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data-journey-hook="client-ntent" data-ttid="BodyWrapper"><div class="body__ner-ntaer"><p class="has-dropp"><em>Stranger Thgs</em> creators <strong>Ross</strong> and <strong>Matt Duffer</strong> never tend to live the ’80s forever.</p><p>Their origal plan for Netflix’s <a href=">supernatural megah</a> was to start Reagan-era Ameri, then flash forward to the prent day. “It was gog to be one season, and then we were gog to do a time jump. We were really spired by <em>It,</em>” Matt says, referrg to the -spanng <a href="><strong>Stephen Kg</strong> novel</a> that chronicl both childhood and adulthood for s killer-clown huntg hero. “If we wanted to ntue…we’d have some of the kids as adults wh their own kids.”</p><p class="paywall">But plans change. The nostalgia of those glory days was too allurg, the young stars too pellg to leave behd, and the dangers of Hawks, Indiana, remaed ever prent, even while rooted yteryear. Now that <em>Stranger Thgs</em> is drawg closer to s evable ncln (ahead of s season four premiere, was renewed for <a href=">a fifth and fal season</a>), the Duffer Brothers are lookg ahead once aga. </p><div class="Contaer-bkChBi byNLHx"></div><p class="paywall">Could we see the kids as grown-ups someday? What else is on the horizon for the wrg-directg-and-producg duo? After drawg so much fluence om Kg, is there a straight adaptatn their future?</p><div class="AdWrapper-dQtivb fZrssQ ad ad---ntent"><div class="ad__slot ad__slot---ntent" data-no-id="btct57"></div></div><p class="paywall">The Duffer Brothers answered all the qutns and more as <em>Stranger Thgs</em> drops volume one of s fourth season this weekend, wh two epic-size episos g volume two this July.</p><div><div class="ConsumerMarketgUnThemedWrapper-iUTMTf jssHut nsumer-marketg-un nsumer-marketg-un--article-mid-ntent" role="prentatn" aria-hidn="te"><div class="nsumer-marketg-un__slot nsumer-marketg-un__slot--article-mid-ntent nsumer-marketg-un__slot---ntent"></div><div class="journey-un"></div></div></div><p class="paywall">We began our nversatn discsg another time—the mid-’90s stead of the 1980s—and a gdge the tw brothers have held for more than a quarter century…</p><figure class="CneVioEmbedFigure-kCfJjN hdJOda e-vio-embed"><div data-ttid="script-ntaer"></div></figure><p class="paywall"><em><strong>Vany Fair:</strong></em> <strong>I’m gog to avoid divg to spoilers for season four bee ’s jt droppg now. But what is your approach to talkg about them? What do you thk dienc should know at the start?</strong></p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-1 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall"><em>Ross Duffer:</em> It's always a balancg act, bee you want to get people exced, but you don't want to the experience. So 's hard to say. I'm so ed now to social media, wh everyone like: “Spoiler warng!” and jt tryg to be very reful. A iend of ours ed the endg of <em>Se7en</em> for sixth gra and I've <em>never</em> fiven him, bee that was a great filmgog experience.</p></div></div></div></div><div data-ttid="RowWrapper" class="RowWrapper-UmqTg HEhan full-bleed-ad row-mid-ntent-ad"><div class="StickyMidContentAdWrapper-fSBzwl drzyIa ad-stickymidntent"><div class="AdWrapper-dQtivb fZrssQ ad ad--mid-ntent should-hold-space"><div class="ad__slot ad__slot--mid-ntent" data-no-id="sfzii7"></div></div></div></div><div class="GridWrapper-cAzTTK eRggVV grid grid-margs grid-ems-0 ArticlePageChunksGrid-hfxa bDFJoo"><div class="GridItem-buujkM kHPPIF grid--em"><div class="BodyWrapper-kufPGa dEQjuV body body__ntaer article__body" data-journey-hook="client-ntent" data-ttid="BodyWrapper"><div class="body__ner-ntaer"><p class="paywall"><em>Matt Duffer:</em> It's one of the <em>all-time</em> great endgs.</p><p class="paywall"><em>Ross Duffer:</em> And he ed for ! He told [<a href=">redacted</a>]! It was so disappotg.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>I know the movie me out 1995, but if I quote you sayg that, somebody onle is gog to be like, "It …</strong> <em><strong>what</strong></em><strong>?"</strong></p><p class="paywall"><em>Ross Duffer:</em> Exactly.</p><p class="paywall"><em>Matt Duffer:</em> No, enough time has passed. That [sixth gra experience] was wh a year of release, which is unacceptable.</p><p class="paywall"><em>Ross Duffer:</em> Can you image tryg to release <em>The Sixth Sense</em> now? How do you avoid <em>that</em> gettg out stantly? I don't know.</p><figure class="AssetEmbedWrapper-eVDQiB byBkf asset-embed"><div class="AssetEmbedAssetContaer-eJxoAx dBHGoQ asset-embed__asset-ntaer"><span class="SpanWrapper-umhxW kGxnNB rponsive-asset AssetEmbedRponsiveAsset-cXBNxi eCxVQK asset-embed__rponsive-asset"><picture class="RponsiveImagePicture-cWuUZO dUOtEa AssetEmbedRponsiveAsset-cXBNxi eCxVQK asset-embed__rponsive-asset rponsive-image"><noscript><img alt="Image may nta Fashn Human Person Wona Ryr Premiere Clothg Su Overat Apparel and Coat" class="RponsiveImageContaer-eybHBd fptoWY rponsive-image__image" src=" srcSet=" 120w, 240w, 320w, 640w, 960w, 1280w, 1600w" siz="100vw"/></noscript></picture></span></div><div class="CaptnWrapper-jSZdqE kIXbGQ ptn AssetEmbedCaptn-fNQBPI fmQnYP asset-embed__ptn"><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ CaptnText-bHjzlu iUEiRd hBkROF iXWezO ptn__text">Ross Duffer, actrs Wona Ryr, stg director Carmen Cuba and Matt Duffer attend Netflix's <em>Stranger Thgs</em> season 4 premiere.</span><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ CaptnCred-ejegDm iUEiRd hCJFDV fNaHcW ptn__cred">Roy Rochl/Getty Imag</span></div></figure><p class="paywall"><strong>What's your philosophy about talkg about the twists and the surpris the show? When do you like to do your post-game terviews and discs endgs, and aths, and cliffhangers?</strong></p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-2 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall"><em>Ross Duffer:</em> Well, 's changed, hontly om season one to now. It was particularly shockg to jt how quickly season three was nsumed. People watched over that July 4th weekend, and really started lvg to right after that. Whereas, season one was much more about people fdg , and spreadg through word of mouth. So that lasted a uple months. It went om a much more extend nversatn to somethg that is much more prsed.</p><p class="paywall"><em>Matt Duffer:</em> But bee of the length of this new season, I thk we’ve got to give people a good two weeks.</p><p class="paywall"><em>Ross Duffer:</em> That's te. It'd be a lot to bge a weekend.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>It has been three years sce your last season of</strong> <em><strong>Stranger Thgs</strong></em><strong>. Your characters are gettg a ltle olr, your actors are growg up. How would you say this new season ag up wh the characters?</strong></p><p class="paywall"><em>Matt Duffer:</em> That's one of the thgs I like about the show, as much as I would've loved to eeze them time, when they were so cute season one. Whenever I look back, my jaw hs the floor over how ltle they were. But is sort of that Harry Potter thg that as they get olr, allows the show to anilly evolve. This season particular, our quote-unquote kids are not kids; they're teens. So felt very natural for to put them to a horror film. It's allowed to go to darker plac than we would've been able to go season one.</p></div></div></div></div><div data-ttid="RowWrapper" class="RowWrapper-UmqTg HEhan full-bleed-ad row-mid-ntent-ad"><div class="StickyMidContentAdWrapper-fSBzwl drzyIa ad-stickymidntent"><div class="AdWrapper-dQtivb fZrssQ ad ad--mid-ntent should-hold-space"><div class="ad__slot ad__slot--mid-ntent" data-no-id="v8i"></div></div></div></div><div class="GridWrapper-cAzTTK eRggVV grid grid-margs grid-ems-0 ArticlePageChunksGrid-hfxa bDFJoo"><div class="GridItem-buujkM kHPPIF grid--em"><div class="BodyWrapper-kufPGa dEQjuV body body__ntaer article__body" data-journey-hook="client-ntent" data-ttid="BodyWrapper"><div class="body__ner-ntaer"><figure class="AssetEmbedWrapper-eVDQiB byBkf asset-embed"><div class="AssetEmbedAssetContaer-eJxoAx dBHGoQ asset-embed__asset-ntaer"><span class="SpanWrapper-umhxW kGxnNB rponsive-asset AssetEmbedRponsiveAsset-cXBNxi eCxVQK asset-embed__rponsive-asset"><picture class="RponsiveImagePicture-cWuUZO dUOtEa AssetEmbedRponsiveAsset-cXBNxi eCxVQK asset-embed__rponsive-asset rponsive-image"><noscript><img alt="Image may nta Water Human Person and Outdoors" class="RponsiveImageContaer-eybHBd fptoWY rponsive-image__image" src=" srcSet=" 120w, 240w, 320w, 640w, 960w, 1280w, 1600w" siz="100vw"/></noscript></picture></span></div><div class="CaptnWrapper-jSZdqE kIXbGQ ptn AssetEmbedCaptn-fNQBPI fmQnYP asset-embed__ptn"><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ CaptnText-bHjzlu iUEiRd hBkROF iXWezO ptn__text"><strong>Nice To Eat You:</strong> Vea, the otherworldly predator huntg troubled kids <em>Stranger Thgs</em>, season 4.</span><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ CaptnCred-ejegDm iUEiRd hCJFDV fNaHcW ptn__cred">Courty of Netflix</span></div></figure><p class="paywall"><strong>Would be safe to reveal there's an otherworldly prence named Vea who liv The Upsi Down dimensn, but is preyg on teenagers our world? And that he attacks om wh their heads?</strong></p><p class="paywall"><em>Matt Duffer:</em> Yeah, that's fe. Listen: I always wanted to do a <em>Nightmare on Elm Street</em> movie, which was never gog to happen. It was like, ‘Okay, this is our opportuny. What do a Freddy Keger look like the <em>Stranger Thgs</em> universe, and how would work wh the kids?’ One of the most terrifyg thgs about Freddy Keger is he's actually not physilly there. He's your md.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Tell me more about makg this season more of a horror story than a fantasy adventure.</strong></p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-3 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall"><em>Matt Duffer:</em> That's been a lot of fun, bee as spired as we were by the Ambl films, like <em>The Gooni</em> and all that, Ross and I got to the edgier stuff high school. In particular, there was <em>A Nightmare on Elm Street</em>, there was <em>Hellraiser</em>, there was Stephen Kg. We jt followed this path and we disvered John Carpenter, we disvered <em>The Thg</em>, we watched <em>The Shg</em>…</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Those are all very different narrativ, but they share a mon thread—thgs actually don't work out okay. Not too many happy endgs.</strong></p><p class="paywall"><em>Matt Duffer:</em> They almost felt dangero bee felt like there was no safety . We didn't know what they were gog to show. When I popped <em>Hellraiser</em>, that tone was unrelentg and there was no sense of pe. It was a different form of pism. So we wanted to repture that this year, a ltle b.</p><figure class="AssetEmbedWrapper-eVDQiB byBkf asset-embed"><div class="AssetEmbedAssetContaer-eJxoAx dBHGoQ asset-embed__asset-ntaer"><span class="SpanWrapper-umhxW kGxnNB rponsive-asset AssetEmbedRponsiveAsset-cXBNxi eCxVQK asset-embed__rponsive-asset"><picture class="RponsiveImagePicture-cWuUZO dUOtEa AssetEmbedRponsiveAsset-cXBNxi eCxVQK asset-embed__rponsive-asset rponsive-image"><noscript><img alt="Image may nta Human Person Clothg Apparel Charlie Heaton Sleeve and Millie Bobby Brown" class="RponsiveImageContaer-eybHBd fptoWY rponsive-image__image" src=" srcSet=" 120w, 240w, 320w, 640w, 960w, 1280w, 1600w" siz="100vw"/></noscript></picture></span></div><div class="CaptnWrapper-jSZdqE kIXbGQ ptn AssetEmbedCaptn-fNQBPI fmQnYP asset-embed__ptn"><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ CaptnText-bHjzlu iUEiRd hBkROF iXWezO ptn__text"><strong>Friends 4 Ever:</strong> Eduardo Fran as Argyle, Charlie Heaton as Jonathan, Millie Bobby Brown as Eleven, Noah Schnapp as Will Byers, and Fn Wolfhard as Mike Wheeler <em>Stranger Thgs</em>, season 4.</span><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ CaptnCred-ejegDm iUEiRd hCJFDV fNaHcW ptn__cred">Courty of Netflix</span></div></figure></div></div></div></div><div data-ttid="RowWrapper" class="RowWrapper-UmqTg HEhan full-bleed-ad row-mid-ntent-ad"><div class="StickyMidContentAdWrapper-fSBzwl drzyIa ad-stickymidntent"><div class="AdWrapper-dQtivb fZrssQ ad ad--mid-ntent should-hold-space"><div class="ad__slot ad__slot--mid-ntent" data-no-id="wzumte"></div></div></div></div><div class="GridWrapper-cAzTTK eRggVV grid grid-margs grid-ems-0 ArticlePageChunksGrid-hfxa bDFJoo"><div class="GridItem-buujkM kHPPIF grid--em"><div class="BodyWrapper-kufPGa dEQjuV body body__ntaer article__body" data-journey-hook="client-ntent" data-ttid="BodyWrapper"><div class="body__ner-ntaer"><p class="paywall"><strong>In those adolcent years, there's so much anguish your own head. You are thkg the worst thgs about yourself, you're obssg. Is season four symbolic of that, given that your monster preys on those who are overwhelmed wh fears and regrets and mistak?</strong></p><p class="paywall"><em>Matt Duffer:</em> For sure, y. Ross and I—and I thk 's fair to say most of the wrers we were workg wh—none of had a particularly good high school experience. You're figurg out who you are, and 's always tumultuo. When we started talkg about high school, we started talkg about anxiety and prsn and all of the issu that, for , weren't prent middle school. Middle school was a magil time for , whereas high school was like nng ee a fort and then htg straight to a ncrete wall.</p><p class="paywall">A lot of what you're alg wh is ternal. I didn't have anyone to talk about wh, and wasn't until llege that I started to look back on high school and unrstand a ltle b more of what I had gone through.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Your tw brother jt looked at you like, "I was</strong> <em><strong>right there</strong></em><strong>."</strong></p><p class="paywall"><em>Matt Duffer:</em> <em>[Lghs.]</em> Ross and I need to do better munitg wh each other. No, but we did have each other, and then a lot of our pe me through makg movi. That's how we ma through. Anyway, we thought of Vea as someone who uld explo the fact that the teens are gog through a difficult time.</p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-4 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall"><em>Ross Duffer:</em> He’s like a shark. He's gog around the waters lookg for prey. The easier prey are the on kickg their legs [and stgglg]. He se that motn, and that mak them much more vulnerable to beg grabbed.</p><p class="paywall"><em>Matt Duffer:</em> Vea preys on the securi, and a lot of them aren't even real. I thk that's what a lot of people stggle wh. You're tellg yourself stori that aren't even a reflectn of realy, but you loop them, and at a certa pot be real. He's that voice your head that you n't put away. That's what Vea reprents.</p><figure class="AssetEmbedWrapper-eVDQiB byBkf asset-embed"><div class="AssetEmbedAssetContaer-eJxoAx dBHGoQ asset-embed__asset-ntaer"><span class="SpanWrapper-umhxW kGxnNB rponsive-asset AssetEmbedRponsiveAsset-cXBNxi eCxVQK asset-embed__rponsive-asset"><picture class="RponsiveImagePicture-cWuUZO dUOtEa AssetEmbedRponsiveAsset-cXBNxi eCxVQK asset-embed__rponsive-asset rponsive-image"><noscript><img alt="Image may nta Face Human Person Beard and Head" class="RponsiveImageContaer-eybHBd fptoWY rponsive-image__image" src=" srcSet=" 120w, 240w, 320w, 640w, 960w, 1280w, 1600w" siz="100vw"/></noscript></picture></span></div><div class="CaptnWrapper-jSZdqE kIXbGQ ptn AssetEmbedCaptn-fNQBPI fmQnYP asset-embed__ptn"><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ CaptnText-bHjzlu iUEiRd hBkROF iXWezO ptn__text"><strong>Can't Unsee:</strong> Robert Eglund as the tragic Victor Creel <em>Stranger Thgs</em>, season four.</span><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ CaptnCred-ejegDm iUEiRd hCJFDV fNaHcW ptn__cred">Courty of Netflix</span></div></figure></div></div></div></div><div data-ttid="RowWrapper" class="RowWrapper-UmqTg HEhan full-bleed-ad row-mid-ntent-ad"><div class="StickyMidContentAdWrapper-fSBzwl drzyIa ad-stickymidntent"><div class="AdWrapper-dQtivb fZrssQ ad ad--mid-ntent should-hold-space"><div class="ad__slot ad__slot--mid-ntent" data-no-id="ccssb9"></div></div></div></div><div class="GridWrapper-cAzTTK eRggVV grid grid-margs grid-ems-0 ArticlePageChunksGrid-hfxa bDFJoo"><div class="GridItem-buujkM kHPPIF grid--em"><div class="BodyWrapper-kufPGa dEQjuV body body__ntaer article__body" data-journey-hook="client-ntent" data-ttid="BodyWrapper"><div class="body__ner-ntaer"><p class="paywall"><strong>You not only have</strong> <em><strong>A Nightmare on Elm Street</strong></em> <strong>vib this season, but you also have Freddy Keger actor</strong> <strong>Robert Englund</strong> <strong> a surprise role. Can you tell me about brgg him to this world (or is that a spoiler)?</strong></p><p class="paywall"><em>Ross Duffer:</em> No, that's fe, we n talk about Robert. I wish I uld take cred for that or Matt uld take cred for . But we were jt lookg through dn tap, and he popped on screen and was jt brilliant. He's so tertwed wh that role of Freddy Keger, but at the end of the day, he's a great actor and he's a legend. </p><p class="paywall">The same thg happened wh <strong>Sean Ast</strong> for Bob [ season two]. That <a href=">was not an ial ia we had for that role</a>, but we were lookg at tap and he jt embodied the character a really tertg way. I'm exced for people to see Robert play someone that's not Freddy Keger. He's very emotnal and he do a tremendo job.</p><p class="paywall"><em>Matt Duffer:</em> It's ls about the nod and the wk. That's veerg to meta terrory. It's more hontly about Ross and I selfishly gettg a chance to work wh actors who we so admired growg up. The Keger voice? He'll jt do for you. Some of people I've met, they really don't want to talk about what they were famo for, say, the ‘80s. But oh no, Robert lov to do Freddy, and still sends shivers down my back.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>You two were profoundly fluenced by Stephen Kg.</strong></p><p class="paywall"><em>Matt Duffer:</em> Who?</p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-5 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall"><em><strong>[Lghs]</strong></em> <strong>Yeah, have you ever heard of him?</strong></p><p class="paywall"><em>Ross Duffer:</em> I don't know who you're talkg about.</p><p class="paywall"><em>Matt Duffer:</em> No, not faiar wh him.</p><figure class="AssetEmbedWrapper-eVDQiB byBkf asset-embed"><div class="AssetEmbedAssetContaer-eJxoAx dBHGoQ asset-embed__asset-ntaer"><span class="SpanWrapper-umhxW kGxnNB rponsive-asset AssetEmbedRponsiveAsset-cXBNxi eCxVQK asset-embed__rponsive-asset"><picture class="RponsiveImagePicture-cWuUZO dUOtEa AssetEmbedRponsiveAsset-cXBNxi eCxVQK asset-embed__rponsive-asset rponsive-image"><noscript><img alt="Image may nta Human Person Nature Weather Lightg Fog Cy Town Urban Buildg Metropolis Light and Flare" class="RponsiveImageContaer-eybHBd fptoWY rponsive-image__image" src=" srcSet=" 120w, 240w, 320w, 640w, 960w, 1280w, 1600w" siz="100vw"/></noscript></picture></span></div><div class="CaptnWrapper-jSZdqE kIXbGQ ptn AssetEmbedCaptn-fNQBPI fmQnYP asset-embed__ptn"><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ CaptnText-bHjzlu iUEiRd hBkROF iXWezO ptn__text"><strong>Unwele Home:</strong> The kids explore a ndown hoe that may be a gateway to the latt threat om The Upsi Down.</span><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ CaptnCred-ejegDm iUEiRd hCJFDV fNaHcW ptn__cred">Courty of Netflix</span></div></figure></div></div></div></div><div data-ttid="RowWrapper" class="RowWrapper-UmqTg HEhan full-bleed-ad row-mid-ntent-ad"><div class="StickyMidContentAdWrapper-fSBzwl drzyIa ad-stickymidntent"><div class="AdWrapper-dQtivb fZrssQ ad ad--mid-ntent should-hold-space"><div class="ad__slot ad__slot--mid-ntent" data-no-id="j0w9rl"></div></div></div></div><div class="GridWrapper-cAzTTK eRggVV grid grid-margs grid-ems-0 ArticlePageChunksGrid-hfxa bDFJoo"><div class="GridItem-buujkM kHPPIF grid--em"><div class="BodyWrapper-kufPGa dEQjuV body body__ntaer article__body" data-journey-hook="client-ntent" data-ttid="BodyWrapper"><div class="body__ner-ntaer"><p class="paywall"><strong>There’s a creepy hoe the new episos that lls to md the one that leads to Pennywise’s lair </strong> <em><strong>It</strong></em><strong>. Can you tell me about that book’s fluence on season four?</strong></p><p class="paywall"><em>Matt Duffer:</em> It was a <em>big</em> fluence on the show om the start. <em>It</em> has always been there—the ia of kids a small town battlg a supernatural enty om another dimensn. The biggt takeaway om <em>It</em> for me is: character first, or nothg else that happens is gog to matter. When Pennywise emerg, you're not gog to be as ightened as you are for the kids. The reason you're shakg is bee you see yourself those kids. It felt like I was there. He nvced me I was there, and then he brought this clown to .</p><p class="paywall"><em>Ross Duffer:</em> And the fact that Pennywise is sentient and he n talk to you is somethg we did want to do this season wh Vea. It's somethg we've never had before. Last season, we got our big monster movie, <em>Jurassic Park</em>, summer blockbter out of the way. Now was like, okay, what if we take a much more psychologil turn?</p><p class="paywall"><em>Matt Duffer:</em> Yeah, we had a monster that was as big as a mall. What do you do, jt make as big as a skyscraper? That's the wrong way to go. By slg down, actually feels a lot bigger—a lot srier.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>What’s next for you? I know you're planng a fifth season beyond this, and then that's gog to be .</strong></p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-6 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall"><em>Ross Duffer:</em> Yeah.</p><p class="paywall"><em>Matt Duffer:</em> Yeah, exactly.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Speakg of Stephen Kg, I unrstand you are workg on the adaptatn of</strong> <em><strong>The Talisman</strong></em><strong>, a book he -wrote wh Peter Strb. Is that still happeng? What's the stat?</strong></p><p class="paywall"><em>Ross Duffer:</em> We're startg to branch out a ltle b to producg stuff that we're not necsarily shownng, jt bee there are properti or wrers or directors that we really admire and want to work wh. <em>The Talisman</em> beg one example. That's a big property that they've been tryg to get gog for 30 years, so if we n help get that gog, that would be credible. We've been so entrenched <em>Stranger Thgs</em> world, 's nice to start to step out.</p><p class="paywall"><em>Matt Duffer:</em> I thk 's one of the last ‘80s Stephen Kg books that has not been adapted any form. And the only reason is bee <strong>Steven Spielberg</strong> grabbed onto the rights. He grabbed the rights and he's held onto for 30 years. You look at that book, and 's 800-pl pag. It's too big for a movie. At the time, TV was not equipped to do what you need to do wh that book. It's huge, 's got tons of spectacle, 's massive. Now, when you n basilly do the eight-hour movi, fally I thk the time is right to make <em>The Talisman</em>. I'm optimistic 's gog to happen bee the hurdl that stood the way are now gone.</p><div class="GenericCalloutWrapper-tojWn cpANDM llout--has-top-borr" data-ttid="GenericCallout"><figure class="AssetEmbedWrapper-eVDQiB byBkf asset-embed"><div class="AssetEmbedAssetContaer-eJxoAx dBHGoQ asset-embed__asset-ntaer"><span class="SpanWrapper-umhxW kGxnNB rponsive-asset AssetEmbedRponsiveAsset-cXBNxi eCxVQK asset-embed__rponsive-asset"><picture class="RponsiveImagePicture-cWuUZO dUOtEa AssetEmbedRponsiveAsset-cXBNxi eCxVQK asset-embed__rponsive-asset rponsive-image"><noscript><img alt="Image may nta Novel Book Advertisement Poster and Text" class="RponsiveImageContaer-eybHBd fptoWY rponsive-image__image" src=" srcSet=" 120w, 240w, 320w, 640w, 960w, 1280w, 1600w" siz="100vw"/></noscript></picture></span></div></figure></div><p class="paywall"><strong>I’ve</strong> <a href="><strong>terviewed both Kg and Spielberg</strong></a> <strong>about this, and you’re right. Spielberg didn’t optn —he bought outright and owns the rights perpetuy.</strong></p></div></div></div></div><div data-ttid="RowWrapper" class="RowWrapper-UmqTg HEhan full-bleed-ad row-mid-ntent-ad"><div class="StickyMidContentAdWrapper-fSBzwl drzyIa ad-stickymidntent"><div class="AdWrapper-dQtivb fZrssQ ad ad--mid-ntent should-hold-space"><div class="ad__slot ad__slot--mid-ntent" data-no-id="xtduik"></div></div></div></div><div class="GridWrapper-cAzTTK eRggVV grid grid-margs grid-ems-0 ArticlePageChunksGrid-hfxa bDFJoo"><div class="GridItem-buujkM kHPPIF grid--em"><div class="BodyWrapper-kufPGa dEQjuV body body__ntaer article__body" data-journey-hook="client-ntent" data-ttid="BodyWrapper"><div class="body__ner-ntaer"><p class="paywall"><strong>Ross Duffer:</strong> Exactly.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Matt Duffer:</strong> That's why no one's ma . The optn has never lapsed. Our iend <a href="><strong>Curtis Gwn</strong></a> is headg that show, and he's one of the wrers om <em>Stranger Thgs</em>. He lled and he was like, "Would you be terted beg volved any way?" And we're like, "Are you kiddg?" It's Stephen Kg and Steven Spielberg, and 's about a boy who cross to another dimensn not to save his iend, but save his mother. There's so many parallels to <em>Stranger Thgs</em>. It's very different tonally than <em>Stranger Thgs</em>, so 's not gog to feel like <em>Stranger Thgs: Part Two</em>, but…</p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-7 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall"><em>Ross Duffer:</em> … It do share some DNA.</p><p class="paywall"><em>Matt Duffer:</em> Yeah, fely shar a lot. Origally, that's how we pched <em>Stranger Thgs</em>, like was an undisvered Stephen Kg book that Spielberg directed. That was the pch, so the fact that [<em>The Talisman</em>] is a Stephen Kg-Spielberg llaboratn, to be any ty part is awome.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>So Curtis Gwn is wrg , but you're producg . Have you had any nversatns wh eher of the Stev about ?</strong></p><p class="paywall"><em>Ross Duffer:</em> Not wh Stephen Kg. Wh Spielberg, we have, yeah.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>What did he tell you about why he was so passnate about ?</strong></p><p class="paywall"><em>Ross Duffer:</em> You n jt see the joy he has for this story. It really down to the relatnship wh the kid and his mom. That's the emotnal through-le of that story, and that's what we're tryg to pture. But of urse, there's an credible werewolf character, which I thk is at least a top-10 Stephen Kg character. Wolf is right up there. I thk we're all exced about brgg that to life.</p><p class="paywall"><em>Matt Duffer:</em> There's a 100-page sectn of the book that is like <em>Shawshank Remptn</em> wh teenagers and a werewolf, and I'm jt like...</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Oh yeah, that crazy relig orphanage. Sunlight Home. It's credible.</strong></p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-8 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall"><em>Matt Duffer:</em> If this is executed as well as the wrg serv, that's a slam dunk. Anyway, I'm exced about . I know 's probably pretty far off. To me, jt to get to the part where we're stg Wolf, that's the goal. That's the make or break , the stg of Wolf. You fd the right actor for that role…</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Kg and Strb revised Jack Sawyer, the ma character </strong> <em><strong>The Talisman</strong></em><strong>, as an adult 2001’s</strong> <em><strong>Black Hoe</strong></em><strong>. So this is a qutn you may be loath to answer, but: is there any part of you that thks you’d like to revis your kids, the</strong> <em><strong>Stranger Thgs</strong></em> <strong>characters, sometime way off the future when they're grown-ups?</strong></p><p class="paywall"><em>Matt Duffer:</em> Well, I like that. I thk there's potential there. I thk you jt have to be dog for the right reason. That's why, right now, there's no other <em>Stranger Thgs</em> properti—jt the <em>Stranger Thgs</em> show. We jt don't want to be dog anythg for the wrong reason, and we don't want to be dog more seasons than there should be. It feels like five and out, and then we wa a while. And who knows what's gog to happen wh our reer, what terts are gog to pull .</p></div></div></div></div><div data-ttid="RowWrapper" class="RowWrapper-UmqTg HEhan full-bleed-ad row-mid-ntent-ad"><div class="StickyMidContentAdWrapper-fSBzwl drzyIa ad-stickymidntent"><div class="AdWrapper-dQtivb fZrssQ ad ad--mid-ntent should-hold-space"><div class="ad__slot ad__slot--mid-ntent" data-no-id="p5i8sd"></div></div></div></div><div class="GridWrapper-cAzTTK eRggVV grid grid-margs grid-ems-0 ArticlePageChunksGrid-hfxa bDFJoo"><div class="GridItem-buujkM kHPPIF grid--em"><div class="BodyWrapper-kufPGa dEQjuV body body__ntaer article__body" data-journey-hook="client-ntent" data-ttid="BodyWrapper"><div class="body__ner-ntaer"><p class="paywall">If we wanted to ntue… we'd have some of the kids as adults wh their own kids. I like that ia. We have bee so close to the st, and 's unual the sense that so many of them started out as kids. I always say we're ls like dads to them and more like olr brothers, but is like fay. I thk we're gog to miss each other a lot.</p><p class="paywall">I thk at a certa pot, would feel really good to work together aga, whether 's on somethg else or another <em>Stranger Thgs</em>. But I thk right now, for my own sany, I have to jt be like: <em>one</em> more season of <em>Stranger Thgs,</em> and I'm gog to be <em>Stranger Thgs</em>’d out for a while. You jt have to wa until you feel that pull of: God, I <em>have</em> to do this.</p><p class="paywall"><em>Ross Duffer:</em> The goal, hontly, wh five is to make feel like a really satisfyg and hopefully, to the journey of the characters. That's really the drive right now. But like Matt's sayg, anythg's possible.</p><p class="paywall">Prr to sellg <em>Stranger Thgs</em> to Netflix, we pched on <em>Gooni II</em>, and was the same [ncept]. It was, let's have the olr generatn, the generatn om the origal movie, now have kids and 's like the dual adventur. I don't thk we ever fully cracked . I thk that the trick is to not k and to e back and do for the right reasons. That's the goal. But who knows? Like Matt said, I thk we're gog to miss them. </p><p class="paywall">Even now, jt talkg about wrg the characters for one more time next season, gets all choked up and emotnal. We have their voic our head, and I know the actors do. How n I not wre Dt aga, or Steve? It's sad. Maybe we'll feel that pull. But the goal right now is, let's stick that landg and tell a satisfyg endg to this story.</p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-9 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall"><strong>Is that time-jump ncept you had md still viable, or has that story been ed other ways?</strong></p><p class="paywall"><em>Ross Duffer:</em> It hontly wasn't an ia. It was jt more like, "Oh, we uld do a time jump ..." Then Netflix go, "Well, n you ntue this story wh <em>the</em> kids?" And we said, "Sure." It wasn't really until season two got gog that we went and started to build out this whole world.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Wag a while to revis the characters will give you guys a chance to reflect on adulthood. What were the thgs that hnted our 30s?</strong></p><p class="paywall"><em>Ross Duffer:</em> Matt's a new father now. I'm sure we're gog to learn a lot of lsons along the way.</p><p class="paywall"><em>Matt Duffer:</em> The problem wh this terview is Netflix will pull this out 20 years or whatever and say, "See …? You guys <em>said</em> you want to do this, right?"</p><p class="paywall"><em>Ross Duffer:</em> Exactly.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>You are not mted. This is not bdg.</strong></p><p class="paywall"><em>Matt Duffer:</em> All right… “I said ‘maybe!’ And that was 20 years ago! 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SummaryItemRponsiveAsset-hjGIGg bDvSkO summary-em__image"><div data-tt="aspect-rat-ntaer" class="AspectRatContaer-bJHpJz hlQxkn"><div class="aspect-rat--overlay-ntaer"><picture class="RponsiveImagePicture-cWuUZO dUOtEa SummaryItemRponsiveAsset-hjGIGg bDvSkO summary-em__image rponsive-image"><noscript><source media="(max-width: 767px)" srcSet="" siz="100vw"/><source media="(m-width: 768px)" srcSet="" siz="100vw"/><img alt="Emma Seligman Wants to Show “Really, Really Horny Female Characters”" class="RponsiveImageContaer-eybHBd fptoWY rponsive-image__image" src="></noscript></picture></div></div></span></a></div><div class="SummaryItemContent-eiDYMl clSLtF summary-em__ntent"><div class="RubricWrapper-dKmCNX hXRWeY bric bric--disvery SummaryItemRubric-dguGKN lapGFj summary-em__bric"><span class="RubricName-fVtemz cLxcNi">Movi</span></div><a class="SummaryItemHedLk-civM cxlTHI summary-em-trackg__hed-lk summary-em__hed-lk" data-ponent-type="recirc-river" data-recirc-id="em-hed-3" data-recirc-pattern="summary-em" href=" target="_self"><div data-ttid="ClampWrapper" class="ClampWrapper-kZxfkB hTTNGO clamp SummaryItemHedBase-hiFYpQ khUTXM summary-em__hed"><div class="ClampContent-hilPkr jVhSBH"><div class="SummaryItemHedTag-TWblf gxaOcP" data-ttid="SummaryItemHed">Emma Seligman Wants to Show “Really, Really Horny Female Characters”</div></div></div></a><div class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ SummaryItemDek-CRfsi iUEiRd ijSOpT jDyfzW summary-em__k">The <em>Shiva Baby</em> tr on her wacky queer teen fight club movie, <em>Bottoms.</em></div><div class="SummaryItemByleWrapper-boCfbi hYsZi summary-em__byle-date-in"><div class="SummaryItemBaseByle-fFbXkY gRtaxp summary-em__byle"><div class="summary-em__byle__ntent"><div data-ttid="BylWrapper" class="BylWrapper-KIudk irTIfE byl"><p class="ByleWrapper-jWHrLH iNSiTG byle byl__byle" data-ttid="ByleWrapper" emProp="thor" emType="><span emProp="name" class="ByleNamWrapper-jbHncj fuDQVo"><span data-ttid="ByleName" class="ByleName-kwmrLn cYaBaU byle__name"><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ BylePreamble-iJolpQ iUEiRd bIbWCO gnILss byle__preamble">By </span>Joy Prs</span></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="AdWrapper-dQtivb fZrssQ SummaryCollectnGridSummaryItem-WColm cNQsbv ad ad--read-more"><div class="ad__slot ad__slot--read-more" data-no-id="7tjm"></div></div><div class="SummaryItemWrapper-iwvBff fKazuH summary-em summary-em--has-le summary-em--ARTICLE summary-em--no-in summary-em--text-align-left summary-em--layout-placement-text-below summary-em--layout-posn-image-left summary-em--layout-proportns-50-50 summary-em--si-by-si-align-center summary-em--si-by-si-image-right-mobile-false summary-em--standard SummaryCollectnGridSummaryItem-WColm cNQsbv" role="button" tabx="0"><div class="SummaryItemAssetContaer-gwhFFH VOyg summary-em__asset-ntaer"><a class="SummaryItemImageLk-dshqxb cPpCwE summary-em__image-lk summary-em-trackg__image-lk" href=" aria-hidn="te" tabx="-1" data-ponent-type="recirc-river" data-recirc-id="em-image-4" data-recirc-pattern="summary-em" target="_self"><span class="SpanWrapper-umhxW kGxnNB rponsive-asset SummaryItemRponsiveAsset-hjGIGg bDvSkO summary-em__image"><div data-tt="aspect-rat-ntaer" class="AspectRatContaer-bJHpJz hlQxkn"><div class="aspect-rat--overlay-ntaer"><picture class="RponsiveImagePicture-cWuUZO dUOtEa SummaryItemRponsiveAsset-hjGIGg bDvSkO summary-em__image rponsive-image"><noscript><source media="(max-width: 767px)" srcSet="" siz="100vw"/><source media="(m-width: 768px)" srcSet="" siz="100vw"/><img alt="Ethan and Maya Hawke and Lra Lney on the Amb, Lyril Fay Project of Wildt" class="RponsiveImageContaer-eybHBd fptoWY rponsive-image__image" src="></noscript></picture></div></div></span></a></div><div class="SummaryItemContent-eiDYMl clSLtF summary-em__ntent"><div class="RubricWrapper-dKmCNX hXRWeY bric bric--disvery SummaryItemRubric-dguGKN lapGFj summary-em__bric"><span class="RubricName-fVtemz cLxcNi">Award Season</span></div><a class="SummaryItemHedLk-civM cxlTHI summary-em-trackg__hed-lk summary-em__hed-lk" data-ponent-type="recirc-river" data-recirc-id="em-hed-4" data-recirc-pattern="summary-em" href=" target="_self"><div data-ttid="ClampWrapper" class="ClampWrapper-kZxfkB hTTNGO clamp SummaryItemHedBase-hiFYpQ khUTXM summary-em__hed"><div class="ClampContent-hilPkr jVhSBH"><div class="SummaryItemHedTag-TWblf gxaOcP" data-ttid="SummaryItemHed">Ethan and Maya Hawke and Lra Lney on the Amb, Lyril Fay Project of <em>Wildt</em> </div></div></div></a><div class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ SummaryItemDek-CRfsi iUEiRd ijSOpT jDyfzW summary-em__k">Ethan Hawke and his dghter, Maya Hawke, cid to make a movie about Flannery O’Connor together. Then they brought an old iend, Lra Lney. The tr reflect on their timate faial and artistic bond. </div><div class="SummaryItemByleWrapper-boCfbi hYsZi summary-em__byle-date-in"><div class="SummaryItemBaseByle-fFbXkY gRtaxp summary-em__byle"><div class="summary-em__byle__ntent"><div data-ttid="BylWrapper" class="BylWrapper-KIudk irTIfE byl"><p class="ByleWrapper-jWHrLH iNSiTG byle byl__byle" data-ttid="ByleWrapper" emProp="thor" emType="><span emProp="name" class="ByleNamWrapper-jbHncj fuDQVo"><span data-ttid="ByleName" class="ByleName-kwmrLn cYaBaU byle__name"><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ BylePreamble-iJolpQ iUEiRd bIbWCO gnILss byle__preamble">By </span>David Canfield</span></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="SummaryItemWrapper-iwvBff fKazuH summary-em summary-em--has-le summary-em--ARTICLE summary-em--no-in summary-em--text-align-left summary-em--layout-placement-text-below summary-em--layout-posn-image-left summary-em--layout-proportns-50-50 summary-em--si-by-si-align-center summary-em--si-by-si-image-right-mobile-false summary-em--standard SummaryCollectnGridSummaryItem-WColm cNQsbv" role="button" tabx="0"><div class="SummaryItemAssetContaer-gwhFFH VOyg summary-em__asset-ntaer"><a class="SummaryItemImageLk-dshqxb cPpCwE summary-em__image-lk summary-em-trackg__image-lk" href=" aria-hidn="te" tabx="-1" data-ponent-type="recirc-river" data-recirc-id="em-image-5" data-recirc-pattern="summary-em" target="_self"><span class="SpanWrapper-umhxW kGxnNB rponsive-asset SummaryItemRponsiveAsset-hjGIGg bDvSkO summary-em__image"><div data-tt="aspect-rat-ntaer" class="AspectRatContaer-bJHpJz hlQxkn"><div class="aspect-rat--overlay-ntaer"><picture class="RponsiveImagePicture-cWuUZO dUOtEa SummaryItemRponsiveAsset-hjGIGg bDvSkO summary-em__image rponsive-image"><noscript><source media="(max-width: 767px)" srcSet="" siz="100vw"/><source media="(m-width: 768px)" srcSet="" siz="100vw"/><img alt="The O.C.’s Creators Are Gog Right Back Where They Started From" class="RponsiveImageContaer-eybHBd fptoWY rponsive-image__image" src="></noscript></picture></div></div></span></a></div><div class="SummaryItemContent-eiDYMl clSLtF summary-em__ntent"><div class="RubricWrapper-dKmCNX hXRWeY bric bric--disvery SummaryItemRubric-dguGKN lapGFj summary-em__bric"><span class="RubricName-fVtemz cLxcNi">Televisn</span></div><a class="SummaryItemHedLk-civM cxlTHI summary-em-trackg__hed-lk summary-em__hed-lk" data-ponent-type="recirc-river" data-recirc-id="em-hed-5" data-recirc-pattern="summary-em" href=" target="_self"><div data-ttid="ClampWrapper" class="ClampWrapper-kZxfkB hTTNGO clamp SummaryItemHedBase-hiFYpQ khUTXM summary-em__hed"><div class="ClampContent-hilPkr jVhSBH"><div class="SummaryItemHedTag-TWblf gxaOcP" data-ttid="SummaryItemHed"><em>The O.C.</em>’s Creators Are Gog Right Back Where They Started From</div></div></div></a><div class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ SummaryItemDek-CRfsi iUEiRd ijSOpT jDyfzW summary-em__k">Josh Schwartz and Stephanie Savage, creator and executive producer of <em>The O.C.,</em> exclively discs their new book, <em>Wele to the O.C.,</em> why they regret killg Marissa, and the problematic si of Seth Cohen.</div><div class="SummaryItemByleWrapper-boCfbi hYsZi summary-em__byle-date-in"><div class="SummaryItemBaseByle-fFbXkY gRtaxp summary-em__byle"><div class="summary-em__byle__ntent"><div data-ttid="BylWrapper" class="BylWrapper-KIudk irTIfE byl"><p class="ByleWrapper-jWHrLH iNSiTG byle byl__byle" data-ttid="ByleWrapper" emProp="thor" emType="><span emProp="name" class="ByleNamWrapper-jbHncj fuDQVo"><span data-ttid="ByleName" class="ByleName-kwmrLn cYaBaU byle__name"><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ BylePreamble-iJolpQ iUEiRd bIbWCO gnILss byle__preamble">By </span>Ilana Kaplan</span></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="SummaryItemWrapper-iwvBff fKazuH summary-em summary-em--has-le summary-em--ARTICLE summary-em--no-in summary-em--text-align-left summary-em--layout-placement-text-below summary-em--layout-posn-image-left summary-em--layout-proportns-50-50 summary-em--si-by-si-align-center summary-em--si-by-si-image-right-mobile-false summary-em--standard SummaryCollectnGridSummaryItem-WColm cNQsbv" role="button" tabx="0"><div class="SummaryItemAssetContaer-gwhFFH VOyg summary-em__asset-ntaer"><a class="SummaryItemImageLk-dshqxb cPpCwE summary-em__image-lk summary-em-trackg__image-lk" href=" aria-hidn="te" tabx="-1" data-ponent-type="recirc-river" data-recirc-id="em-image-6" data-recirc-pattern="summary-em" target="_self"><span class="SpanWrapper-umhxW kGxnNB rponsive-asset SummaryItemRponsiveAsset-hjGIGg bDvSkO summary-em__image"><div data-tt="aspect-rat-ntaer" class="AspectRatContaer-bJHpJz hlQxkn"><div class="aspect-rat--overlay-ntaer"><picture class="RponsiveImagePicture-cWuUZO dUOtEa SummaryItemRponsiveAsset-hjGIGg bDvSkO summary-em__image rponsive-image"><noscript><source media="(max-width: 767px)" srcSet="" siz="100vw"/><source media="(m-width: 768px)" srcSet="" siz="100vw"/><img alt="Noah Schnapp Says He’d Still Be Closeted If Not for Stranger Thgs" class="RponsiveImageContaer-eybHBd fptoWY rponsive-image__image" src="></noscript></picture></div></div></span></a></div><div class="SummaryItemContent-eiDYMl clSLtF summary-em__ntent"><div class="RubricWrapper-dKmCNX hXRWeY bric bric--disvery SummaryItemRubric-dguGKN lapGFj summary-em__bric"><span class="RubricName-fVtemz cLxcNi">Televisn</span></div><a class="SummaryItemHedLk-civM cxlTHI summary-em-trackg__hed-lk summary-em__hed-lk" data-ponent-type="recirc-river" data-recirc-id="em-hed-6" data-recirc-pattern="summary-em" href=" target="_self"><div data-ttid="ClampWrapper" class="ClampWrapper-kZxfkB hTTNGO clamp SummaryItemHedBase-hiFYpQ khUTXM summary-em__hed"><div class="ClampContent-hilPkr jVhSBH"><div class="SummaryItemHedTag-TWblf gxaOcP" data-ttid="SummaryItemHed"> Noah Schnapp Says He’d Still Be Closeted If Not for <em>Stranger Thgs</em></div></div></div></a><div class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ SummaryItemDek-CRfsi iUEiRd ijSOpT jDyfzW summary-em__k">In a <em>Variety</em> ver story, the <em>Stranger Thgs</em> star says that he would be “ a pletely different place” had he not played closeted teenager Will Byers on the h Netflix seri.</div><div class="SummaryItemByleWrapper-boCfbi hYsZi summary-em__byle-date-in"><div class="SummaryItemBaseByle-fFbXkY gRtaxp summary-em__byle"><div class="summary-em__byle__ntent"><div data-ttid="BylWrapper" class="BylWrapper-KIudk irTIfE byl"><p class="ByleWrapper-jWHrLH iNSiTG byle byl__byle" data-ttid="ByleWrapper" emProp="thor" emType="><span emProp="name" class="ByleNamWrapper-jbHncj fuDQVo"><span data-ttid="ByleName" class="ByleName-kwmrLn cYaBaU byle__name"><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ BylePreamble-iJolpQ iUEiRd bIbWCO gnILss byle__preamble">By </span>Chris Murphy</span></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="SummaryItemWrapper-iwvBff fKazuH summary-em summary-em--has-le summary-em--ARTICLE summary-em--no-in summary-em--text-align-left summary-em--layout-placement-text-below summary-em--layout-posn-image-left summary-em--layout-proportns-50-50 summary-em--si-by-si-align-center summary-em--si-by-si-image-right-mobile-false summary-em--standard SummaryCollectnGridSummaryItem-WColm cNQsbv" role="button" tabx="0"><div class="SummaryItemAssetContaer-gwhFFH VOyg summary-em__asset-ntaer"><a class="SummaryItemImageLk-dshqxb cPpCwE summary-em__image-lk summary-em-trackg__image-lk" href=" aria-hidn="te" tabx="-1" data-ponent-type="recirc-river" data-recirc-id="em-image-7" data-recirc-pattern="summary-em" target="_self"><span class="SpanWrapper-umhxW kGxnNB rponsive-asset SummaryItemRponsiveAsset-hjGIGg bDvSkO summary-em__image"><div data-tt="aspect-rat-ntaer" class="AspectRatContaer-bJHpJz hlQxkn"><div class="aspect-rat--overlay-ntaer"><picture class="RponsiveImagePicture-cWuUZO dUOtEa SummaryItemRponsiveAsset-hjGIGg bDvSkO summary-em__image rponsive-image"><noscript><source media="(max-width: 767px)" srcSet="" siz="100vw"/><source media="(m-width: 768px)" srcSet="" siz="100vw"/><img alt="Andor: Insi the Makg of a Perfect Star Wars Episo" class="RponsiveImageContaer-eybHBd fptoWY rponsive-image__image" src="></noscript></picture></div></div></span></a></div><div class="SummaryItemContent-eiDYMl clSLtF summary-em__ntent"><div class="RubricWrapper-dKmCNX hXRWeY bric bric--disvery SummaryItemRubric-dguGKN lapGFj summary-em__bric"><span class="RubricName-fVtemz cLxcNi">Award Season</span></div><a class="SummaryItemHedLk-civM cxlTHI summary-em-trackg__hed-lk summary-em__hed-lk" data-ponent-type="recirc-river" data-recirc-id="em-hed-7" data-recirc-pattern="summary-em" href=" target="_self"><div data-ttid="ClampWrapper" class="ClampWrapper-kZxfkB hTTNGO clamp SummaryItemHedBase-hiFYpQ khUTXM summary-em__hed"><div class="ClampContent-hilPkr jVhSBH"><div class="SummaryItemHedTag-TWblf gxaOcP" data-ttid="SummaryItemHed"><em>Andor:</em> Insi the Makg of a Perfect <em>Star Wars</em> Episo</div></div></div></a><div class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ SummaryItemDek-CRfsi iUEiRd ijSOpT jDyfzW summary-em__k">Tony Gilroy walks through the secrets of “Rix Road,” the fale that helped earn the show many of s eight Emmy nomatns.</div><div class="SummaryItemByleWrapper-boCfbi hYsZi summary-em__byle-date-in"><div class="SummaryItemBaseByle-fFbXkY gRtaxp summary-em__byle"><div class="summary-em__byle__ntent"><div data-ttid="BylWrapper" class="BylWrapper-KIudk irTIfE byl"><p class="ByleWrapper-jWHrLH iNSiTG byle byl__byle" data-ttid="ByleWrapper" emProp="thor" emType="><span emProp="name" class="ByleNamWrapper-jbHncj fuDQVo"><span data-ttid="ByleName" class="ByleName-kwmrLn cYaBaU byle__name"><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ BylePreamble-iJolpQ iUEiRd bIbWCO gnILss byle__preamble">By </span>Anthony Breznin</span></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="SummaryItemWrapper-iwvBff fKazuH summary-em summary-em--has-le summary-em--ARTICLE summary-em--no-in summary-em--text-align-left summary-em--layout-placement-text-below summary-em--layout-posn-image-left summary-em--layout-proportns-50-50 summary-em--si-by-si-align-center summary-em--si-by-si-image-right-mobile-false summary-em--standard SummaryCollectnGridSummaryItem-WColm cNQsbv" role="button" tabx="0"><div class="SummaryItemAssetContaer-gwhFFH VOyg summary-em__asset-ntaer"><a class="SummaryItemImageLk-dshqxb cPpCwE summary-em__image-lk summary-em-trackg__image-lk" href=" aria-hidn="te" tabx="-1" data-ponent-type="recirc-river" data-recirc-id="em-image-8" data-recirc-pattern="summary-em" target="_self"><span class="SpanWrapper-umhxW kGxnNB rponsive-asset SummaryItemRponsiveAsset-hjGIGg bDvSkO summary-em__image"><div data-tt="aspect-rat-ntaer" class="AspectRatContaer-bJHpJz hlQxkn"><div class="aspect-rat--overlay-ntaer"><picture class="RponsiveImagePicture-cWuUZO dUOtEa SummaryItemRponsiveAsset-hjGIGg bDvSkO summary-em__image rponsive-image"><noscript><source media="(max-width: 767px)" srcSet="" siz="100vw"/><source media="(m-width: 768px)" srcSet="" siz="100vw"/><img alt="Andrea Mart Has Been Wag for Her Big Only Murrs Moment" class="RponsiveImageContaer-eybHBd fptoWY rponsive-image__image" src="></noscript></picture></div></div></span></a></div><div class="SummaryItemContent-eiDYMl clSLtF summary-em__ntent"><div class="RubricWrapper-dKmCNX hXRWeY bric bric--disvery SummaryItemRubric-dguGKN lapGFj summary-em__bric"><span class="RubricName-fVtemz cLxcNi">Hollywood</span></div><a class="SummaryItemHedLk-civM cxlTHI summary-em-trackg__hed-lk summary-em__hed-lk" data-ponent-type="recirc-river" data-recirc-id="em-hed-8" data-recirc-pattern="summary-em" href=" target="_self"><div data-ttid="ClampWrapper" class="ClampWrapper-kZxfkB hTTNGO clamp SummaryItemHedBase-hiFYpQ khUTXM summary-em__hed"><div class="ClampContent-hilPkr jVhSBH"><div class="SummaryItemHedTag-TWblf gxaOcP" data-ttid="SummaryItemHed">Andrea Mart Has Been Wag for Her Big <em>Only Murrs</em> Moment</div></div></div></a><div class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ SummaryItemDek-CRfsi iUEiRd ijSOpT jDyfzW summary-em__k">Seri creator John Hoffman told Mart that the part would be small at first, “but that would grow,” says the actor. “He was hont: It was small, and <em>did</em> grow.”</div><div class="SummaryItemByleWrapper-boCfbi hYsZi summary-em__byle-date-in"><div class="SummaryItemBaseByle-fFbXkY gRtaxp summary-em__byle"><div class="summary-em__byle__ntent"><div data-ttid="BylWrapper" class="BylWrapper-KIudk irTIfE byl"><p class="ByleWrapper-jWHrLH iNSiTG byle byl__byle" data-ttid="ByleWrapper" emProp="thor" emType="><span emProp="name" class="ByleNamWrapper-jbHncj fuDQVo"><span data-ttid="ByleName" class="ByleName-kwmrLn cYaBaU byle__name"><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ BylePreamble-iJolpQ iUEiRd bIbWCO gnILss byle__preamble">By </span>Donald Liebenson</span></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="SummaryItemWrapper-iwvBff fKazuH summary-em summary-em--has-le summary-em--ARTICLE summary-em--no-in summary-em--text-align-left summary-em--layout-placement-text-below summary-em--layout-posn-image-left summary-em--layout-proportns-50-50 summary-em--si-by-si-align-center summary-em--si-by-si-image-right-mobile-false summary-em--standard SummaryCollectnGridSummaryItem-WColm cNQsbv" role="button" tabx="0"><div class="SummaryItemAssetContaer-gwhFFH VOyg summary-em__asset-ntaer"><a class="SummaryItemImageLk-dshqxb cPpCwE summary-em__image-lk summary-em-trackg__image-lk" href=" aria-hidn="te" tabx="-1" data-ponent-type="recirc-river" data-recirc-id="em-image-9" data-recirc-pattern="summary-em" target="_self"><span class="SpanWrapper-umhxW kGxnNB rponsive-asset SummaryItemRponsiveAsset-hjGIGg bDvSkO summary-em__image"><div data-tt="aspect-rat-ntaer" class="AspectRatContaer-bJHpJz hlQxkn"><div class="aspect-rat--overlay-ntaer"><picture class="RponsiveImagePicture-cWuUZO dUOtEa SummaryItemRponsiveAsset-hjGIGg bDvSkO summary-em__image rponsive-image"><noscript><source media="(max-width: 767px)" srcSet="" siz="100vw"/><source media="(m-width: 768px)" srcSet="" siz="100vw"/><img alt="Insi All of Us Strangers, Andrew Stt and Pl Ml’s Metaphysil Love Story" class="RponsiveImageContaer-eybHBd fptoWY rponsive-image__image" src="></noscript></picture></div></div></span></a></div><div class="SummaryItemContent-eiDYMl clSLtF summary-em__ntent"><div class="RubricWrapper-dKmCNX hXRWeY bric bric--disvery SummaryItemRubric-dguGKN lapGFj summary-em__bric"><span class="RubricName-fVtemz cLxcNi">Award Season</span></div><a class="SummaryItemHedLk-civM cxlTHI summary-em-trackg__hed-lk summary-em__hed-lk" data-ponent-type="recirc-river" data-recirc-id="em-hed-9" data-recirc-pattern="summary-em" href=" target="_self"><div 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Together, they make for an emotnal epic.</div><div class="SummaryItemByleWrapper-boCfbi hYsZi summary-em__byle-date-in"><div class="SummaryItemBaseByle-fFbXkY gRtaxp summary-em__byle"><div class="summary-em__byle__ntent"><div data-ttid="BylWrapper" class="BylWrapper-KIudk irTIfE byl"><p class="ByleWrapper-jWHrLH iNSiTG byle byl__byle" data-ttid="ByleWrapper" emProp="thor" emType="><span emProp="name" class="ByleNamWrapper-jbHncj fuDQVo"><span data-ttid="ByleName" class="ByleName-kwmrLn cYaBaU byle__name"><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ BylePreamble-iJolpQ iUEiRd bIbWCO gnILss byle__preamble">By </span>David Canfield</span></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="SummaryItemWrapper-iwvBff fKazuH summary-em summary-em--has-le summary-em--ARTICLE summary-em--no-in summary-em--text-align-left summary-em--layout-placement-text-below summary-em--layout-posn-image-left summary-em--layout-proportns-50-50 summary-em--si-by-si-align-center 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data-journey-hook="client-ntent" data-ttid="BodyWrapper"><div class="body__ner-ntaer"><p class="has-dropp"><em>Stranger Thgs</em> creators <strong>Ross</strong> and <strong>Matt Duffer</strong> never tend to live the ’80s forever.</p><p>Their origal plan for Netflix’s <a href=">supernatural megah</a> was to start Reagan-era Ameri, then flash forward to the prent day. “It was gog to be one season, and then we were gog to do a time jump. We were really spired by <em>It,</em>” Matt says, referrg to the -spanng <a href="><strong>Stephen Kg</strong> novel</a> that chronicl both childhood and adulthood for s killer-clown huntg hero. “If we wanted to ntue…we’d have some of the kids as adults wh their own kids.”</p><p class="paywall">But plans change. The nostalgia of those glory days was too allurg, the young stars too pellg to leave behd, and the dangers of Hawks, Indiana, remaed ever prent, even while rooted yteryear. Now that <em>Stranger Thgs</em> is drawg closer to s evable ncln (ahead of s season four premiere, was renewed for <a href=">a fifth and fal season</a>), the Duffer Brothers are lookg ahead once aga. </p><div class="Contaer-bkChBi byNLHx"></div><p class="paywall">Could we see the kids as grown-ups someday? What else is on the horizon for the wrg-directg-and-producg duo? After drawg so much fluence om Kg, is there a straight adaptatn their future?</p><div class="AdWrapper-dQtivb fZrssQ ad ad---ntent"><div class="ad__slot ad__slot---ntent" data-no-id="btct57"></div></div><p class="paywall">The Duffer Brothers answered all the qutns and more as <em>Stranger Thgs</em> drops volume one of s fourth season this weekend, wh two epic-size episos g volume two this July.</p><div><div class="ConsumerMarketgUnThemedWrapper-iUTMTf jssHut nsumer-marketg-un nsumer-marketg-un--article-mid-ntent" role="prentatn" aria-hidn="te"><div class="nsumer-marketg-un__slot nsumer-marketg-un__slot--article-mid-ntent nsumer-marketg-un__slot---ntent"></div><div class="journey-un"></div></div></div><p class="paywall">We began our nversatn discsg another time—the mid-’90s stead of the 1980s—and a gdge the tw brothers have held for more than a quarter century…</p><figure class="CneVioEmbedFigure-kCfJjN hdJOda e-vio-embed"><div data-ttid="script-ntaer"></div></figure><p class="paywall"><em><strong>Vany Fair:</strong></em> <strong>I’m gog to avoid divg to spoilers for season four bee ’s jt droppg now. But what is your approach to talkg about them? What do you thk dienc should know at the start?</strong></p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-1 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall"><em>Ross Duffer:</em> It's always a balancg act, bee you want to get people exced, but you don't want to the experience. So 's hard to say. I'm so ed now to social media, wh everyone like: “Spoiler warng!” and jt tryg to be very reful. A iend of ours ed the endg of <em>Se7en</em> for sixth gra and I've <em>never</em> fiven him, bee that was a great filmgog experience.</p></div></div></div></div><div data-ttid="RowWrapper" class="RowWrapper-UmqTg HEhan full-bleed-ad row-mid-ntent-ad"><div class="StickyMidContentAdWrapper-fSBzwl drzyIa ad-stickymidntent"><div class="AdWrapper-dQtivb fZrssQ ad ad--mid-ntent should-hold-space"><div class="ad__slot ad__slot--mid-ntent" data-no-id="sfzii7"></div></div></div></div><div class="GridWrapper-cAzTTK eRggVV grid grid-margs grid-ems-0 ArticlePageChunksGrid-hfxa bDFJoo"><div class="GridItem-buujkM kHPPIF grid--em"><div class="BodyWrapper-kufPGa dEQjuV body body__ntaer article__body" data-journey-hook="client-ntent" data-ttid="BodyWrapper"><div class="body__ner-ntaer"><p class="paywall"><em>Matt Duffer:</em> It's one of the <em>all-time</em> great endgs.</p><p class="paywall"><em>Ross Duffer:</em> And he ed for ! He told [<a href=">redacted</a>]! It was so disappotg.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>I know the movie me out 1995, but if I quote you sayg that, somebody onle is gog to be like, "It …</strong> <em><strong>what</strong></em><strong>?"</strong></p><p class="paywall"><em>Ross Duffer:</em> Exactly.</p><p class="paywall"><em>Matt Duffer:</em> No, enough time has passed. That [sixth gra experience] was wh a year of release, which is unacceptable.</p><p class="paywall"><em>Ross Duffer:</em> Can you image tryg to release <em>The Sixth Sense</em> now? How do you avoid <em>that</em> gettg out stantly? I don't know.</p><figure class="AssetEmbedWrapper-eVDQiB byBkf asset-embed"><div class="AssetEmbedAssetContaer-eJxoAx dBHGoQ asset-embed__asset-ntaer"><span class="SpanWrapper-umhxW kGxnNB rponsive-asset AssetEmbedRponsiveAsset-cXBNxi eCxVQK asset-embed__rponsive-asset"><picture class="RponsiveImagePicture-cWuUZO dUOtEa AssetEmbedRponsiveAsset-cXBNxi eCxVQK asset-embed__rponsive-asset rponsive-image"><noscript><img alt="Image may nta Fashn Human Person Wona Ryr Premiere Clothg Su Overat Apparel and Coat" class="RponsiveImageContaer-eybHBd fptoWY rponsive-image__image" src=" srcSet=" 120w, 240w, 320w, 640w, 960w, 1280w, 1600w" siz="100vw"/></noscript></picture></span></div><div class="CaptnWrapper-jSZdqE kIXbGQ ptn AssetEmbedCaptn-fNQBPI fmQnYP asset-embed__ptn"><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ CaptnText-bHjzlu iUEiRd hBkROF iXWezO ptn__text">Ross Duffer, actrs Wona Ryr, stg director Carmen Cuba and Matt Duffer attend Netflix's <em>Stranger Thgs</em> season 4 premiere.</span><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ CaptnCred-ejegDm iUEiRd hCJFDV fNaHcW ptn__cred">Roy Rochl/Getty Imag</span></div></figure><p class="paywall"><strong>What's your philosophy about talkg about the twists and the surpris the show? When do you like to do your post-game terviews and discs endgs, and aths, and cliffhangers?</strong></p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-2 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall"><em>Ross Duffer:</em> Well, 's changed, hontly om season one to now. It was particularly shockg to jt how quickly season three was nsumed. People watched over that July 4th weekend, and really started lvg to right after that. Whereas, season one was much more about people fdg , and spreadg through word of mouth. So that lasted a uple months. It went om a much more extend nversatn to somethg that is much more prsed.</p><p class="paywall"><em>Matt Duffer:</em> But bee of the length of this new season, I thk we’ve got to give people a good two weeks.</p><p class="paywall"><em>Ross Duffer:</em> That's te. It'd be a lot to bge a weekend.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>It has been three years sce your last season of</strong> <em><strong>Stranger Thgs</strong></em><strong>. Your characters are gettg a ltle olr, your actors are growg up. How would you say this new season ag up wh the characters?</strong></p><p class="paywall"><em>Matt Duffer:</em> That's one of the thgs I like about the show, as much as I would've loved to eeze them time, when they were so cute season one. Whenever I look back, my jaw hs the floor over how ltle they were. But is sort of that Harry Potter thg that as they get olr, allows the show to anilly evolve. This season particular, our quote-unquote kids are not kids; they're teens. So felt very natural for to put them to a horror film. It's allowed to go to darker plac than we would've been able to go season one.</p></div></div></div></div><div data-ttid="RowWrapper" class="RowWrapper-UmqTg HEhan full-bleed-ad row-mid-ntent-ad"><div class="StickyMidContentAdWrapper-fSBzwl drzyIa ad-stickymidntent"><div class="AdWrapper-dQtivb fZrssQ ad ad--mid-ntent should-hold-space"><div class="ad__slot ad__slot--mid-ntent" data-no-id="v8i"></div></div></div></div><div class="GridWrapper-cAzTTK eRggVV grid grid-margs grid-ems-0 ArticlePageChunksGrid-hfxa bDFJoo"><div class="GridItem-buujkM kHPPIF grid--em"><div class="BodyWrapper-kufPGa dEQjuV body body__ntaer article__body" data-journey-hook="client-ntent" data-ttid="BodyWrapper"><div class="body__ner-ntaer"><figure class="AssetEmbedWrapper-eVDQiB byBkf asset-embed"><div class="AssetEmbedAssetContaer-eJxoAx dBHGoQ asset-embed__asset-ntaer"><span class="SpanWrapper-umhxW kGxnNB rponsive-asset AssetEmbedRponsiveAsset-cXBNxi eCxVQK asset-embed__rponsive-asset"><picture class="RponsiveImagePicture-cWuUZO dUOtEa AssetEmbedRponsiveAsset-cXBNxi eCxVQK asset-embed__rponsive-asset rponsive-image"><noscript><img alt="Image may nta Water Human Person and Outdoors" class="RponsiveImageContaer-eybHBd fptoWY rponsive-image__image" src=" srcSet=" 120w, 240w, 320w, 640w, 960w, 1280w, 1600w" siz="100vw"/></noscript></picture></span></div><div class="CaptnWrapper-jSZdqE kIXbGQ ptn AssetEmbedCaptn-fNQBPI fmQnYP asset-embed__ptn"><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ CaptnText-bHjzlu iUEiRd hBkROF iXWezO ptn__text"><strong>Nice To Eat You:</strong> Vea, the otherworldly predator huntg troubled kids <em>Stranger Thgs</em>, season 4.</span><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ CaptnCred-ejegDm iUEiRd hCJFDV fNaHcW ptn__cred">Courty of Netflix</span></div></figure><p class="paywall"><strong>Would be safe to reveal there's an otherworldly prence named Vea who liv The Upsi Down dimensn, but is preyg on teenagers our world? And that he attacks om wh their heads?</strong></p><p class="paywall"><em>Matt Duffer:</em> Yeah, that's fe. Listen: I always wanted to do a <em>Nightmare on Elm Street</em> movie, which was never gog to happen. It was like, ‘Okay, this is our opportuny. What do a Freddy Keger look like the <em>Stranger Thgs</em> universe, and how would work wh the kids?’ One of the most terrifyg thgs about Freddy Keger is he's actually not physilly there. He's your md.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Tell me more about makg this season more of a horror story than a fantasy adventure.</strong></p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-3 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall"><em>Matt Duffer:</em> That's been a lot of fun, bee as spired as we were by the Ambl films, like <em>The Gooni</em> and all that, Ross and I got to the edgier stuff high school. In particular, there was <em>A Nightmare on Elm Street</em>, there was <em>Hellraiser</em>, there was Stephen Kg. We jt followed this path and we disvered John Carpenter, we disvered <em>The Thg</em>, we watched <em>The Shg</em>…</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Those are all very different narrativ, but they share a mon thread—thgs actually don't work out okay. Not too many happy endgs.</strong></p><p class="paywall"><em>Matt Duffer:</em> They almost felt dangero bee felt like there was no safety . We didn't know what they were gog to show. When I popped <em>Hellraiser</em>, that tone was unrelentg and there was no sense of pe. It was a different form of pism. So we wanted to repture that this year, a ltle b.</p><figure class="AssetEmbedWrapper-eVDQiB byBkf asset-embed"><div class="AssetEmbedAssetContaer-eJxoAx dBHGoQ asset-embed__asset-ntaer"><span class="SpanWrapper-umhxW kGxnNB rponsive-asset AssetEmbedRponsiveAsset-cXBNxi eCxVQK asset-embed__rponsive-asset"><picture class="RponsiveImagePicture-cWuUZO dUOtEa AssetEmbedRponsiveAsset-cXBNxi eCxVQK asset-embed__rponsive-asset rponsive-image"><noscript><img alt="Image may nta Human Person Clothg Apparel Charlie Heaton Sleeve and Millie Bobby Brown" class="RponsiveImageContaer-eybHBd fptoWY rponsive-image__image" src=" srcSet=" 120w, 240w, 320w, 640w, 960w, 1280w, 1600w" siz="100vw"/></noscript></picture></span></div><div class="CaptnWrapper-jSZdqE kIXbGQ ptn AssetEmbedCaptn-fNQBPI fmQnYP asset-embed__ptn"><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ CaptnText-bHjzlu iUEiRd hBkROF iXWezO ptn__text"><strong>Friends 4 Ever:</strong> Eduardo Fran as Argyle, Charlie Heaton as Jonathan, Millie Bobby Brown as Eleven, Noah Schnapp as Will Byers, and Fn Wolfhard as Mike Wheeler <em>Stranger Thgs</em>, season 4.</span><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ CaptnCred-ejegDm iUEiRd hCJFDV fNaHcW ptn__cred">Courty of Netflix</span></div></figure></div></div></div></div><div data-ttid="RowWrapper" class="RowWrapper-UmqTg HEhan full-bleed-ad row-mid-ntent-ad"><div class="StickyMidContentAdWrapper-fSBzwl drzyIa ad-stickymidntent"><div class="AdWrapper-dQtivb fZrssQ ad ad--mid-ntent should-hold-space"><div class="ad__slot ad__slot--mid-ntent" data-no-id="wzumte"></div></div></div></div><div class="GridWrapper-cAzTTK eRggVV grid grid-margs grid-ems-0 ArticlePageChunksGrid-hfxa bDFJoo"><div class="GridItem-buujkM kHPPIF grid--em"><div class="BodyWrapper-kufPGa dEQjuV body body__ntaer article__body" data-journey-hook="client-ntent" data-ttid="BodyWrapper"><div class="body__ner-ntaer"><p class="paywall"><strong>In those adolcent years, there's so much anguish your own head. You are thkg the worst thgs about yourself, you're obssg. Is season four symbolic of that, given that your monster preys on those who are overwhelmed wh fears and regrets and mistak?</strong></p><p class="paywall"><em>Matt Duffer:</em> For sure, y. Ross and I—and I thk 's fair to say most of the wrers we were workg wh—none of had a particularly good high school experience. You're figurg out who you are, and 's always tumultuo. When we started talkg about high school, we started talkg about anxiety and prsn and all of the issu that, for , weren't prent middle school. Middle school was a magil time for , whereas high school was like nng ee a fort and then htg straight to a ncrete wall.</p><p class="paywall">A lot of what you're alg wh is ternal. I didn't have anyone to talk about wh, and wasn't until llege that I started to look back on high school and unrstand a ltle b more of what I had gone through.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Your tw brother jt looked at you like, "I was</strong> <em><strong>right there</strong></em><strong>."</strong></p><p class="paywall"><em>Matt Duffer:</em> <em>[Lghs.]</em> Ross and I need to do better munitg wh each other. No, but we did have each other, and then a lot of our pe me through makg movi. That's how we ma through. Anyway, we thought of Vea as someone who uld explo the fact that the teens are gog through a difficult time.</p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-4 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall"><em>Ross Duffer:</em> He’s like a shark. He's gog around the waters lookg for prey. The easier prey are the on kickg their legs [and stgglg]. He se that motn, and that mak them much more vulnerable to beg grabbed.</p><p class="paywall"><em>Matt Duffer:</em> Vea preys on the securi, and a lot of them aren't even real. I thk that's what a lot of people stggle wh. You're tellg yourself stori that aren't even a reflectn of realy, but you loop them, and at a certa pot be real. He's that voice your head that you n't put away. That's what Vea reprents.</p><figure class="AssetEmbedWrapper-eVDQiB byBkf asset-embed"><div class="AssetEmbedAssetContaer-eJxoAx dBHGoQ asset-embed__asset-ntaer"><span class="SpanWrapper-umhxW kGxnNB rponsive-asset AssetEmbedRponsiveAsset-cXBNxi eCxVQK asset-embed__rponsive-asset"><picture class="RponsiveImagePicture-cWuUZO dUOtEa AssetEmbedRponsiveAsset-cXBNxi eCxVQK asset-embed__rponsive-asset rponsive-image"><noscript><img alt="Image may nta Face Human Person Beard and Head" class="RponsiveImageContaer-eybHBd fptoWY rponsive-image__image" src=" srcSet=" 120w, 240w, 320w, 640w, 960w, 1280w, 1600w" siz="100vw"/></noscript></picture></span></div><div class="CaptnWrapper-jSZdqE kIXbGQ ptn AssetEmbedCaptn-fNQBPI fmQnYP asset-embed__ptn"><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ CaptnText-bHjzlu iUEiRd hBkROF iXWezO ptn__text"><strong>Can't Unsee:</strong> Robert Eglund as the tragic Victor Creel <em>Stranger Thgs</em>, season four.</span><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ CaptnCred-ejegDm iUEiRd hCJFDV fNaHcW ptn__cred">Courty of Netflix</span></div></figure></div></div></div></div><div data-ttid="RowWrapper" class="RowWrapper-UmqTg HEhan full-bleed-ad row-mid-ntent-ad"><div class="StickyMidContentAdWrapper-fSBzwl drzyIa ad-stickymidntent"><div class="AdWrapper-dQtivb fZrssQ ad ad--mid-ntent should-hold-space"><div class="ad__slot ad__slot--mid-ntent" data-no-id="ccssb9"></div></div></div></div><div class="GridWrapper-cAzTTK eRggVV grid grid-margs grid-ems-0 ArticlePageChunksGrid-hfxa bDFJoo"><div class="GridItem-buujkM kHPPIF grid--em"><div class="BodyWrapper-kufPGa dEQjuV body body__ntaer article__body" data-journey-hook="client-ntent" data-ttid="BodyWrapper"><div class="body__ner-ntaer"><p class="paywall"><strong>You not only have</strong> <em><strong>A Nightmare on Elm Street</strong></em> <strong>vib this season, but you also have Freddy Keger actor</strong> <strong>Robert Englund</strong> <strong> a surprise role. Can you tell me about brgg him to this world (or is that a spoiler)?</strong></p><p class="paywall"><em>Ross Duffer:</em> No, that's fe, we n talk about Robert. I wish I uld take cred for that or Matt uld take cred for . But we were jt lookg through dn tap, and he popped on screen and was jt brilliant. He's so tertwed wh that role of Freddy Keger, but at the end of the day, he's a great actor and he's a legend. </p><p class="paywall">The same thg happened wh <strong>Sean Ast</strong> for Bob [ season two]. That <a href=">was not an ial ia we had for that role</a>, but we were lookg at tap and he jt embodied the character a really tertg way. I'm exced for people to see Robert play someone that's not Freddy Keger. He's very emotnal and he do a tremendo job.</p><p class="paywall"><em>Matt Duffer:</em> It's ls about the nod and the wk. That's veerg to meta terrory. It's more hontly about Ross and I selfishly gettg a chance to work wh actors who we so admired growg up. The Keger voice? He'll jt do for you. Some of people I've met, they really don't want to talk about what they were famo for, say, the ‘80s. But oh no, Robert lov to do Freddy, and still sends shivers down my back.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>You two were profoundly fluenced by Stephen Kg.</strong></p><p class="paywall"><em>Matt Duffer:</em> Who?</p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-5 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall"><em><strong>[Lghs]</strong></em> <strong>Yeah, have you ever heard of him?</strong></p><p class="paywall"><em>Ross Duffer:</em> I don't know who you're talkg about.</p><p class="paywall"><em>Matt Duffer:</em> No, not faiar wh him.</p><figure class="AssetEmbedWrapper-eVDQiB byBkf asset-embed"><div class="AssetEmbedAssetContaer-eJxoAx dBHGoQ asset-embed__asset-ntaer"><span class="SpanWrapper-umhxW kGxnNB rponsive-asset AssetEmbedRponsiveAsset-cXBNxi eCxVQK asset-embed__rponsive-asset"><picture class="RponsiveImagePicture-cWuUZO dUOtEa AssetEmbedRponsiveAsset-cXBNxi eCxVQK asset-embed__rponsive-asset rponsive-image"><noscript><img alt="Image may nta Human Person Nature Weather Lightg Fog Cy Town Urban Buildg Metropolis Light and Flare" class="RponsiveImageContaer-eybHBd fptoWY rponsive-image__image" src=" srcSet=" 120w, 240w, 320w, 640w, 960w, 1280w, 1600w" siz="100vw"/></noscript></picture></span></div><div class="CaptnWrapper-jSZdqE kIXbGQ ptn AssetEmbedCaptn-fNQBPI fmQnYP asset-embed__ptn"><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ CaptnText-bHjzlu iUEiRd hBkROF iXWezO ptn__text"><strong>Unwele Home:</strong> The kids explore a ndown hoe that may be a gateway to the latt threat om The Upsi Down.</span><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ CaptnCred-ejegDm iUEiRd hCJFDV fNaHcW ptn__cred">Courty of Netflix</span></div></figure></div></div></div></div><div data-ttid="RowWrapper" class="RowWrapper-UmqTg HEhan full-bleed-ad row-mid-ntent-ad"><div class="StickyMidContentAdWrapper-fSBzwl drzyIa ad-stickymidntent"><div class="AdWrapper-dQtivb fZrssQ ad ad--mid-ntent should-hold-space"><div class="ad__slot ad__slot--mid-ntent" data-no-id="j0w9rl"></div></div></div></div><div class="GridWrapper-cAzTTK eRggVV grid grid-margs grid-ems-0 ArticlePageChunksGrid-hfxa bDFJoo"><div class="GridItem-buujkM kHPPIF grid--em"><div class="BodyWrapper-kufPGa dEQjuV body body__ntaer article__body" data-journey-hook="client-ntent" data-ttid="BodyWrapper"><div class="body__ner-ntaer"><p class="paywall"><strong>There’s a creepy hoe the new episos that lls to md the one that leads to Pennywise’s lair </strong> <em><strong>It</strong></em><strong>. Can you tell me about that book’s fluence on season four?</strong></p><p class="paywall"><em>Matt Duffer:</em> It was a <em>big</em> fluence on the show om the start. <em>It</em> has always been there—the ia of kids a small town battlg a supernatural enty om another dimensn. The biggt takeaway om <em>It</em> for me is: character first, or nothg else that happens is gog to matter. When Pennywise emerg, you're not gog to be as ightened as you are for the kids. The reason you're shakg is bee you see yourself those kids. It felt like I was there. He nvced me I was there, and then he brought this clown to .</p><p class="paywall"><em>Ross Duffer:</em> And the fact that Pennywise is sentient and he n talk to you is somethg we did want to do this season wh Vea. It's somethg we've never had before. Last season, we got our big monster movie, <em>Jurassic Park</em>, summer blockbter out of the way. Now was like, okay, what if we take a much more psychologil turn?</p><p class="paywall"><em>Matt Duffer:</em> Yeah, we had a monster that was as big as a mall. What do you do, jt make as big as a skyscraper? That's the wrong way to go. By slg down, actually feels a lot bigger—a lot srier.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>What’s next for you? I know you're planng a fifth season beyond this, and then that's gog to be .</strong></p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-6 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall"><em>Ross Duffer:</em> Yeah.</p><p class="paywall"><em>Matt Duffer:</em> Yeah, exactly.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Speakg of Stephen Kg, I unrstand you are workg on the adaptatn of</strong> <em><strong>The Talisman</strong></em><strong>, a book he -wrote wh Peter Strb. Is that still happeng? What's the stat?</strong></p><p class="paywall"><em>Ross Duffer:</em> We're startg to branch out a ltle b to producg stuff that we're not necsarily shownng, jt bee there are properti or wrers or directors that we really admire and want to work wh. <em>The Talisman</em> beg one example. That's a big property that they've been tryg to get gog for 30 years, so if we n help get that gog, that would be credible. We've been so entrenched <em>Stranger Thgs</em> world, 's nice to start to step out.</p><p class="paywall"><em>Matt Duffer:</em> I thk 's one of the last ‘80s Stephen Kg books that has not been adapted any form. And the only reason is bee <strong>Steven Spielberg</strong> grabbed onto the rights. He grabbed the rights and he's held onto for 30 years. You look at that book, and 's 800-pl pag. It's too big for a movie. At the time, TV was not equipped to do what you need to do wh that book. It's huge, 's got tons of spectacle, 's massive. Now, when you n basilly do the eight-hour movi, fally I thk the time is right to make <em>The Talisman</em>. I'm optimistic 's gog to happen bee the hurdl that stood the way are now gone.</p><div class="GenericCalloutWrapper-tojWn cpANDM llout--has-top-borr" data-ttid="GenericCallout"><figure class="AssetEmbedWrapper-eVDQiB byBkf asset-embed"><div class="AssetEmbedAssetContaer-eJxoAx dBHGoQ asset-embed__asset-ntaer"><span class="SpanWrapper-umhxW kGxnNB rponsive-asset AssetEmbedRponsiveAsset-cXBNxi eCxVQK asset-embed__rponsive-asset"><picture class="RponsiveImagePicture-cWuUZO dUOtEa AssetEmbedRponsiveAsset-cXBNxi eCxVQK asset-embed__rponsive-asset rponsive-image"><noscript><img alt="Image may nta Novel Book Advertisement Poster and Text" class="RponsiveImageContaer-eybHBd fptoWY rponsive-image__image" src=" srcSet=" 120w, 240w, 320w, 640w, 960w, 1280w, 1600w" siz="100vw"/></noscript></picture></span></div></figure></div><p class="paywall"><strong>I’ve</strong> <a href="><strong>terviewed both Kg and Spielberg</strong></a> <strong>about this, and you’re right. Spielberg didn’t optn —he bought outright and owns the rights perpetuy.</strong></p></div></div></div></div><div data-ttid="RowWrapper" class="RowWrapper-UmqTg HEhan full-bleed-ad row-mid-ntent-ad"><div class="StickyMidContentAdWrapper-fSBzwl drzyIa ad-stickymidntent"><div class="AdWrapper-dQtivb fZrssQ ad ad--mid-ntent should-hold-space"><div class="ad__slot ad__slot--mid-ntent" data-no-id="xtduik"></div></div></div></div><div class="GridWrapper-cAzTTK eRggVV grid grid-margs grid-ems-0 ArticlePageChunksGrid-hfxa bDFJoo"><div class="GridItem-buujkM kHPPIF grid--em"><div class="BodyWrapper-kufPGa dEQjuV body body__ntaer article__body" data-journey-hook="client-ntent" data-ttid="BodyWrapper"><div class="body__ner-ntaer"><p class="paywall"><strong>Ross Duffer:</strong> Exactly.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Matt Duffer:</strong> That's why no one's ma . The optn has never lapsed. Our iend <a href="><strong>Curtis Gwn</strong></a> is headg that show, and he's one of the wrers om <em>Stranger Thgs</em>. He lled and he was like, "Would you be terted beg volved any way?" And we're like, "Are you kiddg?" It's Stephen Kg and Steven Spielberg, and 's about a boy who cross to another dimensn not to save his iend, but save his mother. There's so many parallels to <em>Stranger Thgs</em>. It's very different tonally than <em>Stranger Thgs</em>, so 's not gog to feel like <em>Stranger Thgs: Part Two</em>, but…</p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-7 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall"><em>Ross Duffer:</em> … It do share some DNA.</p><p class="paywall"><em>Matt Duffer:</em> Yeah, fely shar a lot. Origally, that's how we pched <em>Stranger Thgs</em>, like was an undisvered Stephen Kg book that Spielberg directed. That was the pch, so the fact that [<em>The Talisman</em>] is a Stephen Kg-Spielberg llaboratn, to be any ty part is awome.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>So Curtis Gwn is wrg , but you're producg . Have you had any nversatns wh eher of the Stev about ?</strong></p><p class="paywall"><em>Ross Duffer:</em> Not wh Stephen Kg. Wh Spielberg, we have, yeah.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>What did he tell you about why he was so passnate about ?</strong></p><p class="paywall"><em>Ross Duffer:</em> You n jt see the joy he has for this story. It really down to the relatnship wh the kid and his mom. That's the emotnal through-le of that story, and that's what we're tryg to pture. But of urse, there's an credible werewolf character, which I thk is at least a top-10 Stephen Kg character. Wolf is right up there. I thk we're all exced about brgg that to life.</p><p class="paywall"><em>Matt Duffer:</em> There's a 100-page sectn of the book that is like <em>Shawshank Remptn</em> wh teenagers and a werewolf, and I'm jt like...</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Oh yeah, that crazy relig orphanage. Sunlight Home. It's credible.</strong></p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-8 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall"><em>Matt Duffer:</em> If this is executed as well as the wrg serv, that's a slam dunk. Anyway, I'm exced about . I know 's probably pretty far off. To me, jt to get to the part where we're stg Wolf, that's the goal. That's the make or break , the stg of Wolf. You fd the right actor for that role…</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Kg and Strb revised Jack Sawyer, the ma character </strong> <em><strong>The Talisman</strong></em><strong>, as an adult 2001’s</strong> <em><strong>Black Hoe</strong></em><strong>. So this is a qutn you may be loath to answer, but: is there any part of you that thks you’d like to revis your kids, the</strong> <em><strong>Stranger Thgs</strong></em> <strong>characters, sometime way off the future when they're grown-ups?</strong></p><p class="paywall"><em>Matt Duffer:</em> Well, I like that. I thk there's potential there. I thk you jt have to be dog for the right reason. That's why, right now, there's no other <em>Stranger Thgs</em> properti—jt the <em>Stranger Thgs</em> show. We jt don't want to be dog anythg for the wrong reason, and we don't want to be dog more seasons than there should be. It feels like five and out, and then we wa a while. And who knows what's gog to happen wh our reer, what terts are gog to pull .</p></div></div></div></div><div data-ttid="RowWrapper" class="RowWrapper-UmqTg HEhan full-bleed-ad row-mid-ntent-ad"><div class="StickyMidContentAdWrapper-fSBzwl drzyIa ad-stickymidntent"><div class="AdWrapper-dQtivb fZrssQ ad ad--mid-ntent should-hold-space"><div class="ad__slot ad__slot--mid-ntent" data-no-id="p5i8sd"></div></div></div></div><div class="GridWrapper-cAzTTK eRggVV grid grid-margs grid-ems-0 ArticlePageChunksGrid-hfxa bDFJoo"><div class="GridItem-buujkM kHPPIF grid--em"><div class="BodyWrapper-kufPGa dEQjuV body body__ntaer article__body" data-journey-hook="client-ntent" data-ttid="BodyWrapper"><div class="body__ner-ntaer"><p class="paywall">If we wanted to ntue… we'd have some of the kids as adults wh their own kids. I like that ia. We have bee so close to the st, and 's unual the sense that so many of them started out as kids. I always say we're ls like dads to them and more like olr brothers, but is like fay. I thk we're gog to miss each other a lot.</p><p class="paywall">I thk at a certa pot, would feel really good to work together aga, whether 's on somethg else or another <em>Stranger Thgs</em>. But I thk right now, for my own sany, I have to jt be like: <em>one</em> more season of <em>Stranger Thgs,</em> and I'm gog to be <em>Stranger Thgs</em>’d out for a while. You jt have to wa until you feel that pull of: God, I <em>have</em> to do this.</p><p class="paywall"><em>Ross Duffer:</em> The goal, hontly, wh five is to make feel like a really satisfyg and hopefully, to the journey of the characters. That's really the drive right now. But like Matt's sayg, anythg's possible.</p><p class="paywall">Prr to sellg <em>Stranger Thgs</em> to Netflix, we pched on <em>Gooni II</em>, and was the same [ncept]. It was, let's have the olr generatn, the generatn om the origal movie, now have kids and 's like the dual adventur. I don't thk we ever fully cracked . I thk that the trick is to not k and to e back and do for the right reasons. That's the goal. But who knows? Like Matt said, I thk we're gog to miss them. </p><p class="paywall">Even now, jt talkg about wrg the characters for one more time next season, gets all choked up and emotnal. We have their voic our head, and I know the actors do. How n I not wre Dt aga, or Steve? It's sad. Maybe we'll feel that pull. But the goal right now is, let's stick that landg and tell a satisfyg endg to this story.</p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-9 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall"><strong>Is that time-jump ncept you had md still viable, or has that story been ed other ways?</strong></p><p class="paywall"><em>Ross Duffer:</em> It hontly wasn't an ia. It was jt more like, "Oh, we uld do a time jump ..." Then Netflix go, "Well, n you ntue this story wh <em>the</em> kids?" And we said, "Sure." It wasn't really until season two got gog that we went and started to build out this whole world.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Wag a while to revis the characters will give you guys a chance to reflect on adulthood. What were the thgs that hnted our 30s?</strong></p><p class="paywall"><em>Ross Duffer:</em> Matt's a new father now. I'm sure we're gog to learn a lot of lsons along the way.</p><p class="paywall"><em>Matt Duffer:</em> The problem wh this terview is Netflix will pull this out 20 years or whatever and say, "See …? You guys <em>said</em> you want to do this, right?"</p><p class="paywall"><em>Ross Duffer:</em> Exactly.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>You are not mted. This is not bdg.</strong></p><p class="paywall"><em>Matt Duffer:</em> All right… “I said ‘maybe!’ And that was 20 years ago! 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media="(max-width: 767px)" srcSet="" siz="100vw"/><source media="(m-width: 768px)" srcSet="" siz="100vw"/><img alt="Insi Disney’s Unlikelit Prcs Story" class="RponsiveImageContaer-eybHBd fptoWY rponsive-image__image" src="></noscript></picture></div></div></span></a></div><div class="SummaryItemContent-eiDYMl clSLtF summary-em__ntent"><div class="RubricWrapper-dKmCNX hXRWeY bric bric--disvery SummaryItemRubric-dguGKN lapGFj summary-em__bric"><span class="RubricName-fVtemz cLxcNi">Award Season</span></div><a class="SummaryItemHedLk-civM cxlTHI summary-em-trackg__hed-lk summary-em__hed-lk" data-ponent-type="recirc-river" data-recirc-id="em-hed-1" data-recirc-pattern="summary-em" href=" target="_self"><div data-ttid="ClampWrapper" class="ClampWrapper-kZxfkB hTTNGO clamp SummaryItemHedBase-hiFYpQ khUTXM summary-em__hed"><div class="ClampContent-hilPkr jVhSBH"><div class="SummaryItemHedTag-TWblf gxaOcP" data-ttid="SummaryItemHed">Insi Disney’s Unlikelit Prcs Story </div></div></div></a><div class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ SummaryItemDek-CRfsi iUEiRd ijSOpT jDyfzW summary-em__k">On this week’s <em>Ltle Gold Men</em> podst, <em>Prey</em> director Dan Trachtenberg reflects on his horror-adventure movie’s unlikely journey om <em>Predator</em> spoff to major Emmy ntenr</div><div class="SummaryItemByleWrapper-boCfbi hYsZi summary-em__byle-date-in"><div class="SummaryItemBaseByle-fFbXkY gRtaxp summary-em__byle"><div class="summary-em__byle__ntent"><div data-ttid="BylWrapper" class="BylWrapper-KIudk irTIfE byl"><p class="ByleWrapper-jWHrLH iNSiTG byle byl__byle" data-ttid="ByleWrapper" emProp="thor" emType="><span emProp="name" class="ByleNamWrapper-jbHncj fuDQVo"><span data-ttid="ByleName" class="ByleName-kwmrLn cYaBaU byle__name"><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ BylePreamble-iJolpQ iUEiRd bIbWCO gnILss byle__preamble">By </span>Katey Rich</span></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="SummaryItemWrapper-iwvBff fKazuH summary-em summary-em--has-le summary-em--ARTICLE summary-em--no-in summary-em--text-align-left summary-em--layout-placement-text-below summary-em--layout-posn-image-left summary-em--layout-proportns-50-50 summary-em--si-by-si-align-center summary-em--si-by-si-image-right-mobile-false summary-em--standard SummaryCollectnGridSummaryItem-WColm cNQsbv" role="button" tabx="0"><div class="SummaryItemAssetContaer-gwhFFH VOyg summary-em__asset-ntaer"><a class="SummaryItemImageLk-dshqxb cPpCwE summary-em__image-lk summary-em-trackg__image-lk" href=" aria-hidn="te" tabx="-1" data-ponent-type="recirc-river" data-recirc-id="em-image-2" data-recirc-pattern="summary-em" target="_self"><span class="SpanWrapper-umhxW kGxnNB rponsive-asset SummaryItemRponsiveAsset-hjGIGg bDvSkO summary-em__image"><div data-tt="aspect-rat-ntaer" class="AspectRatContaer-bJHpJz hlQxkn"><div class="aspect-rat--overlay-ntaer"><picture class="RponsiveImagePicture-cWuUZO dUOtEa SummaryItemRponsiveAsset-hjGIGg bDvSkO summary-em__image rponsive-image"><noscript><source media="(max-width: 767px)" srcSet="" siz="100vw"/><source media="(m-width: 768px)" srcSet="" siz="100vw"/><img alt="And Jt Like That: Michael Patrick Kg Knows When the Audience Turned on Che Diaz" class="RponsiveImageContaer-eybHBd fptoWY rponsive-image__image" src="></noscript></picture></div></div></span></a></div><div class="SummaryItemContent-eiDYMl clSLtF summary-em__ntent"><div class="RubricWrapper-dKmCNX hXRWeY bric bric--disvery SummaryItemRubric-dguGKN lapGFj summary-em__bric"><span class="RubricName-fVtemz cLxcNi">Televisn</span></div><a class="SummaryItemHedLk-civM cxlTHI summary-em-trackg__hed-lk summary-em__hed-lk" data-ponent-type="recirc-river" data-recirc-id="em-hed-2" data-recirc-pattern="summary-em" href=" target="_self"><div data-ttid="ClampWrapper" class="ClampWrapper-kZxfkB hTTNGO clamp SummaryItemHedBase-hiFYpQ khUTXM summary-em__hed"><div class="ClampContent-hilPkr jVhSBH"><div class="SummaryItemHedTag-TWblf gxaOcP" data-ttid="SummaryItemHed"><em>And Jt Like That</em>: Michael Patrick Kg Knows When the Audience Turned on Che Diaz</div></div></div></a><div class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ SummaryItemDek-CRfsi iUEiRd ijSOpT jDyfzW summary-em__k">On a special bon episo of the <em>Still Watchg</em> podst, <em>And Jt Like That</em> wrer, director, and executive producer Michael Patrick Kg drops by to chat about directg the season fale, the return of Samantha Jon, the fan rponse to Che Diaz, and what might be store for season three.</div><div class="SummaryItemByleWrapper-boCfbi hYsZi summary-em__byle-date-in"><div class="SummaryItemBaseByle-fFbXkY gRtaxp summary-em__byle"><div class="summary-em__byle__ntent"><div data-ttid="BylWrapper" class="BylWrapper-KIudk irTIfE byl"><p class="ByleWrapper-jWHrLH iNSiTG byle byl__byle" data-ttid="ByleWrapper" emProp="thor" emType="><span emProp="name" class="ByleNamWrapper-jbHncj fuDQVo"><span data-ttid="ByleName" class="ByleName-kwmrLn cYaBaU byle__name"><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ BylePreamble-iJolpQ iUEiRd bIbWCO gnILss byle__preamble">By </span>Chris Murphy</span></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="SummaryItemWrapper-iwvBff fKazuH summary-em summary-em--has-le summary-em--ARTICLE summary-em--no-in summary-em--text-align-left summary-em--layout-placement-text-below summary-em--layout-posn-image-left summary-em--layout-proportns-50-50 summary-em--si-by-si-align-center summary-em--si-by-si-image-right-mobile-false summary-em--standard SummaryCollectnGridSummaryItem-WColm cNQsbv" role="button" tabx="0"><div class="SummaryItemAssetContaer-gwhFFH VOyg summary-em__asset-ntaer"><a class="SummaryItemImageLk-dshqxb cPpCwE summary-em__image-lk summary-em-trackg__image-lk" href=" aria-hidn="te" tabx="-1" data-ponent-type="recirc-river" data-recirc-id="em-image-3" data-recirc-pattern="summary-em" target="_self"><span class="SpanWrapper-umhxW kGxnNB rponsive-asset SummaryItemRponsiveAsset-hjGIGg bDvSkO summary-em__image"><div data-tt="aspect-rat-ntaer" class="AspectRatContaer-bJHpJz hlQxkn"><div class="aspect-rat--overlay-ntaer"><picture class="RponsiveImagePicture-cWuUZO dUOtEa SummaryItemRponsiveAsset-hjGIGg bDvSkO summary-em__image rponsive-image"><noscript><source media="(max-width: 767px)" srcSet="" siz="100vw"/><source media="(m-width: 768px)" srcSet="" siz="100vw"/><img alt="Emma Seligman Wants to Show “Really, Really Horny Female Characters”" class="RponsiveImageContaer-eybHBd fptoWY rponsive-image__image" src="></noscript></picture></div></div></span></a></div><div class="SummaryItemContent-eiDYMl clSLtF summary-em__ntent"><div class="RubricWrapper-dKmCNX hXRWeY bric bric--disvery SummaryItemRubric-dguGKN lapGFj summary-em__bric"><span class="RubricName-fVtemz cLxcNi">Movi</span></div><a class="SummaryItemHedLk-civM cxlTHI summary-em-trackg__hed-lk summary-em__hed-lk" data-ponent-type="recirc-river" data-recirc-id="em-hed-3" data-recirc-pattern="summary-em" href=" target="_self"><div data-ttid="ClampWrapper" class="ClampWrapper-kZxfkB hTTNGO clamp SummaryItemHedBase-hiFYpQ khUTXM summary-em__hed"><div class="ClampContent-hilPkr jVhSBH"><div class="SummaryItemHedTag-TWblf gxaOcP" data-ttid="SummaryItemHed">Emma Seligman Wants to Show “Really, Really Horny Female Characters”</div></div></div></a><div class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ SummaryItemDek-CRfsi iUEiRd ijSOpT jDyfzW summary-em__k">The <em>Shiva Baby</em> tr on her wacky queer teen fight club movie, <em>Bottoms.</em></div><div class="SummaryItemByleWrapper-boCfbi hYsZi summary-em__byle-date-in"><div class="SummaryItemBaseByle-fFbXkY gRtaxp summary-em__byle"><div class="summary-em__byle__ntent"><div data-ttid="BylWrapper" class="BylWrapper-KIudk irTIfE byl"><p class="ByleWrapper-jWHrLH iNSiTG byle byl__byle" data-ttid="ByleWrapper" emProp="thor" emType="><span emProp="name" class="ByleNamWrapper-jbHncj fuDQVo"><span data-ttid="ByleName" class="ByleName-kwmrLn cYaBaU byle__name"><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ BylePreamble-iJolpQ iUEiRd bIbWCO gnILss byle__preamble">By </span>Joy Prs</span></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="AdWrapper-dQtivb fZrssQ SummaryCollectnGridSummaryItem-WColm cNQsbv ad ad--read-more"><div class="ad__slot ad__slot--read-more" data-no-id="7tjm"></div></div><div class="SummaryItemWrapper-iwvBff fKazuH summary-em summary-em--has-le summary-em--ARTICLE summary-em--no-in summary-em--text-align-left summary-em--layout-placement-text-below summary-em--layout-posn-image-left summary-em--layout-proportns-50-50 summary-em--si-by-si-align-center summary-em--si-by-si-image-right-mobile-false summary-em--standard SummaryCollectnGridSummaryItem-WColm cNQsbv" role="button" tabx="0"><div class="SummaryItemAssetContaer-gwhFFH VOyg summary-em__asset-ntaer"><a class="SummaryItemImageLk-dshqxb cPpCwE summary-em__image-lk summary-em-trackg__image-lk" href=" aria-hidn="te" tabx="-1" data-ponent-type="recirc-river" data-recirc-id="em-image-4" data-recirc-pattern="summary-em" target="_self"><span class="SpanWrapper-umhxW kGxnNB rponsive-asset SummaryItemRponsiveAsset-hjGIGg bDvSkO summary-em__image"><div data-tt="aspect-rat-ntaer" class="AspectRatContaer-bJHpJz hlQxkn"><div class="aspect-rat--overlay-ntaer"><picture class="RponsiveImagePicture-cWuUZO dUOtEa SummaryItemRponsiveAsset-hjGIGg bDvSkO summary-em__image rponsive-image"><noscript><source media="(max-width: 767px)" srcSet="" siz="100vw"/><source media="(m-width: 768px)" srcSet="" siz="100vw"/><img alt="Ethan and Maya Hawke and Lra Lney on the Amb, Lyril Fay Project of Wildt" class="RponsiveImageContaer-eybHBd fptoWY rponsive-image__image" src="></noscript></picture></div></div></span></a></div><div class="SummaryItemContent-eiDYMl clSLtF summary-em__ntent"><div class="RubricWrapper-dKmCNX hXRWeY bric bric--disvery SummaryItemRubric-dguGKN lapGFj summary-em__bric"><span class="RubricName-fVtemz cLxcNi">Award Season</span></div><a class="SummaryItemHedLk-civM cxlTHI summary-em-trackg__hed-lk summary-em__hed-lk" data-ponent-type="recirc-river" data-recirc-id="em-hed-4" data-recirc-pattern="summary-em" href=" target="_self"><div data-ttid="ClampWrapper" class="ClampWrapper-kZxfkB hTTNGO clamp SummaryItemHedBase-hiFYpQ khUTXM summary-em__hed"><div class="ClampContent-hilPkr jVhSBH"><div class="SummaryItemHedTag-TWblf gxaOcP" data-ttid="SummaryItemHed">Ethan and Maya Hawke and Lra Lney on the Amb, Lyril Fay Project of <em>Wildt</em> </div></div></div></a><div class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ SummaryItemDek-CRfsi iUEiRd ijSOpT jDyfzW summary-em__k">Ethan Hawke and his dghter, Maya Hawke, cid to make a movie about Flannery O’Connor together. Then they brought an old iend, Lra Lney. The tr reflect on their timate faial and artistic bond. </div><div class="SummaryItemByleWrapper-boCfbi hYsZi summary-em__byle-date-in"><div class="SummaryItemBaseByle-fFbXkY gRtaxp summary-em__byle"><div class="summary-em__byle__ntent"><div data-ttid="BylWrapper" class="BylWrapper-KIudk irTIfE byl"><p class="ByleWrapper-jWHrLH iNSiTG byle byl__byle" data-ttid="ByleWrapper" emProp="thor" emType="><span emProp="name" class="ByleNamWrapper-jbHncj fuDQVo"><span data-ttid="ByleName" class="ByleName-kwmrLn cYaBaU byle__name"><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ BylePreamble-iJolpQ iUEiRd bIbWCO gnILss byle__preamble">By </span>David Canfield</span></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="SummaryItemWrapper-iwvBff fKazuH summary-em summary-em--has-le summary-em--ARTICLE summary-em--no-in summary-em--text-align-left summary-em--layout-placement-text-below summary-em--layout-posn-image-left summary-em--layout-proportns-50-50 summary-em--si-by-si-align-center summary-em--si-by-si-image-right-mobile-false summary-em--standard SummaryCollectnGridSummaryItem-WColm cNQsbv" role="button" tabx="0"><div class="SummaryItemAssetContaer-gwhFFH VOyg summary-em__asset-ntaer"><a class="SummaryItemImageLk-dshqxb cPpCwE summary-em__image-lk summary-em-trackg__image-lk" href=" aria-hidn="te" tabx="-1" data-ponent-type="recirc-river" data-recirc-id="em-image-5" data-recirc-pattern="summary-em" target="_self"><span class="SpanWrapper-umhxW kGxnNB rponsive-asset SummaryItemRponsiveAsset-hjGIGg bDvSkO summary-em__image"><div data-tt="aspect-rat-ntaer" class="AspectRatContaer-bJHpJz hlQxkn"><div class="aspect-rat--overlay-ntaer"><picture class="RponsiveImagePicture-cWuUZO dUOtEa SummaryItemRponsiveAsset-hjGIGg bDvSkO summary-em__image rponsive-image"><noscript><source media="(max-width: 767px)" srcSet="" siz="100vw"/><source media="(m-width: 768px)" srcSet="" siz="100vw"/><img alt="The O.C.’s Creators Are Gog Right Back Where They Started From" class="RponsiveImageContaer-eybHBd fptoWY rponsive-image__image" src="></noscript></picture></div></div></span></a></div><div class="SummaryItemContent-eiDYMl clSLtF summary-em__ntent"><div class="RubricWrapper-dKmCNX hXRWeY bric bric--disvery SummaryItemRubric-dguGKN lapGFj summary-em__bric"><span class="RubricName-fVtemz cLxcNi">Televisn</span></div><a class="SummaryItemHedLk-civM cxlTHI summary-em-trackg__hed-lk summary-em__hed-lk" data-ponent-type="recirc-river" data-recirc-id="em-hed-5" data-recirc-pattern="summary-em" href=" target="_self"><div data-ttid="ClampWrapper" class="ClampWrapper-kZxfkB hTTNGO clamp SummaryItemHedBase-hiFYpQ khUTXM summary-em__hed"><div class="ClampContent-hilPkr jVhSBH"><div class="SummaryItemHedTag-TWblf gxaOcP" data-ttid="SummaryItemHed"><em>The O.C.</em>’s Creators Are Gog Right Back Where They Started From</div></div></div></a><div class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ SummaryItemDek-CRfsi iUEiRd ijSOpT jDyfzW summary-em__k">Josh Schwartz and Stephanie Savage, creator and executive producer of <em>The O.C.,</em> exclively discs their new book, <em>Wele to the O.C.,</em> why they regret killg Marissa, and the problematic si of Seth Cohen.</div><div class="SummaryItemByleWrapper-boCfbi hYsZi summary-em__byle-date-in"><div class="SummaryItemBaseByle-fFbXkY gRtaxp summary-em__byle"><div class="summary-em__byle__ntent"><div data-ttid="BylWrapper" class="BylWrapper-KIudk irTIfE byl"><p class="ByleWrapper-jWHrLH iNSiTG byle byl__byle" data-ttid="ByleWrapper" emProp="thor" emType="><span emProp="name" class="ByleNamWrapper-jbHncj fuDQVo"><span data-ttid="ByleName" class="ByleName-kwmrLn cYaBaU byle__name"><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ BylePreamble-iJolpQ iUEiRd bIbWCO gnILss byle__preamble">By </span>Ilana Kaplan</span></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="SummaryItemWrapper-iwvBff fKazuH summary-em summary-em--has-le summary-em--ARTICLE summary-em--no-in summary-em--text-align-left summary-em--layout-placement-text-below summary-em--layout-posn-image-left summary-em--layout-proportns-50-50 summary-em--si-by-si-align-center summary-em--si-by-si-image-right-mobile-false summary-em--standard SummaryCollectnGridSummaryItem-WColm cNQsbv" role="button" tabx="0"><div class="SummaryItemAssetContaer-gwhFFH VOyg summary-em__asset-ntaer"><a class="SummaryItemImageLk-dshqxb cPpCwE summary-em__image-lk summary-em-trackg__image-lk" href=" aria-hidn="te" tabx="-1" data-ponent-type="recirc-river" data-recirc-id="em-image-6" data-recirc-pattern="summary-em" target="_self"><span class="SpanWrapper-umhxW kGxnNB rponsive-asset SummaryItemRponsiveAsset-hjGIGg bDvSkO summary-em__image"><div data-tt="aspect-rat-ntaer" class="AspectRatContaer-bJHpJz hlQxkn"><div class="aspect-rat--overlay-ntaer"><picture class="RponsiveImagePicture-cWuUZO dUOtEa SummaryItemRponsiveAsset-hjGIGg bDvSkO summary-em__image rponsive-image"><noscript><source media="(max-width: 767px)" srcSet="" siz="100vw"/><source media="(m-width: 768px)" srcSet="" siz="100vw"/><img alt="Noah Schnapp Says He’d Still Be Closeted If Not for Stranger Thgs" class="RponsiveImageContaer-eybHBd fptoWY rponsive-image__image" src="></noscript></picture></div></div></span></a></div><div class="SummaryItemContent-eiDYMl clSLtF summary-em__ntent"><div class="RubricWrapper-dKmCNX hXRWeY bric bric--disvery SummaryItemRubric-dguGKN lapGFj summary-em__bric"><span class="RubricName-fVtemz cLxcNi">Televisn</span></div><a class="SummaryItemHedLk-civM cxlTHI summary-em-trackg__hed-lk summary-em__hed-lk" data-ponent-type="recirc-river" data-recirc-id="em-hed-6" data-recirc-pattern="summary-em" href=" target="_self"><div data-ttid="ClampWrapper" class="ClampWrapper-kZxfkB hTTNGO clamp SummaryItemHedBase-hiFYpQ khUTXM summary-em__hed"><div class="ClampContent-hilPkr jVhSBH"><div class="SummaryItemHedTag-TWblf gxaOcP" data-ttid="SummaryItemHed"> Noah Schnapp Says He’d Still Be Closeted If Not for <em>Stranger Thgs</em></div></div></div></a><div class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ SummaryItemDek-CRfsi iUEiRd ijSOpT jDyfzW summary-em__k">In a <em>Variety</em> ver story, the <em>Stranger Thgs</em> star says that he would be “ a pletely different place” had he not played closeted teenager Will Byers on the h Netflix seri.</div><div class="SummaryItemByleWrapper-boCfbi hYsZi summary-em__byle-date-in"><div class="SummaryItemBaseByle-fFbXkY gRtaxp summary-em__byle"><div class="summary-em__byle__ntent"><div data-ttid="BylWrapper" class="BylWrapper-KIudk irTIfE byl"><p class="ByleWrapper-jWHrLH iNSiTG byle byl__byle" data-ttid="ByleWrapper" emProp="thor" emType="><span emProp="name" class="ByleNamWrapper-jbHncj fuDQVo"><span data-ttid="ByleName" class="ByleName-kwmrLn cYaBaU byle__name"><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ BylePreamble-iJolpQ iUEiRd bIbWCO gnILss byle__preamble">By </span>Chris Murphy</span></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div 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class="SummaryItemHedTag-TWblf gxaOcP" data-ttid="SummaryItemHed"><em>Andor:</em> Insi the Makg of a Perfect <em>Star Wars</em> Episo</div></div></div></a><div class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ SummaryItemDek-CRfsi iUEiRd ijSOpT jDyfzW summary-em__k">Tony Gilroy walks through the secrets of “Rix Road,” the fale that helped earn the show many of s eight Emmy nomatns.</div><div class="SummaryItemByleWrapper-boCfbi hYsZi summary-em__byle-date-in"><div class="SummaryItemBaseByle-fFbXkY gRtaxp summary-em__byle"><div class="summary-em__byle__ntent"><div data-ttid="BylWrapper" class="BylWrapper-KIudk irTIfE byl"><p class="ByleWrapper-jWHrLH iNSiTG byle byl__byle" data-ttid="ByleWrapper" emProp="thor" emType="><span emProp="name" class="ByleNamWrapper-jbHncj fuDQVo"><span data-ttid="ByleName" class="ByleName-kwmrLn cYaBaU byle__name"><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ BylePreamble-iJolpQ iUEiRd bIbWCO gnILss byle__preamble">By </span>Anthony 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khUTXM summary-em__hed"><div class="ClampContent-hilPkr jVhSBH"><div class="SummaryItemHedTag-TWblf gxaOcP" data-ttid="SummaryItemHed">Andrea Mart Has Been Wag for Her Big <em>Only Murrs</em> Moment</div></div></div></a><div class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ SummaryItemDek-CRfsi iUEiRd ijSOpT jDyfzW summary-em__k">Seri creator John Hoffman told Mart that the part would be small at first, “but that would grow,” says the actor. “He was hont: It was small, and <em>did</em> grow.”</div><div class="SummaryItemByleWrapper-boCfbi hYsZi summary-em__byle-date-in"><div class="SummaryItemBaseByle-fFbXkY gRtaxp summary-em__byle"><div class="summary-em__byle__ntent"><div data-ttid="BylWrapper" class="BylWrapper-KIudk irTIfE byl"><p class="ByleWrapper-jWHrLH iNSiTG byle byl__byle" data-ttid="ByleWrapper" emProp="thor" emType="><span emProp="name" class="ByleNamWrapper-jbHncj fuDQVo"><span data-ttid="ByleName" class="ByleName-kwmrLn cYaBaU byle__name"><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ BylePreamble-iJolpQ iUEiRd bIbWCO gnILss byle__preamble">By </span>Donald Liebenson</span></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="SummaryItemWrapper-iwvBff fKazuH summary-em summary-em--has-le summary-em--ARTICLE summary-em--no-in summary-em--text-align-left summary-em--layout-placement-text-below summary-em--layout-posn-image-left summary-em--layout-proportns-50-50 summary-em--si-by-si-align-center summary-em--si-by-si-image-right-mobile-false summary-em--standard SummaryCollectnGridSummaryItem-WColm cNQsbv" role="button" tabx="0"><div class="SummaryItemAssetContaer-gwhFFH VOyg summary-em__asset-ntaer"><a class="SummaryItemImageLk-dshqxb cPpCwE summary-em__image-lk summary-em-trackg__image-lk" href=" aria-hidn="te" tabx="-1" data-ponent-type="recirc-river" data-recirc-id="em-image-9" data-recirc-pattern="summary-em" target="_self"><span class="SpanWrapper-umhxW kGxnNB rponsive-asset SummaryItemRponsiveAsset-hjGIGg bDvSkO summary-em__image"><div 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Together, they make for an emotnal epic.</div><div class="SummaryItemByleWrapper-boCfbi hYsZi summary-em__byle-date-in"><div class="SummaryItemBaseByle-fFbXkY gRtaxp summary-em__byle"><div class="summary-em__byle__ntent"><div data-ttid="BylWrapper" class="BylWrapper-KIudk irTIfE byl"><p class="ByleWrapper-jWHrLH iNSiTG byle byl__byle" data-ttid="ByleWrapper" emProp="thor" emType="><span emProp="name" class="ByleNamWrapper-jbHncj fuDQVo"><span data-ttid="ByleName" class="ByleName-kwmrLn cYaBaU byle__name"><span class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ BylePreamble-iJolpQ iUEiRd bIbWCO gnILss byle__preamble">By </span>David Canfield</span></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="SummaryItemWrapper-iwvBff fKazuH summary-em summary-em--has-le summary-em--ARTICLE summary-em--no-in summary-em--text-align-left summary-em--layout-placement-text-below summary-em--layout-posn-image-left summary-em--layout-proportns-50-50 summary-em--si-by-si-align-center 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class="RponsiveImageContaer-eybHBd fptoWY rponsive-image__image" src="></noscript></picture></div></div></span></a></div><div class="SummaryItemContent-eiDYMl clSLtF summary-em__ntent"><div class="RubricWrapper-dKmCNX hXRWeY bric bric--disvery SummaryItemRubric-dguGKN lapGFj summary-em__bric"><span class="RubricName-fVtemz cLxcNi">Award Season</span></div><a class="SummaryItemHedLk-civM cxlTHI summary-em-trackg__hed-lk summary-em__hed-lk" data-ponent-type="recirc-river" data-recirc-id="em-hed-10" data-recirc-pattern="summary-em" href=" target="_self"><div data-ttid="ClampWrapper" class="ClampWrapper-kZxfkB hTTNGO clamp SummaryItemHedBase-hiFYpQ khUTXM summary-em__hed"><div class="ClampContent-hilPkr jVhSBH"><div class="SummaryItemHedTag-TWblf gxaOcP" data-ttid="SummaryItemHed">Meet the Director Behd the Bt Episos of <em>The Wt Wg, Glee, Dahmer,</em> and More</div></div></div></a><div class="BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ SummaryItemDek-CRfsi iUEiRd ijSOpT jDyfzW 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