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The more I read and learned about the characters, the more I thought 'd make for a really tertg film about—all the sndal asi—four people tryg to fd their place this world and playg wh inty: nocent Sean beg porn star Brent and straight suburban Stephen beg a mi-porn kg. I thought 'd make for a really tertg and different kd of film</p><p data-no-id="14" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong data-redactor-tag="strong">I wanted to talk about that difference, bee sometim LGBT films are asked to look at storyl and characters through a que limed, ed often always posive, lens. But <em data-redactor-tag="em" data-verified="redactor">Kg Cobra</em> is obvly much more plited than that, and I was cur whether those issu were your md? </strong></p><p data-no-id="16" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong data-redactor-tag="strong">JK: </strong>A ltle b. But there really wasn't a sire to fd somethg like this. It's jt really about fdg somethg and thkg, "That's so fascatg and I want to know more." And if I want to know more, I wonr if other people want to know more. So far that seems to be the se. But wh the qutns that keep g up prs-wise, do make me realize that high school the kd of queer films that I watched would've been a part of a New Queer wave: G Van Sant's <em data-redactor-tag="em" data-verified="redactor">Mala Noche</em>, Todd Hayn's <em data-redactor-tag="em" data-verified="redactor">Poison</em>, a bunch of Almodóvar films. And the se of Van Sant and Todd Hayn, we thk of them now as very rpected Hollywood filmmakers, but G's first film was about this queer street worker. They were not the upliftg LGBT stori wh happy endgs. I remember they would talk about sayg that 's important to be unapologetic your approach to tellg queer stori. 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I was cur to hear what you mean by that and what eventually led you to, as were, plunge headfirst to the project? </strong></p><p data-no-id="22" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong data-redactor-tag="strong">Christian Slater: </strong>I'd worked wh Jam Fran <em data-redactor-tag="em" data-verified="redactor">The Adrall Diari</em>. We got along well there. I really enjoyed workg wh him and I've always found him to be fantastic and a great actor, somebody I wanted to work wh more. We were lookg for another project to do together and he prented me wh this. Hontly, I was very exced about . I jt thought, "Well this is unual, and 's fely outsi of my fort zone." I don't thk 's somethg anybody else would necsarily thk of me for. I also really liked the character. I thought he was human and not stereotypil a lot of ways—jt somebody I uld really intify wh. Then I met wh Jt and he shared wh me that he was gog to handle everythg wh digny and grace. I felt very fortable wh him. He shared that Jam would be dog the majory of the heavy liftg and then I got very petive about that.</p><p data-no-id="24" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong data-redactor-tag="strong">In terms of…?</strong></p><p data-no-id="26" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong data-redactor-tag="strong">CS: </strong>I didn't want Jam to be the one gettg to do everythg, you know? </p><p data-no-id="28" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong data-redactor-tag="strong">JK: </strong>Sex scen-wise.</p><p data-no-id="30" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong data-redactor-tag="strong">CS: </strong>We talked about that. I thk once I mted, I wanted to be as vted as I uld possibly be and not allow whatever fears or anxieti or judgments I had to get the way. I wanted to ph all that bullsh asi and jt walk through that. And then I met Garrett and all of a sudn beme very, very easy. It was an immediate man-csh thg.</p><p data-no-id="32" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong data-redactor-tag="strong">JK: </strong>When Garrett first walked on set he jt had this skimpy unrwear on and perfectly even sk. He was, as you said, jt a betiful kid. You look at him and you're like, "OK, here we go!"</p><p data-no-id="34" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong data-redactor-tag="strong">CS: </strong>I did always feel very fortable wh him. And he jt had a great attu about . I felt very safe. I was very lucky to be [Jt's] hands and be Garrett's hands while dog this. 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Amerin filmmakg remas, to a certa gree, rather pdish, and I was cur to hear what kds of nversatns you guys had about how far to go terms of nudy and sexual ntent given, of urse, the subject matter at hand. </strong></p><p data-no-id="40" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong data-redactor-tag="strong">JK: </strong>Yeah, I pretty much told everyone that we n't shy away om . Even though the film is much more than about gay porn, if we were to shy away om sex we'd all get sh for . It was fely important to clu , but a way that was not lewd. </p><p data-no-id="42" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong data-redactor-tag="strong">CS: </strong>Or gratuo.</p><p data-no-id="44" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong data-redactor-tag="strong">JK: </strong>You know, great films like <em data-redactor-tag="em" data-verified="redactor">Shortb</em> have real sex scen, or there are films that show full ontal and 's great.</p><p data-no-id="46" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong data-redactor-tag="strong">CS: </strong>Like <em data-redactor-tag="em" data-verified="redactor">Nymphomaniac</em>.</p><p data-no-id="48" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong data-redactor-tag="strong">JK: </strong>I keep fettg you were that! [<em data-redactor-tag="em" data-verified="redactor">Lghs</em>] Which are great, but I jt didn't feel right for this. Like the sex scen need to be realistic—which I thk they are—but I didn't feel you need to show full ontal or to have real sex or anythg. I jt told everyone that we would do whatever each actor was fortable wh. I thk the only person I talked to -pth was Garrett, bee his character is the porn star, so I fely told him that he need to be extremely fortable and that I uldn't work wh someone who on set is gog to eak out when they're fully naked and wearg nothg but what they lled ck socks—I never knew that term until this film and I love ! I uld tell when we were havg lunch about this that he was ready for somethg different, and I knew that he was not gonna be aaid of that.</p><p data-no-id="50" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong data-redactor-tag="strong">CS: </strong>He was fearls. That was probably the most helpful thg. He was fearls, which ma me feel fearls. And [Jt] was fearls, so that was the vibe on set. My character has some l that I uld really intify wh, too. I mean, one particular: "It's fun to play wh who we are"—to try on different inti. And that is the rponsibily of the artist, of the actor, to hab the rol and put on somebody else's sho. It's the rponsibily and the gift of what is I get the opportuny to do.</p><div size="medium" data-embed="body-image" data-no-id="52" class="align-center size-medium embed css-1736von e1xqj1sx4"><div class="css-uwraif e1xqj1sx3"><div class="css-p7qblm ewcw41w0"><img alt="Fger, Wrist, Wrkle, Thumb, Gture, Portra photography, Portra, Pleased, " tle="Fger, Wrist, Wrkle, Thumb, Gture, Portra photography, Portra, Pleased, " loadg="lazy" width="1000" height="553" dg="async" data-nimg="1" style="lor: transparent; width: 100%; height: to;" siz="100vw" srcSet=" 640w, 980w, 1120w, 1200w, 1920w" src="" class="css-0 exi4f7p0" /><a target="_blank" rel="noopener" href="//" class="ptert css-1i6sckr e1c1bym14"><img data-dynamic-svg src="/_assets/sign-tokens/e/static/ins/social/" loadg="lazy" alt="ptert in" height="to" width="to" class="css-1l3i1cl ewcw41w1" /></a></div><div class="css-swqnqv e1xqj1sx2"><figptn class="css-1am3yn9 enfs9c50"><span class="css-1mcfn5x e6iqd2">IFC Films</span></figptn></div></div></div><p data-no-id="54" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong data-redactor-tag="strong">You'd talked earlier about how you uldn't see anyone seeg you this role and yet as I was watchg, all I uld thk of was <em data-redactor-tag="em" data-verified="redactor">Heathers</em>. That is another film centered on a murr that has queer unrton and has bee this gay cult film. </strong></p><p data-no-id="56" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong data-redactor-tag="strong">CS: </strong>[<em data-redactor-tag="em" data-verified="redactor">Lghs</em>] "I love my ad gay son." It's credible!</p><p data-no-id="58" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong data-redactor-tag="strong">I wonred whether those typ of referenc—Jt, you also st Molly Rgwald and Alicia Silverstone—were your md as you were creatg the film, knowg that they'd be brgg the past performanc and films to bear on ? </strong></p><p data-no-id="60" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong data-redactor-tag="strong">JK: </strong>No, all me together much more anilly. I do get asked that a lot—that there's an tent here to put Christian and Molly here together. But no. I immediately thought of Christian bee <em data-redactor-tag="em" data-verified="redactor">Adrall Diari</em> shot right before [my prev film] <em data-redactor-tag="em" data-verified="redactor">I Am Michael</em>, and I remember thkg, "Oh, Jam and Christian together..." And you know, I'm a huge <em data-redactor-tag="em" data-verified="redactor">Heathers</em>/<em data-redactor-tag="em" data-verified="redactor">Te Romance</em> fan. I obvly thought he wouldn't do . But luckily I had Jam to say, "I'll subm to him and let's see what happens." And hontly everyone me together om remendatns. And I told them that this was gog to be ls about the sex and more about the really tertg characters and to unrstand why they did what they did.</p><p data-no-id="62" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong data-redactor-tag="strong">CS: </strong>As we've been sayg, you uld set this story agast any backdrop, really. At the end of the day, 's a story about obssn and sire, and stggle. All of the subject matters that are intifiable, but 's not necsary that was set this gay porn world. There's so much hypocrisy and judgment about that. But this is a multi-billn dollar dtry, so clearly people are watchg. 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Would you agree? </strong></p><p data-no-id="68" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong data-redactor-tag="strong">JK: </strong>I never thought of that way, but y. It sounds very naïve, but there's obvly gog to be a very different rponse abroad. But when we screened this London, the rponse was pretty siar. Lghs and gasps and that sort of thg. But is sort of this Amerin Dream of tryg to go after everythg bigger and better and shier and make more and more money. That was Joe and Harlow's ma goal: they jt wanted to be rich—by any means possible.</p><p data-no-id="70" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong data-redactor-tag="strong">In terms of that I also wanted to know what the reactns have been like to the film, pecially given that you're alg here wh real-life stori. </strong></p><p data-no-id="72" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong data-redactor-tag="strong">JK: </strong>Well, no one who's portrayed the film has seen yet. But Joe and Harlow's bt iend me to see at Tribe and stood up to ask a qutn. I didn't know he was g. He jt randomly stood up at the Q&A and announced himself, and I immediately started sweatg bee he said they'd sent him there to see the film.</p><p data-no-id="74" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong data-redactor-tag="strong">CS:</strong> Oh my god.</p><p data-no-id="76" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong data-redactor-tag="strong">JK: </strong>Yeah, I was terrified bee he was kd of a big guy. And nothg felt better than for him to say that he loved . He said that we'd nailed the characters, unrstandg that 's a film. He said that Harlow is not que that dumb but he got why that ma funnier. But jt the overall relatnship and sir they had he felt was te to the story. He loved and rpond to . No one who's the film has seen yet, but I hope that when Sean se , he lik . </p><p data-no-id="78" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong data-redactor-tag="strong">CS:</strong> I mean, look: 's a rult of the last eight years, the way the untry's been gog. It's been fantastic. I thk artists and people are feelg braver, willg to take more chanc and risks, feelg safer to do that. Bee there's been telligent, ratnal people charge. I certaly want to keep thgs movg that directn. It sr me where thgs uld possibly go. It's the obv thg to say but we want to be able to tell all kds of stori and tear down every kd of wall, to look at ourselv and exame who we are and jt get eper sights to what mak human begs. Anythg that uld possibly prevent that our near future horrifi me to no end. 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