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handful of hours ago, <style data-emotn="css umdwtv">{-webk-text-ratn:unrle;text-ratn:unrle;text-ratn-thickns:.0625rem;text-ratn-lor:#FF3A30;text-unrle-offset:0.25rem;lor:her;-webk-transn:background 0.4s;transn:background 0.4s;background:lear-gradient(#ffffff, #ffffff 50%, #d5dbe3 50%, #d5dbe3);-webk-background-size:100% 200%;background-size:100% 200%;}{lor:#000000;text-ratn-lor:borr-lk-body-hover;-webk-background-posn:100% 100%;background-posn:100% 100%;}</style><a href=" target="_blank" data-vars-ga-outbound-lk=" data-vars-ga-ux-element="Hyperlk" data-vars-ga-ll-to-actn="Diplo" class="body-lk css-umdwtv et3p2gv0">Diplo</a> was out celebratg the release of <em>Diplo Prents Thomas Wley: Chapter 2 - Swamp Savant</em>, the 44-year-old’s latt foray to untry mic, at the Los Angel rooftop venue Dert 5 Spot, a space that embrac the le between wtern and morn club fluenc. (A perfect f for one of mic’s most prolific, genre-hoppg producers, no?) Diplo, born Thomas Wley Pentz, has seen succs producg global hs (“Lean On,” “Where Are Ü Now”), lnchg ancillary projects (Jack Ü wh Skrillex, Major Lazer wh Ape Dms and Walshy Fire), and dabblg experimentatn (a panmic-era ambient album). And lately he’s been hard at work filtratg the ner sanctum of the Mic Cy tablishment, playg Stageach and llaboratg wh artists like Man Wallen and <a href=" target="_blank" data-vars-ga-outbound-lk=" data-vars-ga-ux-element="Hyperlk" data-vars-ga-ll-to-actn="Sturgill Simpson" class="body-lk css-umdwtv et3p2gv0">Sturgill Simpson</a>. It’s workg and, as he says, untry mic is changg. </p><p data-no-id="3" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">So is Diplo. Always. While receivg red light therapy, the producer spoke to Esquire about his hab of le-breakg, recent ments on his sexualy, and a lifetime of beg misunrstood. This terview has been eded and nnsed. </p><style data-emotn="css 18pb4rg">{borr:0;borr-bottom:th solid black;marg:1.875rem 0;clear:both;}</style><hr data-no-id="4" class="css-18pb4rg et3p2gv0" /><p data-no-id="5" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>ESQUIRE: You’ve said the untry project is “The greatt sgle piece of work you’ve ever done.” What mak this the greatt? Or is that jt hyperbole? </strong></p><p data-no-id="6" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">DIPLO: It’s plete hyperbole. </p><p data-no-id="7" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Okay!</strong></p><p data-no-id="8" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">Of urse I'm gonna say that for a rerd I’m promotg. But realy, untry is the most challengg, dntg, and harst-to-navigate genre of mic I’ve ever worked , whether was Ain mic, pop mic, hoe mic. </p><style data-emotn="css 8c6v">{posn:absolute;left:-10000px;top:to;width:1px;height:1px;overflow:hidn;}</style><div data-ad-exclu class="css-8c6v ehha8ut0">This ntent is imported om youTube. 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I know you were heavily fluenced by your father. Is untry his mil taste? </strong></p><p data-no-id="11" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">It’s not really his taste, bee the only album he ever gave me was the<em> Forrt Gump </em>soundtrack.</p><p data-no-id="12" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Good album!</strong></p><p data-no-id="13" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">That’s probably the bt pilatn of Amerin mic there is. We’d listen to that all the time the r. But he’d also still listen to the Mariah Carey Christmas album July… that wasn’t very ol. I have so many peripheral members of my fay who all listen to untry and hip-hop. That’s where we live. My father owns an RV park near Daytona Beach. This album mak sense there, and I feel like that’s who I ma for. </p><p data-no-id="14" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>What do your father thk of ?</strong></p><p data-no-id="15" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">He’s jt so happy I’m not jail. He was an acuntant and a Vietnam War vet, so he never unrstood the directn I was takg my life. Not that was bad, but there’s nothg tangible about beg a mician. So he’s happy that I found happs and succs this job, bee at first didn’t make any sense to him.</p><p data-no-id="16" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>You stayed wh him when you were makg the rerd. Was that a bondg experience?</strong></p><p data-no-id="17" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">He has a piece of land, and we built a septic tank the yard. We’d move the ws around, pickg up tre and buildg a tree-wall. But maly I was jt bondg wh him as a father, bee we never really had that nnectn. He was never around enough. He was so by. As I got olr, he had books his hoe about how to be a great dad, bee he was always tryg to be succsful at , but wasn’t about that. It was about spendg time wh your son, learng what he do and what mak him happy. </p><p data-no-id="18" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">I thk the last uple years, he saw I have a fay and I’m on my own path and I’m succsful. He jt realized he did a good job by jt showg me love and showg me how to learn about disciple. He’s a great father showg me personal rponsibily and acuntabily that I e a lot when I make mic now. But that’s somethg he was always wonrg, if he was a good dad. He was always askg me that. 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I’m assumg that's not much of an issue now. </strong></p><p data-no-id="21" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">It <em>is</em> an issue now. </p><p data-no-id="22" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Oh really.</strong></p><p data-no-id="23" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">Especially wh untry guys. They really don’t know what I do. They’re aaid of ostracizg fans if they’re leang to pop or hip-hop, whatever is. They’re like, “You wre the lyrics too? You make the dms… om a mache?” I really had to s down wh a big untry artist recently and expla to him how I open my Ableton ssn, a digal workstatn I e on my puter. His md was blown. People may hear my mic, but they're not certa about what is. I’ve always been a talyst for change mic; like tryg different genr, styl and puttg artists together who shouldn’t work on paper together. I’ve always been exced about the people before me that did that kd of stuff, whether was Madonna, The Clash, Prce, or David Bowie. Those are the artists who always took chanc, and when they did, uld change the shape and future of mic. Country is not that genre. It is changg now bee there’s new people volved and different stori beg told, but they’re still sred of change.</p><p data-no-id="24" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>A lot of people said no to this project. What ma you still fe on?</strong></p><p data-no-id="25" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">It’s like gog shoppg. You always want to buy the nict r, right? But you’re gog to have to get what you afford. Wh this project, I wanted stars, I wanted every big person on this rerd. Wh other projects, like when we got Jt Bieber on the Jack Ü rerd, he was at a low pot his reer. He wouldn’t have done that if was durg his <em>Purpose</em> era, but I beme iendly wh his team and we ma a rerd that was special for him—and was a gamechanger for the way people perceived him. For my first untry album, we did a rerd wh Man Wallen, who now might be the biggt artist Ameri as far as tourg and streamg go. When we worked together, he was still up-and-g and he did the rerd wh me bee he had nothg to lose. </p><p data-no-id="26" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">For a lot of the artists, they thk makg more rerds giv you somethg to lose and that makg ls and beg more prec about is how you w, but that’s not really the se anymore. But people did take chanc on me and that’s how you make great rerds. This story is kd of old, but when I ma “Lean On” wh Major Lazer, I was aimg for Rihanna to have on her album. When she passed, I ma our own and beme a huge rerd for , so works that way as well. </p><p data-no-id="27" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>There are not that many creative people mic who have worked wh artists rangg om Man Wallen to Bad Bunny and Skrillex. </strong></p><p data-no-id="28" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">Genre is a human nstct. People see somethg as Lat Trap, or Lat Trap om Puerto Ri or Nashville Country. I see as: this is a chos and that’s a hook, how n we drs up? Dance mic has always been for everybody: Black, whe, gay, European, Mexin. But every other genre ’s “You n’t do this, you n’t do that.” </p><div data-ad-exclu class="css-8c6v ehha8ut0">This ntent is imported om youTube. 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Why do you thk that is?</strong></p><p data-no-id="31" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">The mic dtry is now built on leang to streamg and TikTok. But they ed to be the on who built the artists, who built the brands and marketg plans. They don’t velop artists anymore. It’s always on the back of people like me to do everythg themselv. Not to be all negative about , bee untry is growg—that genre is standg the tt of time—but right now there’s a lot of gatekeepg about what is to be a star, and there aren’t any stars anymore. Not any new on. </p><p data-no-id="32" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">Take an artist like Domic Fike. Lerally for people to listen to his mic <a href=" target="_blank" data-vars-ga-outbound-lk=" data-vars-ga-ux-element="Hyperlk" data-vars-ga-ll-to-actn="he had to be on Euphoria" class="body-lk css-umdwtv et3p2gv0">he had to be on <em>Euphoria</em></a>. You have to have everythg led up. </p><p data-no-id="33" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Let’s pletely swch gears. I heard you ran, and pleted, the LA Marathon while high on LSD. For the layman, how do affect you while you’re nng?</strong></p><p data-no-id="34" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">I do a lot of LSD, but I’m not trippg and lookg at the stars gog <em>“Whaaa?”</em> I micro-dose , maybe a ltle more. I was nervo before the race bee 14 was the most I had ever ran. But woke up kd of late, put my water and drank on the way to Dodger Stadium. It was maybe half of a tab of acid. I had a pace setter I was wh and we were talkg the whole time, and after like seven I looked at my phone and was like, “Man, I’m dog like seven mute .” I was nng really fast, but I wasn’t focg on my body. I was havg a nversatn. My body started to break down by e 17. It was the longt I had ever ran and I didn’t even notice . I attribute that to the LSD. I wouldn't remend anyone else do , I wanted to experiment. It ma the time go by fast, and the worst thg about nng is how borg is. It’s borg as hell.</p><p data-no-id="35" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Do you keep a strict diet?</strong></p><p data-no-id="36" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">I wish was better. I drank last night and I try not to drk at all. I love margaras when I hear untry mic. But I weaned myself off alhol by movg to LSD. I also don’t like to smoke weed. But I do eat ls food than I ed to. I still eat bread and meat, dairy. Those are thgs that don’t affect my body too much. I stay away om sugar. I try to do the basic thgs, but I do work out an hour or two hours a day, five days a week, if I n. I feel normal when I sweat.</p><div size="medium" data-embed="body-image" data-no-id="37" class="align-center size-medium embed css-1736von e1xqj1sx4"><div class="css-uwraif e1xqj1sx3"><img alt="2023 los angel marathon" tle="2023 Los Angel Marathon" loadg="lazy" width="3563" height="2375" dg="async" data-nimg="1" style="lor: transparent; width: 100%; height: to;" siz="100vw" srcSet=" 640w, 980w, 1120w, 1200w, 1920w" src="" class="css-0 exi4f7p0" /><div class="css-swqnqv e1xqj1sx2"><div class="css-8h7i7x e1xqj1sx1">Diplo crossg the fish le at the 2023 LA Marathon.</div><figptn class="css-1am3yn9 enfs9c50"><span class="css-1mcfn5x e6iqd2">Meg Oliphant</span><span class="css-1vpjmnm e6iqd0">//</span><span class="css-1mcfn5x e6iqd1">Getty Imag</span></figptn></div></div></div><p data-no-id="38" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>You recently gave an terview on Ey Ratajakowsi’s podst<em> High Low</em>where you said you’re “not, not gay” and allud to sexual experienc you had wh men. As a gay man myself, I thought that was really awome for you to say that so nonchalantly. Were you surprised by the reactn those ments got? </strong></p><p data-no-id="39" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">I didn’t thk was gog to go viral as much as did, but I thk the funny thg is that ’s not that crazy of a statement, pecially when you live L.A. and you work mic. It shouldn’t even be a word to speak about bee there’s no ntroversy even sayg somethg like that. I didn't realize this as I said , but maybe is important for men to unrstand that isn't that taboo and ’s not that weird to thk that way and ’s not that weird to have feelgs like that. </p><p data-no-id="40" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>What have people been sayg?</strong></p><p data-no-id="41" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">When the terview me out the label was like, “You gotta be gay now, this is gog viral!” I was like, that’s not really the directn I was gog … They didn’t really say like that, but they were like “You gotta lean to .” But I’m not tryg to lsen a gay man’s experience by playg wh . Nobody thought much of my world, but I did get some weird reactns om guys who were tellg girls, “Do you know Diplo’s gay now?” Like, there are still guys who thk like that. </p><p data-no-id="42" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>It seems to me that across the board you don’t really re about boundari: milly, profsnally, and sexually.</strong></p><p data-no-id="43" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">Even when I was talkg about genr; of urse, ’s good to have those so you n fd out where to file your mic, but at the end of the day if you look at like a prison to be , you’re gog to lose out on a lot of great life experienc. Free yourself of that. I’ve always thought, do whatever you n but be great at . So, that’s how I live my life. I have no l. </p><p data-no-id="44" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>Congratulatns aga on the album: greatt piece of work you’ve <em>ever</em>done!</strong></p><p data-no-id="45" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">[<em>Lghs</em>] I had to say . </p><div supprsHydratnWarng data-no-id="46" data-embed="edorial-lk" class="embed css-0 e9hzx6g0"><style data-emotn="css 1643r8a">{borr:none;marg-top:1.875rem;marg-bottom:1.875rem;paddg:0rem;}</style><asi class="css-1643r8a e6pr2lz5"><style data-emotn="css l3w2xc">{display:le-block;font-weight:normal;marg:0rem;borr-top:0.25rem solid #15263D;paddg-right:1.1rem;paddg-top:0.4375rem;text-transform:lowerse;font-fay:Lsanne,Lsanne-fallback,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:0.875rem;le-height:1.3;}</style><h6 class="css-l3w2xc e6pr2lz3"><style data-emotn="css 156fvc1">{borr-bottom:0.4375rem solid #FF3A30;borr-right:0.4375rem solid transparent;ntent:'';display:le-block;height:0;marg-right:0.5rem;width:0;}</style><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-156fvc1 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