="loop" data-no-id="2" class="css-ligahs e1a0jkxd0"><style data-emotn="css 1e3dj7m">{display:-webk-box;display:-webk-flex;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-webk-flex-directn:row-reverse;-ms-flex-directn:row-reverse;flex-directn:row-reverse;-webk-align-ems:flex-end;-webk-box-align:flex-end;-ms-flex-align:flex-end;align-ems:flex-end;posn:relative;width:100%;marg-bottom:0.9375rem;width:100%;} {visibily:hidn;opacy:0;-webk-transn:visibily 0s .3s,opacy .3s lear;transn:visibily 0s .3s,opacy .3s lear;}</style><div class="align-right size-medium embed e1a0jkxd1 css-1e3dj7m ejku7p04"><style data-emotn="css 5mi43p">{marg-bottom:0.9375rem;--aspect-rat:100%;width:100%;}</style><div class="__rp-ntaer css-5mi43p e6l0f0"><img src=" alt="Image no longer available" tle="Image no longer available" width="100%" height="to" dg="async" fetchPrry="high" /></div></div></div><p data-no-id="3" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">Matthew MacDell was never supposed to be the bt character <em><a href=" target="_blank" data-vars-ga-outbound-lk=" data-vars-ga-ux-element="Hyperlk" data-vars-ga-ll-to-actn="Big Mouth" class="body-lk css-nu68ka et3p2gv0">Big Mouth</a></em>. Acrdg to Andrew Rannells, he was only gog to be "a uple of episos" at first, but four seasons , Matthew is now an tegral fan-favoure.</p><p data-no-id="4" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">Part of that is likely due to the fact that Matthew was never signed to be a typil gay character. "The ia of playg a gay bully middle school was very trigug to me," Rannells jok. But Matthew quickly beme more than jt that. 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Along the way, we discsed g out, gay teenage life, and why <a href=" target="_blank" data-vars-ga-outbound-lk=" data-vars-ga-ux-element="Hyperlk" data-vars-ga-ll-to-actn="season four" class="body-lk css-nu68ka et3p2gv0">season four</a> is Matthew's bt yet. </p><p data-no-id="7" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>As the role of Matthew ntu to velop, have you had more put terms of character and storyl? </strong> </p><p data-no-id="8" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">I've had a lot of put to how Matthew was shaped, which I'm very grateful for. They're very llaborative over there and they always ask me to the wrers' room at the begng of the season, as they start wrg. I do feel like I have a lot of put. </p><p data-no-id="9" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">It's one of the most diverse wrers' rooms I've ever been a part of. It's really ol to see how many different voic and pots of view that they put to that show, bee I feel like reprentatn is obvly very important to them. So gettg my perspective as a gay man, and gog back to my childhood, they really do take all of that to acunt. </p><div size="medium" data-embed="body-image" data-no-id="10" class="align-center size-medium embed css-1736von e1xqj1sx4"><div class="css-uwraif e1xqj1sx3"><img alt="big mouth" tle="big mouth" loadg="lazy" width="2846" height="1600" dg="async" data-nimg="1" style="lor: transparent; width: 100%; height: to;" siz="100vw" srcSet=" 640w, 980w, 1120w, 1200w, 1920w" src="" class="css-0 exi4f7p0" /><div class="css-swqnqv e1xqj1sx2"><figptn class="css-1am3yn9 enfs9c50"><span class="css-1vw9sfv e6iqd1">Netflix</span></figptn></div></div></div><p data-no-id="11" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>Did you ever worry that Matthew might veer to queer clich?</strong></p><p data-no-id="12" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">Of urse. Yeah. That's always somethg you have an eye on, particularly as a gay actor. I've been very fortunate, startg wh <em>Girls.</em> Y, I play the "gay iend", but they flhed out my character, Elijah, on <em>Girls</em>, a way that ma him a human, and not jt a funny sikick.</p><p data-no-id="13" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">And Nick ma that very clear to me when we started. He was like, "That is not what this is. Matthew is gog to be a full character. You're gog to get your moment. You're gog to have a full storyle that is not gog to be jt you sayg sassy one-lers." </p><p data-no-id="14" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">And I like to say a sassy one-ler, but I also like to play a human [<em><u>lghs</u></em>].</p><p data-no-id="15" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>Last year, there was <a href=" target="_blank" data-vars-ga-outbound-lk=" data-vars-ga-ux-element="Hyperlk" data-vars-ga-ll-to-actn="some ntroversy" class="body-lk css-nu68ka et3p2gv0">some ntroversy</a> over how <em>Big Mouth</em> tackled queer reprentatn wh Ali, a <a href=" target="_blank" data-vars-ga-outbound-lk=" data-vars-ga-ux-element="Hyperlk" data-vars-ga-ll-to-actn="new pansexual character" class="body-lk css-nu68ka et3p2gv0">new pansexual character</a>. Season four do a lot to addrs that, but how did you feel about all at the time? </strong><strong><br /></strong></p><p data-no-id="16" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">Well, 's a ltle tricky as an actor workg on a show like that. I don't see all the scripts ahead of time. I'm not a part of everyone's read. Bee 's animatn, we all rerd remotely and separately. Ocsnally, I will work wh Nick. I work wh Jsi Kle sometim. But we're not all rerdg together.</p><div supprsHydratnWarng data-no-id="17" data-embed="pullquote" class="embed css-0 e9hzx6g0"><style data-emotn="css 16ddmmp">{text-align:center;marg:0rem;paddg-top:0.9375rem;paddg-bottom:0.9375rem;} span::before{background-lor:#E5ADAE;lor:#000;width:5rem;}</style><blockquote class="css-16ddmmp e1pe3zr91"><style data-emotn="css 1ljy70d">{background-lor:#000000;lor:#fff;ntent:'';display:le-block;height:0.25rem;posn:relative;-webk-transn:width .2s ease--out,background .2s ease--out;transn:width .2s ease--out,background .2s ease--out;width:3rem;}</style><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-1ljy70d eagam8p0"></span><style data-emotn="css zggbc2">{font-fay:Montserrat,Helveti,Arial,Sans-serif;font-size:1.625rem;font-weight:900;le-height:1.2;marg:0rem;}@media(max-width: 64rem){{font-size:1.75rem;le-height:1.1;}}@media(m-width: 48rem){{font-size:2.25rem;le-height:1.2;}}@media(m-width: 64rem){{font-size:2.25rem;le-height:1.2;}} b, strong{font-fay:her;font-weight:bold;} em, i{font-fay:her;font-style:alic;}</style><blockquote class="css-zggbc2 e1pe3zr90">"I like to say a sassy one-ler, but I also like to play a human."</blockquote><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-1ljy70d eagam8p1"></span></blockquote></div><p data-no-id="18" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">Basilly, when the fished product is out, that's also the first time that I'm seeg a lot of that. I feel like Jen and Mark and Nick and Andrew are all very sensive to the viewers' feelgs about the storyle. I thk they take that all to acunt when they wre, when they ntue to wre. So 's very much an evolvg procs.</p><p data-no-id="19" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong><em>Big Mouth</em> explor many aspects of gay teen life that we rarely see on screen, cludg your first boyiend at school and the anxieti that e wh the kd of relatnships. What are your thoughts on how that's explored season four?</strong></p><p data-no-id="20" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">I thk you're right. We don't see that a lot. And the fact that Matthew has a love life at all – g out is somethg I feel we've seen before. But I thk that sort of buddg romance, that was somethg I didn't necsarily see before.</p><p data-no-id="21" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">I love that he's also havg a very full experience his middle school life. Certaly not one that <em>I </em>had necsarily back the '90s [<em><u>lghs</u></em>]. But I was very exced that they were givg him the chance to explore all those feelgs, jt like the other kids. </p><p data-no-id="22" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>Matthew sgs a song at one pot that enpsulat his stggl wh g out to his mother. We'd love to hear more about that.</strong> </p><p data-no-id="23" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">I'm always happy to jump and sg whatever they've got for me. But that song particular, I jt felt enpsulated a feelg that a lot of queer kids might have when g out, and the fear of g out. I loved that they voted that much time the seri to that particular story.</p><style data-emotn="css 10klw3m">{height:100%;}</style><div data-embed="stagram" class="embed align-center css-10klw3m ez8lbhw1"><style data-emotn="css 63r9na">{-webk-align-ems:center;-webk-box-align:center;-ms-flex-align:center;align-ems:center;display:-webk-box;display:-webk-flex;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-webk-box-pack:center;-ms-flex-pack:center;-webk-jtify-ntent:center;jtify-ntent:center;m-height:10rem;background-lor:#F5F5F5;lor:#000;-webk-flex-directn:lumn;-ms-flex-directn:lumn;flex-directn:lumn;height:100%;marg-bottom:0.9375rem;}</style><div class="css-63r9na ez8lbhw0"><style data-emotn="css 1msakm2">{width:3.125rem;height:3.125rem;}</style><img data-dynamic-svg src="/_assets/sign-tokens/e/static/ins/social/;id=lk-out-embed" loadg="lazy" alt="stagram in" height="to" width="to" class="css-1msakm2 ez8lbhw2" /><a target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener" href=" aria-label="View full post on Instagram" class="css-0 e1c1bym14">View full post on Instagram</a></div></div><p data-no-id="25" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">Even if you're surround by people who love you, and you know ultimately will be supportive, g out is obvly a very plited procs – even unr the bt of circumstanc.</p><p data-no-id="26" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">I love that they wrote a song about that particular moment where you're ready to do , but, at the same time, you're also terrified that maybe ’s gog to change your relatnships wh the people clost to you.</p><p data-no-id="27" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>It was really tertg to see the ntrast between how Matthew's mother and father received the news. What were your thoughts on that dynamic? </strong></p><p data-no-id="28" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">Well, that was kd of my experience wh my parents as well. I mean, I don't thk was any surprise to my fay that I was gay [<em><u>lghs</u></em>]. I thk my g out was not exactly a shock to anyone.</p><p data-no-id="29" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">But I was more ncerned about my father, and my dad end up beg kd of quiet about at first, but ultimately jt so supportive, really lovg and unrstandg about . And the nversatn wh my mum, I thk, was a ltle more nuanced, and took a ltle more time to velop.</p><div size="medium" data-embed="body-image" data-no-id="30" class="align-center size-medium embed css-1736von e1xqj1sx4"><div class="css-uwraif e1xqj1sx3"><img alt="big mouth, matthew" tle="big mouth, matthew" loadg="lazy" width="2880" height="1582" dg="async" data-nimg="1" style="lor: transparent; width: 100%; height: to;" siz="100vw" srcSet=" 640w, 980w, 1120w, 1200w, 1920w" src="" class="css-0 exi4f7p0" /><div class="css-swqnqv e1xqj1sx2"><figptn class="css-1am3yn9 enfs9c50"><span class="css-1vw9sfv e6iqd1">Netflix</span></figptn></div></div></div><p data-no-id="31" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">So I really related to what they had put together for Matthew, bee that's kd of how happened for me some ways. I'm always shocked at how funny but also how hont and movg they are on that show.</p><p data-no-id="32" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">We get away wh a lot of really over-the-top, very funny gags, but there's so much heart at the re of this show. I thk that's why we get away wh some of the bigger jok. It's not jt jok for jok' sake. They're rooted a really good place. </p><p data-no-id="33" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>Is there anythg you n tease about season five or is too early to ask?</strong></p><p data-no-id="34" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">We've fished season five. Animatn tak a while. I had to remd myself what season four was all about bee we've actually fished the <em>next</em> season. So we're done wh that. I don't want to share too much. It's mashg together my md a ltle b, what was season four and what was season five bee we did them so quickly [<em><u>lghs</u></em>].<br /></p><div supprsHydratnWarng data-no-id="35" data-embed="pullquote" class="embed css-0 e9hzx6g0"><blockquote class="css-16ddmmp e1pe3zr91"><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-1ljy70d eagam8p0"></span><blockquote class="css-zggbc2 e1pe3zr90">"We get away wh a lot of over-the-top gags, but there’s so much heart at the re of this show."</blockquote><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-1ljy70d eagam8p1"></span></blockquote></div><p data-no-id="36" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">So no, I n't share anythg, bee I feel like I'm gog to share too much. I wish that I uld tease somethg smartly but I don't know what that is [<em><u>lghs</u></em>]. </p><p data-no-id="37" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>We also wanted to ask about another animated show you're workg on lled <em>Invcible </em>where you also play a gay teen character. Did his sexualy impact your cisn to take on this role any way?</strong></p><p data-no-id="38" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">When I was approached about that, I didn't know much about the source material, and then quickly beme a fan of . </p><div data-embed="stagram" class="embed align-center css-10klw3m ez8lbhw1"><div class="css-63r9na ez8lbhw0"><img data-dynamic-svg src="/_assets/sign-tokens/e/static/ins/social/;id=lk-out-embed" loadg="lazy" alt="stagram in" height="to" width="to" class="css-1msakm2 ez8lbhw2" /><a target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener" href=" aria-label="View full post on Instagram" class="css-0 e1c1bym14">View full post on Instagram</a></div></div><p data-no-id="40" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">There's a lot of different typ of gay people [<em><u>lghs</u></em>]. There's not jt one way to do . So I feel like I've had a lot of really wonrful opportuni to explore different facets of the people, and on <em>Invcible</em>… I'm exced to share that as well, bee, aga, he's not a typil "this is the gay iend of the lead character". They gave me a lot to do. He has a really solid storyle, and a really tertg one. So I'm exced for that. </p><p data-no-id="41" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">And also, for young people – and not jt queer young people, but all young people — for them to see that type of solid reprentatn is… I'm jt very proud to be a part of . Those wrers as well, they did a really fantastic job of makg sure that he’s not jt a si character.</p><p data-no-id="42" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">You know what the Bechl tt is? So if there's a female character a film or televisn show, what is her storyle? Do she actually have her own pot of view and her own voice? Or do every scene relate back to the male lead?</p><div supprsHydratnWarng data-no-id="43" data-embed="pullquote" class="embed css-0 e9hzx6g0"><blockquote class="css-16ddmmp e1pe3zr91"><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-1ljy70d eagam8p0"></span><blockquote class="css-zggbc2 e1pe3zr90">"There's a lot of different typ of gay people. There’s not jt one way to do ."</blockquote><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-1ljy70d eagam8p1"></span></blockquote></div><p data-no-id="44" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">I apply that a lot to gay characters as I read scripts, bee I thk 's a good way to figure out: is this jt supposed to be like a punchle? Or is he a human? Do he have a life? You n only do so much as an actor sometim to flh thgs out, and really has to be the wrg.</p><p data-no-id="45" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">I feel like <em>Invcible</em> do a really great job of dog both, of makg sure that character has a solid arc on his own, and he don't necsarily jt relate back to the lead character. </p><p data-no-id="46" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong><em>Big Mouth </em>season four is now available to watch on Netflix.</strong><a href="artid|1920.a.34857967[src|[ch|" target="_blank" data-vars-ga-product-sem3-brand="Netflix/Lnsgate/Tilted Productns" data-vars-ga-product-sem3-tegory data-vars-ga-product-brand="Netflix/Lnsgate/Tilted Productns" data-sturl=" data-id data-orr="1" data-vars-ga-product-price="£39.99" data-vars-ga-product-id="cf1b8186-d01d-4789-b4ec-fbef994b76bb" data-vars-ga-media-role data-vars-ga-product-sem3-id data-vars-ga-outbound-lk=" aria-label="Shop Now Orange is the New Black - Seasons 1-6" data-affiliate="te" data-genilk=" 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