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em{font-style:alic;font-fay:Charter,Geia,Tim,Serif;} strong{font-fay:Charter,Geia,Tim,Serif;font-weight:bold;}{clear:both;ntent:" ";display:block;font-size:0.7rem;le-height:1.5rem;height:0rem;visibily:hidn;}</style><div class="article-body-ntent article-body standard-body-ntent css-woto36 ewisyje7"><style data-emotn="css aeyldl">{font-fay:Charter,Geia,Tim,Serif;font-size:1.1875rem;le-height:1.6;} strong{font-fay:Charter,Geia,Tim,Serif;font-weight:bold;} em{font-style:alic;font-fay:Charter,Geia,Tim,Serif;}</style><p data-no-id="0" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">Livg a society where even our basic needs are treated like a mody, ’s hard not to be fluenced by pani seekg to explo both people’s needs and securi. Who hasn’t fallen prey to a targeted ad promotg a hundred-dollar product that claims will give your sk a youthful, wy glow or a $60 bottle of pills that will turn your hair to an even more illtr Rapunzel? No one is a stranger to this type of fluence, and neher is but thor Jsie Gaynor. So, she crafted a whole novel examg the predilectns of this ele group phg the very products.</p><p data-no-id="1" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">In Gaynor’s first novel, <em>The Glow</em>, we are troduced to Jane Dorner, a PR assistant who is drowng bt, sufferg through a breakup, and is on the verge of losg her job. Her savg grace the form of FortPath, a wellns retreat wh a jaw-droppg bety, Cass, actg as s face. Jane views Cass and her partner, Tom, as nothg more than an opportuny to save herself om poverty, but sooner than she realiz, she gets wrapped up the world and philosophy of the fluencer entirely.</p><p data-no-id="2" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">A senr edor at <em>LHub</em>, Gaynor is also a graduate of the Iowa Wrers’ Workshop. Her work has been featured <em>WSJ Magaze</em>, <em>The New Yorker</em>, and <em>McSweeney’s</em>. She spoke wh Shondaland about the farce of wellns, how fluencg n be ak to leadg cults, and the importance of lghg through heartbreak.</p><style data-emotn="css 18pb4rg">{borr:0;borr-bottom:th solid black;marg:1.875rem 0;clear:both;}</style><hr data-no-id="3" class="css-18pb4rg et3p2gv0" /><p data-no-id="4" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>CHANNLER TWYMAN: How did your own experienc wh bety and fluencer culture spire the creatn of this book?</strong></p><p data-no-id="5" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>JESSIE GAYNOR:</strong> The most tertg and enviable thg about fluencers is jt how certa they seem about thgs. I recently read an terview wh Alison Roman where she was like, “And obvly, I nap naked,” and ’s so wild to me that you n be so sure of a thg you do. Whenever I remend somethg to someone, I feel like I have to qualify 80 different tim: “I like this, but you might not like . I don’t know, you know? This is jt the kd of food I like. 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I thk there’s somethg really allurg about a person who says, “If you live this way, your life will be better.” I don’t want to say that fluencers are relig figur, but I do thk that’s somethg they have mon wh them bee that’s what’s also allurg about relign: someone tellg you how to live.</p><p data-no-id="8" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">The one-sentence germatn of this project was “What if someone really wanted to jo a cult?” Bee they wanted to ce ntrol of their cisns and have someone tell them what to do.</p><p data-no-id="9" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>CT: Why the emphasis on bety and wellns specifilly?</strong></p><p data-no-id="10" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>JG: </strong>Bety is me nstantly tryg to figure out what thg I n put on my face that mak me look like I haven’t lived for 37 years. In the fluencer space, people are nstantly sayg, “Here is the thg that will work for you.” I’m not apt to believe a lot of thgs, but skre I will.</p><p data-no-id="11" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">As far as wellns go, somethg to me that’s tertg about wellns is that I’m Type 1 diabetic, and Type 1 diabet is an tertg disease that if you have accs to sul, you n live a pretty normal life, and if you don’t, you’ll die wh weeks. It’s a disease that no one is tryg to say they n cure wh more “wellnsy” cur. Even wh ncer, people will say, “Jt drk this tea.” Wh Type 1 diabet, everyone is on the same page that sul is the only way to cure . I feel like that has ma me unsceptible to wellns speak bee those thgs n’t do anythg for me; I jt need sul.</p><p data-no-id="12" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>CT: Can you talk about the rearch that went to craftg the ntext of the novel? What are some thgs that surprised you?</strong></p><p data-no-id="13" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>JG:</strong> I worked at a space where I was dog affiliate marketg, like “100 Thgs You Should Buy on Amazon,” bee I got a lot of PR. I didn’t want to nigrate that work, but I did want to show how silly the language around sellg wellns n be. I wanted to differentiate sellg wellns through a PR perspective and Cass’ perspective. Wellns-wise, was a lot of Instagram and a lot of Redd. I do have a ton of iends who are way more to wellns than I am. I talked to them about why they feel so sure about the products and activi they swear by. When I started wrg the novel, I wanted Cass to be a ltle more dishont, but later I found far more tertg to wre about a person who hontly believ somethg. That was a turng pot wrg . I jt thk a lot of fluencers really believe themselv. Lookg at that motivatn is much more tertg to me than someone lookg to trick people and make money.</p><p data-no-id="14" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>CT: What about Jane’s character ma important for you to statn the narrative through her POV?</strong></p><p data-no-id="15" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>JG:</strong> I love an unlikable protagonist. I thk of myself as an unlikable protagonist sometim. I’m not like Jane, but was liberatg to give voice to somethg about the unlikable thgs about me and put them Jane and then amp them up. The ia of acknowledgg the privilege of those around you but not your own is very ter culture a nutshell. I thk she’s someone that would love to watch a Twter pile-on, but the moment that someone qutns somethg she said, she’d cmble. I thk that’s human, but is somethg we should exame wh ourselv. I do thk ’s more fun to wre the more villao parts of people.</p><p data-no-id="16" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">I actually found more humoro to wre her perspective. In the first draft, I had wrten half of through Tom’s POV, which was really tertg to wre and fely ls barbed and funny, and Jane was such a great ndu for humor. All of my favore books have a lot of humor them. That’s what I want to read and wre too.</p><p data-no-id="17" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>CT: What do Cass’ character reprent? She’s such a prence the novel, at least Jane’s ey, but seems like she go through life generally havg everythg hand to her. What were you tryg to say about fluencers, and how so many of sperately feel the need to be fluenced by them, when their so-lled magism boils down to superficial tras ( Cass’ se, her bety)?</strong></p><p data-no-id="18" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>JG:</strong> I’m always tryg to talk to people about “hot privilege.” Sometim you’ll meet a person and thk that they’re so tertg, and you’ll thk ’s strange how you found them so tertg, and then you realize that was bee they were really attractive. If a ls-attractive person had unual terts, I’d thk they were weird.</p><p data-no-id="19" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">It’s tertg for a rear who n’t see Cass to be like, “What’s the appeal?” But is tertg to thk about how willg you’d be to give someone the benef of the doubt when they say somethg tertg or wise or say somethg unexpectedly telligent, all bee of how they look. You don’t expect someone to be betiful and telligent. They have a leg up your md. Creatg a character that wasn’t attractive wouldn’t have worked bee no one would want to talk to them. We don’t thk about how someone’s physil appearance fluenc our opn of them.</p><div supprsHydratnWarng data-no-id="20" data-embed="pullquote" class="embed css-0 e9hzx6g0"><style data-emotn="css 1eiql25">{text-align:center;marg:0rem;paddg-top:0.9375rem;paddg-bottom:0.9375rem;}</style><blockquote class="css-1eiql25 e1pe3zr91"><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-0 eagam8p0"></span><style data-emotn="css 1h5xk02">{font-fay:GTWalsheim,Helveti,sans-serif;font-size:1.625rem;font-weight:bold;le-height:1.2;marg:0rem;}@media(max-width: 48rem){{font-size:1.75rem;le-height:1.2;}}@media(m-width: 64rem){{font-size:1.875rem;le-height:1.2;}} b, strong{font-fay:her;font-weight:bold;} em, i{font-fay:her;font-style:alic;}</style><blockquote class="css-1h5xk02 e1pe3zr90">Even the midst of somethg terrible, I thk about how absurd ’s gog to seem later. I don’t thk that’s me tryg to mimize , but dog my bt to s wh .</blockquote><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-0 eagam8p1"></span></blockquote></div><p data-no-id="21" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>CT: Tom seems to be one of the first to be fluenced by Cass, so much so that he marri her spe their mimal sexual and timate nnectn. How do their relatnship set the precence for Cass’ relatnship wh her followers?</strong></p><p data-no-id="22" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>JG:</strong> Cass’ relatnship wh Tom is where I did want to humanize her and show that she is someone who genuely r about people. I wanted her relatnship wh Tom to be rooted somethg that’s real. Tom didn’t have warmth his home, and Cass is the one who enurag him to be hont about his sexualy, whereas his fay would rather ny and not talk about . Marryg Cass is the only way he n be hont about beg gay. In the moments of Tom and Cass as children, spe most of Cass’ allure beg based on appearance, we see a seed of her genue abily to read people and tell them what they need to hear.</p><p data-no-id="23" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">There is also somethg gross — though I hope ’s ls prevalent now, spe still beg prent — about Cass takg advantage of Tom a way that shows she don’t see him as a whole sexual person.</p><p data-no-id="24" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>CT: What is “the glow” that atten of Cass’ retreat get by the time they leave? Is imaged, metaphoril, or physilly tangible? What do reprent as far as the story is ncerned?</strong></p><p data-no-id="25" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>JG:</strong> Some thgs about wellns are te. If you drk more water, you probably will feel better, and the same wh vegetabl, but ’s not magic. It’s not staable for most people. If you are rich enough to be able to eat refully prepared meals of all vegetabl, or not have to s ont of the screen, or work the sun, or do a lot of tasks that are necsary for people who do not have a small army attendg to them, you probably will look and feel amazg. That’s the privilege.</p><p data-no-id="26" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">If I had Tom as my chef and I uld do yoga for three hours a day, I’d probably glow, but I have to work and take re of kids, so I throw a handful of shews my mouth. “Glow” is <em>the </em>[word] ed when scribg skre. It’s also somethg that n reflect on other people. A glow v people . It’s somethg that n be shared. A lot of the language around wellns is about sharg and cln, when fact, is pretty solary. It’s about onelf — very tonomo. So, the false promise of a glow beg somethg that n be shared is what drew me to that word specifilly.</p><p data-no-id="27" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>CT: There are parts the novel that are tough to read, but there are others that had me hysterics! Tell me about the procs of wrg this novel wh so much humor spe s characters reboundg om so much sufferg.</strong></p><p data-no-id="28" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>JG:</strong> Some of my favore books are those that tackle darker them wh humor, and that’s how I al wh bad s--t my own life. My mom has Parkson’s, and jokg about wh my siblgs has helped all pe. Jokg is often seen as a flectn, but I actually thk ’s a way to s wh somethg. When you’re lghg about somethg, you’re . Humor is so much a part of how I al wh the world, and jt ma sense to put the characters. Even the midst of somethg terrible, I thk about how absurd ’s gog to seem later. I don’t thk that’s me tryg to mimize , but dog my bt to s wh .</p><p data-no-id="29" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>CT: Is there anythg else you’d like to share about your book?</strong></p><p data-no-id="30" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><strong>JG:</strong> I’m genuely so grateful to those who take the time to read this book. I ed to hate when celebri would say thgs like, “Wng an award is humblg,” but I do thk there’s somethg to be said about people takg time to read this bee mak me thk about how much else there is to be dog and readg, and I want to thank anyone who reads my book. I know sounds chey, but I’m feelg very chey the days.</p><hr data-no-id="31" class="css-18pb4rg et3p2gv0" /><p data-no-id="32" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"><em>Channler Twyman is an emergg queer wrer om Atlanta, Geia. 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