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My gut today is actor and edian, Sacha Baron Cohen. This year, he’s been nomated for three Goln Glob, cludg for the Netflix film, “The Trial of the Chigo 7“. In that, he plays 1960s civil rights activist, Abbie Hoffman. But the world knows Baron Cohen bt as the characters that have e before. Ali G —</p></dd><dl class="css-1jysr6y"><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived rerdg (sacha baron hen)</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Booyakasha. Check this out, yo.</p></dd></dl><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">— Bno —</p></dd><dl class="css-1jysr6y"><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived rerdg (sacha baron hen)</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So why is beg gay so out this season?</p></dd></dl><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">— and of urse, Borat.</p></dd><dl class="css-1jysr6y"><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived rerdg (sacha baron hen)</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Jagshemash. My name Borat. I like you. I like sex. Is nice.</p></dd></dl><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I love Borat.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">Yet my personal favore performance is one Baron Cohen actually livered as himself. It was a keynote addrs at the 2019 Anti-Defamatn League Summ. In , he lled out some of the biggt nam tech.</p></dd><dl class="css-1jysr6y"><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived rerdg (sacha baron hen)</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">The Silin Six — all billnair, all Amerins, who re more about boostg their share price than about protectg mocracy. [APPLAUSE] This is iologil imperialism — six unelected dividuals Silin Valley imposg their visn on the rt of the world, unacuntable to any ernment and actg like they’re above the reach of law.</p></dd></dl><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">The Silin Six — why didn’t I thk of that? Y, Sacha Baron Cohen and I share a hobby, and ’s llg out immensely powerful people.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">And let’s talk about a group you lled the Silin Six. And the are terms you ed for Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook, Jack Dorsey of Twter, San Wojcicki of YouTube, Sundar Pichai of Alphabet Google, Larry Page and Sergey Br, also the founrs of Google. You and I share a passn for llg out their nonsense. This is, of urse, my job. So what motivated you to take them on?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So, listen, I’ve — tth be told, I’ve always been reluctant to be a celebry. I’ve always been wary of g whatever fame I’ve got to ph any polil views. But unr Tmp, the racism, the anti-Semism, misogyny that I hted upon ocsnally the first Borat movie burst to the open. It was spewed by Tmp but has really been spread by social media, pecially Facebook. And I was appalled by Tmp’s Mlim ban and the Whe natnalist rally Charlottville 2017. Therefore when the ADL ved me to receive an award 2019, I nsired for the first time. I had been wary of the dangers of social media for a number of years. I had been tryg to get other celebri to talk about , bee of my herent reluctance. And no one really red. And then when I did bump to people om Silin Valley at Hollywood parti — bee, y, billnair want to go to Hollywood parti to meet celebri —</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Oh, I’ve been there wh them.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Yeah, I would try and get them a rner and say, listen, this is gog on. And this is gog to lead to the end of mocracy. And I’d give them my whole spiel, and their answer would be, oh, I thought you were gog to be a b funnier. So, at one pot, I had que a heated discsn wh one of them at an art gallery openg San Francis about Holot nial, jt askg why they were allowg Holot nial. And they said, no, we’re not. We’ve sorted that out. And I pulled up a webse. Like, what about this? And was a webse sayg that the six ln was a lie. And was Holot nial se. And they said, well, that’s jt really jt showed both sis of the argument. And I said, what argument? There’s an argument about whether the Holot existed? And then you have this fundamental realizatn that a lot of the people, they’re credibly smart a ty area, but they should not be given the res of power. I mean, ’s so mad that this handful of people have the power of emperors.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">This perd will be looked on as absurd that ernments did not tervene earlier, that the people were allowed to prof off spreadg li that lead to mass ath.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">OK, so you don’t break to character often. You’re ually Ali G or Borat or Bno, but you cid to give this speech as yourself. Why?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Well, was specifilly that was a year away om the electn. And I believed that Tmp and Tmpism would w aga by spreadg li, nspiraci, and hate through social media, nspiraci about the electn, and through racism and hate. And there was a predisposn for that stuff to succeed and be more digtible and watchable on social media. For example, as you know, YouTube’s algorhm changed to make more engagg. If people watch more, they n crease the sal of advertisg, right? Facebook and Google and YouTube are all about advertisg. And the way to do that is, you make the next thg that you see creasgly more extreme. It’s this kd of radilizatn algorhm, which is why I felt I had to say somethg. I didn’t thk would have much of an impact. I felt my ambns for my reer were pretty limed, growg up Northwt London. I wanted to jo a theater pany lled Theater Complicé So I never thought I was gog to have my own TV show. I never thought I’d be given the money to make a movie. I didn’t know anyone who was a succsful actor. So by the time I got to 2019, I’d sort of acplished everythg that was beyond my wilst dreams. So I felt that that speech might end my reer, for people to say, what the hell is he lecturg about somethg he knows nothg about? Jt stay your lane. Stop beg— jt be funny. And by the way, a lot of the rpons I got on Twter and Facebook were jt shut up and be funny.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">And be funny. Stay your lane. They do to a lot of people.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Y, a lot of that stuff is really anized by the troll armi.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Y, they are.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">They’re somethg else. The armi of trolls are ed to timidate people on social media. So actually, ’s not really a place where there’s much eedom of speech, bee particularly, if you’re a mory or a woman, or you say stuff that’s to the left, you are bullied. So I felt pelled as a human. I was very reluctant to do , and—</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Well, worked out well. And one of the thgs I appreciated and you ma the speech was the distctn you ma. And I’ll quote you sayg, “This is not about limg anyone’s ee speech. This is about givg people, cludg some of the most reprehensible people on Earth, the biggt platform history to reach a third of the pla.” I’ve spent years tryg to expla why social media pani n’t hi behd the First Amendment. Why do you thk that’s such a difficult msage to get across?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Oh, ’s difficult bee they’ve been sayg for so many years. So they’ve been lyg, right? When Mark Zuckerberg jt says, I’m the fenr of ee speech, he is lyg, right? The U.S Constutn says that Congrs — Congrs, not pani — Congrs shall make no law abridgg eedom of speech. So that do not apply to private bs like Twter and Facebook. If they want to ban vlent rhetoric and harassment, they have every right to do so. And the analogy I ma the ADL was that if a neo-Nazi goosteppg to a rtrant and starts threateng ctomers and sayg he wants to kill Jews, the rtrant owner has every legal right and actually a moral obligatn to kick that Nazi out. And so do the ter pani. So the ia that they are the fenrs of ee speech is ludicro. I mean, they make edorial cisns ntually. They don’t allow nippl, but they did allow Nazis, so.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Yeah, they don’t allow nippl.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I mean, ’s a lie, right? It’s a lie that they’re g to make money.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">But as a creator and edian, the First Amendment is cril to your work. Would you be OK wh Twter, for example, platformg the Borat handle bee ’s not a real person, or addg a disclaimer to a hateful or heated tweet? Would you worry about that yourself as a ic?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">No. I mean, if they gave a handle explag that was satire, I thk that’s fe. I mean, Borat is satire. I thk the role of edy is important. It’s not as important or as ccial as rpectg and buttrsg up the fundamental pillars that protect mocracy. So for example, there was a lot of talk by Zuckerberg of him g up the electn about eedom of speech, which, obvly, I’m a huge fenr of. But what about ee and fair electns, which are the fundamental pillar of mocracy? No one was talkg about that, and the Tmp ernment realized that they uld unrme that other pillar. There are a number of pillars that buttrs up mocracy. One of them is prott. So, ee and fair electns is probably the most ccial one, particularly an electn year. And they were pletely unrmg by spreadg the #stopthteal hashtag, and beforehand by spreadg the ia that mail- ballots were subject to rptn.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">On January 6th, around 5 p.m., you tweeted at Mark, Jack, San, and Sundar, sayg ’s time to ban Donald Tmp om your platform once and for all. I did the same thg and was que worried about what was about to happen as I saw unfold. Did you thk was gog to get this bad?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Y, that’s why I ma Borat. Borat was an attempt of me to do what I uld prr to the electn to filtrate Tmp’s ner circle bee I felt he was so dangero and bee I was nvced that nspiraci would end vlence. I ma a show lled “Who is Ameri?“, where I took a nspiracy theorist who believed the danger of Antifa and by the end of the episo, which was I had spent two days wh him, he believed that he had murred three members of Antifa. It’s a ccial thg where the people who were marchg on the Capol are not necsarily bad people. It’s the people who are spreadg the li and nspiraci. If you believe the nspiracy, then everythg you do om there is logil. If you really believed —</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Or have been ma to believe.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Yeah, if you’ve been ma to believe that Bin was a pedophile and a nnibal and had stolen the electn and Tmp had won, then y, ’s logil to march on Washgton and maybe to try and overturn that vote. It’s the nspiracy theory and those who spread and make money that are at flt.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Where do you stop the thg— Tmp should be banned outright om all the platforms, cludg YouTube, which is somethg you’ve talked about a lot.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Y, I believe permanently banng him. The world’s largt platforms have banned the world’s biggt purveyor of li, nspiraci, and hate. The impact was actually huge. One study, done by Zignal Labs, found that after Twter removed Tmp, there was a 73% drop disrmatn about the electn on social media. So we don’t want YouTube and Facebook or Twter to lift their spensns and allow Tmp back on to spread his li and ce vlence. You know, he still has plete eedom of speech. He has probably more ee speech than jt about anyone the world. He puts out statements that make headl. He n go out and give a speech any time he wants. But the ia that his ee speech has been abridged is ludicro.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">You n also make the argument, as several people have to me, is that Hler didn’t need Twter, Msoli didn’t need Instagram. Stal didn’t need TikTok, although I n’t believe I’m sayg that one sentence. But they didn’t need the thgs. And they managed to be as malevolent as they were. Do you thk amplifi the malevolence?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I really don’t agree wh that. I mean, if you look at Goebbels, the first thg he did was his social media was rad. He realized that was the new medium, and he realized that, for example, Atria, if the Nazis took over a lot of the programmg on rad, that they uld make the vasn and the takg over of Atria easier. Fascists and tocrats are experts on new ways of spreadg disrmatn. They need them, and they specialize and they foc on the new media, precisely bee they’re unregulated. So that’s what mak social media perfect for tocrats.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Do you have high hop for the Bin admistratn or this Congrs to do anythg, whether breakg them up or changg sectn 230 to remove liabily protectns? I know your 2019 speech, you suggted Zuckerberg and other social media CEOs should get jail time, if their platforms ntued to be tools of vlence or electn terference.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Y, I thk there needs to be regulatn. In virtually every other dtry, you n be sued for the harm you e publishers. You n be sued for libel. People n be sued for famatn. I’m still beg sued by Roy Moore.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Oh, really?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Y, that’s another story. But the pani n’t be sued, right? Bee of Sectn 230 of the Communitns Decency Act. Currently, Facebook and pani like nnot be held liable for the ath they e. I thk that’s pletely sane, right? So if you look at how should work, when Mike Lll, the MyPillow guy, for those of you who e his wonrful product, went on Newsmax the other day and started spewg li about the electn, the host shut him down. Why? Bee Newsmax n be sued. But Facebook and social media pani spread the very same li to lns of people bee they’re protected by 230. So you already have some exceptns to Sectn 230. Social media pani, as you know, they n be held liable for hostg ntent related to crimal nduct like pyright gement, sex traffickg, prostutn, and child pornography. So my pot is if they uld be held liable for enablg pedophil who e their se to endanger kids, then why n’t we hold the pani rponsible for those who e their s for advotg the mass murr of kids bee of their race or relign. If your actns onle e harm or ath the real world, you should be liable. I thk ’s que simple to fix this, which is, stead of makg money off li that st liv, I believe that the social media pani should create jobs that save liv, right? There are three problems that I thk you uld solve at once. One, which is even durg the panmic, Facebook and social media pani are makg massive profs by spreadg li and nspiraci about COVID and vacc, right? They are profg off of ath. Two, Facebook and other social media pani— and when I speak to them, they go, Sacha, we’re overwhelmed. How are we meant to do ? There’s so much stuff beg upload every day. They claim that their artificial telligence tch most of the appropriate ntent, but they claim that their real world ntent morators n’t keep up wh the volume. The third problem is bee of the panmic, lns of people are unemployed. So my thought is—</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Hire the people.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Why n’t Mark Zuckerberg— yeah, you’re absolutely right. Why n’t they hire hundreds of thoands of people to enforce their polici as ntent morators? They n afford . General Motors, at s peak the ‘70s, employed more than 800,000 people around the world. Last year, Facebook ma $86 billn, and they did wh 50,000 employe. Facebook uld hire Amerins to help protect Amerin mocracy, hire Brs to protect Brish mocracy, and the same all over the world, right? It would put people to work. It would stop the li, save liv, and buttrs our mocracy.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I like this ia.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Great, I was hopg you would. [LAUGHS] [MUSIC PLAYING]</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">We’ll be back a mute. If you like this terview and want to hear others, h Subscribe. You’ll be able to tch up on Sway episos you may have missed, like my nversatn wh former Parler CEO John Matze. And you’ll get new on livered directly to you. More wh Sacha Baron Cohen after the break.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">Most recently, Baron Cohen appeared “The Trial of the Chigo 7“. The film is based on the te story of anti-war protts held durg the 1968 Democratic Natnal Conventn. Baron Cohen plays Abbie Hoffman, a founr of the 1960s Yippie movement and an activist wh a sense of humor. Hoffman found space for edic stunts even the face of his highly policized prosecutn. I wanted to know what drew Baron Cohen to the project and why he thought the story was still relevant 50 years later.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I’ve been nnected to rcerate for 13 years, and ’s been gettg creasgly relevant. And I thk ’s about the power of peaceful prott when standg up agast jtice and the bravery of those people that do that. It’s also about the persistence of systemic racism. The film shows the horrific treatment of Bobby Seale, who was the only Black fendant. And we were actually filmg this prr to the protts over the murr of Gee Floyd. And so, really, ’s a tribute to anyone who stands up agast jtice, om Ukrae to Mosw to Kenosha to Portland. When I read the script the send time, was actually durg the heargs for Brett Kavangh. And the heargs were supposed to be about jtice, but what we saw at the time was profound jtice, to me. Profsor Ford was swearg that her allegatns were te. And I remember one of the mtee asked Brett Kavangh to swear before God that what he said was rrect, and that was enough for the mtee member. And felt like we were seeg two parallel jtice systems here— one a morn one where she’s appealg to fact and proper rellectn and evince, and one pendg on belief God. I mean, uld have been half a thoand years ago. I uldn’t believe was happeng. It seemed like a perversn of jtice, a system that didn’t work. And I felt more pelled than ever to play Abbie.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Did you know the story of Abbie Hoffman before you took this part?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I’d first learned about him when I was studyg Cambridge, hostg my unrgraduate this on Jewish activists the civil rights movement. And I was particularly spired by left-wg Jews who went down South to fight systemic racism. Abbie Hoffman was one of them. He was a guy who was ready to sacrifice his life to fight agast racism and fight for jtice. And also, what spired me was he was a Yippie. His antics and pranks got all the attentn, but he was adly ser. He was riskg his life to fight racism and fight the war Vietnam. But his nvictn was pletely pure, and he was ready to sacrifice his life.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">The film’s wrer and director, Aaron Sork, recently wrote that part of the reason took 14 years for the film to be ma is bee he didn’t immediately get Hoffman’s character. Sork said, quote, “I thought he was a clown, not particularly clever. And I wasn’t seeg the heroism.” That changed when he saw archival footage of Hoffman at a prs nference, a moment you recreate the film.</p></dd><dl class="css-1jysr6y"><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived rerdg</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Would you have taken $100,000 to ll the whole thg off? Yeah, sure, I would have taken $100,000. As for llg off, how much is worth to you? What’s your price? To ll off the revolutn? What’s your price?</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">My life.</p></dd></dl><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Talk a ltle b about this moment of beg a hero.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Well, ’s tertg. You were talkg about Aaron, and my first meetg wh Aaron was 13 years ago. And this was the bate, actually, which was, is Abbie Hoffman a hero? I felt strongly that he was. Aaron, at that time, thought, no, he was this fool. It’s tellg that Aaron chose to replite that scene om realy. So everythg else is Aaron’s patg rather than a photograph. He’s g his brilliant screenplay skills to create this wonrful story. But there, he recreat that scene pretty much word for word bee he thks ’s ccial, and so do I, which is unrneath the layers of this clown this seemgly fool is this adly ser, brave protter, who’s ready to risk his life. And the antics were — the more I read about him — and I tried to read everythg I uld and watch everythg I uld. I went down to archiv and heard old stand-up that he’d done. Everythg was tentnal wh Abbie, even his edy. He was very, very fluenced by Lenny Bce. He tried to emulate the way that Lenny livered gags. He was actually even fluenced by Lenny’s trial. That nvced Abbie that they would go to jail. It didn’t matter what would happen durg the trial. The aim of the trial was not to clare their nocence. It was to nvce people back home that the war Vietnam was immoral. And he was g the tactics of the bouffon, which is a type of theater that I studied unr this French clown teacher. That self is an absurd sentence to hear.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Ah, the years of French clown teachg.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Exactly, but I did actually — actually, cintally, my wife studied unr his rival French clown teacher, but anyway.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Wa, there’s two?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">There were two. So I studied L’Éle Philippe Glier. And my wife studied L’Éle Jacqu Leq. And there was a —</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">[LAUGHTER] Oh, my god.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">— very ser break-off at one pot where Philippe Glier broke off om his mentor, Jacqu Leq, probably over a bate over red nos. I’m not sure.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right, right, so.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">But this guy, Philippe Glier teach — actually, both of them teach — they’re some of the only people the world who teach this style of theater lled bouffon. Bouffon is an early form of satire. It’s a medieval form, where, sentially, the disposssed medieval society, who were generally forced to live outsi the villag — and they were heretic prits, gay people, Jews. Those wh disabili were allowed once a year. And they would try to put on the plays lled bouffon plays that were tend to be really funny, but were tend to pletely unrme and stroy the powerful and the tablishment. And I felt, lookg at Abbie, that he was a bouffon. Like, sayg he would levate the Pentagon, brgg thoands of people to do that, or —</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So they were stunts. They were stunts — that were of — polil stunts to be effective.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Y, to be effective, and they were effective, bee as Aaron — the fal script brgs this argument wh Tom Hayn. He says this is the reason we’re dog that. We didn’t have the rourc. This is how I’m gettg attentn. Abbie was credibly aware of the media. And that was somethg that beme very clear Aaron’s later scripts, where they’re gog to monstrate where the meras are.</p></dd><dl class="css-1jysr6y"><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived rerdg</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Insi the bar, ’s like the ‘60s never happened. Outsi the bar, the ‘60s were beg performed for anyone who looked out of the wdow. [GLASS SHATTERING]</p></dd></dl><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">He knows that the whole purpose is to get attentn and get to the livg room. So he knows that they’re not gog to w. They’re gog to try and w the hearts.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">What’s tertg is, you do that, too, and — I hate to say — this is somethg Tmp do rather well. He plays for the stunt, for the dience. His is malevolent. He’s sort of the evil clown, sort of the clown om “It“, I gus.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I mean, y, Tmp is a etian. He was very aware of the power of humor to engage his dience. I don’t fd him funny, but his crowd found him really funny. So, y, that’s part of the reason why he was so effective and so entertag. Abbie knew that mockg the tablishment would be his key. He ed to say that sacred ws ma the tastit hamburgers. And he realized that if he uld make people lgh, he uld ga attentn and rec more people to the e. I mean, everythg he did, the more I read about him, was credibly tentnal, even though he gave this kd of loose —</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Y, right.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">— feelg. Even the length of his hair was an attempt to fluence hippi to go out and risk their liv to monstrate agast the war Vietnam.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right, Hoffman is obvly a left of center character. This opens up him to cricism the film. For example, there’s a scene where his more buttoned-up -fendant, Tom Hayn, lls him out on dog this.</p></dd><dl class="css-1jysr6y"><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived rerdg</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">My problem is that for the next 50 years, when people thk of progrsive polics, they’re gog to thk of you. They’re gog to thk of you and your idt followers passg out daisi to soldiers and tryg to levate the Pentagon. So they’re not gog to thk of equaly or jtice. They’re not gog to thk of tn or poverty or progrs. They’re gog to thk of a bunch of stoned, lost, disrpectful, foul-mouthed, lawls losers. And so we’ll lose electns.</p></dd></dl><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Well, strik me that 50 years on, this meme of progrsive — as ialistic sort of hippi and rebel roers still exist. Do you thk ’s fair to characterize Hoffman or morn day progrsiv like this?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Well, aga, I’m not a historian of that particular perd. I specialize more the early ‘60s. But y, I mean, Sork is a master. And what he’s tryg to do is brg the issu to the prent. So, y, this is about the bate between the left and the far left, which he betifully enpsulat the hatred of Abbie Hoffman and Tom Hayn. He actually got that om stg down wh Tom Hayn, where they were, effect, the brothers that hate each other. And at the end of the movie, they love and rpect each other. I mean, I feel that change starts wh prsure the streets. They were both aware of that. Abbie felt that they need to w electns, but they need to ph society to.</p></dd><dl class="css-1jysr6y"><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived rerdg</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">And wng electns, that’s the first thg on your wish list. Equaly, jtice, tn, poverty, and progrs, they’re send. If you don’t w electns, don’t matter what’s send. And is astonishg to me that someone still has to expla that to you. OK.</p></dd></dl><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">But you do see this kd of terkn scene stggle wh the left. I mean, we are far ls effective as a force often bee there is ls uniformy. There is ls of an abily to say, OK, ey on the prize, which the Republins were able to do. Let’s ncentrate on wng the electn and fall to le. Instead, there is often an attempt to stroy each other aga.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">And what’s tertg is when you go fast forward, his life end sadly. Did you thk about that at all when you were playg him, where he was head, sce you knew the end of the story?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Y, I mean, the tth is Abbie battled prsn and later took his own life. And I felt he was somebody who was stgglg quietly. And I wanted to pture that serns and that subtlety, the ntrast between his public dynamism and his sensivy and ocsnal private pa. But y, I mean, ’s hted at, and ’s shockg when you see on screen. You fd out what happened to all the characters, and you fd out that Abbie died later on. If you pare him to the rt of Chigo Seven, Jerry Rub, I thk he beme a stockbroker.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">A yuppie, yeah. Remember, he — yippie to yuppie —</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Yeah, Tom Hayn obvly had a polil reer. But Abbie never sold out, and he remaed te to his ials. So I fell love wh him.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So you recently tweeted, “Borat is an absurdy, and the Chigo Seven really happened. But the msage is the same — when lears lie, people die.” Can you expand what you meant by that?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Y, I mean, the were — first, here’s a tweet. So I’m tryg to sum up stuff very quickly and —</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Yeah, I’m faiar wh Twter. I know.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">[LAUGHS] It’s not the most subtle form of —</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">No.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">— munitn, which is why ’s so effective. But Vietnam was a lie, right? There was no moral basis for that. And then wh Borat, I was tryg to say, the li that were beg spread by Tmp, whether about ronavis or about the electn, would lead to ath — and were leadg to ath. I was tryg to create some nnectn between the two.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">You did a lot of thgs Borat that — and all your characters, where you got them to do thgs. Like, you got the ke person to put um, Jews —</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Y, Jews will not replace .</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Jews will not replace , which was the Charlottville thg. You put a seri of nspiraci everywhere, and they quickly take over. You thk ’s unfair at all to do that way, or do you thk ’s — aga, gettg back to Abbie Hoffman, ’s a way to get out the tth om people to be dog the different thgs? I don’t know what to ll them. What do you ll them? Are they pranks? Are they —</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I prefer not to ll them pranks. I mean, sentially, what I do is I pot the mera, and people act as they do. So, some people end up appearg dreadful. Rudy Giuliani didn’t e out lookg great. It’s somethg that I realized very, very early on the first time I did Borat, which was, I took Borat when I was 25 years old to a pro foxhuntg rally. And was a way to get the members of the upper class to really say what they believed about crimals and ethnic mori. I said, my untry, we have Jews. We give them a head start, and we let them n. You thk we should do here? And then, well, I suppose if was fair and you gave them at least 20 or so mut, then y, I suppose that — you know. So was a fascatg sight to me. When I started Borat first, I actually pched as a documentary. So I was gog around the BBC and Channel 4, jt gog, this is a new way to have the documentari, which are tryg to shed light on topics, but —</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">On what people really thk.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Yeah, what they really thk and what they’re sayg behd closed doors.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So speakg of closed doors, I want to ask you about Giuliani. So let me give the ntext. You filmed him. He’s ught wh his hands down his pants after a fake journalist, your -star Maria Bakalova had removed his mic after an terview. Was there any footage we didn’t see? And why did you not wa a ltle longer before burstg out of the closet to see what he would do? How did you make that ll?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So, that was a difficult ll. So Rudy, we were told, was g wh a p, who he employs. As you know, Rudy has a tremendo amount of rpect amongst the NYPD. And we were told that the p would sweep the room. As a rult of that, we built a ltle hiaway for me si a wardrobe. And I sentially stood there for an hour while the terview was gog on. My only means of munitn was a cell phone wh the director and Jason Woler and the producer, Ant H. And so they were sentially sayg, OK, go now. There’s one time I actually went there three tim. The first time was a room service trolley, which we did end up not showg. A room service guy brgs a room service trolley. I’m actually hidg unrneath there. I poked my head out om unrneath the tablecloth wh a sign to my dghter, sayg, “Don’t do .” And she’s like, you know, and sentially, Rudy was slightly spic. He turns around, I had to put the tablecloth down. In the end, I removed that. The send time, I me as a sound guy. And the third time, I me to stop what was happeng. But yeah, I was relyg on the Jason Woler, the director, and Ant H to text me. And the worryg thg was — we’d done everythg to try and make sure that the terview went well. We had hidn meras. Amazgly, by the way, Rudy, the print’s lawyer, signed a ntract which he allows the e of hidn meras. So he’s not the most diligent at readg ntracts.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Wow, no. Well, we know that.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">But the one thg we didn’t have was enough battery the phone. So I had about 3% of battery when I got there, swched on the phone.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Do you wish you had waed longer to see what — I thought you were rrect your thg. He, of urse, ni . Other people — was like ter tective work on the ter on Twter for days and days, what he was dog precisely.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Well, I thk what you saw is what he did, is what is. I tst the dience, and everyone n watch the movie and judge for themselv. But sentially, I had to keep Maria safe. We had an pe plan. I was gog to n down the stairs, but actually, Rudy’s bodyguard gets me and ph me to the room and says, you’re stayg here until the ps arrive. And then sudnly, I’m Borat. Borat don’t unrstand what a chair is. He’s like, what is this mache wh four legs? Sudnly, Borat has a real unrstandg of the law. Exce me, sir. This is my room. I have paid for . Unr the law, you are not permted my room. You mt leave now. And he’s like, no, you’re gog to stay here. No, that is false imprisonment. You are not allowed to. I am stctg you to leave. And then, sentially, I left wh the secury guard. We ran down the steps. Rudy lls the ps, li to them, and says that a feral crime has been mted. And as a rult, the ps search the room.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Yeah, what is the fallout om the whole thg?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I thk tellgly, Rudy has not sued, bee he knows that he would lose. But do make you wonr what did Rudy try to do to other female journalists. And I thk the wonrful thg about was we had no ia how impactful or how pivotal Rudy would be the fal month of the electn and post-electn spreadg this lie. The fallout is that the whole world has seen Rudy for what he is.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Which one do you prefer, the characters that you have or this sort of Abbie Hoffman, which is a more sort of pure actg experience?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I prefer playg Abbie Hoffman. I mean, I’ve loved playg Borat, but ’s sometim dangero, and there’s no fun gog out when ’s dangero. I want this to be the last Borat movie. And ’s far more enjoyable and relaxg to be an actor the hands of other masterful screenwrers and directors. It’s nice havg a trailer. It’s lovely havg craft servic and chattg to the fantastic st of “Chigo 7” between tak. It’s not a fun experience makg Borat or “Who is Ameri?“. It’s difficult. My crew, the directors, my -wrers and producers, they’re takg not signifint risks by gog out and shootg at gun ralli where they risk arrt or beg beaten up or —</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Sure.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">We were told at that gun rally that if they found out that you were an filtrator or not a believer, that they would get COVID-posive people to sp at you. So that que apart om the fact that so many people were rryg semi-tomatic weapons. And fally, I got surround the getaway r by an angry crowd who were rryg guns and tryg to pull me out of this vehicle.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right. Well, you were an filtrator.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">It’s not pleasant. There is some exhilaratn when you manage to survive . And I thk Maria Bakalova certaly experienced that. She was so nervo before every scene, but brilliantly pulled off everythg we threw at her. And then she was exhilarated. But for me, ’s a ltle more heavy. Bee I ped om the gun rally, and my ma ncern as a producer is, have the rt of the crew got out? Have we got the footage out, and is everybody safe? So, no, I’m not returng to that style of edy aga.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">What are you dog next?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I am not dog anythg.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Oh, all right.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I am unemployed. I am takg a break. [LAUGHS]</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">All right, I have one last qutn. Mark, Jack, and Sundar will speak Congrs aga on March 25th. If you were on the dais, very briefly, what would you ask, and what character would be?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I would probably ask them as myself. Was worth ? Was the huge amount of money that you’ve amassed worth the stctn that you’ve wreaked on mocracy and the aths that you’ve ed? Was really worth beg even richer?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I like Sacha Baron Cohen’s voice of all of them.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">You like the Northwt London voice. OK, ’s yours.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Y, I like . It feels genue. I don’t know. Maybe ’s not. Thank you so much, and good luck wh the Goln Glob.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Kara, thank you for havg me on. I’m a massive fan of yours. I listen to your podst, and I read your articl.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Thank you so very much.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Thanks a lot.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">All right, bye.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sacha baron hen</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Bye. [MUSIC PLAYING]</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">“Sway” is a productn of New York Tim Opn. 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Showtime’s short-lived <em>Who Is Ameri?</em> ntued that tradn wh such viral stunts as unmaskg a Geia state reprentative’s willgns to e racial ephets, but some gags are too extreme for even Cohen. As the <em>Ali G</em> and <em>Borat</em> prankster now reveals, one un-aired stg nearly exposed a Las Vegas pedophile rg, and ught the attentn of the F.B.I.</p><p>Speakg wh <a href=">Deadle</a>, Cohen revealed his “G Moldonado” character filmed an terview wh an unspecified Las Vegas hotel ncierge that broached the subject of <strong>Harvey Weste’s</strong> sexual asslt s. Cohen then pivoted toward “extreme edy,” implyg his character had molted a young boy, though the ncierge didn’t react as anticipated. “We thought that the guy would leave the room,” relled Cohen. “Instead, this ncierge stays the room and I go, ‘listen, you’ve got to help me get rid of the problem.’ And this guy starts advisg G how to get rid of this issue. We even at one pot talk about murrg the boy, and the ncierge is jt sayg, ‘well, listen, I’m really sorry. In this untry, we n’t jt drown the boy. This is Ameri we don’t do that.’”</p><p class="paywall">Cohen went on to expla how the ncierge offered to nnect him wh a lawyer to silence the boy, but that wasn’t the end of . His character next quired if the ncierge uld fetch him a “date” wh a boy “lower than Bar Mzvah but olr than eight,” and the ncierge reportedly replied “yeah, I n put you touch wh somebody who n get you some boys like that.” The stunt was nsired “too dark and wrong” for even <em>This Is Ameri</em>, and Cohen’s team subsequently sent their footage to the F.B.I. to vtigate. Acrdg to Cohen, the bure evintly cid not to pursue the matter, though the actor noted “This ncierge had said that he’d worked for policians and var billnair.”</p><div class="Contaer-bkChBi byNLHx"></div><p class="paywall">Cohen’s stunt-gone-wrong wasn’t the only stance of <em>Who Is Ameri</em> cuttg a few misfir. There’s the <a href=">famoly un-aired segment</a> wh <strong>Sarah Pal</strong> (her pre-premiere outrage earned her a Special Publicy Consultant (Inadvertent)” cred), and Cohen also revealed <strong>Ben Carson</strong> was pulled om a segment before appearg on-mera. “The upsettg answer is, I don’t thk you missed much,” Cohen said of the Pal terview. “There was a lot of prsure on me om the channel to put out Pal . . . 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Actors and Wrers vs. the Studs: 1933 vs. 2023" class="RponsiveImageContaer-eybHBd fptoWY rponsive-image__image" src="></noscript></picture></div></div></span></a></div><div class="SummaryItemContent-eiDYMl XMZX summary-em__ntent"><div class="RubricWrapper-dKmCNX hXRWeY bric bric--disvery SummaryItemRubric-dguGKN lapGFj summary-em__bric"><span class="RubricName-fVtemz cLxcNi">Hollywood</span></div><a class="SummaryItemHedLk-civM cxlTHI summary-em-trackg__hed-lk summary-em__hed-lk" data-ponent-type="recirc-river" data-recirc-id="em-hed-2" data-recirc-pattern="summary-em" href=" target="_self"><div data-ttid="ClampWrapper" class="ClampWrapper-kZxfkB hTTNGO clamp SummaryItemHedBase-hiFYpQ khUTXM summary-em__hed"><div class="ClampContent-hilPkr jVhSBH"><div class="SummaryItemHedTag-TWblf gxaOcP" data-ttid="SummaryItemHed">Hollywood Actors and Wrers vs. the Studs: 1933 vs. 2023</div></div></div></a><div class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ SummaryItemDek-CRfsi iUEiRd ijSOpT jDyfzW summary-em__k">A Deprsn-era standoff between newly formed unns and stud moguls pivoted around a new technology: talki! Some lsons for the age of AI and streamg.</div><div class="SummaryItemByleWrapper-boCfbi cuRXdL summary-em__byle-date-in"><div class="SummaryItemBaseByle-fFbXkY gRtaxp summary-em__byle"><div class="summary-em__byle__ntent"><div data-ttid="BylWrapper" class="BylWrapper-KIudk irTIfE byl"><p class="ByleWrapper-jWHrLH iNSiTG byle byl__byle" data-ttid="ByleWrapper" emProp="thor" emType="><span emProp="name" class="ByleNamWrapper-jbHncj fuDQVo"><span data-ttid="ByleName" class="ByleName-kwmrLn cYaBaU byle__name"><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ BylePreamble-iJolpQ iUEiRd bIbWCO gnILss byle__preamble">By </span>Cari Bechamp</span></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="SummaryItemWrapper-iwvBff gjCHLu summary-em summary-em--has-le summary-em--ARTICLE summary-em--no-in summary-em--text-align-left summary-em--layout-placement-text-below summary-em--layout-posn-image-left summary-em--layout-proportns-50-50 summary-em--si-by-si-align-center summary-em--si-by-si-image-right-mobile-false summary-em--standard SummaryCollectnGridSummaryItem-WColm imbmMa" role="button" tabx="0"><div class="SummaryItemAssetContaer-gwhFFH VOyg summary-em__asset-ntaer"><a class="SummaryItemImageLk-dshqxb cPpCwE summary-em__image-lk summary-em-trackg__image-lk" href=" aria-hidn="te" tabx="-1" data-ponent-type="recirc-river" data-recirc-id="em-image-3" data-recirc-pattern="summary-em" target="_self"><span class="SpanWrapper-umhxW kGxnNB rponsive-asset SummaryItemRponsiveAsset-hjGIGg bDvSkO summary-em__image"><div data-tt="aspect-rat-ntaer" class="AspectRatContaer-bJHpJz cCcPgL"><div class="aspect-rat--overlay-ntaer"><picture class="RponsiveImagePicture-cWuUZO dUOtEa SummaryItemRponsiveAsset-hjGIGg bDvSkO summary-em__image rponsive-image"><noscript><source media="(max-width: 767px)" srcSet="" siz="100vw"/><source media="(m-width: 768px)" srcSet="" siz="100vw"/><img alt="Rememberg Séad O’Connor’s Sublime Mic and Righteo Rage" class="RponsiveImageContaer-eybHBd fptoWY rponsive-image__image" src="></noscript></picture></div></div></span></a></div><div class="SummaryItemContent-eiDYMl XMZX summary-em__ntent"><div class="RubricWrapper-dKmCNX hXRWeY bric bric--disvery SummaryItemRubric-dguGKN lapGFj summary-em__bric"><span class="RubricName-fVtemz cLxcNi">Style</span></div><a class="SummaryItemHedLk-civM cxlTHI summary-em-trackg__hed-lk summary-em__hed-lk" data-ponent-type="recirc-river" data-recirc-id="em-hed-3" data-recirc-pattern="summary-em" href=" target="_self"><div data-ttid="ClampWrapper" class="ClampWrapper-kZxfkB hTTNGO clamp SummaryItemHedBase-hiFYpQ khUTXM summary-em__hed"><div class="ClampContent-hilPkr jVhSBH"><div class="SummaryItemHedTag-TWblf gxaOcP" data-ttid="SummaryItemHed">Rememberg Séad O’Connor’s Sublime Mic and Righteo Rage</div></div></div></a><div class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ SummaryItemDek-CRfsi iUEiRd ijSOpT jDyfzW summary-em__k">The Irish sger, who died at 56, was a force to be reckoned wh—and so much more plited than the riture.</div><div class="SummaryItemByleWrapper-boCfbi cuRXdL summary-em__byle-date-in"><div class="SummaryItemBaseByle-fFbXkY gRtaxp summary-em__byle"><div class="summary-em__byle__ntent"><div data-ttid="BylWrapper" class="BylWrapper-KIudk irTIfE byl"><p class="ByleWrapper-jWHrLH iNSiTG byle byl__byle" data-ttid="ByleWrapper" emProp="thor" emType="><span emProp="name" class="ByleNamWrapper-jbHncj fuDQVo"><span data-ttid="ByleName" class="ByleName-kwmrLn cYaBaU byle__name"><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ BylePreamble-iJolpQ iUEiRd bIbWCO gnILss byle__preamble">By </span>Mike Hogan</span></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="AdWrapper-dQtivb fZrssQ SummaryCollectnGridSummaryItem-WColm imbmMa ad ad--read-more"><div class="ad__slot ad__slot--read-more" data-no-id="9w12i5"></div></div><div class="SummaryItemWrapper-iwvBff gjCHLu summary-em summary-em--has-le summary-em--ARTICLE summary-em--no-in summary-em--text-align-left summary-em--layout-placement-text-below summary-em--layout-posn-image-left summary-em--layout-proportns-50-50 summary-em--si-by-si-align-center summary-em--si-by-si-image-right-mobile-false summary-em--standard SummaryCollectnGridSummaryItem-WColm imbmMa" role="button" tabx="0"><div class="SummaryItemAssetContaer-gwhFFH VOyg summary-em__asset-ntaer"><a class="SummaryItemImageLk-dshqxb cPpCwE summary-em__image-lk summary-em-trackg__image-lk" href=" aria-hidn="te" tabx="-1" data-ponent-type="recirc-river" data-recirc-id="em-image-4" data-recirc-pattern="summary-em" target="_self"><span class="SpanWrapper-umhxW kGxnNB rponsive-asset SummaryItemRponsiveAsset-hjGIGg bDvSkO summary-em__image"><div data-tt="aspect-rat-ntaer" class="AspectRatContaer-bJHpJz cCcPgL"><div class="aspect-rat--overlay-ntaer"><picture class="RponsiveImagePicture-cWuUZO dUOtEa SummaryItemRponsiveAsset-hjGIGg bDvSkO summary-em__image rponsive-image"><noscript><source media="(max-width: 767px)" srcSet="" siz="100vw"/><source media="(m-width: 768px)" srcSet="" siz="100vw"/><img alt="Donald Tmp Still Has a Tight Grip on Ameri. But Democrats Shouldn’t Panic" class="RponsiveImageContaer-eybHBd fptoWY rponsive-image__image" src="></noscript></picture></div></div></span></a></div><div class="SummaryItemContent-eiDYMl XMZX summary-em__ntent"><div class="RubricWrapper-dKmCNX hXRWeY bric bric--disvery SummaryItemRubric-dguGKN lapGFj summary-em__bric"><span class="RubricName-fVtemz cLxcNi">Polics</span></div><a class="SummaryItemHedLk-civM cxlTHI summary-em-trackg__hed-lk summary-em__hed-lk" data-ponent-type="recirc-river" data-recirc-id="em-hed-4" data-recirc-pattern="summary-em" href=" target="_self"><div data-ttid="ClampWrapper" class="ClampWrapper-kZxfkB hTTNGO clamp SummaryItemHedBase-hiFYpQ khUTXM summary-em__hed"><div class="ClampContent-hilPkr jVhSBH"><div class="SummaryItemHedTag-TWblf gxaOcP" data-ttid="SummaryItemHed">Donald Tmp Still Has a Tight Grip on Ameri. But Democrats Shouldn’t Panic</div></div></div></a><div class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ SummaryItemDek-CRfsi iUEiRd ijSOpT jDyfzW summary-em__k">New pollg puts the twice-impeached, twice-dicted former print a ad heat wh Joe Bin, unrsrg the work that Democrats have ahead of them fendg off Tmp once more.</div><div class="SummaryItemByleWrapper-boCfbi cuRXdL summary-em__byle-date-in"><div class="SummaryItemBaseByle-fFbXkY gRtaxp summary-em__byle"><div class="summary-em__byle__ntent"><div data-ttid="BylWrapper" class="BylWrapper-KIudk irTIfE byl"><p class="ByleWrapper-jWHrLH iNSiTG byle byl__byle" data-ttid="ByleWrapper" emProp="thor" emType="><span emProp="name" class="ByleNamWrapper-jbHncj fuDQVo"><span data-ttid="ByleName" class="ByleName-kwmrLn cYaBaU byle__name"><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ BylePreamble-iJolpQ iUEiRd bIbWCO gnILss byle__preamble">By </span>Eric Lutz</span></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="SummaryItemWrapper-iwvBff gjCHLu summary-em summary-em--has-le summary-em--ARTICLE summary-em--no-in summary-em--text-align-left summary-em--layout-placement-text-below summary-em--layout-posn-image-left summary-em--layout-proportns-50-50 summary-em--si-by-si-align-center summary-em--si-by-si-image-right-mobile-false summary-em--standard SummaryCollectnGridSummaryItem-WColm imbmMa" role="button" tabx="0"><div class="SummaryItemAssetContaer-gwhFFH VOyg summary-em__asset-ntaer"><a class="SummaryItemImageLk-dshqxb cPpCwE summary-em__image-lk summary-em-trackg__image-lk" href=" aria-hidn="te" tabx="-1" data-ponent-type="recirc-river" data-recirc-id="em-image-5" data-recirc-pattern="summary-em" target="_self"><span class="SpanWrapper-umhxW kGxnNB rponsive-asset SummaryItemRponsiveAsset-hjGIGg bDvSkO summary-em__image"><div data-tt="aspect-rat-ntaer" class="AspectRatContaer-bJHpJz cCcPgL"><div class="aspect-rat--overlay-ntaer"><picture class="RponsiveImagePicture-cWuUZO dUOtEa SummaryItemRponsiveAsset-hjGIGg bDvSkO summary-em__image rponsive-image"><noscript><source media="(max-width: 767px)" srcSet="" siz="100vw"/><source media="(m-width: 768px)" srcSet="" siz="100vw"/><img alt="The Beanie Bubble Burst: Insi Billnaire Ty Warner’s Furry Empire" class="RponsiveImageContaer-eybHBd fptoWY rponsive-image__image" src="></noscript></picture></div></div></span></a></div><div class="SummaryItemContent-eiDYMl XMZX summary-em__ntent"><div class="RubricWrapper-dKmCNX hXRWeY bric bric--disvery SummaryItemRubric-dguGKN lapGFj summary-em__bric"><span class="RubricName-fVtemz cLxcNi">Hollywood</span></div><a class="SummaryItemHedLk-civM cxlTHI summary-em-trackg__hed-lk summary-em__hed-lk" data-ponent-type="recirc-river" data-recirc-id="em-hed-5" data-recirc-pattern="summary-em" href=" target="_self"><div data-ttid="ClampWrapper" class="ClampWrapper-kZxfkB hTTNGO clamp SummaryItemHedBase-hiFYpQ khUTXM summary-em__hed"><div class="ClampContent-hilPkr jVhSBH"><div class="SummaryItemHedTag-TWblf gxaOcP" data-ttid="SummaryItemHed"><em>The Beanie Bubble</em> Burst: Insi Billnaire Ty Warner’s Furry Empire</div></div></div></a><div class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ SummaryItemDek-CRfsi iUEiRd ijSOpT jDyfzW summary-em__k">From McDonald’s happy meal toys to murr, a new film explor the ’90s craze that drove “Ameri to a state of greed-fueled ln.”</div><div class="SummaryItemByleWrapper-boCfbi cuRXdL summary-em__byle-date-in"><div class="SummaryItemBaseByle-fFbXkY gRtaxp summary-em__byle"><div class="summary-em__byle__ntent"><div data-ttid="BylWrapper" class="BylWrapper-KIudk irTIfE byl"><p class="ByleWrapper-jWHrLH iNSiTG byle byl__byle" data-ttid="ByleWrapper" emProp="thor" emType="><span emProp="name" class="ByleNamWrapper-jbHncj fuDQVo"><span data-ttid="ByleName" class="ByleName-kwmrLn cYaBaU byle__name"><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ BylePreamble-iJolpQ iUEiRd bIbWCO gnILss byle__preamble">By </span>Savannah Walsh</span></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="SummaryItemWrapper-iwvBff gjCHLu summary-em summary-em--has-le summary-em--ARTICLE summary-em--no-in summary-em--text-align-left summary-em--layout-placement-text-below summary-em--layout-posn-image-left summary-em--layout-proportns-50-50 summary-em--si-by-si-align-center summary-em--si-by-si-image-right-mobile-false summary-em--standard SummaryCollectnGridSummaryItem-WColm imbmMa" role="button" tabx="0"><div class="SummaryItemAssetContaer-gwhFFH VOyg summary-em__asset-ntaer"><a class="SummaryItemImageLk-dshqxb cPpCwE summary-em__image-lk summary-em-trackg__image-lk" href=" aria-hidn="te" tabx="-1" data-ponent-type="recirc-river" data-recirc-id="em-image-6" data-recirc-pattern="summary-em" target="_self"><span class="SpanWrapper-umhxW kGxnNB rponsive-asset SummaryItemRponsiveAsset-hjGIGg bDvSkO summary-em__image"><div data-tt="aspect-rat-ntaer" class="AspectRatContaer-bJHpJz cCcPgL"><div class="aspect-rat--overlay-ntaer"><picture class="RponsiveImagePicture-cWuUZO dUOtEa SummaryItemRponsiveAsset-hjGIGg bDvSkO summary-em__image rponsive-image"><noscript><source media="(max-width: 767px)" srcSet="" siz="100vw"/><source media="(m-width: 768px)" srcSet="" siz="100vw"/><img alt="Hollywood Strik Magnify Media Tumult: “It Is Existential That We Get This Rolved”" class="RponsiveImageContaer-eybHBd fptoWY rponsive-image__image" src="></noscript></picture></div></div></span></a></div><div class="SummaryItemContent-eiDYMl XMZX summary-em__ntent"><div class="RubricWrapper-dKmCNX hXRWeY bric bric--disvery SummaryItemRubric-dguGKN lapGFj summary-em__bric"><span class="RubricName-fVtemz cLxcNi">News</span></div><a class="SummaryItemHedLk-civM cxlTHI summary-em-trackg__hed-lk summary-em__hed-lk" data-ponent-type="recirc-river" data-recirc-id="em-hed-6" data-recirc-pattern="summary-em" href=" target="_self"><div data-ttid="ClampWrapper" class="ClampWrapper-kZxfkB hTTNGO clamp SummaryItemHedBase-hiFYpQ khUTXM summary-em__hed"><div class="ClampContent-hilPkr jVhSBH"><div class="SummaryItemHedTag-TWblf gxaOcP" data-ttid="SummaryItemHed">Hollywood Strik Magnify Media Tumult: “It Is Existential That We Get This Rolved”</div></div></div></a><div class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ SummaryItemDek-CRfsi iUEiRd ijSOpT jDyfzW summary-em__k">As earngs season gets unrway, the plete shutdown of scripted entertament is amplifyg the dtry’s wo. “If this go past summer,” says one heavy hter, “’s gonna start havg a real impact.”</div><div class="SummaryItemByleWrapper-boCfbi cuRXdL summary-em__byle-date-in"><div class="SummaryItemBaseByle-fFbXkY gRtaxp summary-em__byle"><div class="summary-em__byle__ntent"><div data-ttid="BylWrapper" class="BylWrapper-KIudk irTIfE byl"><p class="ByleWrapper-jWHrLH iNSiTG byle byl__byle" data-ttid="ByleWrapper" emProp="thor" emType="><span emProp="name" class="ByleNamWrapper-jbHncj fuDQVo"><span data-ttid="ByleName" class="ByleName-kwmrLn cYaBaU byle__name"><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ BylePreamble-iJolpQ iUEiRd bIbWCO gnILss byle__preamble">By </span>Joe Pompeo</span></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="SummaryItemWrapper-iwvBff gjCHLu summary-em summary-em--has-le summary-em--ARTICLE summary-em--no-in summary-em--text-align-left summary-em--layout-placement-text-below summary-em--layout-posn-image-left summary-em--layout-proportns-50-50 summary-em--si-by-si-align-center summary-em--si-by-si-image-right-mobile-false summary-em--standard SummaryCollectnGridSummaryItem-WColm imbmMa" role="button" tabx="0"><div class="SummaryItemAssetContaer-gwhFFH VOyg summary-em__asset-ntaer"><a class="SummaryItemImageLk-dshqxb cPpCwE summary-em__image-lk summary-em-trackg__image-lk" href=" aria-hidn="te" tabx="-1" data-ponent-type="recirc-river" data-recirc-id="em-image-7" data-recirc-pattern="summary-em" target="_self"><span class="SpanWrapper-umhxW kGxnNB rponsive-asset SummaryItemRponsiveAsset-hjGIGg bDvSkO summary-em__image"><div data-tt="aspect-rat-ntaer" class="AspectRatContaer-bJHpJz cCcPgL"><div class="aspect-rat--overlay-ntaer"><picture class="RponsiveImagePicture-cWuUZO dUOtEa SummaryItemRponsiveAsset-hjGIGg bDvSkO summary-em__image rponsive-image"><noscript><source media="(max-width: 767px)" srcSet="" siz="100vw"/><source media="(m-width: 768px)" srcSet="" siz="100vw"/><img alt="We’ve Reached Peak Girl" class="RponsiveImageContaer-eybHBd fptoWY rponsive-image__image" src="></noscript></picture></div></div></span></a></div><div class="SummaryItemContent-eiDYMl XMZX summary-em__ntent"><div class="RubricWrapper-dKmCNX hXRWeY bric bric--disvery SummaryItemRubric-dguGKN lapGFj summary-em__bric"><span class="RubricName-fVtemz cLxcNi">Celebry</span></div><a class="SummaryItemHedLk-civM cxlTHI summary-em-trackg__hed-lk summary-em__hed-lk" data-ponent-type="recirc-river" data-recirc-id="em-hed-7" data-recirc-pattern="summary-em" href=" target="_self"><div data-ttid="ClampWrapper" class="ClampWrapper-kZxfkB hTTNGO clamp SummaryItemHedBase-hiFYpQ khUTXM summary-em__hed"><div class="ClampContent-hilPkr jVhSBH"><div class="SummaryItemHedTag-TWblf gxaOcP" data-ttid="SummaryItemHed">We’ve Reached Peak Girl</div></div></div></a><div class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ SummaryItemDek-CRfsi iUEiRd ijSOpT jDyfzW summary-em__k">An eons-long <em>Barbie</em> promotnal extravaganza ti up our latt nostalgia craze a perfect bow. But what’s behd this particular fixatn on girlhood?</div><div class="SummaryItemByleWrapper-boCfbi cuRXdL summary-em__byle-date-in"><div class="SummaryItemBaseByle-fFbXkY gRtaxp summary-em__byle"><div class="summary-em__byle__ntent"><div data-ttid="BylWrapper" class="BylWrapper-KIudk irTIfE byl"><p class="ByleWrapper-jWHrLH iNSiTG byle byl__byle" data-ttid="ByleWrapper" emProp="thor" emType="><span emProp="name" class="ByleNamWrapper-jbHncj fuDQVo"><span data-ttid="ByleName" class="ByleName-kwmrLn cYaBaU byle__name"><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ BylePreamble-iJolpQ iUEiRd bIbWCO gnILss byle__preamble">By </span>Delia Cai</span></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="SummaryItemWrapper-iwvBff gjCHLu summary-em summary-em--has-le summary-em--ARTICLE summary-em--no-in summary-em--text-align-left summary-em--layout-placement-text-below summary-em--layout-posn-image-left summary-em--layout-proportns-50-50 summary-em--si-by-si-align-center summary-em--si-by-si-image-right-mobile-false summary-em--standard SummaryCollectnGridSummaryItem-WColm imbmMa" role="button" tabx="0"><div class="SummaryItemAssetContaer-gwhFFH VOyg summary-em__asset-ntaer"><a class="SummaryItemImageLk-dshqxb cPpCwE summary-em__image-lk summary-em-trackg__image-lk" href=" aria-hidn="te" tabx="-1" data-ponent-type="recirc-river" data-recirc-id="em-image-8" data-recirc-pattern="summary-em" target="_self"><span class="SpanWrapper-umhxW kGxnNB rponsive-asset SummaryItemRponsiveAsset-hjGIGg bDvSkO summary-em__image"><div data-tt="aspect-rat-ntaer" class="AspectRatContaer-bJHpJz cCcPgL"><div class="aspect-rat--overlay-ntaer"><picture class="RponsiveImagePicture-cWuUZO dUOtEa SummaryItemRponsiveAsset-hjGIGg bDvSkO summary-em__image rponsive-image"><noscript><source media="(max-width: 767px)" srcSet="" siz="100vw"/><source media="(m-width: 768px)" srcSet="" siz="100vw"/><img alt="Love, Liberty, and the Pursu of Polyamory: A Look Unr the Covers of Nonmonogamy and Its Burgeong Civil Rights Battle" class="RponsiveImageContaer-eybHBd fptoWY rponsive-image__image" src="></noscript></picture></div></div></span></a></div><div class="SummaryItemContent-eiDYMl XMZX summary-em__ntent"><div class="RubricWrapper-dKmCNX hXRWeY bric bric--disvery SummaryItemRubric-dguGKN lapGFj summary-em__bric"><span class="RubricName-fVtemz cLxcNi">Style</span></div><a class="SummaryItemHedLk-civM cxlTHI summary-em-trackg__hed-lk summary-em__hed-lk" data-ponent-type="recirc-river" data-recirc-id="em-hed-8" data-recirc-pattern="summary-em" href=" target="_self"><div data-ttid="ClampWrapper" class="ClampWrapper-kZxfkB hTTNGO clamp SummaryItemHedBase-hiFYpQ khUTXM summary-em__hed"><div class="ClampContent-hilPkr jVhSBH"><div class="SummaryItemHedTag-TWblf gxaOcP" data-ttid="SummaryItemHed">Love, Liberty, and the Pursu of Polyamory: A Look Unr the Covers of Nonmonogamy and Its Burgeong Civil Rights Battle</div></div></div></a><div class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ SummaryItemDek-CRfsi iUEiRd ijSOpT jDyfzW summary-em__k">The most pervasive misnceptn that thriv this void is that polyamory is jt about sex, but for many polyamoro dividuals, ’s about ep nnectn, mted partnerships, reliable fay, and supportive muny—thgs that everyone serv to pursue ee of discrimatn.</div><div class="SummaryItemByleWrapper-boCfbi cuRXdL summary-em__byle-date-in"><div class="SummaryItemBaseByle-fFbXkY gRtaxp summary-em__byle"><div class="summary-em__byle__ntent"><div data-ttid="BylWrapper" class="BylWrapper-KIudk irTIfE byl"><p class="ByleWrapper-jWHrLH iNSiTG byle byl__byle" data-ttid="ByleWrapper" emProp="thor" emType="><span emProp="name" class="ByleNamWrapper-jbHncj fuDQVo"><span data-ttid="ByleName" class="ByleName-kwmrLn cYaBaU byle__name"><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ BylePreamble-iJolpQ iUEiRd bIbWCO gnILss byle__preamble">By </span>Carole Rose Giuliani</span></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="SummaryItemWrapper-iwvBff gjCHLu summary-em summary-em--has-le summary-em--ARTICLE summary-em--no-in summary-em--text-align-left summary-em--layout-placement-text-below summary-em--layout-posn-image-left summary-em--layout-proportns-50-50 summary-em--si-by-si-align-center summary-em--si-by-si-image-right-mobile-false summary-em--standard SummaryCollectnGridSummaryItem-WColm imbmMa" role="button" tabx="0"><div class="SummaryItemAssetContaer-gwhFFH VOyg summary-em__asset-ntaer"><a class="SummaryItemImageLk-dshqxb cPpCwE summary-em__image-lk summary-em-trackg__image-lk" href=" aria-hidn="te" tabx="-1" data-ponent-type="recirc-river" data-recirc-id="em-image-9" data-recirc-pattern="summary-em" target="_self"><span class="SpanWrapper-umhxW kGxnNB rponsive-asset SummaryItemRponsiveAsset-hjGIGg bDvSkO summary-em__image"><div data-tt="aspect-rat-ntaer" class="AspectRatContaer-bJHpJz cCcPgL"><div class="aspect-rat--overlay-ntaer"><picture class="RponsiveImagePicture-cWuUZO dUOtEa SummaryItemRponsiveAsset-hjGIGg bDvSkO 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data-ttid="SummaryItemHed">Este and Oppenheimer’s Real Relatnship Was Cordial and Complited</div></div></div></a><div class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ SummaryItemDek-CRfsi iUEiRd ijSOpT jDyfzW summary-em__k">Though Este didn’t help build the nuclear bomb and has jt a few scen <em>Oppenheimer</em>, they pack a punch—and reflect the two physicists’ real-life dynamic.</div><div class="SummaryItemByleWrapper-boCfbi cuRXdL summary-em__byle-date-in"><div class="SummaryItemBaseByle-fFbXkY gRtaxp summary-em__byle"><div class="summary-em__byle__ntent"><div data-ttid="BylWrapper" class="BylWrapper-KIudk irTIfE byl"><p class="ByleWrapper-jWHrLH iNSiTG byle byl__byle" data-ttid="ByleWrapper" emProp="thor" emType="><span emProp="name" class="ByleNamWrapper-jbHncj fuDQVo"><span data-ttid="ByleName" class="ByleName-kwmrLn cYaBaU byle__name"><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ BylePreamble-iJolpQ iUEiRd bIbWCO gnILss byle__preamble">By </span>Hillary 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