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class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">This uld pass for nuendo plucked straight om any of the three <em><style data-emotn="css 9cezh6">{-webk-text-ratn:unrle;text-ratn:unrle;text-ratn-thickns:0.0625rem;text-ratn-lor:her;text-unrle-offset:0.25rem;lor:#E61957;-webk-transn:all 0.3s ease--out;transn:all 0.3s ease--out;}{lor:#595959;text-ratn-lor:borr-lk-body-hover;}</style><a href=" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" data-vars-ga-outbound-lk=" data-vars-ga-ux-element="Hyperlk" data-vars-ga-ll-to-actn="RuPl’s Drag Race" data-vars-ga-product-id="a5385104-acd9-4c22-8118-6ce276191dce" data-vars-ga-lk-treatment="(not set) | (not set)" data-href=" data-product-url=" data-affiliate="te" data-affiliate-url=" data-affiliate-work="{"id":"31518d15-56f8-4a3f-8799-8066452d82","se_id":"10a25939-3448-4c42-8343-9bfdfc32076b","metadata":{},"work":{"id":"469ce69f-4798-416d-9432-eaa9954b4053","name":"Amazon","metadata":{}}}" data-vars-ga-product-price="$34.99" 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But the drag queen is referrg to her role <em>A Star Is Born</em>—one she ially turned down. Evintly, not every girl bats their eyelash and answers to Lady Gaga and Bradley Cooper’s beck and ll.</p><p data-no-id="2" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">At first, D.J. Pierce—better known by stage name Shangela Laquifa Wadley—was reluctant to dn for a role she wasn't nvced she uld nail. And then the Texas native got an email om Gaga’s manager, Bobby Campbell, whom she met while filmg Gaga's "<a href=" target="_blank" data-vars-ga-outbound-lk=" data-vars-ga-ux-element="Hyperlk" data-vars-ga-ll-to-actn="Applse" class="body-lk css-9cezh6 et3p2gv0">Applse</a>" lyric vio, which a gaggle of queens were st to dance alongsi Mother Monster herself.<strong> </strong>“LG wants you e and dn for this role.” Some would say the rt is history, though Shangela prefers to e her signature rallyg cry:<em>“<a href=" target="_blank" data-vars-ga-outbound-lk=" data-vars-ga-ux-element="Hyperlk" data-vars-ga-ll-to-actn="Hallelloo!" class="body-lk css-9cezh6 et3p2gv0">Hallelloo!</a>”</em> <br /></p><style data-emotn="css 1736von">{--data-embed-display:flex;-webk-align-ems:center;-webk-box-align:center;-ms-flex-align:center;align-ems:center;clear:both;display:-webk-box;display:-webk-flex;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;marg-bottom:0.9375rem;marg-left:to;marg-right:to;width:100%;}@media(m-width: 20rem){{width:100%;marg:0 to 0.9375rem;}}@media(m-width: 30rem){{width:100%;marg:0 to 0.9375rem;}}@media(m-width: 40.625rem){{width:100%;marg:0 to 0.9375rem;}}@media(m-width: 48rem){{width:100%;marg:0 to 0.9375rem;}}@media(m-width: 64rem){{width:100%;marg:0 to 0.9375rem;}}@media(m-width: 73.75rem){{width:100%;marg:0 to 0.9375rem;}}@media(m-width: 75rem){{width:100%;marg:0 to 0.9375rem;}}@media(m-width: 90rem){{width:100%;marg:0 to 0.9375rem;}} a span{right:1rem;} img{width:to;height:85vh;} a{display:-webk-le-box;display:-webk-le-flex;display:-ms-le-flexbox;display:le-flex;posn:var(--posn, relative);} img:not(.ewcw41w1){display:block;width:100%;height:to;-webk-align-self:flex-start;-ms-flex-em-align:flex-start;align-self:flex-start;}</style><div size="medium" data-embed="body-image" data-no-id="4" class="align-center size-medium embed css-1736von e1xqj1sx4"><style data-emotn="css uwraif">{width:100%;display:-webk-le-box;display:-webk-le-flex;display:-ms-le-flexbox;display:le-flex;-webk-flex-directn:lumn;-ms-flex-directn:lumn;flex-directn:lumn;marg-left:to;marg-right:to;-webk-box-pack:center;-ms-flex-pack:center;-webk-jtify-ntent:center;jtify-ntent:center;}</style><div class="css-uwraif e1xqj1sx3"><div class="css-p7qblm ewcw41w0"><img alt="Shangela A Star Is Born" tle="Shangela A Star Is Born" loadg="lazy" width="1800" height="1201" dg="async" data-nimg="1" style="lor: transparent; width: 100%; height: to;" siz="100vw" srcSet=" 640w, 980w, 1120w, 1200w, 1920w" src="" class="css-0 exi4f7p0" /><a target="_blank" rel="noopener" href="// Oprah&" class="ptert css-1i6sckr e1c1bym14"><img data-dynamic-svg src="/_assets/sign-tokens/e/static/ins/social/" loadg="lazy" alt="ptert in" height="to" width="to" class="css-1l3i1cl ewcw41w1" /></a></div><style data-emotn="css swqnqv">@media(m-width: 20rem){{paddg-left:0rem;}}@media(m-width: 30rem){{paddg-left:0rem;}}@media(m-width: 40.625rem){{paddg-left:0rem;}}@media(m-width: 48rem){{paddg-left:0rem;}}@media(m-width: 64rem){{paddg-left:0rem;}}@media(m-width: 73.75rem){{paddg-left:0rem;}}@media(m-width: 75rem){{paddg-left:0rem;}}@media(m-width: 90rem){{paddg-left:0rem;}}</style><div class="css-swqnqv e1xqj1sx2"><style data-emotn="css 1am3yn9">{paddg-left:0rem;le-height:1;}</style><figptn class="css-1am3yn9 enfs9c50"><span class="css-1sepnu9 e6iqd2">Clay Enos</span></figptn></div></div></div><p data-no-id="5" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">Cooper’s directorial but wh stellar reviews is already beg ld as <a href=" target="_blank" data-vars-ga-outbound-lk=" data-vars-ga-ux-element="Hyperlk" data-vars-ga-ll-to-actn="2019 Osr ba" class="body-lk css-9cezh6 et3p2gv0">2019 Osr ba</a>. Shangela’s appearance is a supportg one, though pivotal. <em>A Star Is Born</em> is a love story, one centered around a cisgenr heterosexual alholic rock star, Jackson (Cooper) and the no-name sger he tapults to fame (Gaga). It’s based on <a href=" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" data-vars-ga-outbound-lk=" data-vars-ga-ux-element="Hyperlk" data-vars-ga-ll-to-actn="the 1937 mil" data-vars-ga-product-id="ad592146-16b5-405e-883f-59f486f3a113" data-vars-ga-lk-treatment="(not set) | (not set)" data-href=" data-product-url=" data-affiliate="te" data-affiliate-url=" data-affiliate-work="{"id":"31518d15-56f8-4a3f-8799-8066452d82","se_id":"10a25939-3448-4c42-8343-9bfdfc32076b","metadata":{},"work":{"id":"469ce69f-4798-416d-9432-eaa9954b4053","name":"Amazon","metadata":{}}}" data-vars-ga-product-brand="Image Entertament" data-vars-ga-product-price="$11.57" data-vars-ga-product-retailer-id="e476bffe-df1e-47c2-bc30-c70dc128a9e8" data-vars-ga-product-sem3-brand="Image Entertament" data-vars-ga-product-sem3-tegory="Movi" class="body-lk product-lks css-9cezh6 ebsw2pb0">the 1937 mil</a> starrg Ja Gaynor and Fredric March, and the lead rol have been reterpreted by <a href=" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" data-vars-ga-outbound-lk=" data-vars-ga-ux-element="Hyperlk" data-vars-ga-ll-to-actn="Judy Garland and Jam Mason" data-vars-ga-product-id="ed32dae4-6233-49b4-a7b7-9fbc1b790da1" data-vars-ga-lk-treatment="sale | (not set)" data-href=" data-product-url=" data-affiliate="te" data-affiliate-url=" data-affiliate-work="{"id":"31518d15-56f8-4a3f-8799-8066452d82","se_id":"10a25939-3448-4c42-8343-9bfdfc32076b","metadata":{},"work":{"id":"469ce69f-4798-416d-9432-eaa9954b4053","name":"Amazon","metadata":{}}}" data-vars-ga-product-brand="Warner Manufacturg" data-vars-ga-product-price="$17.84" data-vars-ga-product-retailer-id="5d246dc6-b7ce-4548-9c12-99d7ff175af7" data-vars-ga-product-sem3-brand="Warner Manufacturg" data-vars-ga-product-sem3-tegory="Movi" class="body-lk product-lks css-9cezh6 ebsw2pb0">Judy Garland and Jam Mason</a> 1954, then <a href=" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" data-vars-ga-outbound-lk=" data-vars-ga-ux-element="Hyperlk" data-vars-ga-ll-to-actn="Barbra Streisand and Kris Kristofferson" data-vars-ga-product-id="7cc088e2-9736-48b8-a9-31b211898a47" data-vars-ga-lk-treatment="(not set) | (not set)" data-href=" data-product-url=" data-affiliate="te" data-affiliate-url=" data-affiliate-work="{"id":"31518d15-56f8-4a3f-8799-8066452d82","se_id":"10a25939-3448-4c42-8343-9bfdfc32076b","metadata":{},"work":{"id":"469ce69f-4798-416d-9432-eaa9954b4053","name":"Amazon","metadata":{}}}" data-vars-ga-product-price="$2.99" data-vars-ga-product-retailer-id="737a58e4-98c5-435b-a3d9-4392d8a650cf" data-vars-ga-product-sem3-tegory="Movi" class="body-lk product-lks css-9cezh6 ebsw2pb0">Barbra Streisand and Kris Kristofferson</a> 1976.</p><p data-no-id="6" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0"> Fast forward to 2018, and ’s a drag queen—a bean of LGBTQ reprentatn both on and <a href=" target="_blank" data-vars-ga-outbound-lk=" data-vars-ga-ux-element="Hyperlk" data-vars-ga-ll-to-actn="off screen" class="body-lk css-9cezh6 et3p2gv0">off screen</a>—that's behd Gaga and Cooper's cematic meet cute. Not to be fotten? The fact that early on, the purpose of Shangela's character is to uplift. Y, I cried several tim durg the film, but the l she exchanged wh the star st were enough to keep me lghg, too. </p><div supprsHydratnWarng data-no-id="7" data-embed="pullquote" class="embed css-0 e9hzx6g0"><style data-emotn="css 1eiql25">{text-align:center;marg:0rem;paddg-top:0.9375rem;paddg-bottom:0.9375rem;}</style><blockquote class="css-1eiql25 e1pe3zr91"><style data-emotn="css 1um4foy">{ntent:'“';display:block;font-fay:Juana,Geia,Tim,Serif;font-size:4.375rem;le-height:1.1;font-weight:300;height:2.25rem;marg-bottom:1.2rem;}</style><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-1um4foy eagam8p0"></span><style data-emotn="css aqnz0y">{font-fay:Juana,Geia,Tim,Serif;font-size:1.625rem;font-weight:300;letter-spacg:0.01em;le-height:1.2;marg:0rem;text-transform:upperse;}@media(max-width: 64rem){{font-size:2.25rem;le-height:1;}}@media(m-width: 48rem){{font-size:2.375rem;le-height:1;}}@media(m-width: 64rem){{font-size:2.75rem;le-height:1;}} b, strong{font-fay:her;font-weight:bold;} em, i{font-fay:her;font-style:alic;}</style><blockquote class="css-aqnz0y e1pe3zr90">Our role as drag queens is to promote nfince.</blockquote><style data-emotn="css 5cb97h">{ntent:'”';display:block;font-fay:Juana,Geia,Tim,Serif;font-size:4.375rem;le-height:1.1;font-weight:300;height:2.25rem;marg-top:0.9375rem;}</style><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-5cb97h eagam8p1"></span></blockquote></div><p data-no-id="8" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">Shangela, whose dn nvced producers to expand her brief speakg part, portrays the bar owner and drag “mother” that enurag Gaga’s character, Ally, to fd her footg on stage and eventually flirt wh Cooper's Jackson. The gravy of how lns of viewers will perceive this queer character isn’t lost on Shangela. In fact, ’s what she says Cooper, as the director, aimed to celebrate. Unlike other films that proposn queens as somethg to lgh at, there was no punch le surroundg her character. Her tentn is to pump Ally up wh nfince, much like any other iend, regardls of their genr inty or sexual orientatn, would do. And she do so marveloly. <br /></p><p data-no-id="9" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">“I never felt like the character was someone that wasn’t rpected, or that was wrten a way that didn’t put the LGBTQ muny a posive light,” Shangela says, explag that while drag culture has s own diverse subsects, her role is wrten to exist eely, not wh the vacuum queer folk are often expected to stay . “Our role as drag queens is to promote nfince. When we stand tall, people feel more nfint standg tall around you. That ia was very important.”</p><p data-no-id="10" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">Her cln the film reprents a move the right directn. In 2017, the <a href=" target="_blank" data-vars-ga-outbound-lk=" data-vars-ga-ux-element="Hyperlk" data-vars-ga-ll-to-actn="Gay and Lbian Alliance Agast Defamatn (GLAAD)" class="body-lk css-9cezh6 et3p2gv0">Gay and Lbian Alliance Agast Defamatn (GLAAD)</a> reported that only 14 out of the 109 movi released, a meager 12.8 percent, ntaed a sgle character that intified as lbian, gay, bisexual, transgenr, or queer, a 5.6 percent crease om the prev year. And while <a href=" target="_blank" data-vars-ga-outbound-lk=" data-vars-ga-ux-element="Hyperlk" data-vars-ga-ll-to-actn="the statistics on televisn are better" class="body-lk css-9cezh6 et3p2gv0">the statistics on televisn are better</a>, LGBTQ reprentatn still looks the same: the majory of queer characters are portrayed by whe cisgenr men. Ryan Murphy’s<em> <a href=" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" data-vars-ga-outbound-lk=" data-vars-ga-ux-element="Hyperlk" data-vars-ga-ll-to-actn="Pose" data-vars-ga-product-id="25a52ed7-8225-4267-b5dc-6150ce839f26" data-vars-ga-lk-treatment="(not set) | (not set)" data-href=" data-product-url=" data-affiliate="te" data-affiliate-url=" data-affiliate-work="{"id":"31518d15-56f8-4a3f-8799-8066452d82","se_id":"10a25939-3448-4c42-8343-9bfdfc32076b","metadata":{},"work":{"id":"469ce69f-4798-416d-9432-eaa9954b4053","name":"Amazon","metadata":{}}}" data-vars-ga-product-price="$0.00" data-vars-ga-product-retailer-id="e76ae34f-3f03-4900-9b8e-fd6748a3cda1" class="body-lk product-lks css-9cezh6 ebsw2pb0">Pose</a></em>, which stars a lp of diverse transgenr actors, and now, <em>A Star Is Born</em>, will boost the numbers this year. As a gay man livg 2018, one all too faiar wh drag bars and the queens who n them, Shangela's role ma me feel seen. <br /></p><style data-emotn="css 8c6v">{posn:absolute;left:-10000px;top:to;width:1px;height:1px;overflow:hidn;}</style><div data-ad-exclu class="css-8c6v ehha8ut0">This ntent is imported om youTube. 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I take that posivy wh me every day of my life,” she says. <br /></p><div supprsHydratnWarng data-no-id="18" data-embed="pullquote" class="embed css-0 e9hzx6g0"><blockquote class="css-1eiql25 e1pe3zr91"><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-1um4foy eagam8p0"></span><blockquote class="css-aqnz0y e1pe3zr90">Even if people don’t crown you, remember, you don’t need a have a crown to be a queen.</blockquote><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-5cb97h eagam8p1"></span></blockquote></div><p data-no-id="19" class="css-aeyldl et3p2gv0">A humble upbrgg (“We didn’t grow up wh a lot of money”) spired her to bee the first her fay to go to llege. “I know if I give up, a’t nobody go’ be there to do the job. It’s jt me,” she says. “When they told me no on<em> Drag Race</em>, I jt kept g back. 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A STAR IS BORN: THE EASTER EGGS BRADLEY COOPER HID HIS LADY GAGA REMAKEINCLUDG HOMAG TO PREV A STAR IS BORN FILMS, THE IENDS HE ST, AND THE REAL-LIFE SPIRATNS BEHD THE MOVIE’S BT MOMENTS.BY JULIE MILLEROCTOBER 5, 2018JUDY GARLAND, 1954; JA GAYNOR, 1937; COOPER, 2018; BARBRA STREISAND AND KRIS KRISTOFFERSON, 1976.CLOCKWISE OM TOP LEFT, OM WARNER BROS/KOBAL/REX/SHUTTERSTOCK; OM PHOTO 12/ALAMY; URTY OF WARNER BROS; OM THE EVERETT COLLECTN.SAVE THIS STORYSAVESAVE THIS STORYSAVEON FRIDAY, BRADLEY COOPER BAR HIS SOUL TO WORLDWI MOVIE DIENC VIA A STAR IS BORN, THE REMAKE HE -WROTE, DIRECTED, AND STARS OPPOSE LADY GAGA. COOPER WAS SO MTED TO THE PROJECT THAT HE LOGGED HUNDREDS OF HOURS LEARNG TO PLAY THE GUAR AND SG WELL ENOUGH TO PERFORM AT COACHELLA AND GLASTONBURY WHOUT BEG BOOED OFFSTAGE. HE ANALYZED HIS DREAMS, RE-PURPOSG CERTA IMAG AND IAS FOR ART. HE ED HIS OWN PA AND ADDICTN—WHICH HE HAS BEEN RELUCTANT TO DISCS TERVIEWS—TO ANCHOR HIS HEART-ACHG ROLE AS AN ADDICT WHO, SPE OF HIS ARTISTIC TALENT, IS BROKEN SI. HE SPENT HOURS TERVIEWG LADY GAGA WH HIS -WRER ERIC ROTH TO ENSURE THAT HER CHARACTER, ALLY, WAS THENTIC TO GAGA’S OWN STGGL. HE FILLED HIS ST WH PEOPLE WHO MEANT SOMETHG SPECIAL TO HIM—CLUDG HIS OWN EAR DOCTOR! HE RPORATED SUBTLE, SWEET HOMAG TO PREV VERSNS OF HOLLYWOOD’S FAVORE LOVE STORY. AS TAFFY BROSSER-AKNER WROTE FOR THE NEW YORK TIM, “EVERY TAIL OF [THE FILM] OM A TE THG—SOMETHG HE’S LEARNED, SOMETHG HE’S SEEN, SOMETHG HE KNOWS FOR SURE.”AS A PUBLIC SERVICE TO BETTER UNRSTAND COOPER AND HIS MAGNUM OP, WE PILED SOME OF THE EASTER EGGS, HOMAG, AND BRADLEY-ISMS THAT THE STAR-SLASH-DIRECTOR LOVGLY PLANTED HIS VERSN OF A STAR IS BORN. TO PARAPHRASE THE “SHALLOW” LYRICS BELTED OUT BY COOPER’S JACKSON AND GAGA’S ALLY AT A STADIUM MIC: WE’RE OFF THE EP END; WATCH AS WE DIVE .A JUDY GARLAND HOMAGEGARLAND’S STARRG ROLE 1954’S A STAR IS BORN EARNED HER AN OSR NOMATN. AND THE EARLY MOMENTS OF COOPER’S REMAKE, LADY GAGA PAYS SUBTLE TRIBUTE TO HER PRECSOR BY HUMMG “SOMEWHERE OVER THE RABOW.” IT IS DURG THIS RIFF THAT THE MOVIE’S TLE APPEARS KLIEG LIGHTS—AN ATHETIC NOD TO THE REMAK BEFORE .THE DRAG-BAR SIGNIFINCEEACH A STAR IS BORN FEATUR A DIFFERENT MEET-CUTE FOR S LEAD CHARACTERS. AFTER GAGA TOLD COOPER ABOUT HER EARLY DAYS PERFORMG DRAG BARS MANHATTAN’S LOWER EAST SI, COOPER CID TO SET THE UPLE’S NSEQUENTIAL MEETG AT A DRAG BAR—A KD OF TRIBUTE TO HIS LEADG LADY’S EARLY DAYS AND HER GAY FAN BASE. AS GAGA SAID AT THE TORONTO FILM FTIVAL, “I MAKE A JOKE SOMETIM: BEHD EVERY FEMALE IN IS A GAY MAN. I REALLY WOULDN’T BE HERE WHOUT THE GAY MUNY, WHAT THEY HAVE TGHT ME ABOUT LOVE AND ACCEPTANCE AND BRAVERY.”COOPER ALSO TOOK GAGA UP ON HER STG SUGGTNS FOR DRAG-BAR PERFORMERS, CLUDG WILLAM BELLI AND D.J. “SHANGELA” PIERCE. BELLI TOLD BTLE THAT COOPER ENTSTED THEM TO IMPROV THEIR SCEN, SAYG, “YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT GO ON A DRAG DRSG ROOM BETTER THAN ME, DO YOUR THG.’ HE JT LET ME GO OFF AND DO A BUNCH OF JOK.”ACRDG TO THE PLAYLIST, COOPER WAS SO PLEASED WH BELLI AND PIERCE’S WORK—THEIR SCEN ARE HILAR AND HEARTWARMG—THAT HE NVCED THEM TO RETURN TO SET AND FILM MORE THAN WHAT WAS ORIGALLY SCRIPTED. ONE SUCH BON SCENE FEATUR JACKSON—WHILE WAG FOR GAGA TO CHANGE CLOTH—PERFORMG FOR SHANGELA AS SHE UNTS OUT HER MONEY AFTER THE BAR HAS CLOSED.EYEBROWS: A BRIEF HISTORYEYEBROWS HAVE HAD A B PART EVERY ERATN OF A STAR IS BORN. IN THE 1937 ORIGAL, FOR EXAMPLE, JA GAYNOR’S CHARACTER GETS AN ELABORATE STUD MAKEOVER— WHICH THEY PAT ON OBNOX EYEBROWS BEFORE A SCREEN TT.MOST POPULARAND JT LIKE THAT: MICHAEL PATRICK KG KNOWS WHEN THE AUDIENCE TURNED ON CHE DIAZBY CHRIS MURPHYHOW MADONNA TURNED THE LEAGUE OF THEIR OWN SET INTO A THREE-RG CIRCBY ER CARLSONSARA RAMIREZ ISSU STHG RPONSE TO ANTI–CHE DIAZ PROFILEBY SAVANNAH WALSHJUDY GARLAND’S CHARACTER RECEIV SUCH AN AWFUL STUD MAKEOVER THE 1954 VERSN THAT JAM MASON’S CHARACTER, GENTLEMAN THAT HE IS, PERSONALLY HELPS HER REMOVE THE HEO FACE PAT, FX EYEBROWS CLUD. (IN THE BELOW GIF, HE SENTIALLY DO EXACTLY WHAT COOPER DID TO GAGA DURG THAT OFT-TOLD MAKP WIPE ENUNTER.)THE FABULOLY MPY 1976 VERSN FLIPPED GENR ROL FOR S BIG BROW MOMENT: BARBRA STREISAND BEDAZZLG KRIS KRISTOFFERSON’S EYEBROW WHILE THE BATHTUB. (SHE ALSO APPLI ROUGE TO HIS CHEEKS AND TELLS HIM, “OOOH, YOU’RE SO PRETTY.”) IT WAS A HEAD-SCRATCHG MOMENT—AN HOMAGE JAMMED TO THE FILM WHOUT ANY NTEXT. BUT THERE WAS AN EVEN MORE W.T.F. ELEMENT TO THE SCENE THAT PULLS FOC: THE FACT THAT THEIR ROMANTIC, FACE-BEDAZZLG BATH IS L BY NDL STUFFED TO SCHLZ BEER NS.MOST POPULARAND JT LIKE THAT: MICHAEL PATRICK KG KNOWS WHEN THE AUDIENCE TURNED ON CHE DIAZBY CHRIS MURPHYHOW MADONNA TURNED THE LEAGUE OF THEIR OWN SET INTO A THREE-RG CIRCBY ER CARLSONSARA RAMIREZ ISSU STHG RPONSE TO ANTI–CHE DIAZ PROFILEBY SAVANNAH WALSHWHEN JACKSON FIRST SE ALLY PERFORMG, SHE IS SGG ÉDH PIAF’S “LA VIE EN ROSE” FULL PIAF MAKP AT THE DRAG BAR. (THE FIRST TIME COOPER SAW GAGA PERFORM, SHE WAS ALSO SGG “LA VIE EN ROSE.” COOPER WAS SO EMOTNALLY WRECKED OM HER BETIFUL RENDN THAT HE PUT THE SONG THE FILM—LETTG DIENC IALLY LAY EY ON GAGA THE SAME WAY HE DID.) LATER, BACKSTAGE, JACKSON PEELS OFF ALLY’S FAKE EYEBROWS AND PEPPERS HER WH QUTNS ABOUT HER MAKP APPLITN—QUERI THAT GAGA SAID SPRANG OM COOPER’S GENUE CURSY.“I REMEMBER HAVG A WHOLE NVERSATN WH HIM ABOUT SOAPG THE BROW, HOW YOU GET THE EYEBROW TO STAY DOWN,” GAGA TOLD VULTURE TORONTO. “YOU PAT WH POWR AND THEN YOU N’T SEE . ALL OF THE LTLE TAILS.”IN A NOD TO THE STREISAND-KRISTOFFERSON MAKP MOMENT, ALLY AND JACKSON LATER SHARE A BATH—DURG WHICH ALLY APPLI MASRA AND THE SAME TAPED-ON EYEBROW TO JACKSON. THANKFULLY, THERE IS NOT A SGLE SCHLZ-N NDLE SIGHT.A NOTE ABOUT GAGA’S NOSEFACE-TOUCHG, FOR WHATEVER REASON, HAS BEEN A THG A STAR IS BORN MOVI. SEE:MOST POPULARAND JT LIKE THAT: MICHAEL PATRICK KG KNOWS WHEN THE AUDIENCE TURNED ON CHE DIAZBY CHRIS MURPHYHOW MADONNA TURNED THE LEAGUE OF THEIR OWN SET INTO A THREE-RG CIRCBY ER CARLSONSARA RAMIREZ ISSU STHG RPONSE TO ANTI–CHE DIAZ PROFILEBY SAVANNAH WALSHIN COOPER’S REMAKE, MOST OF THE FACE-TOUCHG RELAT TO GAGA’S NOSE—A FEATURE ABOUT WHICH BOTH GAGA AND HER CHARACTER ALLY FEEL SECURE.“ALMOST EVERY SGLE PERSON I’VE E NTACT WH THE MIC DTRY HAS TOLD ME THAT MY NOSE IS TOO BIG AND THAT I WON’T MAKE ,” ALLY TELLS JACKSON, A STATEMENT SPIRED BY THE REAL-LIFE SCTY GAGA FACED AS AN UP-AND-G ARTIST.“I WAS TOLD WHEN I WAS FIRST STARTG OUT THAT I SHOULD GET A NOSE JOB,” GAGA HAS SAID. IN AN TERVIEW WH THE LOS ANGEL TIM, GAGA FURTHER ELABORATED: “WHEN MY CHARACTER TALKS ABOUT HOW UGLY SHE FEELS—THAT WAS REAL. I’M SO SECURE. I LIKE TO PREACH, BUT I DON’T ALWAYS PRACTICE WHAT I PREACH.”IN THE FILM, JACKSON REASSUR GAGA, “I THK YOUR NOSE IS BETIFUL.” IN FACT, JACKSON SPENDS SO MUCH TIME FAWNG OVER ALLY’S BIGGT SECURY THAT THE INTER HAS ALREADY GENERATED MULTIPLE THK PIEC ON JACKSON’S FEELGS FOR ALLY’S NOSE THE HOURS SCE THE FILM PREMIERED.CHARLIE 101THE DOG THAT ALLY AND JACKSON ADOPT IS NOT JT ANY DOG. HE IS BRADLEY COOPER’S REAL-LIFE DOG. AND HIS STG WAS PERSONALLY IMPORTANT TO COOPER.COURTY OF WARNER BROS. PICTUR.MOST POPULARAND JT LIKE THAT: MICHAEL PATRICK KG KNOWS WHEN THE AUDIENCE TURNED ON CHE DIAZBY CHRIS MURPHYHOW MADONNA TURNED THE LEAGUE OF THEIR OWN SET INTO A THREE-RG CIRCBY ER CARLSONSARA RAMIREZ ISSU STHG RPONSE TO ANTI–CHE DIAZ PROFILEBY SAVANNAH WALSHON NPR, COOPER EXPLAED THAT THERE “WERE LTLE THGS THAT I DID, CREATED, ORR TO KEEP MY [LATE] FATHER CLOSE, ONE OF THEM BEG THAT OUR DOG THE MOVIE’S NAME IS CHARLIE, WHICH IS MY FATHER’S NAME.” COOPER FURTHER EXPLAED THE STG TO PEOPLE: “[JACKSON AND ALLY] DON’T HAVE A CHILD TOGETHER, BUT THEY HAVE A DOG TOGETHER, AND I WANTED TO BE PART OF THEIR STORY. I LOVE DOGS.”COOPER HAS JOKED THAT THE ROLE HAS GONE TO CHARLIE’S HEAD, ADPANNG, “HE HAS AN AGENT. I DON’T TALK TO HIM MUCH ANYMORE. HE DON’T RETURN MY LLS.”THE EAR DOCTORIN COOPER’S A STAR IS BORN, JACKSON SUFFERS OM TN, A NDN THAT NTRIBUT TO HEARG LOSS AND MAK DIFFICULT FOR HIM TO SG. COOPER WAS SO TERMED TO REALISTILLY PICT THE NDN THAT HE NSULTED WH HIS OWN EAR DOCTOR—WILLIAM SLATTERY III, M.D., PRINT OF THE HOE EAR CLIC LOS ANGEL—AND EVEN GAVE HIM A MEO THE FILM. IN AN TERVIEW WH THE CUT’S KELLY CONABOY, SLATTERY SEEMED AS SURPRISED ABOUT THIS STG FLOURISH AS YOU LIKELY ARE. (“FOR SOMEBODY DOG EAR SURGERY ALL THE TIME, THIS WAS A VERY DIFFERENT WORLD TO BE .”) COOPER WAS SO PLEASED WH SLATTERY’S MEO THAT HE EVEN NAME-CHECKED THE DOCTOR WHILE TRODUCG THE MOVIE AT THE LOS ANGEL PREMIERE.MORE FRIENDS & FAY CASTGCOOPER’S SUPPORTG ST IS FILLED WH PEOPLE NEAR AND AR TO HIS HEART, CLUDG DAVE CHAPPELLE, WHOM COOPER MET SEVERAL YEARS AGO LONDON, WHEN COOPER WAS PERFORMG ONSTAGE THE ELEPHANT MAN. AFTER CHAPPELLE SAW COOPER’S SHOW, THE DUO STAYED UP UNTIL 4:30 A.M. TALKG AND EVENTUALLY EXCHANGED NUMBERS. THEIR DYNAMIC WAS SO “SPECIAL,” SO “THENTIC,” THAT COOPER WANTED TO GIVE HIS CHARACTER A TE-BLUE IEND THAT WASN’T ONLY LIKE CHAPPELLE, BUT WAS PLAYED BY HIM. SO COOPER FLEW TO OH TWICE TO NVCE THE EDIAN TO MAKE AN ACTG EBACK HIS MOVIE. (THE FILMMAKER EVEN END UP STG CHAPPELLE’S REAL-LIFE DGHTER SANAA AS HIS CHARACTER’S DGHTER.) AFTER CHAPPELLE FALLY SAW A STAR IS BORN AT THE TORONTO FILM FTIVAL, HE WAS BLOWN AWAY BY WHAT HIS IEND HAD MA: “TONIGHT IS THE FIRST TIME I’VE SEEN MYSELF A GOOD-ASS MOVIE,” HE MARVELED AFTER THE PREMIERE.MOST POPULARAND JT LIKE THAT: MICHAEL PATRICK KG KNOWS WHEN THE AUDIENCE TURNED ON CHE DIAZBY CHRIS MURPHYHOW MADONNA TURNED THE LEAGUE OF THEIR OWN SET INTO A THREE-RG CIRCBY ER CARLSONSARA RAMIREZ ISSU STHG RPONSE TO ANTI–CHE DIAZ PROFILEBY SAVANNAH WALSHCOOPER ALSO ST FORMER ALIAS -STARS RON RIFK (AS THE HEAD OF A REHAB FACILY JACKSON CHECKS TO) AND GREG GNBERG (AS JACKSON’S LIMO DRIVER). HE PICKED ANDREW DICE CLAY—WHOSE ALBUM COOPER MEMORIZED 8TH GRA—TO PLAY GAGA’S ON-SCREEN FATHER. COOPER’S GRAD-SCHOOL BUDDY GABE FAZ PLAYS TOMMY. HE ALSO ST DRENA DE NIRO, DGHTER OF HIS SILVER LGS PLAYBOOK -STAR ROBERT DE NIRO, AS CHAPPELLE’S SCREEN WIFE.70S COSTUME NOSTALGIASTREISAND FAMOLY WORE HER OWN CLOTHG FOR THE 1976 REMAKE—WH THE ON-SCREEN CRED FABULOLY READG, “MS. STREISAND’S CLOTH OM . . . HER CLOSET.”ER BENACH, WHO SIGNED THE STUM FOR COOPER’S A STAR IS BORN, ED THE 70S AS AN FLUENCE FOR JACKSON’S BPOKE SHIRTS AND BELT. BENACH, MEANWHILE, TELEGRAPHED ALLY’S TRANSFORMATN THROUGH STUME, BEGNG WH T-SHIRTS AND JEANS AND BUILDG UP TO HIGH-SIGNER FASHN ONCE ALLY FDS FAME. ACRDG TO THE FILM’S PRODUCTN NOT, BENACH ALSO BED VTAGE STOR FOR ALLY’S CLOSET. THE CHARACTER’S WEDDG DRS SEEMS TO BE A NOD TO STREISAND’S OWN BOHEMIAN BRIDAL LOOK.MOST POPULARAND JT LIKE THAT: MICHAEL PATRICK KG KNOWS WHEN THE AUDIENCE TURNED ON CHE DIAZBY CHRIS MURPHYHOW MADONNA TURNED THE LEAGUE OF THEIR OWN SET INTO A THREE-RG CIRCBY ER CARLSONSARA RAMIREZ ISSU STHG RPONSE TO ANTI–CHE DIAZ PROFILEBY SAVANNAH WALSHDENSTCTG JACKSONCOOPER HAS EXPLAED THAT HIS UNTRY-ROCK SGER IS AN AMALGAMATN OF FLUENC. HIS CHARACTER’S BACKSTORY IS PARTIALLY SPIRED BY A LE BCE SPRGSTEEN’S TOBGRAPHY ABOUT HOW THE ROCKER “TOOK HIS FATHER’S VOICE.” IN AN TERVIEW WH VANY FAIR AT THE TORONTO FILM FTIVAL, COOPER SAID THAT, GROWG UP, HE WANTED TO BE HIS FATHER. SO HE TOOK THE TWO SENTIMENTS AND CREATED A HEARTBREAKG STORY LE BETWEEN JACKSON AND HIS MUCH-OLR BROTHER/FATHER FIGURE, PLAYED BY SAM ELLTT. COOPER WAS SO SET ON ELLTT -STARRG THE FILM THAT THE ACTOR TRAED WH A VOL ACH TO APPROXIMATE ELLTT’S WBOY TWANG BEFORE EVEN APPROACHG THE ACTOR. (ELLTT WAS SO TOUCHED BY COOPER’S WORK THAT HE AGREED TO THE ROLE.)AS FOR THE SHAGGY-HAIRED LOOK AND ROCK-STAR SWAGGER, COOPER SPENT SEVERAL DAYS SHADOWG PEARL JAM ONTMAN EDDIE VEDR SEATTLE. CERTA MANNERISMS WERE SPIRED BY DREAMS—LIKE THE WAY COOPER CSH HIS PILLS WH THE HEELS OF HIS BOOTS.WHILE UNTRY SGERS TYPILLY PUT HATS ON TO PERFORM, COOPER WANTED JACKSON TO DO THE OPPOSE, WEARG HIS HAT MOST OF THE TIME—EXCEPT WHEN HE IS ONSTAGE AND AT HIS MOST VULNERABLE.“JT WANTED TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT YOU”AFTER DROPPG ALLY OFF AT HER HOME FOLLOWG THEIR FIRST EVENG TOGETHER, COOPER’S JACKSON ROLLS DOWN HIS S.U.V. WDOW AND SHOUTS, “HEY.” ALLY TURNS HER FACE BACK TOWARD JACKSON. AND JACKSON LIVERS THE INIC LE, A VARIATN OF WHICH HAS BEEN ED EVERY A STAR IS BORN FILM TO BOOKEND THE CENTRAL LOVE STORY.JULIE MILLER

It’s based on the 1937 mil starrg Ja Gaynor and Fredric March, and the lead rol have been reterpreted by Judy Garland and Jam Mason 1954, then Barbra Streisand and Kris Kristofferson 1976.

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Compani</h2><h4 class="css-qsd3hm">Tech bs have been g onle wrg to velop their chatbots — whout permissn.</h4><time dateTime="2023-07-18T10:00:12.000Z" class="css-1e605">2023-07-18T06:00:12-04:00</time></div><dl class="css-p98d0w"><dt class="css-xx7kwh"></dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">This transcript was created g speech regnn software. While has been reviewed by human transcribers, may nta errors. Please review the episo d before quotg om this transcript and email wh any qutns.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">From “The New York Tim,” I’m Michael Barbaro. This is “The Daily.”</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">[MUSIC PLAYING]</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">Today, to refe their popular technology, new artificial telligence platforms, like ChatGPT, are gobblg up the work of thors, poets, edians and actors, whout their nsent. As my lleague, Sheera Frenkel, found, a rebelln is brewg.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">It’s Tuday, July 18.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">[MUSIC PLAYING]</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">Sheera, is really nice to have you back. It has been far too long.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I agree. It’s great to be back here.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">We are turng to you our ongog and very diligent efforts to unrstand this new era artificial telligence and the bate that is ragg over s like ChatGPT, which have put artificial telligence really at everyone’s fgertips.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">And rrect me if I’m wrong, but really feels like this is shapg up as a clash between those who are really exced about the pabili of s like ChatGPT — you know, what n do next? This is so tertg. And this huge group of people who are jt eaked out about , right? And ’s gog too far, ’s too sry. And we’ve done a lot of episos about this. A recent one looked at stunts who love ChatGPT, bee n do their homework for them, and their teachers and profsors who are like, wa a mute, you’re basilly cheatg.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">And you have been reportg on the latt chapter of this clash between human and mache. So tell about that.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Well, what I’ve been foced on is really jt all the battl over what go to the AI mach. And what mak them powerful, what mak them able to imate human voice is all of the ntent that we’ve put onle over all the years. It’s the poems, and the blogs, and the photographs, and the illtratns that are then pied, and scraped, and fed to the AI mach. It’s what teach them to imate human behavr.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Mm-hmm.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">And the past six months, as this software has bee really powerful and very popular, more and more people have started askg qutns about whether they want their ntent fed to AI mach. And if they don’t want there, if there’s really anythg they n do about .</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So tell who exactly the people are who are askg the qutns.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">They kd of fall to two groups. There are the people who are dog so bee ’s their livelihood. They have a pyright on their material, and they have some kd of legal protectn agast their work.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">The other group are the hobbyists. They’re the people who are wrg stori for the fun of , that are jt creatg art bee they’re passnate about somethg. And they’re puttg stuff out to the ether of the ter. They love . They want to share wh the world. This is jt a te moment of human creativy.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">But, you know, both of the groups are seeg ChatGPT, they’re seeg the AI pani valued at hundreds of lns of dollars, and they’re realizg that their creativy is makg someone else a lot of money. And they’re feelg exploed. They’re feelg like their creativy, their moment of spiratn is beg ed.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So let’s start wh this first group of creativ who sound like they are the big fish bee they have pyright protectn.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right. The are people like actors, animators, wrers, people who make their livelihood by uploadg what they’re dog to the ter. And so they’ve been really alarmed when a ChatGPT along and n produce art their style or n wre a paragraph their style.</p></dd><dl class="css-1jysr6y"><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived rerdg (sarah silverman)</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So I go — I go to the hotel. Super fancy hotel —</p></dd></dl><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Take, for stance, Sarah Silverman.</p></dd><dl class="css-1jysr6y"><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived rerdg (sarah silverman)</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">— and I go to check . Oh, and the lady at the ont sk regnized me. And she was like, oh, my god, I love you. You are my top four all time favore edians.</p></dd></dl><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">She is a edian, an actor, a wrer, who has honed an credibly distctive style over s of workg.</p></dd><dl class="css-1jysr6y"><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived rerdg (sarah silverman)</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">And I was like, you know that I know that means I’m fourth, right?</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">Not walkg away om this like, ooh, maybe I’m send, you know? No.</p></dd></dl><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">And if you go to ChatGPT and say, “Tell me a joke the style of Sarah Silverman”— which is somethg I tried out — really gets her spot on. And she argu that not only has read her jok and read her other onle edy, but that ’s even read this book that she wrote “Betwetter,” which has been upload onle and exists onle versns.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">She appears pretty nvced that ’s sentially learned who she is and what her edic style is. It n mimic her to the gree that you thk is her wrg.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">And I’m gusg ChatGPT likely did that whout askg her permissn.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right. There is no permissns beg asked here bee there are sentially — image the giant mach that are crawlg the ter at all tim. And any data they e across, they llect. They scrape . They don’t know what they’re dog. They’re nvertg to numbers. It’s basilly bee math the systems. And so anythg onle is nstantly beg hoovered up by the mach and fed to AI systems.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">And so for a creative profsnal like Sarah Silverman, that feels credibly threateng terms of their livelihood, their abily to make a livg off of beg an artist wh an pennt voice that’s been honed over s. If a mache n do that, why would you need to pay Sarah Silverman to e and wre your script or pen a edy special?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Mm-hmm. But how n you be so sure that ChatGPT is really stealg om you if you’re someone like Sarah Silverman, or if you’re anybody, really, whose work has been upload by ChatGPT? Bee my gus is that this gets a ltle b sticky. How much of is jt guswork and how much of is really beg rived om sentially borrowed or stolen material?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Defely. I mean, well, to beg wh, there are the reposori where you n go and check and see if your work has been scraped. A lot of artists do this. A lot of wrers do . And they’ll see there that your name will appear or your piece of art will appear. And so for someone like Sarah Silverman, she n go and see, OK, right, my book has been scraped.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">But more specifilly, ’s really jt playg wh this, and ttg out for yourself and toyg wh . I was cur as I was reportg this story, so I went onle and I typed my name. And I said, “Can you wre a paragraph about the danger of onle extremism the voice of Sheera Frenkel?”</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Which is the subject you ver, of urse —</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">— over and over and over aga for “The Tim.”</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Y, exactly. And I’ve wrten books. I’ve been wrg about for over a . It’s out there. My material is out there. And when I tell you that even after knowg about AI for a year, even after verg this topic for a year, I was creeped out at how close got my voice. I uld have easily wrten this sentence.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Expla that. I mean, I’m not on ChatGPT right now, so I n’t replite the search. But what happened when you said, you know, “Wre a paragraph about the subject I know bt, Sheera Frenkel,” and sp out the rults. What about felt so distctively Sheera Frenkel-que?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So I will read to you. So wr this one openg sentence, which is “Onle platforms once hailed as bastns of ee exprsn have bee breedg grounds for hate, radilizatn, and the propagatn of dangero iologi.”</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">That exprsn, “the bastns of ee exprsn,” I’ve ed that. I googled . I ed that an article ls than a year ago and aga an article three years ago. I didn’t even realize that that was a phrase or a turn of phrase that I often ed until ChatGPT repeated back to me.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right. It’s kd of a distctive set of words you’re sayg that you turn to. And jt borrowed om you replitg your work.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Well, knew my bra better than I did. I didn’t realize that that was phrasg I equently ed.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">[lghs]</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">And I had to go to “The New York Tim” archiv to figure out, oh, yeah, ’s right, I do e that. And, oh, my god, I probably ed too often bee this mache has learned about me.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right. And suffice to say, you were not, like Sarah Silverman, nsulted about your work beg scraped by ChatGPT.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Nope. We were never nsulted. And no one at “The New York Tim” was nsulted.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Got . So Sarah Silverman did not like that experience. You scribed as a ltle b eerie. I’m wonrg if ’s a touch flatterg to have ChatGPT borrow your stuff?</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">Or if you worry about the long-term enomic nsequenc of all, which is to say that someday ChatGPT might be able to replite your journalism so brilliantly, that maybe “The Tim” don’t need you on the beat anymore.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Yeah, you know, I’ve actually spent so much time thkg about this. And there’s a part of me that was thkg, oh, god, kd of would be nice when I was done wh reportg to plug my not to a mache and have — there are days where would be nice to have a mache wre my article for me.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">But no, no, I thought about more, and then I was like, yeah, n imate what I’ve already done. But the whole pot of news is that what we’re brgg you is h and based on new reportg. So the nclns we’re drawg for rears are nstantly changg.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">And AI n’t do that. It n only repeat and regurgate what’s already been given to , what’s already the system. And so whatever answer giv you might be what Sheera Frenkel thought about somethg two years ago or five years ago. But won’t be what the newt ia is or the ht reportg has brought rears.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right. It might jt keep tellg the world that you thk somethg’s a bastn of ee exprsn when you thk ’s a bastn of not ee exprsn.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Exactly.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">[lghs]</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">If ’s bee a bastn of hate speech and extremism.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">OK, so what n creativ do about, sentially, this theft, right? What n the Sheera Frenkels and the Sarah Silvermans of the world do, and what are they dog about this problem?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So the creativ wh the pyright, the creativ wh the legal protectn of a pyright n file lawsus. And that’s exactly what we’re seeg happen. There’s been nearly a dozen lawsus that have been filed agast AI pani by everybody om book publishers to dividuals who have pyright protectns.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">And one of them was Sarah Silverman, who got together wh another two thors to sue several AI pani, cludg Meta, which is the parent pany of Facebook, and OpenAI, which is the parent pany of ChatGPT, to say that their work was illegally scraped, and download, and upload to the AI systems.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">And Sheera, what do legal experts thk are the chanc that this kd of a lawsu om a Sarah Silverman will prevail agast a pany like ChatGPT?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Well, you know, this is all brand new. It’s brand new se law. But they know they have to tablish some kd of law or precent gog forward bee this is material wh a pyright. For a lot of artists, books they wrote 10 years ago or 15 years ago, that’s gog to ntue to make them money throughout their liv.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">And y, they’re evolvg nstantly as artists. They want to thk about their material gog forward. They don’t want ChatGPT to wre their jok for them gog forward. But they also want to be paid for the books that have already been published and are already out there.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">And so is the feelg that old school pyright law will provi someone like Sarah Silverman wh the legal protectns that she’s seekg?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Well, the legal experts seem credibly hopeful that there is some kd of pyright protectn here, and that, sentially, some kd of fancial damag will be award, and that some kd of moary value will be placed on the very strong pyright protectns that creative profsnals get.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">The problem is that even if they get that money, even if Meta or OpenAI are forced to pay some kd of damag to Sarah Silverman, the ntent, the data, n never be retrieved. It’s out there. It’s bee numbers and on and zeros fed to a mache. There’s no way to go to , to that mache, and get that data back out. Once ’s , ’s forever.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">And so ultimately, even if they do get that fancial reward through the urt system, and they get the pyright protectn to their material affirmed by the urts, their data is gone. Their data is there forever.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">In other words, the horse is out of the stable. I assume that’s te, Sheera, for , for “The Tim,” for the work of people like you. We n’t retrieve your journalism back om a ChatGPT. So is “The Tim,” like Sarah Silverman, thkg of sug the AI pani?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So “The New York Tim,” to the bt of our knowledge, is not lookg at a lawsu. What we’ve seen “The New York Tim” and other news publishers do is start to thk about how to start chargg for this data gog forward. I mean, “The New York Tim” is creatg tons of ntent every sgle day that the mach want to stay up to date.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">And so they’re really tryg to figure out if there’s some kd of fancial arrangement that n be put to place where the AI pani pay . And ’s not jt news publishers. Webs, like Redd, they’re lookg at licensg their data as well. They’re sayg, this data is herently valuable and we want you to pay for .</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">But look, that’s gog to take a long time for them to e to an agreement. This is a brand new mol. This is a brand new technology. And the meantime, the data is still beg scraped. In the meantime, the systems have all the articl that have already been published. They probably are beg updated on new articl as they e out. And so all this material is still beg fed to the mach as the talks are ongog.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right. And will be for some time. So you’re sayg the pyright protected creators, who would seem to have the strongt posn this equatn, are not really mountg that forceful a phback spe the anger that you’re scribg here.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right. I mean, they are g the urts. They are g the legal system. But as we know, that’s slow. Wag for the urts to take actn, wag for lawyers to hammer out a fancial agreement between a massive news anizatn and an AI pany is a slow procs.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">And what’s tertg for me is that this other group of people that I mentned, those that don’t have a pyright protectn, the hobbyists, the enthiasts, the people that are postg to the ter for the fun of , they’re the on that are leadg the most creative rebelln or revolt agast AI.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">[MUSIC PLAYING]</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">We’ll be right back.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">[MUSIC PLAYING]</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">So Sheera, tell more about this send group of creators who are fightg back agast AI platforms — the hobbyists and amatrs, as you’ve scribed them, who lack the legal pyright protectns of people like you and Sarah Silverman.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So actually a group I spent a lot of time terviewg and thkg about was fan fictn wrers. And for anyone who’s not faiar — bee before I reported this story, I’d never actually read any fanfic, there are —</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Fanfic? Now you’re an thory.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I’m now ep the fandoms. The are people who watch a movie like “Star Wars” and love , but walk away om thkg, what would happen if the ma characters at the end, Kylo Ren and Rey didn’t die? What if they fell love and got married? And I’m really sorry if I’m havg movie spoilers my answers here.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">What would happen if “Buffy the Vampire Slayer,” two of the vampir met high school and had a gay romance? I mean, they take the popular movi and TV shows, and they let their imagatns roam. And they publish the credible — I mean, book-length piec of ntent — about their favore movi and TV shows.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">And, you know, this is not stuff they have any kd of pyright to. If anythg, they’re borrowg om ias and characters that are already out there. But they’re dog for the love of those characters and the storyl that they want to explore their own wrg.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">And how did wrers of fanfictn disver that their work was beg sucked up by platforms like ChatGPT?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So they actually disvered this a really, really funny way, which is that fan fictn, you create your own characters. And some of them have nam like Bucky, which is a batn of several characters om “Buffy the Vampire Slayer.”</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right. [LAUGHS]</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">And so they go to ChatGPT and they type , “Wre me a story about Bucky fallg love wh a vampire. Wre me a story about Bucky on a summer day eatg a popsicle.” And ChatGPT knew who that character was wh great specificy.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">Another example that was actually given to me — and this was the most outrageo example as far as the fanfictn wrers were ncerned — is that there’s this sexual trope, lled the omegaverse, which fan fictn wrers really like to explore. And ’s very, very specific to fanfictn. And ChatGPT knew all about .</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">You’re not gog to tell any more about ?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I’m very nfed about myself.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">[lghs]</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">And I’m pretty new to fanfictn. From what I’ve read, there’s like tentacl volved. And ’s —</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">— I don’t thk ’s appropriate for the podst.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Sure, sure, sure, sure.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">But the pot is there’s no reason an AI mache would know about unls had read and gted their fanfictn wrg.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right. Why would ChatGPT know anythg about this unls was scrapg fanfictn? But Sheera, aren’t the fanfictn wrers postg stuff that’s fair game, right? They don’t have pyright.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I mean, they know they don’t have pyright protectns. But they still feel really, you know, wound. They’re afonted at the ia that the mach have scraped what is, for them, very much a labor of love.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">Some of the fan fictn wrers I spoke to had spent s dog this. They had done as a form of therapy. They had done as an act of love towards the movi and televisn shows that they felt creatively spired by. And they felt like the mach are sentially attackg the very spir of human creativy that they had been prolific about onle.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Hmm. Right. This is not necsarily their full time job. This is not how they make money. But you’re sayg taps to, some ways, who they are. It’s part of their inty. And so, on a moral level, they n’t tolerate ChatGPT jt stealg .</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right. Many of them have day jobs where they make money. But their love, their passn is gog to this fan fictn. And they’ve tablished the really tertg ternal l on the foms where they post, where if one person imat another or borrows om another whout attributn, ’s nsired outrageo. They are booted om the muny. They are exmunited.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">They really have a lot of honor how they operate onle. And they want that to be rpected by the mach. And so li of that, they’ve had to get really, really creative about how they rebel or how they revolt agast the AI systems.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">And how creative have they gotten? What are they dog?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right. So I mean, for stance, one of the first protts they lnched is they got together and started feedg jt absolute nonsense to ChatGPT. They figured if you’re gog to scrape our material, we’re gog to give you total irreverent nonsense to nfe you so you don’t unrstand our characters, you don’t unrstand our storyle, and you nnot mimic what we do.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So they n’t sue, but they n gum up the works. They n basilly jt shove sticks and ston to this mache and try to grd out the gears.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Exactly. I mean, they had to thk creatively. And so they thought, if you want our material, here’s our material. We’re gog to give you nonsense.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">And do that tactic work?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I mean, n if they do enough of . And they seem pretty mted and passnate about dog this. But they haven’t stopped there. A lot of them have also started makg their ntent private or removg om the web entirely. And so their thkg is, you know, until now they’ve shared all this eely, but if the mach are gog to e and scrape what they do, they’re gog to start lockg down.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">OK. Both of the techniqu, though, would seem to be pretty unterproductive if you’re the bs of creatg fan fictn. The first one jt creat a bunch of gibberish, which no one wants to read if you like fan fictn. The send one would lim who n view the fan fictn you wre. So aren’t the rebellns agast plac like ChatGPT jt hurtg the fan fictn muny? Aren’t they jt shootg themselv the foot?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I mean, to a certa gree. And a lot of them say they kd of feel like they are, the short-term, dog somethg that go agast the entire spir of fan fictn. But they feel helpls. And so I thk, at this pot, they’re jt throwg darts at the wall to see what sticks and what works.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">A lot of them have been the muni for a long time, and so their thkg is, well, I might only get to share my wrg wh a uple dozen people, stead of a uple thoand, but at least the mach won’t get me.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So don’t really feel like eher of the two groups, Sheera, that we’ve been talkg about here — the group wh pyright protectns and the amatrs who don’t have pyright protectns — neher of them seem to be much of a match for the AI platforms and stoppg them om scrapg their work.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">So that mak me thk that if you’re one of the wrers, the better solutn would be for the US ernment to step wh some simple regulatn that says, ChatGPT, for example, you n’t upload this work unls you pay for . And I know the ernment is havg the nversatns. There have been lots of ngrsnal heargs. So is that a possibily? The ernment says, no uploadg unls you pay the wrers and the creators.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Well, ’s te that the US ernment is havg talks wh all of the AI pani. But we have to remember that we’re still wag for the US ernment to take actn and e up wh some kd of regulatn about social media that’s been around for over a .</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Mhm.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">The US ernment is very, very slow-actg. And the vast majory of members of Congrs are still wrappg their head around how this technology even works. And so whatever they do is years ahead. And ’s gog to be tempered by the fact that they don’t want to hold back the pani too much.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Mhm. Expla that.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">The US ernment se self an arms race, at the moment, agast Cha when to AI. Both Cha and the Uned Stat have a lot of scientists that are vted this. They have a lot of tert beg the world lears artificial telligence.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">And so they know that every b of regulatn they put place potentially holds back those US pani, as opposed to Cha, where there’s very ltle regulatn on data and where there’s a ton of data onle that the Che ernment n easily accs and even give to Che AI pani if they want to speed ahead what’s nsired the AI arms race between the US and Cha.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So the US ernment might have an tert actually sidg wh the AI platforms over the creators bee mak more petive agast our rivals.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Yeah. I mean, they don’t want to hamper US AI pani to the pot where they fall behd Cha.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Hmm. In which se, feels like the only way for creative typ and for publishg platforms, like “The Tim,” to fight back is to fight back really on their own, for the next however many years. And I’m cur, Sheera, if, your reportg, you thk the plats of the Sarah Silvermans and the publishg platforms is actually gog to make the general public sympathetic and lead to a larger sle phback agast the ChatGPT-like platforms, or if the realy is jt that people like the thgs, they’re exced about them, and that’s gog to overri any of the worri that we’re talkg about.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I mean, look, right now the people that are angry are the people that n see that their work has been pied or scraped and regurgated. It’s people who are already seeg that the mach have gted their work and n py their voic a really realistic way. And we don’t know what’s gog to happen gog forward.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">I mean, pani like Google and Facebook are still cidg on how they’re gog to tra their AI. And what happens if Facebook’s AI cis to tra on your data, and n fd posts that you wrote 10 years ago when you were llege and sound jt like you, or if Google cis to read your email and your Google docs, and n say, hey, this is what Michael sounds like when he’s planng a vatn wh his fay? Is the creeps factor then that much more that all of feel like our souls are beg replited by mach?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right. And do that mean that sudnly we are all the fan fictn wrer? We are all Sarah Silverman. We are all sudnly seeg the platforms slowly suckg a versn of out and and givg to the world a way that is very weird.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right. Do bee a “Black Mirror” episo? It’s unclear. But uld be that the AI systems are so extremely eful and beneficial for our liv that none of re. Bee at one pot, people were really mad about Facebook suckg up their data and servg them ads and Google dog the same. And then we ultimately cid that they provid such a eful service that was OK wh that they sucked up our data. And we’re really jt the begng of this technology. And so we don’t know yet.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">[MUSIC PLAYING]</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">You know, one of the fanfic wrers I spoke to actually put a really lovely way that — she was the middle of wrg this new piece of fictn, and happened to be about AI robots vers humans. And she stopped midway through wrg bee she didn’t want to post onle and feed more to the mache.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">But she said that where she’s stuck and the thought she’s really stuck on is that this piece of fictn she was wrg, not every AI robot was bad. Some of them were helpful. Some of them were nice. Some of them were good. And some of them were evil. And was really about how the rporatns behd those robots e them that cid whether they were good or evil.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">And so she felt like she jt had so many qutns about the pani nng the AI, and how they’re g the data, and how they’re gog to license , and what value is gog to be — all the qutns are swirlg around her head. And ’s like, are the robots good or bad? We don’t know yet, and so we don’t feel fortable wh them.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">And so did she end up postg any of the story onle?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">No, she has not posted yet. I thk she still has too many qutns.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Well, Sheera, thank you very much. We appreciate .</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Thank you for havg me. [MUSIC PLAYING]</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">We’ll be right back.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">[MUSIC PLAYING]</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">Here’s what else you need to know today — on Monday, Rsia said would end an agreement that had allowed Ukrae to export lns of tons of gra to the rt of the world, threateng global food pric and the food supply dozens of untri that rely on the gra.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">The year-old agreement, known as the “Black Sea Gra Iniative,” was a succsful attempt to lim the global repercsns of Rsia’s war on Ukrae. But Rsia has repeatedly plaed that the agreement favored Ukrae over s own people.</p></dd><dl class="css-1jysr6y"><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived rerdg 1</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I eply regret the cisn by the Rsian Feratn to termate the implementatn of the “Black Sea Iniative.”</p></dd></dl><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Durg a news nference, the head of the Uned Natns said that Rsia’s cisn would e unnecsary sufferg across the world.</p></dd><dl class="css-1jysr6y"><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived rerdg 1</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Today’s cisn by the Rsian Feratn will strike a blow to people need everywhere.</p></dd></dl><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">And smoke om wildfir Canada is returng to the US this week. By Monday afternoon, was affectg about 72 ln Amerins across 29 stat, om the Dakotas to New York. Nearly 900 wildfir are burng across Canada. Of those, the Canadian ernment says that more than 500 of them are burng out of s ntrol.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">[MUSIC PLAYING]</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">Today’s episo was produced by Clare Toeniskoetter, Rob Szypko and Mooj Zadie. It was eded by Devon Taylor wh help om Lisa Chow, ntas origal mic by Elisheba Ittoop, and was engeered by Alyssa Moxley. Our theme mic is by Jim Bnberg and Ben Landsverk of Wonrly.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">[MUSIC PLAYING]</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">That’s for “The Daily.” I’m Michael Barbaro. 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