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To pass the time quarante, he told me recently, he has been cuttg his own J-like locks and walkg iends through at-home haircuts via Zoom. He has also been rerdg episos of his podst, “Gettg Cur wh Jonathan Van Ns,” which he terviews guts about a remarkably wi variety of topics, om fashn to polics to history. (Recent episos clu “How Did You Bee So F*#%!ng Fierce?,” wh the signer Christian Siriano, and “When Did We Start To Demonize Poverty?,” wh the enomic journalist Mary O’Hara.)</p><p class="paywall">Van Ns grew up Qucy, Illois, where his fay owns a lol media pany. He has often spoken about the bullyg he suffered as a “flamboyant kid” a small town. He went to llege at the Universy of Arizona on a partial cheerleadg scholarship, before droppg out his first year to go to smetology school. “Who am I foolg?,” he said one terview about those years. “I’m not a llege stunt, I’m a hairdrser.” He studied at the Aveda Instute, Mneapolis, before movg to Phoenix and later to Los Angel to cut hair full-time. (He is now based New York.) It was while standg behd a barber’s chair that Van Ns disvered that he uld wield his tongue as sharply as his shears; one of his clients worked for the Web se Funny Or Die, and, 2013, she enuraged him to make a Web seri for the se. The rult, “Gay of Thron,” which Van Ns would lorfully rep “Game of Thron” episos while snippg hair, beme a viral sensatn. Van Ns land a spot on the “Queer Eye” reboot and, followg the show’s succs 2018, beme a breakout star. Wh his handlebar mtache, quick wticisms, and high-heeled boots, he olics through every episo advotg stubble matenance and self re. Last fall, Van Ns released a memoir, “<a data-offer-url=" class="external-lk" data-event-click="{"element":"ExternalLk","outgogURL":"" href=" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Over the Top</a>,” which he disclosed his stggl wh addictn and his H.I.V.-posive stat. He spoke to me on Zoom om At, Texas, about L.G.B.T.Q. rights, his pet ts, and groomg tips for people stuck si (ht: don’t buzz your head).</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Hi. What are you dog Texas?</strong></p><p class="paywall">Well, we were shootg “Queer Eye” At when everythg started. And then—I don’t know if you’ve ever travelled wh four ts an airport?</p><p class="paywall"><strong>No, fely not.</strong></p><div><div class="ConsumerMarketgUnThemedWrapper-iUTMTf jssHut nsumer-marketg-un nsumer-marketg-un--article-mid-ntent" role="prentatn" aria-hidn="te"><div class="nsumer-marketg-un__slot nsumer-marketg-un__slot--article-mid-ntent nsumer-marketg-un__slot---ntent"></div><div class="journey-un"></div></div></div><p class="paywall">Yeah, is not the most amazg experience. So I jt stayed.</p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-1 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall"><strong>O.K., wa, I need all the ts’ nam.</strong></p><p class="paywall">This is Hairy Larry, and he is my olst. Um, I have Matilda. She’s right here takg a nap. And then I have Lady G and Liza Meownelli, who’s right here. I have to say she has not been takg quarante well. She has really bad t I.B.S., bee she survived panlk when she was a kten, which is like parvo dogs. But now if you look at her wrong, she has diarrhea.</p><p class="paywall">I’m sorry I’m talkg about this. Why am I talkg about this?</p><p class="paywall"><strong>I want to talk about groomg durg quarante. There was an article today the <em>Tim</em> om a makp fluencer who asked, Do anyone re what I look like? Nobody n see me. What is your take on the ia of matenance while so many people are si?</strong></p><p class="paywall">One of my bt iends always told me, “Don’t should me.” Whenever you’re “should”-g someone, ’s kd of a way of shamg them. This is an unprecented suatn that we are all gog through, and I thk everyone is gog to handle different ways. If mak you feel more at peace to do a full face of glam on a daily basis, even if you’re not gog somewhere, do . Never had the time to get to before and now you do have time and you have the rourc to do that? Go for . But if you don’t want to and don’t make you feel good, or you’ve been someone who’s dog that a lot and you want to take a break, that’s O.K.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>What are you dog personally?</strong></p><p class="paywall">At the begng I thk I was a ltle b like, Oh my gosh, I don’t have to blow-dry my hair. I had jt been filmg. I had jt been on tour. And I’d also jt been on the back of two years of nonstop go, go, go. And then, the last uple of weeks, I’m like, I miss dog hair. Like, I’m gog to do fger wav on my hair. I’m gonna do my ts’ hair. I’ve been teachg my iends how to do their hair on Zoom.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Have you cut your own hair?</strong></p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-2 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall">Yeah, I did like a ltle b of a ge trim on myself wh [the “Scht’s Creek” star] Ey Hampshire on her show the other day. [<em>Lghs.</em>] I trimmed the ont a ltle b. It was like a ltle face ame.</p><figure class="CneVioEmbedFigure-kCfJjN hdJOda e-vio-embed"><div data-ttid="script-ntaer"></div></figure><p class="paywall"><strong>I cut my own bangs. I did the thg where you cut up and not across.</strong></p><p class="paywall">Perfect. That’s a pot cut vers a blunt cut. It’s more soft, so ’s more fivg. That’s great.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>The thg where you pull them out, twist them, and cut—is that a good way to do ? I was told once by somebody you should twist them and then cut them.</strong></p><div class="Contaer-bkChBi byNLHx"></div><p class="paywall">Well, what always ms up my clients the worst, and what always gave me such a headache, is where your ge actually om. People cut hair here on the sis or like over here on their temple. A lot of tim my clients would want that thg where when you pull your hair back and you have like a ltle b of somethg here, you know that thg?</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Yeah, like almost a shag type thg?</strong></p><p class="paywall">Right, so when you have long hair like and then you n pull back a ltle b and all of a sudn there’s a tuft right here? It’s like, no! If you’re gog to do , you jt want to make sure that ’s right on the top part.</p></div></div></div></div><div class="RowWrapper-UmqTg HEhan full-bleed-ad row-mid-ntent-ad"><div class="StickyMidContentAdWrapper-fSBzwl drzyIa ad-stickymidntent"><div class="AdWrapper-dQtivb fZrssQ ad ad--mid-ntent should-hold-space"><div class="ad__slot ad__slot--mid-ntent" data-no-id="ivmvs"></div></div></div></div><div class="GridWrapper-cAzTTK eRggVV grid grid-margs grid-ems-0 ArticlePageChunksGrid-hfxa bDFJoo"><div class="GridItem-buujkM kHPPIF grid--em"><div class="BodyWrapper-kufPGa bDyAMU body body__ntaer article__body" data-journey-hook="client-ntent" data-ttid="BodyWrapper"><div class="body__ner-ntaer"><p class="paywall"><strong>The triangle, the Bermuda Triangle.</strong></p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-3 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall">My le of thumb is that you want to try to not cut wir than the outsi of your brows.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>How have the Zoom hair tutorials been gog?</strong></p><p class="paywall">Good. I did this thg the other night where I parted my hair all the way down the middle and then I put some mose, on hly washed hair. And then I did almost like a French braid—jt every time you twist you pick up a ltle b more here. And when you take out, giv you the bt big circle-y wav.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>I wanted to see ask you a few qutns about what people different suatns should do wh their hair right now. Do you thk people should be verg grays right now, or jt let ri?</strong></p><p class="paywall">O.K. I don’t know the legaly around this, but if your lorist who you have a regular relatnship wh, n, like, get you your lor , like, a cute ltle bag and then you n, like, Venmo them and get some ntactls pickup? I jt don’t want you to put box lor on your hair if you’ve not been dog that. So y. Or, no!</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Got . Men growg out their hair vers buzzg ?</strong></p><p class="paywall">Grow! Please grow!</p><p class="paywall"><strong>You thk? But what about that weird -between stage?</strong></p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-4 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall">I feel like there’s a part “Er Brockovich” where she says somethg like . . . I thk ’s . . . I don’t know. I n’t remember. I jt want everythg to be an “Er Brockovich” quote. But, so what? We all have a middle stage. Jt do .</p><p class="paywall"><strong>This is a classic “Queer Eye” qutn, but straight men who are startg to experiment wh growg out their hair, and they’re, like, maybe should I put clips? Should I put up? If they want to get off their face, should they be wearg headbands?</strong></p><p class="paywall">I love a headband. I also don’t thk this is a heterosexual-specific qutn. I thk that there are a lot of homosexual to asexual to bisexual and pansexual people who are growg out their hair, and women for that matter, who maybe have had short hair. I love the followg thg for growg out your hair: a good, old-fashned, lightweight summer hat.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Wa, like a bucket hat?</strong></p><p class="paywall">I like to do a beanie, but ’s extremely light. You know, T-shirt material. I also love a fierce headband.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>I feel like you risk lookg like Josh Brol “The Gooni.”</strong></p><p class="paywall">Is that a bad thg?</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Maybe not. What about like a bobby-p suatn on men’s hair?</strong></p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-5 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall">I also really love a bobby p! When I was growg my hair out—bee I cut my hair off when I was twenty-five, I don’t know what I was thkg—I would twist , jt twist . Do you remember when we ed to twist and put ltle butterfly clips ?</p><p class="paywall"><strong>I grew up the neti; I fely do.</strong></p><p class="paywall">So yeah, I would do that. And then I would jt put two bobby ps behd and then sometim bobby-p the top. I would do a ltle pompadour.</p></div></div></div></div><div class="RowWrapper-UmqTg HEhan"><div class="BodyWrapper-kufPGa RaHuL body ArticlePageBodyGridContaer-jrMoA-d xjuw body__grid-ntaer" data-ttid="BodyWrapper"><div class="GenericCalloutWrapper-tojWn pLUZ llout--has-top-borr" data-ttid="GenericCallout"><div class="GroupCalloutWrapper-bPWknp gdIAQE llout llout--group llout--group-2" data-ttid="GroupCalloutWrapper"><figure class="AssetEmbedWrapper-eVDQiB byBkf asset-embed llout--group-em llout--group-em-1"><div class="AssetEmbedAssetContaer-eJxoAx dBHGoQ asset-embed__asset-ntaer"><span class="SpanWrapper-umhxW kGxnNB rponsive-asset AssetEmbedRponsiveAsset-cXBNxi eCxVQK asset-embed__rponsive-asset"><picture class="RponsiveImagePicture-cWuUZO KhjZz AssetEmbedRponsiveAsset-cXBNxi eCxVQK asset-embed__rponsive-asset rponsive-image rponsive-image--expandable"><noscript><img alt="Van Ns touchg his hair." class="RponsiveImageContaer-eybHBd fptoWY rponsive-image__image" src=" srcSet=" 120w, 240w, 320w, 640w, 960w, 1280w, 1600w" siz="100vw"/></noscript></picture></span></div></figure><figure class="AssetEmbedWrapper-eVDQiB byBkf asset-embed llout--group-em llout--group-em-2"><div class="AssetEmbedAssetContaer-eJxoAx dBHGoQ asset-embed__asset-ntaer"><span class="SpanWrapper-umhxW kGxnNB rponsive-asset AssetEmbedRponsiveAsset-cXBNxi eCxVQK asset-embed__rponsive-asset"><picture class="RponsiveImagePicture-cWuUZO KhjZz AssetEmbedRponsiveAsset-cXBNxi eCxVQK asset-embed__rponsive-asset rponsive-image rponsive-image--expandable"><noscript><img alt="Van Ns wh a t." class="RponsiveImageContaer-eybHBd fptoWY rponsive-image__image" src=" srcSet=" 120w, 240w, 320w, 640w, 960w, 1280w, 1600w" siz="100vw"/></noscript></picture></span></div></figure></div></div></div></div><div class="GridWrapper-cAzTTK eRggVV grid grid-margs grid-ems-0 ArticlePageChunksGrid-hfxa bDFJoo"><div class="GridItem-buujkM kHPPIF grid--em"><div class="BodyWrapper-kufPGa bDyAMU body body__ntaer article__body" data-journey-hook="client-ntent" data-ttid="BodyWrapper"><div class="body__ner-ntaer"><p class="paywall"><strong>How are we feelg about eyebrow matenance quarante?</strong></p><p class="paywall">I feel really firm about lettg that grow. That is such a slippery slope, you know? Next thg you know that there’s like three survivors and you don’t know what happened.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Not everybody who’s a hairstylist has been able to parlay that to a media reer. People are still jt hoofg, and that’s how you started out. What are people who are that profsn gog to do now, to survive?</strong></p><p class="paywall">I’ve spent so much time thkg about that and talkg about that, jt wh my iends. I’ve been thkg about what I would have done if this had happened 2012 or 2013 or 2014 or 2015 or 2016, pecially as relat to some stuff that I’ve talked about my book, about [my] stggl wh addictn and stuff. I was gog through a lot of that when I was buildg my clientele and dog hair.</p><p class="paywall">We’re seeg new regulatns for how salons are gonna functn a post-ronavis world—you know, no blow-dri, and no more dry haircuts, and obvly not packg [people] . Like, we won’t be able to do someone [else] while you have your lor procsg—I was the queen of that. And I thk all of are the queen of that, bee that’s what we have to do.</p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-6 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall"><strong>Right, multaskg, gettg people through the door.</strong></p><p class="paywall">Exactly. I have been wonrg if, the future, pric will go up, bee you’re not gog to be able to double-book. No-shows and late-shows were always somethg that really affected my bs. And ’s so hard to make clients unrstand . Bee, you know, I’ve never known a salon that paid a hairdrser to be there if they don’t have a client. If you’re a stylist, you only get paid if there’s a butt your chair. And so to only be able to do one at a time—if someone is late, that’s already impacted your bottom le.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>You were all for Elizabeth Warren durg the Democratic primary, but you’ve e out recently as a fan of Joe Bin.</strong></p><p class="paywall">I’m jt havg a chat wh my ternal filter. Stand by.</p><p class="paywall">O.K., so, I, um . . . I’m a really big fan of makg sure that our Print is someone who will state the stutns to create an equal playg field for everyone. For black people, for L.G.B.T.Q.+ people, pecially for trans people. If Tmp ws aga, we uld lose marriage equaly as we know —[ some] stat at the very least. And Roe v. Wa, the people’s accs to reproductive health re—and not only is reproductive health re, ’s H.I.V. ttg, ’s trans treatment, ’s S.T.I. treatment, ’s beg able to talk to your doctor hontly and openly about what you’re dog, so that you n get the treatment that you need, ee of shame and judgment om medil provirs who uld potentially turn you away bee they don’t agree wh your cisns.</p></div></div></div></div><div class="RowWrapper-UmqTg HEhan full-bleed-ad row-mid-ntent-ad"><div class="StickyMidContentAdWrapper-fSBzwl drzyIa ad-stickymidntent"><div class="AdWrapper-dQtivb fZrssQ ad ad--mid-ntent should-hold-space"><div class="ad__slot ad__slot--mid-ntent" data-no-id="rdq9kc"></div></div></div></div><div class="GridWrapper-cAzTTK eRggVV grid grid-margs grid-ems-0 ArticlePageChunksGrid-hfxa bDFJoo"><div class="GridItem-buujkM kHPPIF grid--em"><div class="BodyWrapper-kufPGa bDyAMU body body__ntaer article__body" data-journey-hook="client-ntent" data-ttid="BodyWrapper"><div class="body__ner-ntaer"><p class="paywall">So, look, I thk Joe Bin is a flawed person and he has a flawed past. <a href=">What he did wh Ana Hill</a>, what his role was wrg the mass-rceratn legislatn, is super problematic. I thk that the Tara Rea allegatns are troublg, and I do want to give him some cred: om the stori that I’ve read, seems like he wants her to tell her story, and ’s really important that she do.</p><p class="paywall">I jt . . . we have to w. We really, really, really have to w.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Some people have pared the polil battl around ronavis to those around H.I.V. How do you feel about people parg the two?</strong></p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-7 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall">Reagan, at the onslght of <em class="small">AIDS</em> crisis, didn’t even say the word <em class="small">AIDS</em> publicly until 1985. And, you know, his prs secretary—there’s all of that d of him makg fun of that reporter who’s askg him about , and they’re makg homophobic jok. It wasn’t until H.I.V. was seen as a threat to everyone, not jt gay men, that anyone changed anythg. So I do thk for that reason, if we are gog to play the parison game, isn’t the same, bee there were s and s of actn. <em class="small">COVID</em>-19’s been around for six months, and we’re talkg about a year away om a vacce.</p><p class="paywall">[On the other hand], the H.I.V./<em class="small">AIDS</em> crisis, there was such a need to foc blame on gay people—you know, this was God’s thg for you. And blah, blah, blah. And then, now there has been this huge racism and xenophobia toward Asian people. I do thk I see that rrelatn. When somethg like this happens, stead of turng agast each other . . . I know my therapist would say we need to, like, lean to our relatnship wh each other. That’s how we get through.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Are you still gog to therapy virtually?</strong></p><p class="paywall">Fuck y.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>When you n fally get back to “Queer Eye,” and who knows when that will be, but have you thought about how this experience is gog to affect the advice you give people? The ia that an ternal transformatn is matched by an external transformatn: do you thk that has been changed at all by this quarante?</strong></p><p class="paywall">So I obvly love to do hair. And I love to do transformatn sometim. But I feel like my passn, and my role, is more about acceptg who we are and embracg who we are. I’m a lot of tim more of, like, the anti-transformatn bety expert. I really want people to celebrate themselv, and that’s always what I’m tryg to do.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Do you thk there are new opportuni for that, now that so many people are alone wh themselv?</strong></p><p class="paywall">Yeah, but I also feel like I still want validatn om others, even when I’m isolated. I thk that’s still a ltle human, too.</p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-8 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p class="paywall"><strong>What’s your loungewear suatn?</strong></p><p class="paywall">Well, ’s not great, bee I me to Texas for two weeks March thkg that I’d go back to Manhattan and, like, go to my hoe and get my stuff, which I didn’t.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>You’re not onle shoppg, jt orrg rob?</strong></p><p class="paywall">O.K., fe. Call me out. I did go rogue on some sweats. There was a sale, I fet where I found . It was like click, click, and a click. The next thg I knew, I had gotten some tie-dye sweats. Do you want me to tell you the brand? Cse ’s super fy.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Please, I need good sweats.</strong></p><p class="paywall">It’s this John Elltt tie-dye that I went off on.</p><p class="paywall"><strong>Do you miss your own cloth a ltle b?</strong></p><p class="paywall">What I miss is my mugs. 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