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- I’M A GAY MAN. HERE’S WHY I DON’T CELEBRATE PRI MONTH
- “I DON’T KNOW WHY WE DID THIS”: THE NEW REAL HOEWIV OF NEW YORK CY SPEAKNEW HOEWIV UBAH HASSAN, ER LICHY, AND JENNA LYONS ON LNCHG A NEW ERA, WHICH HOEWIV HAVE WELED THEM TO THE FOLD—AND WHICH ON HAVEN’T.BY CHRIS MURPHYJULY 14, 2023PHOTOS OM GETTY IMAG.SAVE THIS STORYSAVESAVE THIS STORYSAVEAFTER 13 SEASONS FOLLOWG A SGLE GROUP OF NEW YORK WOMEN WHO ALL RAN THE SAME UPPER EAST SI CIRCLE, REAL HOEWIV OF NEW YORK CY IS GETTG A FACE-LIFT. THIS SEASON REBOOTS THE ANCHISE WH AN ALL NEW ST OF LADI, CLUDG REAL TATE VELOPER ER LICHY, MOL AND ENTREPRENR UBAH HASSAN, AND FORMER PRINT AND EXECUTIVE CREATIVE DIRECTOR JENNA LYONS.“I THK WE’RE EXCED,” SAYS LYONS DURG A ZOOM LL WH HASSAN AND LICHY. “EVERYONE KEEPS UNTG THE DAYS DOWN. IT FEELS LIKE ’S BEEN FOREVER.”IT’S EVINT THAT THE FOREVER SCE THEY WRAPPED FILMG, THE NEW HOEWIV HAVE VELOPED A CLOSE RAPPORT. LYONS STARTS THE LL BY UPDATG HASSAN AND LICHY ON HER PASSPORT PHOTO STGGL: “THEY REJECTED ME,” SHE SAYS, CRLO. “THEY SAID, ‘THIS PICTURE WAS NOT TAKEN WH THE LAST SIX MONTHS.’”“I BET ’S THE LIGHTG,” QUIPS HASSAN.JUDGG BY S FIRST THREE EPISOS, ’S CLEAR THAT THIS RHONY STANDS STARK NTRAST TO THE SHOW’S PREV ERATN. BUT THOUGH ’S GOT A YOUNGER, MORE DIVERSE ST ROUND OUT BY FLUENCER SAI DE SILVA, FASHN PUBLICIST JSEL TAANK, AND BRYNN WHFIELD, THE REBOOT STILL FEATUR CLASSIC NEW YORK NFLICT AS THE LADI QUARREL OVER CHEE PLAT, HAMPTONS HOM, AND UNFLATTERG LGERIE. DPE THE DRAMA, LICHY SAYS THE NEW CROP OF HOEWIV IS A SPECIAL ONE. “WE HAVE SO MUCH FUN WHEN WE’RE TOGETHER,” SHE SAYS. “THERE’S A LOT EVERY TIME WE’RE ALL TOGETHER…. THERE’S SO MUCH PERSONALY.”TUNE TO BRAVO ON SUNDAY, JULY 16 AT 9PM ET TO TCH RHONY'S SEASON 14 PREMIERE, WHICH STREAMS THE NEXT DAY ON PEACK.VANY FAIR: YOU N TELL, AT LEAST AT THE BEGNG OF THIS SEASON, THAT YOU ALL DIDN’T KNOW EACH OTHER THAT WELL BEFORE YOU WERE ST ON THE SHOW. WHAT WERE YOUR FIRST IMPRSNS OF EACH OTHER?JENNA LYONS: WE LOOSELY KNEW EACH OTHER, BUT ’S REALLY DIFFERENT TO KNOW SOMEBODY AS AN ACQUATANCE OR SEE THEM OUT AT DNER PARTI VERS BEG THIS CUBATED, TIMATE SETTG. I DON’T GET THAT CHANCE WH MOST OF MY IENDS, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?UBAH HASSAN: PEOPLE KD OF FET NEW YORK IS SO SMALL. WE KNOW EACH OTHER: WHO WE ARE, FAY, IENDS, AND ALL THAT. IT’S NOT LIKE LA, WHERE PEOPLE ARE HANGG OUT THEIR OWN HOME OR YOU HAVE TO DRIVE TO MEET SOMEONE. NEW YORK, WE B SHOULRS WH EVERYBODY. I GO TO DNER AND I N MAKE TWO IENDS, AND THEY ULD BE LIFELONG IENDS. EVERYONE ME TO NEW YORK TO BE SOMETHG. DO YOU GUYS FEEL THAT?LYONS: TOTALLY, I THK THAT’S A REALLY GOOD POT.HASSAN: I FEEL LIKE EVERYONE IS CREATIVE. YOU E TO NEW YORK, YOU HAVE TO BE TOUGH AND WANT TO [CREATE] A BETTER LIFE FOR YOURSELF. SO YOU MEET LIKE-MD PEOPLE. OUR GROUP IS LIKE THAT. AT FIRST, THE MERA IS WEIRD FOR EVERYBODY WHEN YOU HAVE, LIKE EIGHT, NE MERAS AROUND YOU. AND AT SOME POT YOU THK YOU N BEAT THE MERA—YOU N’T.AT SOME POT YOU FET. DID YOU GUYS FET?ER LICHY: OH, YEAH, TOTALLY FET.HASSAN: THE MUTE THEY GIVE YOU FOOD AND YOU START DOG THE TEA AND THE GOSSIP, YOU’RE DONE [LGHS]. IT’S VERY BRAVE OF , PECIALLY THIS GROUP OF GIRLS. I DON’T KNOW WHY WE DID THIS.SO WHY DID YOU JO THE SHOW? IT SEEMS LIKE THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF PRSURE, GIVEN HOW WELL KNOWN THE ORIGAL ST OF RHONY IS.LYONS: I THK PEOPLE KEEP PARG TO THE OTHER SHOW, AND I UNRSTAND THOSE WOMEN ARE INIC AND ALWAYS WILL BE. BUT WAS A DIFFERENT TIME. IT WAS A DIFFERENT GROUP OF PEOPLE. IT WAS A DIFFERENT SETTG. SO MY CLATN IS TO NOT TRY TO PARE.WHY DID WE DO ? I THK WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT REASONS. I’LL LET THEM ANSWER THAT FIRST.HASSAN: PERSONALLY, I UALLY GO VERY BLD TO A LOT OF THE THGS THAT I DO. I REMEMBER MOVG TO NEW YORK AND I WAS STGGLG BADLY [ THE MOLG WORLD]. THEY WERE NOT HIRG BLACK GIRLS. I HAD NO IA THEY WERE NOT HIRG BLACK GIRLS. I JT THOUGHT I WAS NOT GETTG DONE.MOST POPULARRILEY KEOUGH ON GROWG UP PRLEY, LOSG LISA MARIE, AND INHERG GRACELANDBY BRT HENNEMUTHTHE ELVIS PRLEY WE DIDN’T SEE ELVISBY KATEY RICHRED, WHE & ROYAL BLUE: THE 6 BIGGT CHANG FROM BOOK TO MOVIEBY SAVANNAH WALSHLICHY: BUT YOU TURNED TO RALPH LREN’S ME [LGHS].HASSAN: BEE I DIDN’T HAVE THAT KNOWLEDGE, I JT FOUGHT HARD AND WORKED HARR. SAME THG WH RHONY. I DID NOT KNOW WE’RE TRYG TO FILL THE SHO OF INIC WOMEN—THE UPPER EAST SI AND GETTG DNK. YOU N’T PARE THEM TO ME AT ALL. I DON’T DRK. JENNA DON’T DRK. IF I KNEW WE WERE FILLG THOSE SHO, I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO . I N’T. EVEN THE DN, I SAID, “I DON’T HAVE A HBAND, T, OR PLANT. I AM THE OPPOSE OF A HOEWIFE.” AND THEY WERE LIKE, ‘NO, WE WANT SOMETHG DIFFERENT. WE WANT TO TRY SOMETHG NEW.’ I DIDN’T WALK THKG THAT I WAS GOG TO BE FILLG ANYBODY’S SHO. MY SHO ARE TOO BIG, FIRST OF ALL [LGHS].LICHY: I KNEW WE WOULD BE PARED, AND I REALLY DID LOVE OLD RHONY. I THOUGHT WAS HYSTERIL I HAVE THE UTMOST RPECT FOR ALL THOSE WOMEN, BUT I FEEL AS THOUGH WE GOT TO A POT WHERE THE EVOLUTN ULDN’T NTUE BEE JT BEME KD OF STAGNANT. [IT WAS] THE SAME THG OVER AND OVER. WE WATCHED BETHENNY [FRANKEL] HAVE A BABY. WE WATCHED RAMONA [SGER] GET DIVORCED. WE WATCHED HER DGHTER GO TO LLEGE. AS OPPOSED TO —WE LERALLY ALL LIVE DIFFERENT AREAS OF MANHATTAN. ONE PERSON ME OM A DIFFERENT STATE, UBAH ME OM A DIFFERENT UNTRY. JENNA HAS THIS CRAZY STORY ABOUT NNG FOR ALL THE YEARS.WHAT WAS YOUR RELATNSHIP TO THE HOEWIV ANCHISE BEFORE JOG THE SHOW?LYONS: I WATCHED THE REAL HO OF NEW YORK FOR THE FIRST UPLE YEARS. WHAT I LOVED ABOUT AT THE TIME WAS THAT REALY TELEVISN DIDN’T REALLY EXIST THAT WAY AT THAT POT. YOU HAD MTV AND CRIBS, AND YOU HAD ALL THOSE PEOPLE LIVG A HOE TOGETHER. THEY WERE ALL YOUNG. BUT THERE WASN’T REALLY ANYTHG THAT WAS TALOGG PEOPLE’S LIV THAT ANY RELATNSHIP TO ME. REAL HOEWIV OF ORANGE COUNTY WAS THE FIRST ONE, AND I WATCHED THAT ONE. I’VE KD OF DABBLED ALL OF THE DIFFERENT ON, WHETHER ’S SALT LAKE OR BEVERLY HILLS OR MIAMI. I’VE KD OF WATCHED THEM ALL. YOU N TRACE CULTURE A LTLE B WHEN YOU WATCH THE SHOWS—WHAT’S VISUALLY HAPPENG ACROSS THE UNTRY. HOW PEOPLE ARE PERCEIVED. HOW PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE. WHAT PEOPLE THK IS BETIFUL. WHAT PEOPLE THK IS STYLE. WHAT THEY ASPIRE TO. IT’S KD OF AN TERTG ANTHROPOLOGIL TRACE.HASSAN: FIRST OF ALL, I DON’T HAVE A TV.LICHY: ARE YOU GOG TO GET ONE?HASSAN: Y, I’M GOG TO GET THE BIGGT TV THEY HAVE. I HAVE A SHOW NOW I’VE GOT TO SUPPORT. I’M GOG TO PUT ONE EVERY ROOM. [LGHS.] I DO LOVE THE REAL HOEWIV OF ATLANTA. I JT THK THEY’RE SO FUNNY AND HILAR. AND THEN I DO LOVE THE REAL HOEWIV OF BEVERLY HILLS BEE THEY’RE SO CHIC AND ALL HAVE BETIFUL STUFF. SO THOSE TWO I DID WATCH HERE AND THERE ON MY LAPTOP.MOST POPULARRILEY KEOUGH ON GROWG UP PRLEY, LOSG LISA MARIE, AND INHERG GRACELANDBY BRT HENNEMUTHTHE ELVIS PRLEY WE DIDN’T SEE ELVISBY KATEY RICHRED, WHE & ROYAL BLUE: THE 6 BIGGT CHANG FROM BOOK TO MOVIEBY SAVANNAH WALSHHOW MUCH DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAD TO ADAPT YOUR LIV TO F THE SHOW? OR DID THE SHOW JT BOOM, PLOP DOWN TO YOUR WORLD?HASSAN: I HAD A NEW RELATNSHIP AT THE VERY BEGNG AND I WAS LIKE, “ABSOLUTELY NOT.” I CHOSE NOT TO SHOW MY RELATNSHIP—NOT BEE I DIDN’T WANT TO SHARE OR ANYTHG LIKE THAT. I WAS LIKE, “NO, I WANT TO FOC ON THE GROUP OF GIRLS, AND ON MY BS, UBAH HOT. I DON’T WANT TO SHARE THIS PART OF MY LIFE FOR NOW.”JENNA, YOU START OUT THE SERI AS A B OF AN ENIGMA TO THE OTHER WOMEN, BUT THEN YOU OPEN UP, PARTICULARLY ABOUT YOUR JOURNEY AS A QUEER WOMAN. HOW DO FEEL SHARG THAT WH THE WORLD?LYONS: I DON’T THK ’S EVEN REALLY BEGUN YET. THE SHOW HASN’T REALLY GOTTEN OUT THERE THE WORLD, AND SO STILL FEELS VERY PRIVATE. I MEAN, THE PEOPLE WHO KNOW KNOW. EVERYONE AT , OBVLY, KNEW. I GUS I’M LOOKG FORWARD TO THAT PART.I ALSO KNOW THERE WILL BE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT FANS. THAT PART IS ALSO GOG TO BE HARD. I PROBABLY WILL NOT LOOK AND NOT PAY TOO MUCH ATTENTN. THAT STUFF REALLY N BE VERY PAFUL. ESPECIALLY WHEN ’S THIS IA THAT THERE’S SOMETHG ABOUT YOU THAT IS WRONG, OR SOMETHG ABOUT YOU IS BAD, OR THAT YOU ARE NOT OKAY THE EY OF GOD. THE WAY THAT PEOPLE REFLECT THEIR OPN ABOUT BEG GAY IS SHOCKG TO ME, AND I THK ’S BEE MORE PRONOUNCED THE LAST UPLE OF MONTHS WH EVERYTHG THAT’S BEEN HAPPENG FLORIDA AND SOME OF THE OTHER REGULATNS ACROSS THE UNTRY THAT WE’VE SEEN AGAST TRANS KIDS. AND SO THAT PART WILL BE REALLY TERTG TO ME. I’M HAPPY TO BE ABLE TO SHOW UP FOR ALL THOSE LTLE KIDS.LICHY: I LOVE HOW BRAVO HANDLED EVERYTHG, BEE WAS JT WHAT WAS. WH JENNA, ’S NOT LIKE, “OH, SHE’S GAY. LET’S MAKE A WHOLE THG.” SHE’S JT PART OF OUR GROUP, AND SHE HAPPENS TO BE GAY. AND I THK THAT’S WHAT’S SO OL ABOUT , BEE THAT’S HOW I FEEL LIVG NEW YORK…. UBAH AND I WALKED TO THE SHOW, THE JEW AND THE MLIM, BT IENDS. IT’S TERTG BEE IF WE’RE GOG TO GO TO THE POLICS OF ALL, THAT’S PROBABLY THE LEAST LIKELY IENDSHIP.HASSAN: MY FAVORE FOOD NEW YORK IS A PASTRAMI SANDWICH.HAVE ANY CURRENT OR FORMER HOEWIV REACHED OUT TO GIVE YOU ADVICE?LYONS: WE MET A BUNCH OF THEM AT BRAVOCON, AND I HAVE HAD A BUNCH OF THEM SLI TO MY DMS AND JT SAY, “CONGRATULATNS! IF YOU EVER NEED ANYTHG, HERE’S MY PHONE NUMBER.” [RHOSLC’S] HEATHER GAY. I N’T EVEN REMEMBER EVERYONE’S NAME. MEREDH [MARKS]. AND THEN SOME OF THEM HAVE NOT BEEN THAT WARM. IT’S BEEN A MIXED BAG.ANY YOU RE TO SHARE?LYONS: I HAVEN’T PERSONALLY EXPERIENCED , BUT I THK OTHER PEOPLE THE PAST HAVE.HASSAN: SO JILL [ZAR] TOOK ME AND ER OUT FOR LUNCH. BUT WE END UP TAKG HER FOR LUNCH BEE I THK WE PAID FOR LUNCH. SHE’S VERY BUBBLY.LICHY: AND HER DGHTER.HASSAN: AND HER DGHTER. WE DIDN’T KNOW HER DGHTER WAS JOG. IT WAS SO MUCH FUN. AND SHE’S VERY SWEET…. ALSO RAMONA, I RAN TO HER SOME PLACE AND SHE’S LIKE, “OH, YOU’RE SO BETIFUL.” BY THE WAY, SHE’S STUNNG. RAMONA IS STUNNG. [JENNA SWLS]. LOOK AT JENNA’S FACE.LYONS: I’M SO HUNGRY. I’M MAKG PASTA. I’M SORRY.LICHY: PASTA FOR BREAKFAST?LYONS: IT’S LUNCHTIME!LICHY: A BUNCH OF THEM ARE SAYG NICE THGS…. BUT HONTLY, I DON’T THK WE’VE BEEN ACCEPTED TO THE SORORY YET. I STILL THK WE’RE BEG HAZED. SO, WE’LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.LYONS: I THK THEY’RE WAG TO SEE HOW WE DO.THIS TERVIEW HAS BEEN EDED AND NNSED FOR CLARY.MORE GREAT STORI FROM VANY FAIRRILEY KEOUGH ON GROWG UP PRLEY, INHERG GRACELAND, AND MORETE CRIME, TE FAH: THE SERIAL KILLER AND THE TEXAS MOM WHO STOPPED HIMCAN YOU NAME THE FILM THAT LNCHED BRIE LARSON, RAMI MALEK, AND MORE?THE ABSOLUTELY WILST DETAILS OF THE GOVERNMENT’S LATT INDICTMENT AGAST DONALD TMPIVANKA TMP IS NOT LETTG HER DAD’S MOUNTG LEGAL WO RU HER SUMMERINSI ETON COLLEGE, HARRY AND WILLIAM’S POSH ALMA MATERTHE 25 BT SHOWS ON NETFLIX TO WATCH RIGHT NOWFROM THE ARCHIVE: TOO HEPBURN FOR HOLLYWOOD (2006)CHRIS MURPHY
I’M A GAY MAN. HERE’S WHY I DON’T CELEBRATE PRI MONTH
”In March, some men will cry the need for an Internatnal Women’s Day, celebrated on the is Pri Month, a time to reflect on and celebrate lbian, gay, bisexual, transgenr and queer history.
There is a level of social and systemic privilege not afford to many members of the LGBTQ muny North Ameri, and certaly many untri around the is herently polilPri has been celebrated every year June sce 1970 after the 1969 Stonewall rts New York, when police raid the Stonewall Canada, Toronto’s Pri was lnched siar fashn after protts epted when police raid four bathho Febary 1981 and arrted hundreds of gay motive has always been — and should rema — polil. It was a “gay purge, ” and was still happeng ls than 30 years ago. The slg back of hard-earned rights and protectns of LGBTQ people, particularly transgenr people, is difficult to when straight people ask why there is a need for gay pri or wonr why there aren’t straight pri celebratns, feels a lot like they are sayg ntributns by LGBTQ people — a mory group that fac nstant adversy — are simply not worthy of regnn.
Gay men? Every year, Gallup releas a survey of how many Amerins intify as lbian, gay, bisexual or transgenr. “Three out of 10 women unr the age of 25 nsir themselv to be gay or transgenr.
“I DON’T KNOW WHY WE DID THIS”: THE NEW REAL HOEWIV OF NEW YORK CY SPEAKNEW HOEWIV UBAH HASSAN, ER LICHY, AND JENNA LYONS ON LNCHG A NEW ERA, WHICH HOEWIV HAVE WELED THEM TO THE FOLD—AND WHICH ON HAVEN’T.BY CHRIS MURPHYJULY 14, 2023PHOTOS OM GETTY IMAG.SAVE THIS STORYSAVESAVE THIS STORYSAVEAFTER 13 SEASONS FOLLOWG A SGLE GROUP OF NEW YORK WOMEN WHO ALL RAN THE SAME UPPER EAST SI CIRCLE, REAL HOEWIV OF NEW YORK CY IS GETTG A FACE-LIFT. THIS SEASON REBOOTS THE ANCHISE WH AN ALL NEW ST OF LADI, CLUDG REAL TATE VELOPER ER LICHY, MOL AND ENTREPRENR UBAH HASSAN, AND FORMER PRINT AND EXECUTIVE CREATIVE DIRECTOR JENNA LYONS.“I THK WE’RE EXCED,” SAYS LYONS DURG A ZOOM LL WH HASSAN AND LICHY. “EVERYONE KEEPS UNTG THE DAYS DOWN. IT FEELS LIKE ’S BEEN FOREVER.”IT’S EVINT THAT THE FOREVER SCE THEY WRAPPED FILMG, THE NEW HOEWIV HAVE VELOPED A CLOSE RAPPORT. LYONS STARTS THE LL BY UPDATG HASSAN AND LICHY ON HER PASSPORT PHOTO STGGL: “THEY REJECTED ME,” SHE SAYS, CRLO. “THEY SAID, ‘THIS PICTURE WAS NOT TAKEN WH THE LAST SIX MONTHS.’”“I BET ’S THE LIGHTG,” QUIPS HASSAN.JUDGG BY S FIRST THREE EPISOS, ’S CLEAR THAT THIS RHONY STANDS STARK NTRAST TO THE SHOW’S PREV ERATN. BUT THOUGH ’S GOT A YOUNGER, MORE DIVERSE ST ROUND OUT BY FLUENCER SAI DE SILVA, FASHN PUBLICIST JSEL TAANK, AND BRYNN WHFIELD, THE REBOOT STILL FEATUR CLASSIC NEW YORK NFLICT AS THE LADI QUARREL OVER CHEE PLAT, HAMPTONS HOM, AND UNFLATTERG LGERIE. DPE THE DRAMA, LICHY SAYS THE NEW CROP OF HOEWIV IS A SPECIAL ONE. “WE HAVE SO MUCH FUN WHEN WE’RE TOGETHER,” SHE SAYS. “THERE’S A LOT EVERY TIME WE’RE ALL TOGETHER…. THERE’S SO MUCH PERSONALY.”TUNE TO BRAVO ON SUNDAY, JULY 16 AT 9PM ET TO TCH RHONY'S SEASON 14 PREMIERE, WHICH STREAMS THE NEXT DAY ON PEACK.VANY FAIR: YOU N TELL, AT LEAST AT THE BEGNG OF THIS SEASON, THAT YOU ALL DIDN’T KNOW EACH OTHER THAT WELL BEFORE YOU WERE ST ON THE SHOW. WHAT WERE YOUR FIRST IMPRSNS OF EACH OTHER?JENNA LYONS: WE LOOSELY KNEW EACH OTHER, BUT ’S REALLY DIFFERENT TO KNOW SOMEBODY AS AN ACQUATANCE OR SEE THEM OUT AT DNER PARTI VERS BEG THIS CUBATED, TIMATE SETTG. I DON’T GET THAT CHANCE WH MOST OF MY IENDS, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?UBAH HASSAN: PEOPLE KD OF FET NEW YORK IS SO SMALL. WE KNOW EACH OTHER: WHO WE ARE, FAY, IENDS, AND ALL THAT. IT’S NOT LIKE LA, WHERE PEOPLE ARE HANGG OUT THEIR OWN HOME OR YOU HAVE TO DRIVE TO MEET SOMEONE. NEW YORK, WE B SHOULRS WH EVERYBODY. I GO TO DNER AND I N MAKE TWO IENDS, AND THEY ULD BE LIFELONG IENDS. EVERYONE ME TO NEW YORK TO BE SOMETHG. DO YOU GUYS FEEL THAT?LYONS: TOTALLY, I THK THAT’S A REALLY GOOD POT.HASSAN: I FEEL LIKE EVERYONE IS CREATIVE. YOU E TO NEW YORK, YOU HAVE TO BE TOUGH AND WANT TO [CREATE] A BETTER LIFE FOR YOURSELF. SO YOU MEET LIKE-MD PEOPLE. OUR GROUP IS LIKE THAT. AT FIRST, THE MERA IS WEIRD FOR EVERYBODY WHEN YOU HAVE, LIKE EIGHT, NE MERAS AROUND YOU. AND AT SOME POT YOU THK YOU N BEAT THE MERA—YOU N’T.AT SOME POT YOU FET. DID YOU GUYS FET?ER LICHY: OH, YEAH, TOTALLY FET.HASSAN: THE MUTE THEY GIVE YOU FOOD AND YOU START DOG THE TEA AND THE GOSSIP, YOU’RE DONE [LGHS]. IT’S VERY BRAVE OF , PECIALLY THIS GROUP OF GIRLS. I DON’T KNOW WHY WE DID THIS.SO WHY DID YOU JO THE SHOW? IT SEEMS LIKE THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF PRSURE, GIVEN HOW WELL KNOWN THE ORIGAL ST OF RHONY IS.LYONS: I THK PEOPLE KEEP PARG TO THE OTHER SHOW, AND I UNRSTAND THOSE WOMEN ARE INIC AND ALWAYS WILL BE. BUT WAS A DIFFERENT TIME. IT WAS A DIFFERENT GROUP OF PEOPLE. IT WAS A DIFFERENT SETTG. SO MY CLATN IS TO NOT TRY TO PARE.WHY DID WE DO ? I THK WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT REASONS. I’LL LET THEM ANSWER THAT FIRST.HASSAN: PERSONALLY, I UALLY GO VERY BLD TO A LOT OF THE THGS THAT I DO. I REMEMBER MOVG TO NEW YORK AND I WAS STGGLG BADLY [ THE MOLG WORLD]. THEY WERE NOT HIRG BLACK GIRLS. I HAD NO IA THEY WERE NOT HIRG BLACK GIRLS. I JT THOUGHT I WAS NOT GETTG DONE.MOST POPULARRILEY KEOUGH ON GROWG UP PRLEY, LOSG LISA MARIE, AND INHERG GRACELANDBY BRT HENNEMUTHTHE ELVIS PRLEY WE DIDN’T SEE ELVISBY KATEY RICHRED, WHE & ROYAL BLUE: THE 6 BIGGT CHANG FROM BOOK TO MOVIEBY SAVANNAH WALSHLICHY: BUT YOU TURNED TO RALPH LREN’S ME [LGHS].HASSAN: BEE I DIDN’T HAVE THAT KNOWLEDGE, I JT FOUGHT HARD AND WORKED HARR. SAME THG WH RHONY. I DID NOT KNOW WE’RE TRYG TO FILL THE SHO OF INIC WOMEN—THE UPPER EAST SI AND GETTG DNK. YOU N’T PARE THEM TO ME AT ALL. I DON’T DRK. JENNA DON’T DRK. IF I KNEW WE WERE FILLG THOSE SHO, I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO . I N’T. EVEN THE DN, I SAID, “I DON’T HAVE A HBAND, T, OR PLANT. I AM THE OPPOSE OF A HOEWIFE.” AND THEY WERE LIKE, ‘NO, WE WANT SOMETHG DIFFERENT. WE WANT TO TRY SOMETHG NEW.’ I DIDN’T WALK THKG THAT I WAS GOG TO BE FILLG ANYBODY’S SHO. MY SHO ARE TOO BIG, FIRST OF ALL [LGHS].LICHY: I KNEW WE WOULD BE PARED, AND I REALLY DID LOVE OLD RHONY. I THOUGHT WAS HYSTERIL I HAVE THE UTMOST RPECT FOR ALL THOSE WOMEN, BUT I FEEL AS THOUGH WE GOT TO A POT WHERE THE EVOLUTN ULDN’T NTUE BEE JT BEME KD OF STAGNANT. [IT WAS] THE SAME THG OVER AND OVER. WE WATCHED BETHENNY [FRANKEL] HAVE A BABY. WE WATCHED RAMONA [SGER] GET DIVORCED. WE WATCHED HER DGHTER GO TO LLEGE. AS OPPOSED TO —WE LERALLY ALL LIVE DIFFERENT AREAS OF MANHATTAN. ONE PERSON ME OM A DIFFERENT STATE, UBAH ME OM A DIFFERENT UNTRY. JENNA HAS THIS CRAZY STORY ABOUT NNG FOR ALL THE YEARS.WHAT WAS YOUR RELATNSHIP TO THE HOEWIV ANCHISE BEFORE JOG THE SHOW?LYONS: I WATCHED THE REAL HO OF NEW YORK FOR THE FIRST UPLE YEARS. WHAT I LOVED ABOUT AT THE TIME WAS THAT REALY TELEVISN DIDN’T REALLY EXIST THAT WAY AT THAT POT. YOU HAD MTV AND CRIBS, AND YOU HAD ALL THOSE PEOPLE LIVG A HOE TOGETHER. THEY WERE ALL YOUNG. BUT THERE WASN’T REALLY ANYTHG THAT WAS TALOGG PEOPLE’S LIV THAT ANY RELATNSHIP TO ME. REAL HOEWIV OF ORANGE COUNTY WAS THE FIRST ONE, AND I WATCHED THAT ONE. I’VE KD OF DABBLED ALL OF THE DIFFERENT ON, WHETHER ’S SALT LAKE OR BEVERLY HILLS OR MIAMI. I’VE KD OF WATCHED THEM ALL. YOU N TRACE CULTURE A LTLE B WHEN YOU WATCH THE SHOWS—WHAT’S VISUALLY HAPPENG ACROSS THE UNTRY. HOW PEOPLE ARE PERCEIVED. HOW PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE. WHAT PEOPLE THK IS BETIFUL. WHAT PEOPLE THK IS STYLE. WHAT THEY ASPIRE TO. IT’S KD OF AN TERTG ANTHROPOLOGIL TRACE.HASSAN: FIRST OF ALL, I DON’T HAVE A TV.LICHY: ARE YOU GOG TO GET ONE?HASSAN: Y, I’M GOG TO GET THE BIGGT TV THEY HAVE. I HAVE A SHOW NOW I’VE GOT TO SUPPORT. I’M GOG TO PUT ONE EVERY ROOM. [LGHS.] I DO LOVE THE REAL HOEWIV OF ATLANTA. I JT THK THEY’RE SO FUNNY AND HILAR. AND THEN I DO LOVE THE REAL HOEWIV OF BEVERLY HILLS BEE THEY’RE SO CHIC AND ALL HAVE BETIFUL STUFF. SO THOSE TWO I DID WATCH HERE AND THERE ON MY LAPTOP.MOST POPULARRILEY KEOUGH ON GROWG UP PRLEY, LOSG LISA MARIE, AND INHERG GRACELANDBY BRT HENNEMUTHTHE ELVIS PRLEY WE DIDN’T SEE ELVISBY KATEY RICHRED, WHE & ROYAL BLUE: THE 6 BIGGT CHANG FROM BOOK TO MOVIEBY SAVANNAH WALSHHOW MUCH DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAD TO ADAPT YOUR LIV TO F THE SHOW? OR DID THE SHOW JT BOOM, PLOP DOWN TO YOUR WORLD?HASSAN: I HAD A NEW RELATNSHIP AT THE VERY BEGNG AND I WAS LIKE, “ABSOLUTELY NOT.” I CHOSE NOT TO SHOW MY RELATNSHIP—NOT BEE I DIDN’T WANT TO SHARE OR ANYTHG LIKE THAT. I WAS LIKE, “NO, I WANT TO FOC ON THE GROUP OF GIRLS, AND ON MY BS, UBAH HOT. I DON’T WANT TO SHARE THIS PART OF MY LIFE FOR NOW.”JENNA, YOU START OUT THE SERI AS A B OF AN ENIGMA TO THE OTHER WOMEN, BUT THEN YOU OPEN UP, PARTICULARLY ABOUT YOUR JOURNEY AS A QUEER WOMAN. HOW DO FEEL SHARG THAT WH THE WORLD?LYONS: I DON’T THK ’S EVEN REALLY BEGUN YET. THE SHOW HASN’T REALLY GOTTEN OUT THERE THE WORLD, AND SO STILL FEELS VERY PRIVATE. I MEAN, THE PEOPLE WHO KNOW KNOW. EVERYONE AT , OBVLY, KNEW. I GUS I’M LOOKG FORWARD TO THAT PART.I ALSO KNOW THERE WILL BE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT FANS. THAT PART IS ALSO GOG TO BE HARD. I PROBABLY WILL NOT LOOK AND NOT PAY TOO MUCH ATTENTN. THAT STUFF REALLY N BE VERY PAFUL. ESPECIALLY WHEN ’S THIS IA THAT THERE’S SOMETHG ABOUT YOU THAT IS WRONG, OR SOMETHG ABOUT YOU IS BAD, OR THAT YOU ARE NOT OKAY THE EY OF GOD. THE WAY THAT PEOPLE REFLECT THEIR OPN ABOUT BEG GAY IS SHOCKG TO ME, AND I THK ’S BEE MORE PRONOUNCED THE LAST UPLE OF MONTHS WH EVERYTHG THAT’S BEEN HAPPENG FLORIDA AND SOME OF THE OTHER REGULATNS ACROSS THE UNTRY THAT WE’VE SEEN AGAST TRANS KIDS. AND SO THAT PART WILL BE REALLY TERTG TO ME. I’M HAPPY TO BE ABLE TO SHOW UP FOR ALL THOSE LTLE KIDS.LICHY: I LOVE HOW BRAVO HANDLED EVERYTHG, BEE WAS JT WHAT WAS. WH JENNA, ’S NOT LIKE, “OH, SHE’S GAY. LET’S MAKE A WHOLE THG.” SHE’S JT PART OF OUR GROUP, AND SHE HAPPENS TO BE GAY. AND I THK THAT’S WHAT’S SO OL ABOUT , BEE THAT’S HOW I FEEL LIVG NEW YORK…. UBAH AND I WALKED TO THE SHOW, THE JEW AND THE MLIM, BT IENDS. IT’S TERTG BEE IF WE’RE GOG TO GO TO THE POLICS OF ALL, THAT’S PROBABLY THE LEAST LIKELY IENDSHIP.HASSAN: MY FAVORE FOOD NEW YORK IS A PASTRAMI SANDWICH.HAVE ANY CURRENT OR FORMER HOEWIV REACHED OUT TO GIVE YOU ADVICE?LYONS: WE MET A BUNCH OF THEM AT BRAVOCON, AND I HAVE HAD A BUNCH OF THEM SLI TO MY DMS AND JT SAY, “CONGRATULATNS! IF YOU EVER NEED ANYTHG, HERE’S MY PHONE NUMBER.” [RHOSLC’S] HEATHER GAY. I N’T EVEN REMEMBER EVERYONE’S NAME. MEREDH [MARKS]. AND THEN SOME OF THEM HAVE NOT BEEN THAT WARM. IT’S BEEN A MIXED BAG.ANY YOU RE TO SHARE?LYONS: I HAVEN’T PERSONALLY EXPERIENCED , BUT I THK OTHER PEOPLE THE PAST HAVE.HASSAN: SO JILL [ZAR] TOOK ME AND ER OUT FOR LUNCH. BUT WE END UP TAKG HER FOR LUNCH BEE I THK WE PAID FOR LUNCH. SHE’S VERY BUBBLY.LICHY: AND HER DGHTER.HASSAN: AND HER DGHTER. WE DIDN’T KNOW HER DGHTER WAS JOG. IT WAS SO MUCH FUN. AND SHE’S VERY SWEET…. ALSO RAMONA, I RAN TO HER SOME PLACE AND SHE’S LIKE, “OH, YOU’RE SO BETIFUL.” BY THE WAY, SHE’S STUNNG. RAMONA IS STUNNG. [JENNA SWLS]. LOOK AT JENNA’S FACE.LYONS: I’M SO HUNGRY. I’M MAKG PASTA. I’M SORRY.LICHY: PASTA FOR BREAKFAST?LYONS: IT’S LUNCHTIME!LICHY: A BUNCH OF THEM ARE SAYG NICE THGS…. BUT HONTLY, I DON’T THK WE’VE BEEN ACCEPTED TO THE SORORY YET. I STILL THK WE’RE BEG HAZED. SO, WE’LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.LYONS: I THK THEY’RE WAG TO SEE HOW WE DO.THIS TERVIEW HAS BEEN EDED AND NNSED FOR CLARY.MORE GREAT STORI FROM VANY FAIRRILEY KEOUGH ON GROWG UP PRLEY, INHERG GRACELAND, AND MORETE CRIME, TE FAH: THE SERIAL KILLER AND THE TEXAS MOM WHO STOPPED HIMCAN YOU NAME THE FILM THAT LNCHED BRIE LARSON, RAMI MALEK, AND MORE?THE ABSOLUTELY WILST DETAILS OF THE GOVERNMENT’S LATT INDICTMENT AGAST DONALD TMPIVANKA TMP IS NOT LETTG HER DAD’S MOUNTG LEGAL WO RU HER SUMMERINSI ETON COLLEGE, HARRY AND WILLIAM’S POSH ALMA MATERTHE 25 BT SHOWS ON NETFLIX TO WATCH RIGHT NOWFROM THE ARCHIVE: TOO HEPBURN FOR HOLLYWOOD (2006)CHRIS MURPHY
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