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At that pot, “gay” was still <a href=">ed extensively as a slur</a> (before <a href=">Hilary Duff told not to</a>), as were “lbian” and “queer.” Yet spe the sual homophobia of the era, you uld also turn on the rad and hear the Rsian pop duo t.A.T.u. sg accented English to “her” stead of “him,” or flip on MTV and watch them clg to each other the ra, draw each other closer, and kiss. </p><p>For many, the group’s h sgle was the sole piece of media they’d enuntered that prented same-sex attractn not as a problem, but as an achgly yearng love story. “All the Thgs She Said” was everywhere a way that seemed <em>normal</em>, which implicly meant that the queer sexualy exprsed wh the song was as well, spe our culture’s sistence that such sire was appropriate, even immoral. Or that was one reactn, at least; some crics at the time viewed t.A.T.u.’s sudn ubiquy wh more scty. As one wrer <a href=">asked</a> at the time, “What are they really sellg?”</p><div><div class="ConsumerMarketgUnThemedWrapper-iUTMTf jssHut nsumer-marketg-un nsumer-marketg-un--article-mid-ntent" role="prentatn" aria-hidn="te"><div class="nsumer-marketg-un__slot nsumer-marketg-un__slot--article-mid-ntent nsumer-marketg-un__slot---ntent"></div><div class="journey-un"></div></div></div><p>After releasg their first rerd, <em>200 Po Vstrechnoy</em>, Rsia 2001, t.A.T.u. h the English speakg world wh <em>200 km/h the Wrong Lane</em> December of 2002. A few months before, the band had dropped “All The Thgs She Said,” alongsi s <a href=">stantly ntroversial</a> vio. Crics were spl on the group’s techno and trance-heavy sound — <a href="><em>The Guardian</em></a> gave <em>200 km/h</em> four out of five stars, <a href="><em>Rollg Stone</em></a> only two — but the real buzz around t.A.T.u. centered on their “star-crossed lbian lovers” image. </p><div class="Contaer-bkChBi byNLHx"></div><p>Though wasn’t unheard of to see girls kiss girls mastream Amerin culture (see the famo 2003 MTV Vio Mic Awards <a href=">kiss</a> between Brney Spears, Madonna, and Christa Aguilera), actual gay people, not to mentn trans or other non-cisgenr inti, were largely viewed as an aberratn. The U.S. was years away om a printial electn which same-sex marriage <a href=">likely helped keep</a> Gee W. Bh office agast John Kerry. So to many listeners, t.A.T.u. wasn’t jt about seeg girls kiss; they were protectg and cherishg their love agast an tensely disapprovg world. And they would go on to do so on stag all over the world, cludg the <a href=">2003 Eurovisn Song Contt</a>, where they reprented Rsia. </p></div></div></div><div class="GridItem-buujkM fVLMby grid--em grid-layout__asi"><div class="StickyBoxWrapper-jfYB kNleGZ sticky-box"><div class="StickyBoxPrimary-dzWDWL cdhYoN sticky-box__primary"><div class="Contaer-bkChBi byNLHx"></div><div class="AdWrapper-dQtivb fZrssQ ad ad--rail"><div class="ad__slot ad__slot--rail" data-no-id="9oigml"></div></div><div class="ConsumerMarketgUnThemedWrapper-iUTMTf jssHut nsumer-marketg-un nsumer-marketg-un--display-rail" role="prentatn" aria-hidn="te"><div class="nsumer-marketg-un__slot nsumer-marketg-un__slot--display-rail"></div><div class="journey-un"></div></div></div><div class="StickyBoxPlaceholr-grPmrg dxAvXx"></div></div></div></div><div data-ttid="RowWrapper" class="RowWrapper-UmqTg HEhan full-bleed-ad row-mid-ntent-ad"><div class="StickyMidContentAdWrapper-fSBzwl drzyIa ad-stickymidntent"><div class="AdWrapper-dQtivb fZrssQ ad ad--mid-ntent should-hold-space"><div class="ad__slot ad__slot--mid-ntent" data-no-id="8iuf1t"></div></div></div></div><div class="GridWrapper-cAzTTK kHBDeH grid grid-margs grid-ems-2 ArticlePageChunksGrid-hfxa bjczjj grid-layout--adrail narrow wi-adrail"><div class="GridItem-buujkM stRKV grid--em grid-layout__ntent"><div class="BodyWrapper-kufPGa bectqB body body__ntaer article__body" data-journey-hook="client-ntent" data-ttid="BodyWrapper"><div class="body__ner-ntaer"><figure data-ttid="IameEmbed" class="IameEmbedWrapper-sc-dRedg hZiq iame-embed"><div data-ttid="IameEmbedContaer" class="IameEmbedContaer-hptgUZ gwYBCr"><div class="IameEmbedAspectRatWrapper-hFVJps kaOLzO"><iame class="IameEmbedContent-cMdiev csnuAY IameEmbedContent lazyload" height="300px" sandbox="allow-scripts allow-popups allow-same-orig" tle="Embedd Frame" data-src=" allow="toplay *; encrypted-media *; clipboard-wre; toplay; fullscreen; picture--picture"></iame></div></div></figure><div class="AdWrapper-dQtivb fZrssQ ad ad---ntent"><div class="ad__slot ad__slot---ntent" data-no-id="nv10hv"></div></div><p>“All The Thgs She Said” eventually h #1 on the Billboard chart the U.K. and #20 on the Hot 100 chart the U.S. Yet behd the band’s succs was a much ls romantic backstory: In 1999, Rsian producer Ivan Shapovalov and his then-bs partner put out a ll for female volists. Out of hundreds who dned, they st Lena Kata and Julia Volkova, both 14 at the time and prevly part of the children’s sgg group Neposedy. The band’s name and “image” — cludg that the duo were gay — were created by Shapovalov; t.A.T.u. is short for the Rsian phrase “<em>ta lyub tu,</em>” meang “this [girl] lov that [girl].” Kata and Volkova lerally embodied their artist moniker, portrayg femme4femme timacy <a href=">performanc</a>, mic vios, and <a data-offer-url=" class="external-lk" data-event-click="{"element":"ExternalLk","outgogURL":"" href=" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">terviews</a> alike. </p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-1 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p>But was all an act. From the start, Shapovalov <a href=">lled the group</a> an “unrage sex project” that he put together bee he “found funny,” unrlg that t.A.T.u. was signed to panr to the male gaze. In classic 2000s fashn, the more sister (and potentially abive) aspects of the dynamic between the four was glossed over by the media at the time. 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grid--em grid-layout__ntent"><div class="BodyWrapper-kufPGa bectqB body body__ntaer article__body" data-journey-hook="client-ntent" data-ttid="BodyWrapper"><div class="body__ner-ntaer"><p>Yet thgs got even more plited when me to the duo's views on queerns. In the 2003 documentary <em>Anatomy of t.A.T.u.</em>, which aired on Rsian televisn, was nfirmed that neher intified as lbian at the time they ma the song, and Kata even admted to attemptg to pray away her “sful” public behavr. Volkova later me out as bi, but a <a href=" target="_blank">2014 terview</a> for Rsian TV, said that gay men are “unmanly,” and rebed the ia of havg a gay son. Kata rpond wh her own <a data-offer-url=" class="external-lk" data-event-click="{"element":"ExternalLk","outgogURL":"" href=" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">pro-LGBTQ+ ments</a>, and Volkova later <a data-offer-url=" class="external-lk" data-event-click="{"element":"ExternalLk","outgogURL":"" href=" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">quasi-apologized</a>.</p><p>As for “All the Thgs She Said,” s origs are a far cry om s star-crossed lovers prentatn. Shapovalov’s <a data-offer-url=" class="external-lk" data-event-click="{"element":"ExternalLk","outgogURL":"" href=" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">wrg partner</a> (and eventual ex-wife) Elena Kiper <a href=">reportedly</a> woke up om ntal surgery reuntg a dream which she kissed a woman, yellg <em>“Ya soshla s uma!”</em> This beme the song’s Rsian tle, which means, “I’ve lost my md.”</p><p>Once their novelty took a back seat to their sndals, t.A.T.u. was effectively kaput, releasg four more rerds before breakg up 2011. Kata and Volkova pursued solo reers, but neher uld pe t.A.T.u.’s famy. They’ve rned for performanc several tim, cludg for the <a href=">2014 Sochi Wter Olympics</a> and as recently as <a href=">this September</a> for an “MMA fightg/mic event” Belas that even dited t.A.T.u. fans were <a data-offer-url=" class="external-lk" data-event-click="{"element":"ExternalLk","outgogURL":"" href=" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">lewarm</a> <a data-offer-url=" class="external-lk" data-event-click="{"element":"ExternalLk","outgogURL":"" href=" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">about.</a></p><p>But two s out, and spe s misleadg and upsettg origs, the group remas a sgular pop culture phenomenon. Olivia Rodrigo <a data-offer-url=" class="external-lk" data-event-click="{"element":"ExternalLk","outgogURL":"" href=" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">vered “All The Thgs She Said”</a> earlier this year, jog the lik of experimental artist <a href=">Poppy</a> and the League of Legends character-turned-virtual mician <a data-offer-url=" class="external-lk" data-event-click="{"element":"ExternalLk","outgogURL":"" href=" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Seraphe</a>. Early 2022, Halsey revealed that their 2019 sgle “Nightmare” <a data-offer-url=" class="external-lk" data-event-click="{"element":"ExternalLk","outgogURL":"" href=" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">was spired by the song</a> and at one pot sampled , then teased a (still unreleased) t.A.T.u. ver. In a September nversatn for NPR, wrer Jill Gutowz revised the song; while admtg was “openly problematic,” she <a href=">also noted</a>, “I don't know how many mic vios at the time picted an actual emotnal love story between two women. And the answer is none, none that were on the rad like that. 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On one hand, t.A.T.u. took the stereotype that women will pretend to be “gay for attentn” to a disturbg and disenchantg extreme. Kata and Volkova’s performance remas one of the most high-profile s of actual queerbag pop culture history, one that many people are unrstandably eager to distance themselv om. Several out women micians cled to ment for this piece, wh their management and publicists passg or failg to rpond. (One sent back a sharp note: “Have you looked to the band and who they actually are as people?”) </p><p>But on the other hand, Kata and Volkova sang about and kissed each other for an dience of lns, and dog so challenged the ep homophobia of the time. (Eurovisn <a href=">reportedly</a> censored their performanc and allegedly fixed votg so they wouldn’t w.) By mtg to the act, t.A.T.u. advertently rved out a space for queer people to image themselv lovg and livg eely. In an <a href=">terview</a> om last year, Kata rells, “You nnot image how many msag we received om different people, who told , ‘You saved our life. Thank you.'” A sexualy revelatn om a problematic and dated work is still a revelatn. </p><p>That there was a moment time when Rsia celebrated an LGBTQ+ act — even though was ultimately jt that, an act — means t.A.T.u. exists historil limbo as an unreplible cultural artifact. Kata and Volkova aren’t pneerg hero, but for a brief moment time they reprented public queerns a untry that now <a href=">no longer allows </a>. And their legacy some ways remas tact bee of how ltle certa thgs have changed over the past two s. </p><div data-attr-viewport-monor="le-recirc" class="le-recirc-wrapper le-recirc-observer-target-2 viewport-monor-anchor"></div><p>Yet spe the return of Y2K athetics and nservatism, we aren’t actually livg a retread of 2002. And though t.A.T.u. helped expand the horizons of our imagatns, we no longer have to live the realm of imagatn. In realy, out artists of all kds of inti, natnali, and practic are creatg a new and genuely queer cultural non. When I revis <em>200 km/h</em>, s songs no longer seem like fiant anthems, bee actualy, they never were. 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