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lears need to start preparg for the next threat now. </span><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ CaptnCred-ejegDm iUEiRd iggRJP fNaHcW ptn__cred">Photograph: Ali Cherkis</span></div></div></figure></div></div></hear></div><div data-attribute-verso-pattern="article-body" class="ArticlePageContentBackGround-cNiFNN gVjmSM article-body__ntent"><div class="ActnBarWrapperContent-lasBkU cAHp"><div class="ActnBarWrapperComponent-cjwxLS bEeSLb"><div data-attr-viewport-monor="" class="ActnBarWrapper-dhxmQh bnoUoi viewport-monor-anchor"><button id="bookmark" aria-label="Save" class="ActnBarButton-dyFOZU hqsiKz bookmark large-screen"><span class="ActnBarSendaryButtonPrimaryIn-isbvyN cAwccV bookmark-button-in"><svg class="in in-bookmark" width="24" height="24" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" xmlns="><tle>Save this story</tle><path class="in-bookmark-stroke" d="M11.7661 16.3228L4.5 20.1695V3.5H19.5V20.1695L12.2339 16.3228L12 16.199L11.7661 16.3228Z" stroke-lep="square"/></svg></span><span 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Wh a wi mouth and small handl at the top, the water pail was a repli of one om ancient Rome. In the year 6 AD, a vastatg fire prompted Emperor Augt to anize the Cohort Vigilum—the night watch. The watchmen relied on this not-so-disptive technology to fulfill their duti as Rome's dited firefightg squad.</p><div class="GenericCalloutWrapper-tojWn lgROjj llout--has-top-borr" data-ttid="GenericCallout"><figure class="AssetEmbedWrapper-eVDQiB byBkf asset-embed"><div class="AssetEmbedAssetContaer-eJxoAx dBHGoQ asset-embed__asset-ntaer"><span class="SpanWrapper-umhxW kGxnNB rponsive-asset AssetEmbedRponsiveAsset-cXBNxi eCxVQK asset-embed__rponsive-asset"><picture class="RponsiveImagePicture-cWuUZO dUOtEa AssetEmbedRponsiveAsset-cXBNxi eCxVQK asset-embed__rponsive-asset rponsive-image"><noscript><img alt="WIRED 30.06 A New Inter" class="RponsiveImageContaer-eybHBd fptoWY rponsive-image__image" src=" srcSet=" 120w, 240w, 320w, 640w, 960w, 1280w, 1600w" siz="100vw"/></noscript></picture></span></div><div class="CaptnWrapper-jSZdqE kJoQGV ptn AssetEmbedCaptn-fNQBPI dDrfgT asset-embed__ptn"><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ CaptnText-bHjzlu iUEiRd cDlTYw iXWezO ptn__text">This article appears the June 2022 issue. <a href=">Subscribe to WIRED</a></span><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ CaptnCred-ejegDm iUEiRd iggRJP fNaHcW ptn__cred">Illtratn: Patrick Savile</span></div></figure></div><p class="paywall">Standg ont of the crowd Vanuver his ual crewneck sweater and drs slacks, <a href=">Gat</a> ed the prop to illtrate one of the pots <a data-offer-url=" class="external-lk" data-event-click="{"element":"ExternalLk","outgogURL":"" href=" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">his new book</a>, <em>How to Prevent the Next Panmic</em>. He proposed a morn versn of the Cohort Vigilum that sounds almost like a pch for a televisn seri: a permanent team of 3,000 people around the globe lled GERM—Global Epimic Rponse and Mobilizatn. The group would monor <a href=">potential outbreaks</a>, velop close relatnships wh public health officials around the world, and oversee drills to prepare for the evable—and potentially even worse—sequels to <a href=">Covid</a>.</p><p class="paywall">The <a href=">sistent optimism</a> he brought to this ia and much of his speech was nothg like the bleak alarm of his 2015 TED talk, a jeremiad about our lack of preparedns for an imment panmic. That prentatn has garnered 43 ln views on the TED se; unfortunately, he says, 90 percent of them me after Covid ma his predictn tragilly accurate.</p><asi aria-hidn="te" class="PullQuoteEmbedWrapper-sc-EoVjf kgVYDs"><div class="PullQuoteDerativeBorr-sc-iUyOLj jyfYFL"></div><div class="PullQuoteEmbedContent-sc-kTcfhx knYsPB"><p class="paywall">“The most profound thg that’s gog to happen software is to have tly telligent agents. That’s way more important than the metaverse, way more important than Web3.”</p></div></asi><p class="paywall">Still, wasn't until I sat down wh Gat a few hours after this year's speech that I realized how fully his attentn has shifted away om what, to my md at least, is an ongog crisis. He even took stri that nference-goers had to make their way past anti-vaxxers llg for his imprisonment and worse. He was ls amed at how Covid has (unrstandably) drawn attentn and rourc away om the other diseas of tert to the Bill and Melda Gat Foundatn. (Even though the eponyms of the foundatn have divorced, they are, at least for now, still workg together.)</p><div class="Contaer-bkChBi byNLHx"></div><p class="paywall">Such plats asi, he was doggedly upbeat, not jt about panmics but his view of the state of the world, which, turns out, is much sunnier than me. Only days after our terview did I learn that the Cohort Vigilum failed to nta the Great Fire of Rome 64 AD, a fact I fely would have asked him about had I known.</p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-1 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall">I have terviewed Gat dozens of tim, and as the years go on, I fd he is more likely to employ the poted (and often funny) sarsm he ed to only display privately or ternal meetgs. This was no exceptn, as he met wh risn and mockery my suggtns that (a) even for the privileged, there are signifint risks the current crisis, and (b) general, the world is beg srier and more ristant to logic and science. Reflectg his nfince vacc, we nducted our nversatn maskls. The terview is eded for space and clary.</p><div><div class="ConsumerMarketgUnThemedWrapper-iUTMTf jssHut nsumer-marketg-un nsumer-marketg-un--article-mid-ntent" role="prentatn" aria-hidn="te"><div class="nsumer-marketg-un__slot nsumer-marketg-un__slot--article-mid-ntent nsumer-marketg-un__slot---ntent"></div><div class="journey-un"></div></div></div><p class="paywall"><strong>LEVY: In 2015 you talked about a global stutn to prepare for future outbreaks. 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But they always end up beg jt sktop simulatns, where you don't really ll up the diagnostic pani and see if they n give you PCR mach, or you don't really say, “Let's impose a quarante—where are we gog to put 3,000 people, and how are we gog to enforce ?” When the ary or the fire partment do drills, they do physil, -the-world exercis.</p><div class="AdWrapper-dQtivb fZrssQ ad ad---ntent"><div class="ad__slot ad__slot---ntent" data-no-id="aciqik"></div></div><p class="paywall">It's about the importance of practice. If you look at the untri that were succsful wh Covid, 's basilly plac like Atralia that me to unrstand that public health labs don't have 100 percent of the pacy to do the job of ttg everybody. After a practice n, you'd wre at the top of your piece of paper: Call the PCR pani and make sure you have the budget to stand behd whatever mments you're makg. This was a huge failure the US.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>We were supposedly the most prepared untry, right? Was all that preparatn wasted?</strong></p><p class="paywall">Y, was wasted.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>A premise of your book is that Covid has ma easier to take steps to prevent the next panmic. But I wonr if that's te. We now have lns of people who are skeptil of public health, wh knee-jerk ristance to anythg the ernment propos, creatg a weird headwd.</strong></p><p class="paywall">Most of the elements of my plan are not ntroversial. Diagnosis and quarante aren't that ntroversial. I gus extreme quarante uld be. Theraptics didn't end up beg that ntroversial. It's really only masks that beme ntroversial. You know, we have a half a ln ad bodi—</p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-2 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall"><strong>More.</strong></p><p class="paywall">Well, the US has 600,000 now. [<em>Note om Levy: As of publitn 's more than a ln.</em>] So I expect this will be like a war, where, after 's over, we thk serly about how to prevent om happeng aga.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Well, 's still happeng. Some people even qutn whether 's wise to gather for TED.</strong></p><p class="paywall">Bee why?</p><p class="paywall"><strong>We're still a panmic.</strong></p><p class="paywall">The greatt risk of people g to this nference was gettg to a r. Should they have taken a r? It's very ntroversial! People should thk hard about gettg to rs! I mean, people are dyg. I thk somebody died today. We uld look up. I mean, let's be ser. Is no one willg to be numeric anymore?</p><p class="paywall">[<em>Levy: I looked up later. In March, epimlogist Katelyn Jetela wrote that the chance of dyg om drivg 250 is 1 a ln, or what's lled 1 micromort. In a year, the average Amerin driver racks up about 54 micromorts. For plenty of TED-sters (vaccated, boosted, roughly 65 years old), the chance of dyg after a Covid fectn is 6,000 micromorts—“a ltle more risky than one year of active service Afghanistan 2011,” she wrote.</em>]</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Are you sayg the panmic is sentially over, at least for rich untri?</strong></p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-3 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall">No, 's not over. We don't know enough about variants. Nobody predicted the Omicron variant. It's one of the great unexplaed events. And we've always been pretty stupid about the science of transmissn. I've been llg Congrs and sayg, be more genero on the ternatnal rponse, and I've been llg Germany, the UK, and France. 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The only qutn left is, are you limed by mand or by logistics. In ls vaccated untri, there isn't much mand. In Nigeria, Covid would be, like, the 15th-largt e of ath—you've got HIV, TB, malaria, diarrhea. So when you say to them, “Hey, number 15,” they're like, “Well, what about number one, number two, number three, number four—show me some ad bodi!”</p><p class="paywall">I love the articl that say, “Hey, if the untri don't vaccate themselv, they're gog to generate variants and screw .” There's not much science to support that.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Wa, you're sayg that vaccatg globally</strong> <em><strong>wouldn't</strong></em> <strong>rce the chanc of a more dangero variant?</strong></p><p class="paywall">What science do you have that suggts that? The are not transmissn-blockg vacc. Do you have that through your head? Vacc do not rce the number of s. Where's the logic? You're gog to get ls variants bee … ? What the hell is this?</p><p class="paywall">[<em>Levy: OK.</em> <a href="><em>Larry Brilliant</em></a><em>, an epimlogist whom Gat c his book, says 's te that wh Omicron, the current vacc did a relatively poor job of preventg transmissn. But they still cut the likelihood of gettg sick, and they shorten the urse of the disease fected people, givg potential variants ls time to emerge. “Anybody who says that vaccatg as many people as possible is not important preventg variants is makg a mistake,” says Brilliant.</em>]</p><p class="paywall"><strong>I've been stck by the phback on</strong> <a href="><strong>vacc</strong></a><strong>. It seems that terms of beg a science-based, logic-based society, we're gog backward.</strong></p><p class="paywall">I thk you're a naive person. How popular was evolutn before the panmic? Ls than 50 percent.</p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-4 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall">[<em>Levy: He's close. A Universy of Michigan study of the last 35 years reported that acceptance of evolutn beme the majory opn 2016.</em>]</p><p class="paywall"><strong>People weren't takg to the streets or blockg borrs to monstrate agast blogists like they are wh vacc.</strong></p><p class="paywall">We're not a broadly scientific batg society. Are you sure that we went backward?</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Well, you've been the object of cricism for years, but before the panmic very few people were marchg around outsi and llg for your arrt or executn.</strong></p><p class="paywall">Now I'm a foc. Anthony Fci and me. There's some pretty crazy stuff, right up there wh QAnon, Pizzagate, all that stuff. I wouldn't have anticipated that. To the gree that people don't want to e masks, that's a problem.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>On top of everythg else, we have</strong> <a href="><strong>Ukrae</strong></a><strong>. You're not alarmed that we're gog backward?</strong></p><p class="paywall">I'd rather be alive today than at some time the past. And I'd highly remend that to other people. So if you thk we're gog backward, wow.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>In some rpects, I do thk that. We're not too far apart age. The years when we grew up and nducted our reers were, for some people, a sort of a goln age this untry.</strong></p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-5 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall">Would you have wanted to be a gay person 40 years ago? 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The kgs have always done OK. The d have too. So, recently, for the earls, got a ltle tough.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>They're passg anti-gay laws Florida.</strong></p><p class="paywall">No, they're not passg anti-gay laws. Sodomy ed to be illegal the Uned Stat. There was no gay marriage. The ia that you thk that's a plete retrace, that maybe the 1950s were better, that's a plete loss of perspective.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>So you're ol wh the trends that we're seeg now?</strong></p><p class="paywall">The polarizatn of US polics, and what that might lead to, is somethg that I n't f my normal amework that thgs improve.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>OK, there's somethg that we both agree is a regrsn.</strong></p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-6 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall">I still thk we n improve the human ndn. I thk novatn is very much on our si.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>It seems to me a lot of the trends you pot to as improvement—better tn, life expectancy, civil rights—are tied to the liberalizatn and mocratizatn we saw the latter half of the 20th century. That seems to have been halted or reversed.</strong></p><p class="paywall">I'm a big fan of liberalizatn. But if you take what was like to be a Che cizen 1980, pared to a pre-panmic year like 2019, you see better life expectancy, tn, health, and most thgs we re about. They're way better off, whout much cred gog to liberalizatn. It's te that novatn tends to occur plac that are liberal. Mostly, those have also been the rich plac.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>How do the Rsian vasn of</strong> <a href="><strong>Ukrae</strong></a> <strong>affect your ?</strong></p><p class="paywall">The war Ukrae is a gigantic setback for the work we do. Attentn levels will be down for the we work on.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>There's an odd afterword to your book that talks about workplace technology and the metaverse. It's almost like you uldn't hold back your optimism about .</strong></p><p class="paywall">In the se of remote meetgs, the metaverse is pretty ol—3D immersive technology n make them more like face-to-face meetgs than Hollywood Squar meetgs. But the big thg is puters beg more telligent. That's more important than 3D immersn or glass as a form factor. The puter today is still not very telligent. It don't know your activi, your prri. You wouldn't even tst to take your new mail and text msag and sort them for you based on your ntext. So the most profound thg that's gog to happen software is to have tly telligent agents. That's way more important than the metaverse, way more important than <a href=">Web3</a>.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>You've been talkg about telligent agents for a while.</strong></p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-7 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall">Y. And I will keep talkg about until my damn agent n do for me.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>STEVEN LEVY</strong> <em>(@stevenlevy) wrote about the metaverse issue 29.12/30.01</em></p><hr class="paywall"/><p class="paywall"><em>This article appears the June 2022 issue.</em> <a href="><em>Subscribe now</em></a><em>.</em></p><p class="paywall"><em>Let know what you thk about this article. Subm a letter to the edor at</em> <a href=""><em></em></a><em>.</em></p><p class="paywall"><em>If you buy somethg g lks our stori, we may earn a missn. 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lears need to start preparg for the next threat now. </span><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ CaptnCred-ejegDm iUEiRd iggRJP fNaHcW ptn__cred">Photograph: Ali Cherkis</span></div></div></figure></div></div></hear></div><div data-attribute-verso-pattern="article-body" class="ArticlePageContentBackGround-cNiFNN gVjmSM article-body__ntent"><div class="ActnBarWrapperContent-lasBkU cAHp"><div class="ActnBarWrapperComponent-cjwxLS bEeSLb"><div data-attr-viewport-monor="" class="ActnBarWrapper-dhxmQh bnoUoi viewport-monor-anchor"><button id="bookmark" aria-label="Save" class="ActnBarButton-dyFOZU hqsiKz bookmark large-screen"><span class="ActnBarSendaryButtonPrimaryIn-isbvyN cAwccV bookmark-button-in"><svg class="in in-bookmark" width="24" height="24" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" xmlns="><tle>Save this story</tle><path class="in-bookmark-stroke" d="M11.7661 16.3228L4.5 20.1695V3.5H19.5V20.1695L12.2339 16.3228L12 16.199L11.7661 16.3228Z" stroke-lep="square"/></svg></span><span 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ArticlePageChunksGrid-hfxa bjczjj grid-layout--adrail narrow wi-adrail"><div class="GridItem-buujkM stRKV grid--em grid-layout__ntent"><div class="BodyWrapper-kufPGa jcsZmt body body__ntaer article__body" data-journey-hook="client-ntent" data-ttid="BodyWrapper"><div class="body__ner-ntaer"><p><span class="lead--text-llout">When Bill Gat</span> took the stage at this year's TED nference, he brought wh him a battered woon bucket he'd ma by hand. Wh a wi mouth and small handl at the top, the water pail was a repli of one om ancient Rome. In the year 6 AD, a vastatg fire prompted Emperor Augt to anize the Cohort Vigilum—the night watch. The watchmen relied on this not-so-disptive technology to fulfill their duti as Rome's dited firefightg squad.</p><div class="GenericCalloutWrapper-tojWn lgROjj llout--has-top-borr" data-ttid="GenericCallout"><figure class="AssetEmbedWrapper-eVDQiB byBkf asset-embed"><div class="AssetEmbedAssetContaer-eJxoAx dBHGoQ asset-embed__asset-ntaer"><span class="SpanWrapper-umhxW kGxnNB rponsive-asset AssetEmbedRponsiveAsset-cXBNxi eCxVQK asset-embed__rponsive-asset"><picture class="RponsiveImagePicture-cWuUZO dUOtEa AssetEmbedRponsiveAsset-cXBNxi eCxVQK asset-embed__rponsive-asset rponsive-image"><noscript><img alt="WIRED 30.06 A New Inter" class="RponsiveImageContaer-eybHBd fptoWY rponsive-image__image" src=" srcSet=" 120w, 240w, 320w, 640w, 960w, 1280w, 1600w" siz="100vw"/></noscript></picture></span></div><div class="CaptnWrapper-jSZdqE kJoQGV ptn AssetEmbedCaptn-fNQBPI dDrfgT asset-embed__ptn"><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ CaptnText-bHjzlu iUEiRd cDlTYw iXWezO ptn__text">This article appears the June 2022 issue. <a href=">Subscribe to WIRED</a></span><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ CaptnCred-ejegDm iUEiRd iggRJP fNaHcW ptn__cred">Illtratn: Patrick Savile</span></div></figure></div><p class="paywall">Standg ont of the crowd Vanuver his ual crewneck sweater and drs slacks, <a href=">Gat</a> ed the prop to illtrate one of the pots <a data-offer-url=" class="external-lk" data-event-click="{"element":"ExternalLk","outgogURL":"" href=" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">his new book</a>, <em>How to Prevent the Next Panmic</em>. He proposed a morn versn of the Cohort Vigilum that sounds almost like a pch for a televisn seri: a permanent team of 3,000 people around the globe lled GERM—Global Epimic Rponse and Mobilizatn. The group would monor <a href=">potential outbreaks</a>, velop close relatnships wh public health officials around the world, and oversee drills to prepare for the evable—and potentially even worse—sequels to <a href=">Covid</a>.</p><p class="paywall">The <a href=">sistent optimism</a> he brought to this ia and much of his speech was nothg like the bleak alarm of his 2015 TED talk, a jeremiad about our lack of preparedns for an imment panmic. That prentatn has garnered 43 ln views on the TED se; unfortunately, he says, 90 percent of them me after Covid ma his predictn tragilly accurate.</p><asi aria-hidn="te" class="PullQuoteEmbedWrapper-sc-EoVjf kgVYDs"><div class="PullQuoteDerativeBorr-sc-iUyOLj jyfYFL"></div><div class="PullQuoteEmbedContent-sc-kTcfhx knYsPB"><p class="paywall">“The most profound thg that’s gog to happen software is to have tly telligent agents. That’s way more important than the metaverse, way more important than Web3.”</p></div></asi><p class="paywall">Still, wasn't until I sat down wh Gat a few hours after this year's speech that I realized how fully his attentn has shifted away om what, to my md at least, is an ongog crisis. He even took stri that nference-goers had to make their way past anti-vaxxers llg for his imprisonment and worse. He was ls amed at how Covid has (unrstandably) drawn attentn and rourc away om the other diseas of tert to the Bill and Melda Gat Foundatn. (Even though the eponyms of the foundatn have divorced, they are, at least for now, still workg together.)</p><div class="Contaer-bkChBi byNLHx"></div><p class="paywall">Such plats asi, he was doggedly upbeat, not jt about panmics but his view of the state of the world, which, turns out, is much sunnier than me. Only days after our terview did I learn that the Cohort Vigilum failed to nta the Great Fire of Rome 64 AD, a fact I fely would have asked him about had I known.</p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-1 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall">I have terviewed Gat dozens of tim, and as the years go on, I fd he is more likely to employ the poted (and often funny) sarsm he ed to only display privately or ternal meetgs. This was no exceptn, as he met wh risn and mockery my suggtns that (a) even for the privileged, there are signifint risks the current crisis, and (b) general, the world is beg srier and more ristant to logic and science. Reflectg his nfince vacc, we nducted our nversatn maskls. The terview is eded for space and clary.</p><div><div class="ConsumerMarketgUnThemedWrapper-iUTMTf jssHut nsumer-marketg-un nsumer-marketg-un--article-mid-ntent" role="prentatn" aria-hidn="te"><div class="nsumer-marketg-un__slot nsumer-marketg-un__slot--article-mid-ntent nsumer-marketg-un__slot---ntent"></div><div class="journey-un"></div></div></div><p class="paywall"><strong>LEVY: In 2015 you talked about a global stutn to prepare for future outbreaks. 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But they always end up beg jt sktop simulatns, where you don't really ll up the diagnostic pani and see if they n give you PCR mach, or you don't really say, “Let's impose a quarante—where are we gog to put 3,000 people, and how are we gog to enforce ?” When the ary or the fire partment do drills, they do physil, -the-world exercis.</p><div class="AdWrapper-dQtivb fZrssQ ad ad---ntent"><div class="ad__slot ad__slot---ntent" data-no-id="aciqik"></div></div><p class="paywall">It's about the importance of practice. If you look at the untri that were succsful wh Covid, 's basilly plac like Atralia that me to unrstand that public health labs don't have 100 percent of the pacy to do the job of ttg everybody. After a practice n, you'd wre at the top of your piece of paper: Call the PCR pani and make sure you have the budget to stand behd whatever mments you're makg. This was a huge failure the US.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>We were supposedly the most prepared untry, right? Was all that preparatn wasted?</strong></p><p class="paywall">Y, was wasted.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>A premise of your book is that Covid has ma easier to take steps to prevent the next panmic. But I wonr if that's te. We now have lns of people who are skeptil of public health, wh knee-jerk ristance to anythg the ernment propos, creatg a weird headwd.</strong></p><p class="paywall">Most of the elements of my plan are not ntroversial. Diagnosis and quarante aren't that ntroversial. I gus extreme quarante uld be. Theraptics didn't end up beg that ntroversial. It's really only masks that beme ntroversial. You know, we have a half a ln ad bodi—</p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-2 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall"><strong>More.</strong></p><p class="paywall">Well, the US has 600,000 now. [<em>Note om Levy: As of publitn 's more than a ln.</em>] So I expect this will be like a war, where, after 's over, we thk serly about how to prevent om happeng aga.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Well, 's still happeng. Some people even qutn whether 's wise to gather for TED.</strong></p><p class="paywall">Bee why?</p><p class="paywall"><strong>We're still a panmic.</strong></p><p class="paywall">The greatt risk of people g to this nference was gettg to a r. Should they have taken a r? It's very ntroversial! People should thk hard about gettg to rs! I mean, people are dyg. I thk somebody died today. We uld look up. I mean, let's be ser. Is no one willg to be numeric anymore?</p><p class="paywall">[<em>Levy: I looked up later. In March, epimlogist Katelyn Jetela wrote that the chance of dyg om drivg 250 is 1 a ln, or what's lled 1 micromort. In a year, the average Amerin driver racks up about 54 micromorts. For plenty of TED-sters (vaccated, boosted, roughly 65 years old), the chance of dyg after a Covid fectn is 6,000 micromorts—“a ltle more risky than one year of active service Afghanistan 2011,” she wrote.</em>]</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Are you sayg the panmic is sentially over, at least for rich untri?</strong></p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-3 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall">No, 's not over. We don't know enough about variants. Nobody predicted the Omicron variant. It's one of the great unexplaed events. And we've always been pretty stupid about the science of transmissn. I've been llg Congrs and sayg, be more genero on the ternatnal rponse, and I've been llg Germany, the UK, and France. 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data-no-id="t6tjr"></div></div></li></ul><div class="RecircMostPopularFooter-enPjgs gvTU"></div></div></div></div><div class="StickyBoxPlaceholr-grPmrg dxAvXx"></div></div></div></div><div class="RowWrapper-UmqTg HEhan full-bleed-ad row-mid-ntent-ad"><div class="StickyMidContentAdWrapper-fSBzwl drzyIa ad-stickymidntent"><div class="AdWrapper-dQtivb fZrssQ ad ad--mid-ntent should-hold-space"><div class="ad__slot ad__slot--mid-ntent" data-no-id="ycbj4j"></div></div></div></div><div class="GridWrapper-cAzTTK kHBDeH grid grid-margs grid-ems-2 ArticlePageChunksGrid-hfxa bjczjj grid-layout--adrail narrow wi-adrail"><div class="GridItem-buujkM stRKV grid--em grid-layout__ntent"><div class="BodyWrapper-kufPGa jcsZmt body body__ntaer article__body" data-journey-hook="client-ntent" data-ttid="BodyWrapper"><div class="body__ner-ntaer"><p class="paywall">We no longer have a supply problem wh vacc. The only qutn left is, are you limed by mand or by logistics. In ls vaccated untri, there isn't much mand. In Nigeria, Covid would be, like, the 15th-largt e of ath—you've got HIV, TB, malaria, diarrhea. So when you say to them, “Hey, number 15,” they're like, “Well, what about number one, number two, number three, number four—show me some ad bodi!”</p><p class="paywall">I love the articl that say, “Hey, if the untri don't vaccate themselv, they're gog to generate variants and screw .” There's not much science to support that.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Wa, you're sayg that vaccatg globally</strong> <em><strong>wouldn't</strong></em> <strong>rce the chanc of a more dangero variant?</strong></p><p class="paywall">What science do you have that suggts that? The are not transmissn-blockg vacc. Do you have that through your head? Vacc do not rce the number of s. Where's the logic? You're gog to get ls variants bee … ? What the hell is this?</p><p class="paywall">[<em>Levy: OK.</em> <a href="><em>Larry Brilliant</em></a><em>, an epimlogist whom Gat c his book, says 's te that wh Omicron, the current vacc did a relatively poor job of preventg transmissn. But they still cut the likelihood of gettg sick, and they shorten the urse of the disease fected people, givg potential variants ls time to emerge. “Anybody who says that vaccatg as many people as possible is not important preventg variants is makg a mistake,” says Brilliant.</em>]</p><p class="paywall"><strong>I've been stck by the phback on</strong> <a href="><strong>vacc</strong></a><strong>. It seems that terms of beg a science-based, logic-based society, we're gog backward.</strong></p><p class="paywall">I thk you're a naive person. How popular was evolutn before the panmic? Ls than 50 percent.</p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-4 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall">[<em>Levy: He's close. A Universy of Michigan study of the last 35 years reported that acceptance of evolutn beme the majory opn 2016.</em>]</p><p class="paywall"><strong>People weren't takg to the streets or blockg borrs to monstrate agast blogists like they are wh vacc.</strong></p><p class="paywall">We're not a broadly scientific batg society. Are you sure that we went backward?</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Well, you've been the object of cricism for years, but before the panmic very few people were marchg around outsi and llg for your arrt or executn.</strong></p><p class="paywall">Now I'm a foc. Anthony Fci and me. There's some pretty crazy stuff, right up there wh QAnon, Pizzagate, all that stuff. I wouldn't have anticipated that. To the gree that people don't want to e masks, that's a problem.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>On top of everythg else, we have</strong> <a href="><strong>Ukrae</strong></a><strong>. You're not alarmed that we're gog backward?</strong></p><p class="paywall">I'd rather be alive today than at some time the past. And I'd highly remend that to other people. So if you thk we're gog backward, wow.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>In some rpects, I do thk that. We're not too far apart age. The years when we grew up and nducted our reers were, for some people, a sort of a goln age this untry.</strong></p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-5 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall">Would you have wanted to be a gay person 40 years ago? 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The kgs have always done OK. The d have too. So, recently, for the earls, got a ltle tough.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>They're passg anti-gay laws Florida.</strong></p><p class="paywall">No, they're not passg anti-gay laws. Sodomy ed to be illegal the Uned Stat. There was no gay marriage. The ia that you thk that's a plete retrace, that maybe the 1950s were better, that's a plete loss of perspective.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>So you're ol wh the trends that we're seeg now?</strong></p><p class="paywall">The polarizatn of US polics, and what that might lead to, is somethg that I n't f my normal amework that thgs improve.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>OK, there's somethg that we both agree is a regrsn.</strong></p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-6 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall">I still thk we n improve the human ndn. I thk novatn is very much on our si.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>It seems to me a lot of the trends you pot to as improvement—better tn, life expectancy, civil rights—are tied to the liberalizatn and mocratizatn we saw the latter half of the 20th century. That seems to have been halted or reversed.</strong></p><p class="paywall">I'm a big fan of liberalizatn. But if you take what was like to be a Che cizen 1980, pared to a pre-panmic year like 2019, you see better life expectancy, tn, health, and most thgs we re about. They're way better off, whout much cred gog to liberalizatn. It's te that novatn tends to occur plac that are liberal. Mostly, those have also been the rich plac.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>How do the Rsian vasn of</strong> <a href="><strong>Ukrae</strong></a> <strong>affect your ?</strong></p><p class="paywall">The war Ukrae is a gigantic setback for the work we do. Attentn levels will be down for the we work on.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>There's an odd afterword to your book that talks about workplace technology and the metaverse. It's almost like you uldn't hold back your optimism about .</strong></p><p class="paywall">In the se of remote meetgs, the metaverse is pretty ol—3D immersive technology n make them more like face-to-face meetgs than Hollywood Squar meetgs. But the big thg is puters beg more telligent. That's more important than 3D immersn or glass as a form factor. The puter today is still not very telligent. It don't know your activi, your prri. You wouldn't even tst to take your new mail and text msag and sort them for you based on your ntext. So the most profound thg that's gog to happen software is to have tly telligent agents. That's way more important than the metaverse, way more important than <a href=">Web3</a>.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>You've been talkg about telligent agents for a while.</strong></p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-7 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall">Y. And I will keep talkg about until my damn agent n do for me.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>STEVEN LEVY</strong> <em>(@stevenlevy) wrote about the metaverse issue 29.12/30.01</em></p><hr class="paywall"/><p class="paywall"><em>This article appears the June 2022 issue.</em> <a href="><em>Subscribe now</em></a><em>.</em></p><p class="paywall"><em>Let know what you thk about this article. Subm a letter to the edor at</em> <a href=""><em></em></a><em>.</em></p><p class="paywall"><em>If you buy somethg g lks our stori, we may earn a missn. 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