[I wrote this say back when gay marriage was a hot issue; my new blog seems a good place to publish ] Recent acts by the Supreme Court of Massachetts and the Mayor of San Francis have shifted the ont le of the ntroversy over same-sex upl. It ed to be civil unn vers nothg; is now marriage vers civil unn. This rais an obv qutn--why do the distctn matter?
Contents:
- GAY MARRIAGE: PROS, CONS, AND WHERE BOTH PARTI STAND
- WHY BOTH SIS WANT GAY MARRIAGE SETTLED BY THE STAT
- WHAT BOTH SIS GET WRONG ABOUT GAY MARRIAGE
- BOTH SIS AGREE: SUPREME COURT WILL HAVE 'FAL WORD' ON GAY MARRIAGE
- BOTH SIS OF GAY MARRIAGE DEBATE HEARD INSI & OUTSI SUPREME COURT
- THE GAY MARRIAGE GAME PLAN, FROM BOTH SIS
- DAVID FRIEDMAN’S SUBSTACKSUBSCRIBESIGN {"@NTEXT":","@TYPE":"NEWSARTICLE","URL":","MAENTYOFPAGE":","HEADLE":"GAY MARRIAGE: BOTH SIS ARE WRONG","SCRIPTN":"[I WROTE THIS SAY BACK WHEN GAY MARRIAGE WAS A HOT ISSUE; MY NEW BLOG SEEMS A GOOD PLACE TO PUBLISH ] RECENT ACTS BY THE SUPREME COURT OF MASSACHETTS AND THE MAYOR OF SAN FRANCIS HAVE SHIFTED THE ONT LE OF THE NTROVERSY OVER SAME-SEX UPL. IT ED TO BE CIVIL UNN VERS NOTHG; IS NOW MARRIAGE VERS CIVIL UNN. THIS RAIS AN OBV QUTN--WHY DO THE DISTCTN MATTER?","IMAGE":[],"DATEPUBLISHED":"2005-12-09T20:55:00+00:00","DATEMODIFIED":"2005-12-09T20:55:00+00:00","ISACCSIBLEFORFREE":TE,"THOR":[{"@TYPE":"PERSON","NAME":"DAVID FRIEDMAN","URL":","SCRIPTN":" ","INTIFIER":"ER:12145539","SAMEAS":["],"IMAGE":{"@TYPE":"IMAGEOBJECT","NTENTURL":","THUMBNAILURL":"}}],"PUBLISHER":{"@TYPE":"ORGANIZATN","NAME":"DAVID FRIEDMAN\U2019S SUBSTACK","URL":","SCRIPTN":"IAS ABOUT A WI VARIETY OF SUBJECTS","TERACTNSTATISTIC":{"@TYPE":"INTERACTNCOUNTER","NAME":"SUBSCRIBERS","TERACTNTYPE":","ERINTERACTNCOUNT":1000},"INTIFIER":"PUB:1348706","LOGO":{"@TYPE":"IMAGEOBJECT","URL":","NTENTURL":","THUMBNAILURL":"},"IMAGE":{"@TYPE":"IMAGEOBJECT","URL":","NTENTURL":","THUMBNAILURL":"},"SAMEAS":["]}}SHARE THIS POSTGAY MARRIAGE: BOTH SIS ARE COPY LKFACEBOOKEMAILNOTOTHERGAY MARRIAGE: BOTH SIS ARE WRONG
- GAY MARRIAGE: BOTH SIS ARE FIGHTG THE WRONG FIGHT
- KIDS' VOIC KEY ON BOTH SIS OF GAY-MARRIAGE DEBATE
- RSIAN NSTUTN CHANGE ENDS HOP FOR GAY MARRIAGE
GAY MARRIAGE: PROS, CONS, AND WHERE BOTH PARTI STAND
Gay marriage, also known as same-sex marriage, has been legal the US sce 2015. Learn what both parti thk about the pros and ns of this issue. * gay marriage both sides *
Same-sex marriage, also known as gay marriage, is the civil unn (sometim unr relig thory) between two people of the same sex or genr. A portn of the misters don’t object to the legalizatn of gay marriage if they aren’t required to perform same-sex weddgs.
WHY BOTH SIS WANT GAY MARRIAGE SETTLED BY THE STAT
Advot for gay marriage celebrated two victori recently, Iowa and Vermont. However, opponents of gay marriage got the practice outlawed California wh the passage of Proposn 8. Both sis of the bate are mappg out strategi for stat across the U.S. * gay marriage both sides *
If gay marriage is legal, birth rat will evably ntue to cle and lead to an olr populatn and smaller workforce — among other issu.
Marriage or not, domtic partners who may benef om legal gay marriage will not change sexual partners based on this fact alone. By removg the differenc between homosexual and heterosexual people’s opportuni, a large part of the gay culture will fa om memory. Remember, Christians have allowed the s of divorce to be legal whout notable objectn — why not gay marriage, which is equally a s their ey?
Also, gay marriage licens, higher e tax some circumstanc, and creas overhead for ernment benef programs all rult creased ernment revenue. Olr generatns are engagg age discrimatn by not affordg gay people (on average, younger people) the fundamental rights they serve. The first time pollsters measured support for legalized gay marriage was the late 1980s, when 80%-84% of Amerins opposed .
WHAT BOTH SIS GET WRONG ABOUT GAY MARRIAGE
* gay marriage both sides *
Wh 4 months of Democrat Barack Obama beg print, April 2009, 49% of Amerins supported gay marriage while only 46% opposed.
Approval rose every year leadg up to the Supreme Court’s Obergefell cisn, which legalized gay marriage to feral law. Wh a uple of years after Obergefell, a majory of both dividuals over the age of 65 and Prottant Christians supported legalized gay marriage. In 2021, natnwi support for gay marriage fally ched over 70% — cludg 55% of Republins, the first time the majory of the GOP has supported gay marriage rights.
Romans seem to have been the first to perform gay marriage ceremoni though there is no rerd of a legally bdg gay marriage Roman law.
BOTH SIS AGREE: SUPREME COURT WILL HAVE 'FAL WORD' ON GAY MARRIAGE
Across the U.S., a fierce bate is takg place between those who hope all gays and lbians will soon have the right to marry and those who believe that same-sex marriage is helpg to unrme heterosexual marriage. Read about the history and current stat of the same-sex marriage bate. * gay marriage both sides *
In 1996, Bill Clton signed to law the Defense Of Marriage Act, which permted state law to not regnize same-sex marriag performed other stat, as well as preventg the feral ernment om regnizg gay marriage at the feral level. Massachetts was the first state the Uned Stat to perm gay marriage after the Massachetts Supreme Judicial Court led that allowg only oppose-sex marriag was discrimatory and illegal.
On June 26, 2015, gay marriage was legalized all stat of the Uned Stat, natnwi, when the Supreme Court hand down the Obergefell cisn statg that same-sex marriage was protected unr two cls of the Fourteenth Amendment. In 1989, Denmark beme the first untry the world to offer civil unns to same-sex partners, which offered some (but not all) marriage rights to gay 2001, the Netherlands passed a bill legalizg gay marriage — the first untry to do so, as well as the first 2003, Belgium legalized same-sex 2003, urts two Canadian provc cid that gay marriage was a nstutnal right Ontar, then Brish Columbia.
BOTH SIS OF GAY MARRIAGE DEBATE HEARD INSI & OUTSI SUPREME COURT
In 2005, Canada legalized same-sex marriage natnwi — the first untry North Ameri to do 2006, South Ai beme the first Ain untry to legalize same-sex 2010, Argenta beme the first South Amerin untry to legalize gay 2013, New Zealand beme the first Oceanic untry to legalize same-sex 2019, Taiwan beme the first Asian natn to legalize gay recently 2022, all Mexin jurisdictns had legalized gay marriage, eher by legislatn, executive actn, or a Supreme Court orr.
However, transgenr and gay rights are not equal across all Mexin stat and Augt 2022, the small untry of Andorra legalized gay marriage, but won’t take effect until Febary 2023. Multiple untri have explicly banned gay marriage, cludg much of the Islamic world, Rsia and the former USSR stat, and Venezuela.
Acrdg to recent polls, Japane people are the most approvg of gay marriage among cizens of untri that don’t currently have same-sex marriage rights. On the oppose si of the pollg spectm, Ecuador’s urts legalized gay marriage 2019, spe s cizens disapprovg of gay marriage 51% to 23% — the lowt approval ratg any untry wh equal marriage rights.
THE GAY MARRIAGE GAME PLAN, FROM BOTH SIS
Anti-gay marriage protters (left) try to persua same-sex marriage supporters to get out of the way of their march ont of the Supreme Court. "People fet that durable rights don't e om urts, they e om nsens and strong support om society, " says Jonathan Rch, thor of Denial, a recent memoir about growg up gay. After losg polil battl a majory of stat, gay marriage supporters have won a number of legislative victori and ballot measur recent years.
A Pew Rearch Center poll this month found that 72 percent of Amerins believe universal gay marriage rights are "evable, " cludg 59 percent of those opposed to the ia. "If stat origate marriage laws, then state legislatur should legislate them, " says Sam Schulman, a journalist who has wrten a number of articl cril of gay marriage. Stat where opposn to gay marriage was strongt would have been angry not only about havg had this issued cid for them a way they didn't approve, but about feral tsn as well.
"Gay marriage would be a legal realy, but would have been the crosshairs of massive ristance for two generatns, " Rch says. Supreme Court, we would not have been ready, " says Fred Saz, vice print for munitn and marketg for the gay rights group Human Rights Campaign, referrg to the Massachetts se.
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It is revolutnary s long overdue extensn of one of the key rights of cizenship—the right to a state sanctned marriage—to gays and lbians.
I wonr jt how many tim Supreme Court jtic have intified fundamental rights unr the Due Procs Clse of the Fourteenth Amendment, as Jtice Anthony Kennedy did when he said that preventg gays and lbians om marryg is an gement of their liberty, only to be acced by one of their lleagu of threateng the legimacy of the Court. Instead of his opn’s cramped, almost herent, discsn of equaly, he uld more ufully have said that whatever marriage is, wh all of s virtu and imperfectns, treatg gays and lbians equally requir offerg them the chance to make a go of . ” He characterized recent nsiratns of gay marriage our mocratic republic as “ser and thoughtful public bate”—not volvg the disparagg, disrpectg or woundg of gays and lbians that Kennedy remarked upon his cisn.
Dcribg the treatment of gay marriage the polil procs, Slia said, “Individuals on both sis of the issue passnately but rpectfully attempted to persua their fellow cizens to accept their views. Rpectful, ser, thoughtful bate is hardly what happened the 11 stat which 2004 amend their nstutns as a rult of anti-gay marriage referenda.
GAY MARRIAGE: BOTH SIS ARE FIGHTG THE WRONG FIGHT
It is hardly what happened over the last as opponents of gay marriage repeatedly pared gay relatnships to polygamy, btialy and necrophilia. The right of gays and lbians to marry would be more secure if were ground a more balanced appraisal of Amerin marriage.
And, cricism of judicial enforcement of that right might have been more persuasive if had been based on a clear-eyed view of the flaws as well as virtu of the ways mocracy now works and has worked for gay and lbian cizens. "After losg polil battl a majory of stat, gay marriage supporters have won a number of legislative victori and ballot measur recent years.
KIDS' VOIC KEY ON BOTH SIS OF GAY-MARRIAGE DEBATE
this month found that 72 percent of Amerins believe universal gay marriage rights are "evable, " cludg 59 percent of those opposed to the supporters of tradnal marriage fns also say that they're pleased the urt has waed to le on this issue. Supreme Court that issued a lg back then, Rch says, ristance would have been even more where opposn to gay marriage was strongt would have been angry not only about havg had this issued cid for them a way they didn't approve, but about feral tsn as well.
Supreme Court, we would not have been ready, " says Fred Saz, vice print for munitn and marketg for the gay rights group Human Rights Campaign, referrg to the Massachetts opponents of gay marriage are also glad this issue has played out stat.
The latt lg on same-sex marriage om a feral appeals urt was a bter disappotment to the 16 gay and lbian upl who challenged bans four stat.
RSIAN NSTUTN CHANGE ENDS HOP FOR GAY MARRIAGE
Four other feral appeals urts have reached the oppose feral l, lawyers for the gay upl uld ask the full 6th Circu appeals urt to re-hear the se, or they uld skip that step and go directly to the Supreme a cisn on the next step will volve a long list of lawyers volved the se, there's ltle doubt where the issue is head. Crowds of people gathered outsi the Supreme Court as jtic heard arguments over whether California's Proposn 8, which bans gay marriage, is nstutnal.
"Everyone should be protected fairly unrneath the law, and right now we're not, " said Benjam Bery, gay marriage supporter. It's a right that some people don't have simply bee who they are, " said Stephanie Kreps, gay marriage supporter.
"We have our eedom of relign too, and we're here to exprs ourselv, " said Thamys Fuent, gay marriage opponent. "Marriage has been sce the begng of time between a man and a woman so why are we gog to change now 2013, " said Mike Krzywonos, gay marriage opponent. Guts: William Eskridge, law profsor at Yale Universy and thor of Gay Marriage: For Better Or Worse Maggie Gallagher, print of the Natnal Organizatn for Marriage.