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Each stalment shows talent workg on both sis of the mera, cludg queer creativ and alli to the muny.</strong></p><p data-no-id="1" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>Next up, we're talkg to </strong><a href=" data-vars-ga-outbound-lk=" data-vars-ga-ux-element="Hyperlk" data-vars-ga-ll-to-actn="Outlanr" class="body-lk css-nu68ka et3p2gv0"><strong><em>Outlanr</em></strong></a><strong> star John Bell.</strong></p><style data-emotn="css ligahs">{width:100%;}@media(m-width: 20rem){{marg-left:to;marg-right:to;width:100%;}}@media(m-width: 30rem){{marg-left:to;marg-right:to;width:100%;}}@media(m-width: 40.625rem){{width:50%;marg-left:1rem;marg-right:0rem;float:right;}}@media(m-width: 48rem){{width:50%;marg-left:1rem;marg-right:0rem;float:right;}}@media(m-width: 64rem){{width:50%;marg-left:1rem;marg-right:0rem;float:right;}}@media(m-width: 73.75rem){{width:45%;marg-left:1rem;marg-right:lc(-30% - 1rem);float:right;}}@media(m-width: 75rem){{width:45%;marg-left:1rem;marg-right:lc(-30% - 1rem);float:right;}}@media(m-width: 90rem){{width:45%;marg-left:1rem;marg-right:lc(-30% - 1rem);float:right;}}</style><div data-embed="loop" data-no-id="2" class="css-ligahs e1a0jkxd0"><style data-emotn="css 1e3dj7m">{display:-webk-box;display:-webk-flex;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-webk-flex-directn:row-reverse;-ms-flex-directn:row-reverse;flex-directn:row-reverse;-webk-align-ems:flex-end;-webk-box-align:flex-end;-ms-flex-align:flex-end;align-ems:flex-end;posn:relative;width:100%;marg-bottom:0.9375rem;width:100%;} {visibily:hidn;opacy:0;-webk-transn:visibily 0s .3s,opacy .3s lear;transn:visibily 0s .3s,opacy .3s lear;}</style><div class="align-right size-medium embed e1a0jkxd1 css-1e3dj7m ejku7p04"><style data-emotn="css 5mi43p">{marg-bottom:0.9375rem;--aspect-rat:100%;width:100%;}</style><div class="__rp-ntaer css-5mi43p e6l0f0"><img width="540" height="540" alt="This is an image" tle="This is an image" fetchprry="to" dg="async" src=" size="to" srcSet=" loadg="lazy" class="lqip lazyload css-0 e1lki9i00" /></div></div></div><p data-no-id="3" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">Bt known for his role as Jamie's nephew, Young Ian, <em>Outlanr</em>, 24-year-old Sttish actor John Bell already boasts an imprsive list of creds cludg two of <em>The Hobb</em> movi, <em>T2: Traspottg</em>, and a but performance <a href=" data-vars-ga-outbound-lk=" data-vars-ga-ux-element="Hyperlk" data-vars-ga-ll-to-actn="Doctor Who" class="body-lk css-nu68ka et3p2gv0"><em>Doctor Who</em></a> at the tenr age of eight.</p><p data-no-id="4" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">Before <em>Outlanr</em> returns to TV screens March, Bell is takg to the London stage a one-man play lled <em>The Night Larry Kramer Kissed Me</em>, the story of a gay man's journey of self-disvery durg the AIDS crisis of the 1980s.</p><style data-emotn="css 1736von">{--data-embed-display:flex;-webk-align-ems:center;-webk-box-align:center;-ms-flex-align:center;align-ems:center;clear:both;display:-webk-box;display:-webk-flex;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;marg-bottom:0.9375rem;marg-left:to;marg-right:to;width:100%;}@media(m-width: 20rem){{width:100%;marg:0 to 0.9375rem;}}@media(m-width: 30rem){{width:100%;marg:0 to 0.9375rem;}}@media(m-width: 40.625rem){{width:100%;marg:0 to 0.9375rem;}}@media(m-width: 48rem){{width:100%;marg:0 to 0.9375rem;}}@media(m-width: 64rem){{width:100%;marg:0 to 0.9375rem;}}@media(m-width: 73.75rem){{width:100%;marg:0 to 0.9375rem;}}@media(m-width: 75rem){{width:100%;marg:0 to 0.9375rem;}}@media(m-width: 90rem){{width:100%;marg:0 to 0.9375rem;}} a span{right:1rem;} img{width:to;height:85vh;} a{display:-webk-le-box;display:-webk-le-flex;display:-ms-le-flexbox;display:le-flex;posn:var(--posn, relative);} img:not(.ewcw41w1){display:block;width:100%;height:to;-webk-align-self:flex-start;-ms-flex-em-align:flex-start;align-self:flex-start;}</style><div size="medium" data-embed="body-image" data-no-id="5" class="align-center size-medium embed css-1736von e1xqj1sx4"><style data-emotn="css uwraif">{width:100%;display:-webk-le-box;display:-webk-le-flex;display:-ms-le-flexbox;display:le-flex;-webk-flex-directn:lumn;-ms-flex-directn:lumn;flex-directn:lumn;marg-left:to;marg-right:to;-webk-box-pack:center;-ms-flex-pack:center;-webk-jtify-ntent:center;jtify-ntent:center;}</style><div class="css-uwraif e1xqj1sx3"><img alt="john bell as young ian murray, outlanr season 6" tle="John Bell as Young Ian Murray, Outlanr season 6" loadg="lazy" width="1800" height="1200" dg="async" data-nimg="1" style="lor: transparent; width: 100%; height: to;" siz="100vw" srcSet=" 640w, 980w, 1120w, 1200w, 1920w" src="" class="css-0 exi4f7p0" /><style data-emotn="css swqnqv">@media(m-width: 20rem){{paddg-left:0rem;}}@media(m-width: 30rem){{paddg-left:0rem;}}@media(m-width: 40.625rem){{paddg-left:0rem;}}@media(m-width: 48rem){{paddg-left:0rem;}}@media(m-width: 64rem){{paddg-left:0rem;}}@media(m-width: 73.75rem){{paddg-left:0rem;}}@media(m-width: 75rem){{paddg-left:0rem;}}@media(m-width: 90rem){{paddg-left:0rem;}}</style><div class="css-swqnqv e1xqj1sx2"><figptn class="css-1am3yn9 enfs9c50"><span class="css-1vw9sfv e6iqd1">STARZ</span></figptn></div></div></div><p data-no-id="6" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>Digal Spy</strong> ught up wh John Bell to discs his stage but, the new season of <em>Outlanr,</em> and whether he'd want to return to <em>Doctor Who</em> as the Doctor himself.</p><p data-no-id="7" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>You're about to appear the one-man show <em>The Night Larry Kramer Kissed Me</em>. Are you nervo dog a solo stage performance?</strong></p><p data-no-id="8" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">It's certaly a challenge and I love a challenge. And is certaly sry. I love to do somethg that sr me, so I thk feels like the right play for me and feels like the right time to do . I nnect wh the story and the character, so that's why I wanted to do more than anythg else.</p><p data-no-id="9" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>The young man the play fds his life is changed after he se a performance of Larry Kramer's LGBTQ+ play <em>The Normal Heart</em>. Were you aware of that play beforehand?</strong></p><p data-no-id="10" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">Y, I was, I had gone to see at the Natnal Theatre about three weeks prr to this opportuny g to my attentn, so kd of felt a ltle b like sty. </p><div supprsHydratnWarng data-no-id="11" data-embed="pullquote" class="embed css-0 e9hzx6g0"><style data-emotn="css 16ddmmp">{text-align:center;marg:0rem;paddg-top:0.9375rem;paddg-bottom:0.9375rem;} span::before{background-lor:#E5ADAE;lor:#000;width:5rem;}</style><blockquote class="css-16ddmmp e1pe3zr91"><style data-emotn="css 1ljy70d">{background-lor:#000000;lor:#fff;ntent:'';display:le-block;height:0.25rem;posn:relative;-webk-transn:width .2s ease--out,background .2s ease--out;transn:width .2s ease--out,background .2s ease--out;width:3rem;}</style><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-1ljy70d eagam8p0"></span><style data-emotn="css zggbc2">{font-fay:Montserrat,Helveti,Arial,Sans-serif;font-size:1.625rem;font-weight:900;le-height:1.2;marg:0rem;}@media(max-width: 64rem){{font-size:1.75rem;le-height:1.1;}}@media(m-width: 48rem){{font-size:2.25rem;le-height:1.2;}}@media(m-width: 64rem){{font-size:2.25rem;le-height:1.2;}} b, strong{font-fay:her;font-weight:bold;} em, i{font-fay:her;font-style:alic;}</style><blockquote class="css-zggbc2 e1pe3zr90">"I love to do somethg that sr me."</blockquote><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-1ljy70d eagam8p1"></span></blockquote></div><p data-no-id="12" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">It was an amazg productn, and I was kd of watchg gog "I'm jealo of the actors gettg to do this and tell this story." So when this me along I was like "I do get to tell a versn of this story, I get to tell s pann piece and I get to tell s ltle brother", so that helped my cisn to want to do this.</p><p data-no-id="13" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong><em>The Night Larry Kramer Kissed Me</em></strong><strong> was first performed 1992 and is set the 1970s and 1980s. It ends wh a scene set the hopeful 'future' of 1999 – so have you had to change the endg?</strong></p><p data-no-id="14" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">We have cut the fal scene about the future om the play. We kd of felt that back then 1992 when was first put on, was a very different suatn, people were still dyg om AIDS plitns.</p><p data-no-id="15" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">Y, was lookg like there was hope, and I thk dienc at that time need the hope and need a b of a happy endg, but then when we read back we thought, do this really f where we are now? We are a much better suatn – you know beg HIV posive means you don't pass on the vis, 's not a ath sentence, all of the thgs – so the hope has already been nfirmed, we are livg a better place. </p><style data-emotn="css 10klw3m">{height:100%;}</style><div data-embed="stagram" class="embed align-center css-10klw3m ez8lbhw1"><style data-emotn="css 63r9na">{-webk-align-ems:center;-webk-box-align:center;-ms-flex-align:center;align-ems:center;display:-webk-box;display:-webk-flex;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-webk-box-pack:center;-ms-flex-pack:center;-webk-jtify-ntent:center;jtify-ntent:center;m-height:10rem;background-lor:#F5F5F5;lor:#000;-webk-flex-directn:lumn;-ms-flex-directn:lumn;flex-directn:lumn;height:100%;marg-bottom:0.9375rem;}</style><div class="css-63r9na ez8lbhw0"><style data-emotn="css 1msakm2">{width:3.125rem;height:3.125rem;}</style><img data-dynamic-svg src="/_assets/sign-tokens/e/static/ins/social/;id=lk-out-embed" loadg="lazy" alt="stagram in" height="to" width="to" class="css-1msakm2 ez8lbhw2" /><a target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener" href=" aria-label="View full post on Instagram" class="css-0 e1c1bym14">View full post on Instagram</a></div></div><p data-no-id="17" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">We felt that bee there is still homophobia that is happeng nowadays, like Samuel Luiz, who was killed Spa a few months ago jt for g out of a gay club and lookg gay, didn't feel right to [to have the origal endg]. Pl, the way the plays ends now wh a fal speech about the people he has lost clost to him, the remembrance of them, the sayg of their nam, felt stronger to end on that note and naturally ends there too. </p><p data-no-id="18" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">Is this a play about how far we have e, or how far we have to go? I thk that is about how far we have e, and that is somethg to be celebrated. And om sayg how far we have e leads someone to say "this is what we have to do om now on".</p><p data-no-id="19" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>Why do you thk there are a lot more LGBTQ+ stori like this fally beg told on TV and film as well as on stage right now?</strong></p><p data-no-id="20" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">I thk the reason why there are so many of the stori beg told now is bee is appealg to my generatn, we're livg such a different time. </p><p data-no-id="21" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">My mum remembers growg up through the AIDS crisis and readg about the gay plague the newspapers, how homophobic the world was. We are a pletely different stratosphere now when to acceptance of the thgs, but is important to remember and important to tell the stori and I thk that is why we have <em><a href=" target="_blank" data-vars-ga-outbound-lk=" data-vars-ga-ux-element="Hyperlk" data-vars-ga-ll-to-actn="It's a S" class="body-lk css-nu68ka et3p2gv0">It's a S</a></em> and we have <em><a href=" target="_blank" data-vars-ga-outbound-lk=" data-vars-ga-ux-element="Hyperlk" data-vars-ga-ll-to-actn="Pose" class="body-lk css-nu68ka et3p2gv0">Pose</a></em>. </p><div supprsHydratnWarng data-no-id="22" data-embed="pullquote" class="embed css-0 e9hzx6g0"><blockquote class="css-16ddmmp e1pe3zr91"><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-1ljy70d eagam8p0"></span><blockquote class="css-zggbc2 e1pe3zr90">"It is important to remember and important to tell the stori."</blockquote><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-1ljy70d eagam8p1"></span></blockquote></div><p data-no-id="23" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">It feels the right time to tell the stori bee 's a generatn now sce then. There is all of the stuff we have now that we enjoy, and love, and go out and have fun – the people we need to thank for that are the people who were fightg and on the streets and takg back the streets the late eighti and early neti, and I thk that is part of the reason we're dog this story now.</p><p data-no-id="24" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>You're bt known as Young Ian <em>Outlanr</em>, and </strong><a href=" data-vars-ga-outbound-lk=" data-vars-ga-ux-element="Hyperlk" data-vars-ga-ll-to-actn="season six" class="body-lk css-nu68ka et3p2gv0"><strong>season six</strong></a><strong> will be on screens March. What n you tell about Ian’s journey this season?</strong></p><p data-no-id="25" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">I n't really say much about the new season! I'm very exced about <a href=" target="_blank" data-vars-ga-outbound-lk=" data-vars-ga-ux-element="Hyperlk" data-vars-ga-ll-to-actn="season six" class="body-lk css-nu68ka et3p2gv0">season six</a>, Ian is there and you are gog to learn a lot more about him, so is a good season for me. </p><p data-no-id="26" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>Ian returned to Fraser's Ridge after livg wh the Mohawk season five. Will we fd out what happened while he was away?</strong></p><p data-no-id="27" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">In <a href=" data-vars-ga-outbound-lk=" data-vars-ga-ux-element="Hyperlk" data-vars-ga-ll-to-actn="season five" class="body-lk css-nu68ka et3p2gv0">season five</a>, what happened to him was hted at. There is a lot of mystique about Ian's life away om the Ridge and if you haven't read the books and don't know what is happeng, season six certaly lv to Ian's character more so I have a lot to play wh.</p><div size="medium" data-embed="body-image" data-no-id="28" class="align-center size-medium embed css-1736von e1xqj1sx4"><div class="css-uwraif e1xqj1sx3"><img alt="john bell as young ian murray, outlanr season 5" tle="John Bell as Young Ian Murray, Outlanr season 5" loadg="lazy" width="3200" height="2134" dg="async" data-nimg="1" style="lor: transparent; width: 100%; height: to;" siz="100vw" srcSet=" 640w, 980w, 1120w, 1200w, 1920w" src="" class="css-0 exi4f7p0" /><div class="css-swqnqv e1xqj1sx2"><figptn class="css-1am3yn9 enfs9c50"><span class="css-1vw9sfv e6iqd1">STARZ</span></figptn></div></div></div><p data-no-id="29" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>What new skills have you learnt sce you joed <em>Outlanr</em> season three?</strong></p><p data-no-id="30" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">My skills are how to be a dog whisperer and a horse whisperer at the same time! Bee if you are shoutg "go" to the dog, then the horse starts gog. It's hard tryg to mand both! </p><p data-no-id="31" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">They say don't work wh kids and animals and I've lerally jt nstantly worked wh kids and animals on <em>Outlanr</em>. I'm also super good wh ltle kids on set, I'm too good, so the tws that play Jemmy, they love me, and they ask "Is John Bell on set today?" bee they know they jt have a lgh wh me. Carna [Balfe] and Sam [Hghan] and Sophie [Skelton] and Richard [Rank] jt pack them off to me, so I'm the baby whisperer too!</p><p data-no-id="32" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>Season six of <em>Outlanr</em> is a shorter season (eight episos) due to Covid. Was very different filmg durg the panmic?</strong></p><p data-no-id="33" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">This season was hugely different on set – we didn’t have the same abily to hang out wh each other. We ma the most of on set but even then – we were one of the few productns that were allowed to n at that time and due to that special stat we had to be so, so reful. <br /></p><div supprsHydratnWarng data-no-id="34" data-embed="pullquote" class="embed css-0 e9hzx6g0"><blockquote class="css-16ddmmp e1pe3zr91"><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-1ljy70d eagam8p0"></span><blockquote class="css-zggbc2 e1pe3zr90">"Dpe beg one of the strongt seasons, was also one of the most difficult to shoot."</blockquote><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-1ljy70d eagam8p1"></span></blockquote></div><p data-no-id="35" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">But is my favoure season so far, is jt so strong, the storyl throughout – feels like there is a change of pace, there is an omo feelg that is happeng this season. It is sort of like <em>Harry Potter </em>when was gettg darker, is a ltle b of that feelg that we n’t stop this evabily. </p><p data-no-id="36" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">Dpe beg one of the strongt seasons, was also one of the most difficult to shoot [due to Covid rtrictns], which maybe actually helped a b bee at tim a lot of the characters I thk feel isolated and we only had to look at our own f**kg experience to be able to relate to that! </p><p data-no-id="37" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>How do you feel about the LGBTQ+ reprentatn <em>Outlanr</em>?</strong></p><p data-no-id="38" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><em>Outlanr</em> has a great, fully veloped, tertg character Lord John Grey, who is a fan favoure and is beloved by the fans. It is a perd piece, we are tellg a story set the 1700s. There was not openly gay people back then at that time the culture of the loni, so is great to see that, and I absolutely love that part of the story.</p><div data-embed="stagram" class="embed align-center css-10klw3m ez8lbhw1"><div class="css-63r9na ez8lbhw0"><img data-dynamic-svg src="/_assets/sign-tokens/e/static/ins/social/;id=lk-out-embed" loadg="lazy" alt="stagram in" height="to" width="to" class="css-1msakm2 ez8lbhw2" /><a target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener" href=" aria-label="View full post on Instagram" class="css-0 e1c1bym14">View full post on Instagram</a></div></div><p data-no-id="40" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>What about LGBTQ+ reprentatn on screen general?</strong></p><p data-no-id="41" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">We're at that pot history, I thk, that so many gay stori are beg told. And not jt gay stori but trans stori as well are at the foreont of entertament, which I adore. </p><p data-no-id="42" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">We are now fally gettg reprentatn of gay characters that aren’t jt the villa or the butt of the joke. Now we have this whole lot of trans, non bary, genr fluid talent beg celebrated and stori beg shared and that is so excg. It is jt nice to see at the heart of so many Brish dramas, I thk is great. </p><p data-no-id="43" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">I will always champn more, we always have to keep phg for more, but at the moment I am super vted lots of wonrful characters om all over the rabow.</p><p data-no-id="44" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>Your first actg role was <em>Doctor Who</em> – you won a <em>Blue Peter</em> petn. How inic is that?</strong></p><p data-no-id="45" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><em>Blue Peter</em> opened this petn to every sgle kid the UK, a chance to w a part <em>Doctor Who</em> and I entered , and the rt is history! </p><div supprsHydratnWarng data-no-id="46" data-embed="pullquote" class="embed css-0 e9hzx6g0"><blockquote class="css-16ddmmp e1pe3zr91"><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-1ljy70d eagam8p0"></span><blockquote class="css-zggbc2 e1pe3zr90">"I am super vted lots of wonrful characters om all over the rabow."</blockquote><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-1ljy70d eagam8p1"></span></blockquote></div><p data-no-id="47" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">The procs was bonkers – I sent them a vio, there were three monologu to choose om, two of them were kd of actn, sort of silly fightg aliens stuff and the third one was a lot more emotnal, was like a diary entry, was about the night the Doctor took me to see the stars or somethg like that. 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We ught up wh Outlanr's John Bell to talk ternalised homophobia, growg up gay, and his new turn The Night Larry Kramer Kissed Me.

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THE HEARTBREAKG TE STORY OF THE GAY TEEN AND HIS DAD BEHD ‘JOE BELL’

"Joe Bell" is a new movie that tells the heartbreakg te story of Jad Bell, a gay teen who died by suici, and his father's walk his memory. * bell gay *

In April 2013, Joe Bell left his home La Gran, a small town the northeast rner of Oregon, to walk across the untry honor of his 15-year-old son, Jad, who had died Febary a few weeks after attemptg and his wife, Lola Lathrop, told lol and natnal news outlets at the time that Jad was bullied for beg gay, both onle and at school. He was the only out gay stunt at La Gran High School.

In addn to beg the only out gay stunt at his school, he was also the only boy on the cheerleadg squad, and Bell told Salon 2013 that he was bullied for said he uld relate to Jad and his story, bee he was also bullied growg up Texas. 19, 2010, Seth Walsh, a gay 13-year-old livg Southern California, died by suici after beg bullied. Three days later, Tyler Clementi, a gay stunt at Rutgers Universy-New Bnswick, killed himself after beg rerd on a webm kissg another man.

After g out as gay, Colton Unrwood is sharg his journey a new Netflix documentary. Gay. Osborne announced he is gay.

OUTLANR’S JOHN BELL ON GROWG UP QUEER FILM: ‘I HAD MOMENTS OF WANTG TO PRAY THE GAY AWAY’

Osborne told Time magaze Febary that he is gay and has known for years, but he kept a secret bee of untry mic's mostly nservative fan base. It's tougher for Black gay men.

It's tougher for Black mascule gay women. Ronen Rubste's gay character on "9-1-1: Lone Star" helped him get fortable wh his own sexualy.

HE’S READY: R&B SGER TEV CAMPBELL NFIRMS HE IS GAY NEW TERVIEW

"I me out as gay before I transned. I me out as transgenr and then I me out as gay aga, " she said a YouTube vio April.

Former "Bachelor" star Colton Unrwood me out as gay on "Good Morng Ameri.

IS CATHERE BELL GAY? HER NET WORTH, AGE, AND FACTS.

"And I'm gay.

ROB BELL COMES OUT GAY AFFIRMING

I am proud to be gay.

“Like, 90 percent of our iends are gay! The stars are nfint that gay moviegoers will fd much to admire the female-centric “A Bad Moms Christmas, ” which hs theaters Nov. “I thk the gays have always loved any woman on screen that reprents power or strength or somethg that they have overe ― anythg that’s posive, ” Kunis told PriSource.

The fierce queer polics of Bronski Beat and the barely-d sex-posivy of Frankie Go To Hollywood ma some noise on the US charts the early 1980s while Elton John still prented as bisexual, but really wasn’t until Erasure explod onto the scene a uple years later that an open and fiant gay voice uld be heard at your high school dance.

COMEDIAN TONE BELL’S BGRAPHY – IS HE GAY, OR MARRIED TO…?

While the gay dience is more sought-after than ever, openly-gay pop stars are still srce. Lady Gaga intifi as bi, Sam Smh as gay and non-bary, but beyond them, the last or so, only Lil Nas X has managed to crack the top ten. We talked about the queer idols of their youths, the evolutn of the gay pop star, the importance of reprentatn and llaboratn, and creativy the year of Covid.

Along the way, some dish, some dance, and a solid primer on 20th century gay culture. When I was a teenager, still was not okay Wal to be an out gay ntent is imported om youTube. He always nied he was gay.

IS CATHERE BELL GAY? DEDG THE TTH ABOUT THE ACTRS

That’s all a b far as mic go, we had the Amerin artists, we had Sylvter and of urse Dive, and gay-intified people like Grace Jon. But the UK, we had Frankie Go To Hollywood, which was more hype than was a gay thg.

I hadn't really heard of him, but I knew “Glad To Be Gay, ” and my uncle had one of his rerds, “2, 4, 6, 8 Motorway. I remember readg a poster London probably about '83 or '84 that he was dog a Gays Rock semar London. So he said he wore a pk triangle on his lapel, and when anybody asked him about , he said, "Oh, you know, that's the emblem of gay liberatn.

[Lghs] When I was formulatg gay inty, was stuff like Bjork, Grace Jon, Erasure, Elton John. You may be able to fd the same ntent another format, or you may be able to fd more rmatn, at their web I love Queer ins were a really weird thg the UK bee like Andy was sayg, a lot of the TV personali that were gay were such stereotyp. We ed to have gay film nights London.

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While the gay dience is more sought-after than ever, openly-gay pop stars are still srce. Lady Gaga intifi as bi, Sam Smh as gay and non-bary, but beyond them, the last or so, only Lil Nas X has managed to crack the top ten. While the die world has Shamir, Perfume Geni, and Christe and the Queens, reprentatn for queer kids on mastream rad is still largely direct. </p><p data-no-id="3" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">Rod Thomas is here to change that. Rerdg (mostly si his own East Village apartment) as Bright Light Bright Light, Thomas has jt released his fourth album <em>Fun Cy</em>, a blissfully heartsick 12-track album packed wh llaboratns om queer artists, om up and ers like Canadian lbian pop act Caveboy to tablished stars like Scissor Sisters’ Jake Shears and Andy Bell himself. <em>Fun Cy</em>, one of the ft dis albums a great year for the genre, buted at #3 on the UK Indie chart, jt weeks after Erasure’s eighteenth rerd <em>The Neon</em> h #4 on the album chart. </p><p data-no-id="4" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">I spoke wh the 56-year-old Bell and Thomas, 38, over Zoom late October. We talked about the queer idols of their youths, the evolutn of the gay pop star, the importance of reprentatn and llaboratn, and creativy the year of Covid. 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Probably did about three numbers, wh the shty PA systems, and I don't know how much they got paid. Thank goodns for Grace Jon, bee she always wanted the money before she went on the stage. She knew what those people were like, you know?</p><p data-no-id="31" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>Dave: </strong>Who were your queer ins, Rod?</p><p data-no-id="32" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>Rod: </strong>I don't thk I really knew what beg queer was until I was my early teens. In Wal, where I grew up, was very monoculture, jt farmers and al mers. There was no real disurse about sexualy. There were drag queens that I saw on stage at the Swansea Grand Theater or whatever. There's a Brish culture of men a drs, but 's not necsarily lked to beg gay.</p><div data-ad-exclu class="css-8c6v ehha8ut0">This ntent is imported om youTube. 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I don't know who your label is. It's <em>you</em>, isn't ?</p><p data-no-id="41" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>Rod: </strong>Y.</p><p data-no-id="42" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>Andy: </strong>Yeah, 's your own label. I was jt wonrg bee, to me, the artwork is very remiscent of another huge fluence for me, which was Casablan Rerds and also Carrere, I thk they were om France, weren't they? Carrere Rerds?</p><p data-no-id="43" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>Rod: </strong>Yeah, yeah, yeah. Casablan, even the generic sleev were so geo, weren't they? It was so betiful. Wh this rerd, the referenc that I sent to the illtrator were old ‘70s dis rerds, like France Jolie and some of those divas, Sylvter, and then like old, '70s, '80s horror movi, like <em>Body Double</em> and <em>Drsed To Kill</em> and thgs like that. And <em>The Ey of Lra Mars.</em> I wanted to be like a kd of queer fashn shoot. Attu Magaze asked me, "Did you have a mood board for the album?" 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We ed to have gay film nights London. They were unrground, and they would be all nighters. Basilly, you'd go there and you'd be trashed dancg the club, and you uld hook up and stuff like that. But they would show <em>Thunr Crack</em>, or <em>Un Chant d’Amour</em>, somethg om Jean Ge. It was all the different homo-erotic films, which of urse, they're all onle now. But at the time, you had to grab referenc om wherever you uld.</p><p data-no-id="46" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">It wasn't jt the mic, but I suppose mic was the most important thg. The reason I mentned Carrere and Casablan was, even though wasn't explicly homo artists or anythg, jt seemed like the dis beat was the heartbeat to our liv or somethg. Do you know what I mean? It was almost like that's what was keepg you alive was that dis heartbeat.</p><p data-no-id="47" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>Rod: </strong>Yeah. When you listen to the classic queer anthems, they're very dis fluenced. They're very dis produced. And they do have the tradnal dis narrative, which is cryg on the dance floor or dancg through pa, which for me is the survival tactic. And 's what I love about everythg om the Sylvter tracks to Bronski Beat to Erasure. “Love to Hate You,” for me, 's one of my favor of yours, which has that, "Fuck you. I'm feelg like sh, and that’s my power." It's jt amazg.</p><div data-ad-exclu class="css-8c6v ehha8ut0">This ntent is imported om youTube. 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That's how seemed to me, stctively, and my stct's que right ually. </p><p data-no-id="63" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">I felt so privileged that we uld tour Ameri, lerally play a church hall a town. And we’d have people qug up outsi, teenage girls and boys wh gay pri badg on, and say, "Hey, gay pri, Andy," jt as we were arrivg. So I was jt, oh, thankg God…and thankg God that we never had a bomb unr the b. But was kd of, you felt like you uld only go so far. That was the tth. And there are only a certa amount of TV shows that you uld be on. I wanted to nail my lors to the wall and be as gay as possible, which I suppose is jt like those telly nelli on the TV.</p><p data-no-id="64" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">And now, people e out wh a bang and a wallop, and 's all embracg, but seems to last five mut. And then if you're not a ln seller, 's very tough. I’m not plag, but 's a really tough environment, beg a gay man or woman the dtry, you know? 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I bought the 12-ch of that recently, and ’s jt so good. It's weird bee I thk what you did and Jimmy Somerville and other artists the ‘80s, is you ma a space for gay mic, as did k.d. lang for lbian reprentatn. But then I feel like when the dtry uld get away wh makg straight artists as gay and mp as you, they fot a lot of the actual gay artists.</p><p data-no-id="69" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">It really wasn't until Scissor Sisters me along that we were actually allowed to be there aga. Before then was the weird thg of the Fast Food Rockers and Soch and people like that jt beg mp, whout lettg an actual gay person do anythg popular media.</p><div data-ad-exclu class="css-8c6v ehha8ut0">This ntent is imported om youTube. 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Durg Brpop, maybe mid-'90s or early '90s, where gay pri beme a rporate event, where you had to wear the wristband. And all of a sudn you had straight people on the vers of gay magaz, which was never vice versa. It was never gay people on the vers of straight magaz. And I'm not sayg that we should leave them out, jt seemed like we had to make this al. It was almost like we opened the door to straight people to be accepted, you know?</p><p data-no-id="72" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>Dave: </strong>To this day, if Channg Tatum says, “hey, I have a gay , and I’m okay wh him,” then he’s on the ver of the gay magaze wh his shirt off. But workg queer artists still have to fight for that regnn. Do you thk the gay media supports s own muny enough?</p><p data-no-id="73" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>Andy: </strong>My personal opn is, sce social media, the actual wrten space media has bee so valuable. And we've bee so sensized and so body nsc, 's so dumbed down that even gay magaz, now 's all about sellg stuff. It never seemed to be like that before. It was more polil, bee we were fightg for our rights. Now jt seems to be about sellg t-shirts and Absolut vodka.</p><p data-no-id="74" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">Pl the attentn span is so short. 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They do want to support a straight female diva more than they have time to support queer artists, pecially before they've had a h. When I've been playg a Pri ftival—and, admtedly, I've not had a number one sgle, I've not had a number 100 sgle, really—but if I'm on the bill, I've heard people be like, "Oh, nobody knows who that is." They want Miley Cys or Ariana Gran or whatever. If I had had a h, would be a different story. But n you not have equal space your life for a straight diva <em>and </em>a queer artist? Bee if you don't support your muny, then none of are ever gog to get anywhere.</p><p data-no-id="77" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">There jt don't seem to be that eagerns to adopt your new favore queer artists as there is to adopt your new favore diva. It's a difficult thg bee I love listeng to female artists. I spend most of my life listeng to Mariah Carey. But I do try and look out for new queer artists and support people and spread them around.</p><p data-no-id="78" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">Somethg I do like about social media and the way thgs are the days is 's easier to nnect wh other queer artists. Like wh <em>Fun Cy</em>, there's 12 queer artists on . Everybody om Andy to a plete newer. And I wouldn't have been able to do that prev to this social media world. It is easier for people to seek out artists if they want to. I don't know if the sire to do that is still there bee there's such a saturatn of ntent and like 3000 new sgl every week on Spotify. Even though 's easier to put yourself out there, 's a ltle b harr to get people to actively seek you out. And as we know, people are lazy as fuck and n't be bothered.</p><p data-no-id="79" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>Andy: </strong>To be hont, as well, I don't know who's gay anymore. I don't. Bee there's so many people. But that's what we've been fightg for the whole time. You bee visible to be visible.</p><p data-no-id="80" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>Rod: </strong>What is tertg about beg my posn or my generatn wh queer inty mic is that you do get to shape the road. I'm tryg my bt to get my pchfork out and fe a ltle path. And what I'm hopg I enurage people to do wh this album is to talk to each other and to work wh other people and to emphasize a sense of muny, which I never had growg up. I uldn't name 10 gay artists growg up that I thought I uld be iends wh, or go on tour wh. And I always felt very isolated. I was this lone satelle, jt kd of orbg a world that I didn't really ever get allowed to.</p><p data-no-id="81" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">We have to emphasize muny and the fact that workg together mak everythg a ltle b stronger and a ltle b more visible. I'm hopg that wh this rerd, which is all llaboratns, emphasiz how much better you are together vers alone and might spire a few people to do the same kd of thg. And that don't have to be wh somebody famo. Like Andy and Jake Shears are credibly famo, and then you have Illtr Blacks or Caveboy who are on the rise. That was potedly done to unteract the fact that people only really re when people are famo.</p><p data-no-id="82" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>Andy: </strong>Rod, do you do by beg a fan of their mic or is jt random leads?<br /></p><p data-no-id="83" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>Rod: </strong>Some of them were iends before I got to know their mic. And then wh Caveboy, for example, my iend worked at Amazon Mic, and she said, "You should listen to this album." And I thought was fantastic, so I jt sent them an email, we end up talkg back and forth bee we had loads mon, and two weeks I had their vols on the rerd.</p><div data-ad-exclu class="css-8c6v ehha8ut0">This ntent is imported om youTube. 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