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He recently starred the film “Tick, Tick Boom!” about the poser Jonathan Larson, who gave the Broadway h Rent. Garfield’s performance snagged him a Goln Globe for Bt Actor a Comedy or Mil. And he’s up for an Osr too. But my favore performance om Andrew Garfield is the one that’s more than a old om “The Social Network,” the film about the foundg of Facebook and the rise of Mark Zuckerberg. Garfield played Eduardo Saver, Zuckerberg’s -founr and enemy. Of urse, I had a ont row seat to the early days of Facebook. So I wanted to start right there.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">Andrew Garfield, wele to “Sway.”</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I’m very, very happy to be here.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So let’s start wh this role — was a breakout role for you, I thk — Eduardo Saver, who is the origal vtor Facebook. He was a classmate of Mark Zuckerberg. And he’s sort of the nscience of the movie. I was around those days when the real Mark Zuckerberg was kickg around the Valley tryg to raise money wh Sean Parker. I know Sean Parker pretty well. Did your role the 2010 film “The Social Network” give you any particular sights about what has sce unfold at Facebook? Bee was a pretty tough movie.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Yeah.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">And let me jt say before we start, I had a discsn wh Mark about . And he said, this is how people are gog to remember me. And I said, I’m sure you’re gog to do far worse thgs gog forward, which actually turned out to be te. So tell me a ltle b about how you’re lookg at that.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Oh my goodns, your prophyg is unfortunately very apt. I was a young kid. I was 23, 24 when I signed up to do this project. When I read the script, you hear ’s Aaron Sork and you go, oh, he’s gog to kill the people, like he’s gog to really she a light to the nooks and cranni of the psych of the people that create the platforms. And, of urse, I immediately shut my Facebook page down as soon as I read the script.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Really? What ma you do that?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I thk what Aaron laid out was kd of — the sential wound of Mark Zuckerberg, or his terpretatn of , of an abily to nnect and needg to create a vehicle for his very specific abily to nnect shallow ways. And then how ’s kd of — his dysfunctn has bee all of our dysfunctn. And kd of stck me as this kd of — the rotten head of the fish affects the rt of the body. And, of urse, ’s jt Aaron’s terpretatn and our terpretatn and Jse Eisenberg’s and David Fcher’s, but felt pretty impossible to ny.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right, well, that’s an tertg ncept of this ia is his dysfunctn is our dysfunctn. I always say, I lled the expensive tn of Mark Zuckerberg, which, I mean, our expense, not his. You know, I mean, he got rich. I’d like to play a clip om a scene the film. This is jt after your character, Eduardo Saver, arrived at Facebook for the lnth er party, which turned out to be an ambh which Saver is told his stocks will be diluted. I thk this was an amazg scene. Saver nonts Mark, who is dg away at his puter.</p></dd><dl class="css-1jysr6y"><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived rerdg (ardo)</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Mark?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived rerdg (sean)</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">He’s wired .</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived rerdg (ardo)</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Sorry?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived rerdg (sean)</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">He’s wired .</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived rerdg (ardo)</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Is he?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived rerdg (sean)</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Y. [BOOM]</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived rerdg (ardo)</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">How about now? You still wired ?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived rerdg (sean)</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Call secury.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived rerdg (ardo)</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">You issued 24 ln new shar of stock.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived rerdg (mark)</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">You were told that if new vtors e along —</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived rerdg (ardo)</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">How much were your shar diluted? How much were his?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived rerdg (gretchen)</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">What was Mr. Zuckerberg’s ownership share diluted down to?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived rerdg (ardo)</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">It wasn’t.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived rerdg (gretchen)</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">What was Mr. Moskovz’s ownership share diluted down to?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived rerdg (ardo)</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">It wasn’t.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived rerdg (gretchen)</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">What was Sean Parker’s ownership share diluted down to?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived rerdg (ardo)</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">It wasn’t.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived rerdg (gretchen)</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">What was Peter Thiel’s ownership share diluted down to?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived rerdg (ardo)</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">It wasn’t.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived rerdg (gretchen)</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">And what was your ownership share diluted down to?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived rerdg (ardo)</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">0.3 percent.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">[MUSIC PLAYING]</p></dd></dl><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">That Trent Reznor sre.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Yeah, amazg. What did that scene reveal to you?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I get chills listeng to that scene. It remds me of what you said at the begng of our nversatn about Eduardo really beg, you know, the nscience of that whole enterprise at the begng, that uld have been retaed, actually, and by exilg the heart, Mark end up all the trouble he’s end up . I fd that que touchg and tragic. You know, the tragic flaw of this kd of Shakpearean versn of Mark Zuckerberg that Aaron Sork created is an exile of the heart. And the motto of move fast and break thgs maybe don’t have all the advantag that he had prevly thought.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">And I thk Aaron is very genero that fal scene of the film where Mark is jt rehg his Facebook page to see if his ex has accepted his iend requt, shows the soul of the man who jt wants what we all want, which is love and to be loved and to love. And I would say was a very, very genero thg that Aaron and David gave Mark that moment.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">And also he had his girliend the whole time. Like that was dramatic nce. But I thk he got right about nnectn for sure. But at the time, the were people who were celebrated. You know, the were the wners. And one of the thgs that was hard, I thk, was gog agast . Bee you were — your character was portrayed as a villa that story at the time, someone who is sort of a bummer on novatn and gettg too big while Sean Parker was sort of celebrated as the go-go guy.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Mm-hm, yeah, and I thk that speaks to a kd of an adolcence our culture, I thk, and a kd of celebratn of adolcence, a celebratn of youth, a celebratn of a kd of irrponsibily that we have jt now matured. It’s why we still worship Kanye Wt. It’s why we still worship people like Elon Mk, you know? There’s a kd of immatury that we idolize and ialize.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">But then for me, ’s like we’ve volunteered to be the addictn rearch guea pigs for Mark and his algorhm and all the other social work platforms. We have the power to disengage. We have the power to swch off. And I gus I’m cur about —</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Maybe not, actually.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">You thk?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I thk ’s not jt addictn, ’s addictn and necsy.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Totally.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">You have to do for work. You know, you have to do for your life. And the panmic, you need to orr food and munite and go to school. So ’s unavoidable and addictive at the same time.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I mean, ’s a really good pot. And I still go to, how do we get away om fancial greed, power, stat? The thgs that are, you know, killg kids on Instagram, there’s somethg about the scent to the self and an acceptance of every sgle aspect of ourselv that is beg threatened and exiled. So we’re actually not able to be whole together. And, aga, I thk ’s a kd of symptom of the dysfunctn of this particular wound Mr. Zuckerberg and how his abily to nnect has bee our abily to tly nnect to ourselv each other.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">You know, was tertg, the tagle for “The Social Network” was “you don’t get to 500 ln iends whout makg a few enemi.” And that se, was jt the Wklevii, the Wklevoss brothers, who are easy to make fun of. Although now they’re B billnair, so I gus everythg turned out OK for them.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">But I would say “turned out OK” is a subjective thg, you know? It might be turng out OK for the bank acunts. It may not be turng out OK for their ner liv.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Andrew, I don’t worry for the Wklevoss. It’s lled a e wi and a foot ep but havg spent some time wh them. In any se, they’re jt fe.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I unrstand.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">They’re jt fe. So you’re not on social media at all now. You were on Twter for a time or not at all? I don’t see you anywhere there.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">No, no I have a secret Twter acunt jt to kd of creep around and watch people. And ’s my ma source of news wh followg people that I rpect and admire. But no, I don’t do social media. I mean, I remember durg “The Social Network” and then to “Spir-Man,” I was my mid-20s. And I still felt too vulnerable to be on social media. I knew that if I wanted to have the life of privacy and protectn and eedom and wholens, I knew that I wasn’t gog to be able to be exposed to all of the facels, voicels, namels people on social media.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">— who have an opn about you —</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Totally.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">— who have an opn about you or you’re Spir-Man or whatever you happen to be dog.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Of my girliend or whatever is, I know that there were certa thgs that I would have to protect. I have a iend, an olr mentor the actg muny, who says to be an actor, to live as an actor, and to last as an artist, you have to have the heart of a child the sk of a rho. And I thought, well, I’ve got to put — I’ve got to put some guards at the gate. I’ve got to put some warrrs and dogs at the gate and build a moat and pull up the drawbridge and only let the people that really get to fully e . And that’s OK.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">And that appli to Twter or Facebook, Instagram, thgs like that om your perspective?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I mean, I thk pecially, all those. And pecially for young people and young women particularly Instagram, the obssn wh image now, the kd of two dimensnal image that we prent parg our sis to other people’s outsis, this is where — I know you have kids of your own. So ’s somethg that you probably wrtle wh all the time. I’m not sure.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Well, I’m a sharent. No, unfortunately, my son lls me a sharent. I have one son who hat , one son who lov . But pends. It’s a really tertg thg bee I really do have, I would say, an addictn to Twter. And I read news on .</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">But this is an terview of you. By the way, you do rather well on social media. Jt so you know, they thk you’re adorable and all your girliends are adorable. You tend to get an easy road on there. I wouldn’t say that of Kanye Wt or —</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">No, well, I thk ’s bee I don’t engage. I thk ’s bee I don’t give too much. I thk ’s bee I give jt what I feel fortable givg. And ’s thentic. It’s me. But there’s parts of me that are me and that I want — need to protect. And I am very, very happy wh that. I’m happy that I got given that early social work experience. Bee kd of sred the sh out of me, to be ank.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">But social media, is a way for celebri to reach directly to their fans. It’s a really tertg phenomena for a lot of people. I thk is. It’s fascatg bee was much more ntrolled before.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Yeah, and I thk there’s absolutely a lot of bety that. Like, I love seeg Chris Hemsworth workg out. I love seeg The Rock hangg out wh his dghter. I love, know — ’s like a performative timacy that feels very fortg and very, very sweet. It’s an extensn of the performance.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">And I thk that n be healthy for people. That n be really good for some people. And I really don’t judge . I actually envy . I wish I was ls sensive, a way.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Maybe try TikTok.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Oof.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">It n be pleasant. If you like air yg, that’s what I get a lot of vios of. I get a lot of air yer vios. I don’t know why. Hollywood has lost a lot of ground to tech pani over the years. And streamg is now ascendant. Do you feel the shift power?</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right now, you were “Spir-Man.” Only the big blockbters seem to work theaters anymore, right? I jt terviewed Ted Sarandos, Netflix. I’ve terviewed Ari Emanuel, a whole bunch of different people. And they have different tak on . But most of them e to the ncln that streamg is where everythg’s at. How has that changed you know your lculatn as an artist? How do you thk about that?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I tend not to. I jt love tellg stori. I have the privileged posn of jt gettg to make stori. And the msage is far more important than the medium. The ias are far greater than the medium. As long as there is a medium, then I’m happy. As long as Netflix exists, as long as —</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So you don’t md? A lot of people Hollywood are mdg that ncept.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I md to the extent that I know, and I thk we all our bon, that beg a room together watchg a story play out and experiencg a story together, breathg together, cryg together, lghg together is another form of medice that we actually need. We are a storytellg animal. We are a meang makg animal. And ’s very, very hard to do that whout beg together. And for me, and I know for most people, that we get to actually nnect the non-Zuckerberg longg way to nnect is by beg an actual room together, not a virtual one.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I see. So I take you’re not gog to the Metaverse at this pot, except if ’s a “Spir-Man” movie, for example.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I have no sire to go to the Metaverse. That was one of the most terrifyg adverts I’ve ever seen for anythg. And did feel like was created by non-humans. And, yeah, was vastatg, actually, to my soul. But listen, I love — I snuck and I saw “Spir-Man” the theaters.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">This is “Spir-Man No Way Home.” You play one of the Spir-Mans. There’s three Spir — four —</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Three.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">— three Spir-Men the multiverse, sentially, a multiverse suatn. That did very well. It was a blockbter at the box office, at the physil box office, which ma many to say, movie theaters aren’t ad. But my pot was, all the others are not. Has the panmic quashed anythg but our love of superhero?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I thk gog to the cema has bee a slightly more of a special ocsn for all of . And I thk we really select, pecially durg the panmic wh everythg gog on and pecially wh, you know, the fancial cnch that a lot of people are feelg, I thk there is jt more selective and makg a more sacred event. It’s, aga, ’s this kd of ep bone longg, that we have this kd of human longg to be together, to be experiencg somethg together. And the same wh live mic, you know? I’m actually not ncerned. I was at an event last night. And Guillermo Del Toro, the great filmmaker, ma a speech and basilly said ’s been, of urse, a shty year for movie theaters. But ’s been an absolutely credible year for movi. And I thk that stands. And he’s the one that said, you know, the ia is far more important than the medium.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">[MUSIC PLAYING]</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">We’ll be back a mute.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">By the way, you n e that mute to go ment on the dysfunctn of Mark Zuckerberg or anythg else this episo. Jt vis More wh Andrew Garfield after the break.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">There’s buzz on social media, jt so you know, whether you’re gog to play Spir-Man aga. Are you?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I don’t know. It’s not somethg I’ve led out. It was my favore superhero when — sce I was three years old. So steppg back as a 36, 37-year-old man was credibly funny and enjoyable. And jt a great gift, a great surprise. And to work wh, you know, my hero, my Spir-Man, Tobey Maguire, and then this credible young Spir-Man, Tom Holland. So now movg forward, I’m not, I’m not entirely sure.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">But terms of choosg rol, ’s really — I thk the role of the artist, and I take this serly, is to be the prophets, to be the on that are reflectg the tim we’re . And I thk wh “tick, !,” that’s what the ma theme of this film is.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So how did you pick ? It’s a mil about the creator of “Rent,” Jonathan Larson. Tell me how you got volved . Why did L-Manuel Miranda st you? Bee you’ve talked about this on many shows, you didn’t know how to sg, but apparently you n. Why were you attracted to and why do you thk he was attracted to you for this role?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I was attracted to bee felt like the qutsential iatory stage of beg a young artist that Jonathan was symbolizg this particular part of his life, this two-week perd, this will I, won’t I make moment. And if I don’t make this time, do I keep tryg?</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">And I thk ’s that thg that we all go through, if we’re lucky enough, to fd somethg that we adore, to fd somethg that we feel lled to, or to fd our geni, and I thk that’s why so many people, pecially young people, are nnectg to the film bee I thk pecially durg the panmic and the last two years of kd of stggle and sufferg, for young people to see someone fully m to their gift fully m to their dream the face of failure and rejectn and isolatn and maybe not makg is eply, eply spirg. And is a kd of archetypal journey that every young artist has to go through.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right, “Rent” was about that, was a journey of artists and var activists and the time of AIDS. L said apparently, he saw you on the stage at “Angels Ameri.” I also saw your performance. You were fantastic.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Oh, thank you.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">What do you thk he saw that performance? Talk a ltle b about that performance. Bee “Angels” is really que a show. And ’s two parts. It’s a very heavy lift of a show for an actor, and pecially your part.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Yeah, ’s eight and half hours. It’s by the great Tony Khner. He named “A Gay Fantasia on Natnal Them.” And ’s set durg the AIDS crisis, as you said. And follows a group of people who are tryg to figure out how to live the tensn of life and ath and heaven and hell and, you know, not jt how to survive, but to actually live. And, yeah, I play a character lled Prr Walter who ultimately has to ci whether he wants to live or die.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">He has AIDS.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Yeah, and, yeah, ’s this credible kd of soul-wrenchg journey and volly very, very challengg. Y, I never sung before. But I did manage to get through eight shows a week for a year and a half on and off and not miss a show. And I thk L saw that and thought, well, if he has some sense of pch, if he’s not totally tone af, then this — he uld be my guy.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">For this one.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">For “tick, !”</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Had you seen “Rent.” I n’t image you were old enough. But I don’t know how old you are.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I’m 38. No, I wasn’t. But I’ve seen the productn and the film and, obvly, jt a huge admirer of Jonathan his wrg and his — you know, he wasn’t sgg to sound pretty. He was an activist wh all the rt of his iends. He was tryg to save people’s liv. And the mystery of the fact that he died so young. He di at the age of 35 and jt before the first night of the first preview of the off-broadway productn of “Rent.”</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Yep, I’ll never fet that.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">He was about to fally get the harvt of the seeds that he had been plantg for the last 35 years. He pass away. I fd that so movg. Like speaks to the more spirual dimensn of what we’re dog here. And I thk the thg that people, like our iends the tech world, kd of need an tn — and ’s funny, I feel like people the tech world, a lot of them seem to have big e-to-J moments. And end up gog to Esalen and gog on silent retreats and, you know, hangg out wh gus India —</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">That’s jt Jack Dorsey. Jt so you —</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">There’s a few I’ve e across.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Marc Benff do, yeah, you’re right. There’s a uple. Yeah, that’s all narcissistic, jt so you know.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">This is what I wonr, you see?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Good for them. Yeah, yeah, well, don’t wonr. Let me give you that piece of rmatn right now. L-Manuel Miranda said that “Rent” and Larson, which is the character you play, were hugely spiratnal for him. Like Larson, he was once a stgglg songwrer.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">Obvly, “Haton” was his game-changer. Do you thk was a personal story for him? And did feel like you were portrayg both L and Larson? Do you thk that was what was about for him?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Yeah, absolutely, I thk that there is no — well, there’s no Jonathan Larson whout Stephen Sondheim. And there’s no L-Manuel Miranda whout Jonathan Larson and Stephen Sondheim. So felt like an anctral honorg for L.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">You know, I remember, he showed me the first cut of the film. Bee we were rea l— we’ve been such credible llaborators on this. And I jt was so moved by the film. And I was weepg. And I said, I lled him I was like, du, I jt want to say thank you. Thank you so much for honorg your actors. Thank you so much for honorg my terpretatn of John.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">And he was so relieved. And he said, oh buddy, I’m so happy to hear that. And no offense, but I had much bigger fish to y bee I don’t want to be hnted by the ghost of Jonathan Larson for the rt of my life for fuckg up his story. And ’s also, aga, bee ’s so personal to L, the more personal be for the storytellers, the more personal be for an dience.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">So sudnly, you know, ’s L’s life, ’s my life, ’s any actor’s life, ’s any artist’s life, ’s any playwright’s life. It’s any person who has felt lled to be a lawyer’s life. It’s about votn. And ’s about challenge. And ’s about stggle. It’s about salmon swimmg upstream to your own life, to your own sty.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">And so yeah, but that’s what L do. He mak so damn personal. There’s a great moment the film where the middle of a fight between myself and my girliend, we almost make up. And we’re about to get really close aga. And then sudnly —</p></dd><dl class="css-1jysr6y"><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived rerdg (san)</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Oh my god.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">[MUSIC PLAYING] Now ’s out the open. You’re thkg about how you n turn this to a song, aren’t you?</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">[MUSIC PLAYING]</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived rerdg (jonathan)</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">No. What?</p></dd></dl><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Jonathan, the character I play, starts wrg a song his head. And he gets ught at by his girliend. And L showed to all of his wrer iends. And they all jt cmbled and vered their fac. And they said L, you n’t show them that, you n’t show them somethg so te our liv. And was, yeah, ’s betiful.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Yeah, wrers are always sellg someone out. That’s how you — I thk Joan Didn — I thk ’s a Joan Didn quote. You don’t tst anyone who’s a wrer of any type not to subsume every sgle part of their liv to their art.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">One of the thgs I thought you did nail, when they show pictur of Larson himself, his manic energy — he had credible manic — I remember seeg him. You uld feel both speratn and promise g off of him almost all the time. Like he had to make , he had to make . How did you channel that? Bee he was a unique — you kd of start to thk of what he uld have ma next.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Yeah, I mean, ’s a profound qutn bee he was livg a profound edge, I thk. And for me, my terpretatn, ’s absolutely lked to how young he was when he passed away. That manic energy, that turned up to an 11 all the time, that abily to sleep, that, as you said betifully, that mix of speratn and promise feels to me absolutely lked to this unnsc knowg that he didn’t have a lot of time.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Really?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Yeah, that’s the myster way I thk the unnsc works. Otherwise, what was this tickg? It wasn’t about him turng 30. It wasn’t about his girliend’s blogil clock. It wasn’t about the lack of achievement he had ma. Those are all superficial. There’s a eper nversatn happeng.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">And there was a le the origal “tick, !” which they had to cut after he passed away bee felt far too paful for people to hear. And the le was, “Sometim I feel like my heart is gog to explo.” And ’s a prophecy for the aortic anrysm, the Marfan syndrome that they disvered after he passed away. For a healthy young guy to die at 35, was as if — and this is me beg kd of a spirual woo-woo actor type, but ’s like —</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Thank you for dog that om California, pecially. You’re Malibu, right? Perfect.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Yeah, I’m aaid so. But no, I feel like he knew. There was a knowg. There was as if the theater gods didn’t let him sleep, kept on sendg him melodi and spiratn to say, hey, you don’t have a lot of time. We need you to liver “Rent” bee the world needs your gifts. The world needs this op of yours.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right. In part, this is a love letter to Stephen Sondheim too. And Larson was heavily fluenced and mentored by him. How did you thk about that part of ? Bee that was a key relatnship. Obvly, Sondheim is the godfather to all the people a lot of ways, the morn Amerin mil.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Yeah, I mean, well, obvly, everythg has changed the wake of his ath, you know. Not that we ever took Stephen Sondheim for granted, but before he passed, yeah, him beg this kd of lnized, kd of inic figure Jonathan Larson’s — I get a symbol, a symbol of the ultimate mentorship.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">And, of urse, the wake of his passg, ’s even more movg. Bee the voice msage that we hear at the end of the film, L shows the film to Steve. And Steve rponds by sayg, “You’ve treated me kdly and royally. And for that, I am eternally grateful.” Pse. “I do have one or two not.”</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Of urse.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">And he said, you know the voice msage that the actor playg me, Bradley, leav for Jonathan at the end of the film to enurage him? I jt don’t thk I would e that kd of language. I’ve wrten somethg as another optn for you. I’ve rerd for you. Feel ee to e if you n’t get Bradley Whford to e and do his loopg l. So L received this voice rerdg. And ’s Stephen Sondheim’s voice our film.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">[RINGING]</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">[BEEP]</p></dd><dl class="css-1jysr6y"><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived rerdg (stephen sondheim)</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">John, Steve Sondheim here. Rosa gave me this number. I hope ’s OK I’m llg you.</p></dd></dl><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Leavg this voicemail for, of urse, Jonathan and for me, but also for every young artist that watch this film, ’s like they have their own ltle personal enuragement om one of the great artists of any time, and specifilly, arguably the greatt mil theater artist ever.</p></dd><dl class="css-1jysr6y"><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived rerdg (stephen sondheim)</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">The ma thg, though, is that ’s first rate work and has a future. And so do you. I’ll ll you later wh some thoughts, if that’s OK. Meanwhile, be proud.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">[CLICK]</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">[MUSIC PLAYING]</p></dd></dl><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">You know, ’s tertg, this urgency, pecially the face of mortaly, is somethg that rri through this film rather. And bee we know now what happened to him, most people know that this guy wasn’t gog to be able to realize his geni much longer kd of thg. And do add poignancy to what he created bee was so betiful. When you thk about the impact of ath — and you were jt on Stephen Colbert talkg about losg your mom of ncer jt recently.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">My dad died when I was five. So I have a ltle b of — and I save ath quot all the time. I e to spire myself. I listen to Steve Jobs’ speech about ath like every uple of months, sentially. So rms me a lot too.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">But was very touchg when Colbert asked you about losg your mom. And you said, I hope this grief stays wh me bee of all the unexprsed love that I didn’t get to tell her. If you don’t md, I’m gog to play a clip of that.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Please.</p></dd><dl class="css-1jysr6y"><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived rerdg (andrew garfield)</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I got to sg Jonathan Larson’s unfished song while simultaneoly sgg for my mother and her unfished song. And I’m bted to John. And I — and I’m bted to L-Manuel Miranda. I’m bted to everyone who’s brought me to this place so that I n honor the most betiful person that I’ve ever experienced my life through my art and e as a way to heal, e as a way to sew up the wounds.</p></dd></dl><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So tell me about your mother. What you would you like her to be remembered as, bis sewg up the wounds —</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Oh, man.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">— which is a betiful metaphor, actually. We got a lot of wounds though.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Yeah, well, then those are the thgs that — what is that great Mary Oliver le om “Wild Gee,” “Tell me about spair, yours, and I’ll tell you me.” The kd of muny sorrow, the muny beg human and the woundns that we all share. And, aga, ’s about scent, to scend to our wounds and to heal them is the only way through.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">And, aga, this obssn wh ascensn, this obssn wh — lengtheng life rather than epeng life I fd que alarmg and upsettg. My mom was someone who was a pantheistic. She saw God all thgs. And I say God, I mean the ternnectedns, the everythg. And the poem that she wanted read at her memorial was, “Do not stand by my grave and weep. I am not there. I do not sleep,” which is obvly a classic and absolutely perfect and betiful.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">She was someone that had such a lack of ego. She was someone that jt wanted to serve others. She was someone that knew we’re here and then we’re not. And we are the actns and the — maybe the most important word, which do choke me up — is the kdns that we leave behd. Bee she was and is — bee I know this too — she’s not gone.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">She is still here. Her kdns liv me, my brother, my father, every one that she ever met and everyone that I have ever met. Bee her fluence on me is evably so great. And I’m so grateful for .</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">Bee she really was the bt of . And I thk her legacy is a legacy of kdns, a legacy of passn, a legacy of gentlens, a legacy of a very small, visible, huge life of love and kdns.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">That’s a lovely elegy for her. When you thk about what that means gog forward here, you’ve played someone who left too soon, what do you thk about work ahead? What do you thk your foc should be?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">That is the sential qutn of late, how are we supposed to spend our time? And I thk is absolutely unique terms of how each of answer that. I like that ia that we all have a specific thread that we hold on to, to weave to this taptry and to weave to this kd of muny of life that we’re a part of.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">For me, I jt want to ntue tellg stori that are life-affirmg, ath-affirmg, actually. As you say that you remd yourself of Steve Jobs’ credible words around ath and any other gus that have great sight about that fal adventure.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">You know, there’s an app — you should get — We Croak.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">We Croak?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">It’s a ltle og. And giv you ath quot.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Oh, that’s amazg.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">And remds — I’m gog to have to — I have to read this to you. I’m sorry. This says, “In Bhutan, they say ntemplatg ath five tim daily brgs happs.” Which, do.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I dig . We Croak is a geni and hilar. I absolutely love . But and also, you know, I thk about some of the people we’ve been talkg about. I thk about Sondheim. I thk about L. I thk about one of my mentors, Mike Nichols, the great filmmaker and improv actor and geni of his time.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">And the three of them have somethg mon. And that ’s two legaci. One legacy is the work that they left behd and kd of the medice that work, the bety of that work, the healg that work. But then they were all — and L is this as well at a young age — credible mentors to a whole generatn of artists. And I thk to tra my eye on that feels really, really good. And ’s begun to happen where young actors are askg qutns of me terms of how to pursue this crazy profsn and this crazy llg. Bee I thk you n do a kd of spirual check on the culture by the art that ’s producg or, you know, you look at the last admistratn the Whe Hoe and the lack of art that environment. And you go, oh yeah, there’s a soul sickns there. It’s evint.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">You know, Elon Mk thks we’re, of urse, all a simulatn. This is this is a vio game beg played by teens of the future. And they’re fuckg wh almost nstantly. And Tmp is jt the latt thg the game, sentially, which is kd of a sry thought.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Well, that’s a sure fire way to disassociate and feel a lack of rponsibily for any of your actns. That’s a lovely jtifitn.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Oh, I like you gog for Mk, good for you. Do not do that to him on social media. He seems to have a few iends there and do rather well at . Anyway, let me ask you one last qutn. If you had to pick any role that you uld do right now, is there any story you want to tell?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Oh wow, you jt stumped me. Let me say somethg first about Elon Mk bee I feel like I’ve been unfair. Bee I don’t know him. I’ve never met him. I never sat wh him.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">I would be fascated to. And I’m obvly jt gog off of my terpretatn and, you know, a kd of a superficial look. Bee, you know, I don’t want to be judgmental. I’m jt kd of, I’m fascated by the disurse. And I’m fascated by the people that are shapg our culture right now.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">I jt fd absolutely fascatg. And ’s important. It’s important that we don’t idolize anyone, any human beg. And we see what happens. And we see what’s happeng Ukrae right now, this credible print who ref to be idolized. He’s totally meetg the moment wh huy and wh self-sacrifice. So I thk that an example of that kd of huy and that kd of actual learship is really humblg whout ego seemgly beg the ma drivg center and force.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">In terms of a story I want to tell or — you know, ’s a weird moment, Kara, bee I’ve been workg que relentlsly for the last uple of years. And I’m very, very proud of the work that I’ve created, pecially wh “tick, !,” that, you know, do speak of my soul. Maybe this is important to say, I feel a ltle b like — not to pare myself to such a geni, but Simone Bil jt kd of gog, you know what? I don’t thk I n do this vlt. I’m gettg the bends, I’m gettg the sps. I need to jt kd of s down, support my fellow gymnasts, and maybe s the next uple of plays out.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">And I thk ’s maybe important to talk about as well. Bee we don’t often give ourselv the opportuny to jt to look at the horizon and be a human beg rather than a human dog. And I fely feel like I’m a season of beg and jt kd of ntemplatg and supportg the loved on around me and havg a life and beg a b of a private Andrew for a while. That’s the next project maybe is jt to kd of do some personal healg and personal kd of work wh jt wh myself.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Well, that’s an excellent role, obvly. That’s the bt role you uld do. Thank you so much.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">andrew garfield</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Yeah, likewise.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">kara swisher</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">“Sway” is a productn of New York Tim Opn. It’s produced by Nayeema Raza, Blakeney Schick, Daphne Chen, Cal O’Keefe, and Wyatt Orme wh origal mic by Isaac Jon, mixg by Sonia Herrero and Carole Sabourd and fact-checkg by Kate Sclair and Mary Marge Locker. Special Thanks to Shannon Bta, Krist L and Krista Samulewski. 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