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STONEWALL, AIDS AND GAY LIBERATN: ONE HISTORIAN SHAR HOW THE CULTURAL MOMENTS SHAPED UTAH’S LGBTQ MUNY

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They troduced Senate bill 296, which created new hog and hirg protectns for gay and lbian rints while also offerg some relig exemptns, and 297, which enabled unty clerks who opposed same-sex marriage to signate someone to perform LGBTQ weddgs their place. Specifilly, Williams, 71, has bee the chronicler of the history of Utah’s LGBTQ+ muny — much of which he has experienced as a young Brigham Young Universy stunt who was kicked out for beg gay, and later durg the AIDS epimic of the ‘80s when he cid to e the box, he rri bs and piec of the history he’s kept.

ABOUT USMISSN & VISNSTAFF & BOARDTRANSGENR ADVISORY COUNCILBS EQUALY LEARCONTACT USOUR WORKLEGAL VICTORI20 YEARS OF EQUALYWHAT'S NEXT?LEGISLATIVE SSNEVENTSPAC BNCHALLI GALAQTALKSRESOURCESELECTNSTRAGSVIOSAUD TOURREPORT DISCRIMATNNEWSROOMPRS RELEASNEWS COVERAGETAKE ACTIONDONATENEWSLETTERVOLUNTEERCONTACT YOUR LAWMAKERREGISTER TO VOTEDONATE202220212020201920182017201620152014201320122011201020092008200520041996QUICK LKS2023202220212020201920182017201620152014201320122011201020092008200520041996EQUALY UTAH THE NEWS2023IN GETTYSBURG, UTAH’S GOV. COX LLS FOR ‘SACRIFICE AND SELFLSNS’ TO PRERVE AMERIJULY8DSERT NEWSREAD NOWSALT LAKE CY POLICE VTIGATE AFTER PRI FLAGS CUT DOWN, BURNEDJULY3THE SALT LAKE CY TRIBUNEREAD NOWSUPREME COURT RUL WEB DIGNER CAN DENY SERVIC TO SAME-SEX COUPLJUNE30FORBREAD NOWA UTAH STATE AGENCY SHARED AN LGBTQ+ PRI POST ON SOCIAL MEDIA — A GOV. COX APPOTEE HAD REMOVEDJUNE27THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWANDY LARSEN: JT HOW BIG IS THE LGBTQ MUNY UTAH? HERE’S THE DATA.JUNE17THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWTHIS UTAH LGTBQ+ ACTIVIST AIMS TO PROTECT HIS MUNY BY BREAKG BREAD WH GOP LAWMAKERSMAY28THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWGOV. COX ANSWERS THE QUTN: WHAT MAK UTAH THE BT STATE THE UNTRY, ACRDG TO U.S. NEWS AND WORLD REPORT?MAY2DERET NEWSREAD NOWHOW UTAH GETS THGS DONE: BY BRIDGG DIVISMAY2U.S NEWS READ NOWHOME OF UTAH GOP STATE SENATOR IS VANDALIZED WH SPRAY PAT AFTER HE SPONSORED A BILL RTRICTG SEX CHANGE OPERATNS AND HORMONE THERAPY FOR TRANSGENR CHILDRENAPRIL23DAILY MAILREAD NOWUNIVERSY V SPEAKER WHO HAS ATTACKED UTAH LGBTQ? SOUNDS FAIAR, GEE PYLE WR.MARCH29THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWEQUALY UTAH LLS FOR ‘EEDOM OF EXPRSN’ AMID NTROVERSY OVER LDS APOSTLE’S PLANNED SUU SPEECHMARCH23THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWWHY THE G.O.P.’S ATTACK ON TRANS RIGHTS COULD BACKFIRE ON THE PARTYMARCH2NEW YORK TIMREAD NOWEQUALY UTAH REACH PROMISE OVER HB550, SAYS BILL IS NO LONGER 'DON'T SAY GAY'FEBARY24KSLREAD NOWUTAH LAWMAKER PROPOS STATE VERSN OF FLORIDA’S ‘DON’T SAY GAY’ BILLFEBARY23THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWUTAH CLOSE TO WRG CONVERSN THERAPY BAN INTO LAWFEBARY17ADVOTEREAD NOWUTAH LEGISLATURE DIFI BAN ON NVERSN THERAPY WHILE ADDRSG THERAPISTS’ NCERNSFEBARY17DERET NEWSREAD NOWUTAH LEGISLATURE UNANIMOLY PASS BAN ON LGBTQ NVERSN THERAPYFEBARY17FOX 13READ NOWHOE MTEE ADVANC NVERSN THERAPY BILL AFTER AL STCKFEBARY6FOX13READ NOWWHY LGBTQ ADVOT SUPPORT CLARIFYG UTAH’S BAN ON NVERSN THERAPYFEBARY6THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOW‘I SERVE A BODY TO FEEL PROUD OF.’ CROWDS RALLY FOR TRANSGENR HEALTH RE AT UTAH CAPOLJANUARY25THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWCOMMENTARY: WHO DO YOU WANT VOLVED YOUR FAY’S HEALTH RE?JANUARY25THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWLGBTQ ADVOT BLAST NEW NVERSN THERAPY BILL UTAHJANUARY18KUTVREAD NOWWHY GOP LAWMAKERS WANT TO STOP DOCTORS OM PRCRIBG GENR-AFFIRMG RE FOR UTAH’S YOUTHJANUARY18THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWBAN ON TRANSGENR SURGERI FOR KIDS, PUBERTY BLOCKERS HEAD TO UTAH SENATEJANUARY18DERET NEWSREAD NOW2022PRINT BIN SIGNS AMEND RPECT FOR MARRIAGE ACT WHE HOE CEREMONYDECEMBER13DERET NEWSREAD NOWSAME-SEX MARRIAGE ACT PASSED BY SENATE, MIKE LEE AND MT ROMNEY SPL THEIR VOTENOVEMBER29THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWCOLORADO SHOOTG SPARKS FIERY DEBATE INSI MORMONISM ON LGBTQ THEOLOGYNOVEMBER22NEWSWEEKREAD NOWMORMON CHURCH OUT SUPPORT OF SAME-SEX MARRIAGE LAWNOVEMBER15AP NEWSREAD NOWTHEY ARE GROOMG OUR CHILDREN FOR IMMORAL SATANIC WORSHIP’: SOUTHERN UTAH POLICIANS TARGET DRAG SHOWSOCTOBER21SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWSAME-SEX MARRIAGE: UTAH POLL FDS 72% FAVOR LEGAL GAY MARRIAGESEPTEMBER30KSLREAD NOWTRANSGENR GIRLS UTAH N PETE AGA AFTER JUDGE GRANTS JUNCTN BLOCKG STATE’S SPORTS BANAUGT19SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWJUDGE WON'T DISMISS LAWSU CHALLENGG UTAH'S BAN ON TRANSGENR ATHLETAUGT10FOX 13READ NOWSCHOOL DISTRICT REMOV 52 MOSTLY LGBTQ BOOKS OM LIBRARIAUGT2LGBTQ NATNREAD NOWWE ALL AGREE LGBTQ KIDS SERVE SCHOOL LUNCH. SO WHY IS UTAH PICKG A FIGHT ABOUT , ROBERT GEHRKE ASKSAUGT2SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWWHERE DO MT ROMNEY STAND ON PROPOSED LAW TO PROTECT SAME-SEX MARRIAGE?AUGT1DERET NEWSREAD NOWA NDIDATE FOR UTAH COUNTY CLERK SAYS, IF ELECTED, HE WON’T ISSUE MARRIAGE LICENS TO SAME-SEX UPLJULY29SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWUTAH’S US HOE MEMBERS ALL VOTE FAVOR OF DIFYG SAME-SEX MARRIAGE THE UNED STATJULY20SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWPL C. BURKE AND JOHN W. MACKAY: TAKE PRI AND FEND THE UTAH WAYJUNE3SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOW2 UTAH FAI SUE OVER BAN ON TRANSGENR WOMEN AND GIRLS PETG SCHOOL SPORTSJUNE1CNNREAD NOWUTAH FAI OF 2 TEENS SUCCSFULLY SUE OVER STATE BAN OF TRANSGENR ATHLET SCHOOL SPORTSJUNE1THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWOPN: IF ABORTN RETURNS TO STATE LAWMAKERS, IS THERE A ‘UTAH WAY’ FORWARD?MAY3DERET NEWSREAD NOWREPUBLIN NDIDATE FOR UTAH LEGISLATURE MA TRANSPHOBIC MENTS ON A NSERVATIVE PODSTAPRIL29THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWWHY DID TUCKER CARLSON LL UTAH GOP GOV. SPENCER COX A ‘CUT-RATE GAV NEWSOM IMATOR’APRIL7DERET NEWSREAD NOWWT HIGH STUNTS STAGE WALKOUT PROTT TO UTAH TRANS ATHLETE BILLAPRIL6KJZZ 14READ NOWA ACH OF TWO TRANSGENR ATHLET SAYS UTAH’S HB11 WILL ‘SHUT THEM OUT OM THEIR ENTIRE INTY’MARCH29THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWUTAH LEGISLATURE OVERRIS GOVERNOR’S VETO OF TRANSGENR ATHLETE BILLMARCH25THE NEW YORK TIMREAD NOWSEN. DANIEL THATCHER STOOD UP FOR TRANS KIDS, EVEN THOUGH MAY END HIS POLIL REER, ROBERT GEHRKE WRMARCH25THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWOPN: UTAH’S TRANSGENR ATHLETE BILL DO NOT LIVE UP TO THE ‘UTAH WAY’MARCH24DERET NEWSREAD NOWGROWG LATTER-DAY SAT SUPPORT FOR LGBTQ RIGHTS TOPS THE NATNAL AVERAGEMARCH24SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWHOW ONE REPUBLIN ERNOR JT SHAMED HIS WHOLE PARTYMARCH23THE WASHGTON POSTREAD NOWGROUPS PLAN TO SUE AFTER EXPECTED OVERRI OF TRANSGENR BILL VETOMARCH23KSL TVREAD NOWUTAH LAWMAKERS TO MEET FRIDAY TO OVERRI GOV. COX’S VETO ON BILL TO BAN TRANSGENR GIRLS FEMALE SCHOOL SPORTSMARCH22THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWIN LAST HOURS OF SSN, UTAH LAWMAKER PROPOS BAN ON TRANSGENR FEMALE ATHLETMARCH4DERET NEWSREAD NOWBILL BANNG TRANSGENR CHILDREN OM SPORTS PASS UTAH LEGISLATURE, BUT COX WILL VETOMARCH4FOX 13READ NOWUTAH TO SCRAP BODY MEASUREMENTS OM TRANSGENR SPORTS BILLMARCH2THE WASHGTON POSTREAD NOWBILL ON TRANSGENR STUNT ATHLET UTAH MAY BE CLOSE TO PROMISEFEBARY24FOX 13READ NOWUTAH LAWMAKER PROPOS BAN ON TRANSGENR SURGERY FOR KIDS, LIMS ON GENR-BASED REFEBARY17THE SPECTM READ NOWPANEL WOULD EVALUATE WEIGHT, HEIGHT AND WGSPAN OF TRANSGENR STUNT ATHLET UNR UTAH BILLFEBARY14THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWBYU NCELS RE FOR TRANSGENR CLIENTS RECEIVG VOICE THERAPY AT S SPEECH CLICFEBARY10THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWBETTER MENTAL HEALTH FOUND AMONG TRANSGENR PEOPLE WHO STARTED HORMON AS TEENSJANUARY12STANFORD MEDICEREAD NOWHISTORIC SALT LAKE UNCIL MAJORY LGBTQ, PEOPLE OF LORJANUARY5FOX 13READ NOWA. STT ANRSON: TRIBUNE SHOULD GIVE LDS CHURCH MORE CRED FOR PROGRS ON LGBTQ ISSUJANUARY2SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOW2021BILLNAIRE MAK PUBLIC BREAK FROM MORMON CHURCHDECEMBER21THE NEW YORK TIMREAD NOWA BILLNAIRE AND THE TECH DTRY ARE TRYG TO SHAPE LGBTQ RIGHTS EPLY MORMON UTAHDECEMBER21WASHGTON POSTREAD NOWWEALTHIT UTAH NATIVE RIGNS OM THE LDS CHURCHDECEMBER20SALT LAKE TRIBUNE READ NOWSLC SHOWS MAJOR IMPROVEMENT, HS TOP MUNICIPAL EQUALY INX SRE FOR CLIVY TOWARDS LGBTQ+DECEMBER20ABC4READ NOWHOW 9 BOOKS STARTED A FIGHT OVER CENSORSHIP AND PORNOGRAPHY THIS UTAH SCHOOL DISTRICTNOVEMBER30SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWUTAH BILL WOULD REQUIRE TRANS ATHLET TO UNRGO HORMONE THERAPY FOR A YEAR BEFORE PETGNOVEMBER24METRO WEEKLYREAD NOWVIDEO: UTAH AL PROMOTED AS NATNAL MOL FOR LGBTQ RIGHTS, RELIG LIBERTYOCTOBER22THE WASHGTON BLAREAD NOWAFTER UTAH SUPREME COURT LG, LAWMAKERS MT NOW CI HOW TO FE SEX ON BIRTH CERTIFITSEPTEMBER15SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWUTAH SCHOOL BOARD REPRIMANDS MEMBER NATALIE CLE FOR SHOWG ‘PREJUDICE’ LGBTQ MENTSSEPTEMBER3SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWUTAH SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER NATALIE CLE ULD FACE CENSURE FOR SOCIAL MEDIA POST ABOUT LGBTQ SEMARY STUNTSAUGT25SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWEQUALY UTAH WILL TAKE S GALA ONLE BEE OF COVID SURGEAUGT17SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWEQUALY UTAH MENDS SUPREME COURT CISN THAT BALANC RELIG BELIEFS WH EQUAL PROTECTNJUNE17FOX 13 SALT LAKE CYREAD NOWCHARL LYNN FROST, UTAH THPIAN WHO BROUGHT SISTER DOTTIE S. DIXON TO LIFE, DI AT 67MAY20SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWUTAH SUPREME COURT L ON TRANSGENR RIGHTS AND BIRTH CERTIFITMAY6FOX 13READ NOWUTAH AFFIRMS TRANSGENR RIGHT TO CHANGE BIRTH CERTIFITMAY6AP NEWSREAD NOWBAGLEY CARTOON: GREATER STATE SEALMAY6SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWMEETG THE MIDDLE ON RELIG AND LGBTQ RIGHTSMAY4DERET NEWSREAD NOWADVOT SAY TRANSGENR DAY OF VISIBILY IS ONE FOR CELEBRATN AND EDUTNMARCH31KUERREAD NOWLETTER: TARGETED MORY MUNI STAND SOLIDARY WH THE ASIAN-AMERIN MUNYMARCH28SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWTROY WILLIAMS: AFTER 50-YEAR STALEMATE, 'S TIME TO PASS FERAL LGBTQ NONDISCRIMATN LAWMARCH24THE HILLREAD NOWPARK CY STUNTS FIGHT ONLE FILTERS FOR LGBTQ SEARCHMARCH21U.S. NEWS, WORLD REPORTREAD NOWPARK CY SCHOOL DISTRICT PUTERS BLOCKED LGBTQ AND BLACK LIV MATTER SEARCH TERMSMARCH18TOWNLIFTREAD NOWEXCLIVE: HOW THE UTAH JAZZ GOT VOLVED THE BATE OVER THE TRANSGENR SPORTS BILLMARCH16SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWEQUALY ACT IS CREATG A HISTORIC FACE-OFF BETWEEN RELIG EXEMPTNS AND LGBTQ RIGHTSMARCH16THE WASHGTON POSTREAD NOWSTATE GROUPS SEEN AS KEY TO WNG OVER UNCID SENATORS ON EQUALY ACTMARCH3WASHGTON BLAREAD NOWUTAH SENATE MTEE TABL BILL BARRG TRANSGENR GIRLS OM FEMALE K-12 SPORTSFEBARY24SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWBILL THAT WOULD AFFECT HEALTH OF UTAH’S TRANSGENR YOUTH STALLS STATE LEGISLATUREFEBARY19SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWGOV. SPENCER COX SAYS HE WON’T SIGN TRANSGENR SPORTS BILL AS NOW WRTENFEBARY18DERET NEWSREAD NOWSHOULD TRANSGENR GIRLS PLAY ON GIRLS SPORTS TEAMS? UTAHNS SHARE OPNS NEW POLLFEBARY18DERET NEWSREAD NOWROBERT GEHRKE: ANTI-TRANS BILLS POSE TT FOR UTAH’S SPENCER COXFEBARY17SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWUTAH TRANSGENR ATHLETE BILL: A ‘FAIR PLAYG FIELD’ OR DISCRIMATN AND HARMFUL?FEBARY11DERET NEWSREAD NOWEQUALY UTAH ON LGBTQ POLICY CHANG AND PROPOSED LEGISLATNFEBARY7ABC4READ NOWBAGLEY CARTOON: PLAGUE RATSFEBARY5SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWSHOULD TRANSGENR WOMEN BE BANNED OM WOMEN’S LLEGE, HIGH SCHOOL SPORTS?FEBARY5DERET NEWSREAD NOWUTAH BILL WOULD BAR TRANSGENR GIRLS OM FEMALE SPORTS LLEGE, GRA SCHOOLFEBARY4SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWPETN TO REMOVE UTAH SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER C MENTS ABOUT LGBTQ STUNTS, BLACK LIV MATTERFEBARY1SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWUTAH LAWMAKER WANTS TO PROHIB DOCTORS OM OFFERG GENR REASSIGNMENT TREATMENT TO MORSJANUARY31DERET NEWSREAD NOW LET LISA BARLOW OF REAL HOEWIV BE YOUR GUI TO FABULO SALT LAKE CYJANUARY31QUEERTYREAD NOWTROY WILLIAMS: MT ROMNEY N HELP FD MON GROUND ON PROTECTG LGBTQ AMERINS OM DISCRIMATNJANUARY25SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOW2020DEA WANTS TO SURVEIL PATIENTS. TRANS MEN STOPPED THEM ONCE BEFORE.NOVEMBER16FILTERREAD NOWCENS: UTAH IS THE MARRIAGE STATE — FOR STRAIGHT AND LGBTQ UPL ALIKESEPTEMBER16SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWOPEN HEARTEDNS: FIVE QUTNS FOR TROY WILLIAMS OF EQUALY UTAHSEPTEMBER9EDC UTAHREAD NOWEQUALY UTAH TRAS BS LEARS HOW TO BE MORE LGBTQ CLIVEJUNE12SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWGUT EDORIAL: 5 YEARS AGO, UTAH SAVED MY LIFE BY PASSG LGBTQ NONDISCRIMATN PROTECTNSJUNE4STANDARD-EXAMERREAD NOWEQUALY UTAH HOSTS GOP NDIDAT FOR ERNORMAY21KSLREAD NOWINSTCTURE BE UTAH'S FIRST CERTIFIED BS EQUALY LEARMAY19UTAH BS INSIRREAD NOWUTAH'S REPUBLIN NDIDAT FOR ERNOR WILL APPEAR A FOM ON LGBTQ ISSUMAY18FOX 13READ NOWSENATE STRIK DISCRIMATORY LANGUAGE OM SURROGACY LAWFEBARY26SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWPOLL: 57% OF UTAHNS SUPPORT BANNG ‘NVERSN THERAPY’ FOR MORSFEBARY18SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWUTAH’S "NVERSN THERAPY" BAN IS A MAJOR TIPPG POT FOR LGBTQ RIGHTSJANUARY31VOXREAD NOWUTAH IS LATT STATE TO BAN LGBTQ 'CONVERSN THERAPY'JANUARY23NPRREAD NOWUTAH IS LATT STATE TO BAN CONVERSN THERAPY FOR CHILDRENJANUARY22THE NEW YORK TIMREAD NOWFOR YEARS UTAH'S LGBTQ CHILDREN WERE SUBJECTED TO CONVERSN THERAPY. THAT'S ABOUT TO ENDJANUARY21NEWSWEEKREAD NOWPOLL: UTAHNS SUPPORT RATIFYG THE EQUAL RIGHTS AMENDMENTJANUARY18SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOW2019WHY THE LDS CHURCH SUPPORTS UTAH'S CONVERSN THERAPY BANNOVEMBER29TIMEREAD NOWGOVERNOR HERBERT ANNOUNC NEW LE TO BAN LGBTQ+ NVERSN THERAPY ON MORSNOVEMBER26ABC4READ NOWMORMON CHURCH OPPOS UTAH'S 'NVERSN THERAPY' BANOCTOBER16APREAD NOWUTAH’S ATTEMPT TO BAN NVERSN THERAPY LEADS TO EMOTNAL PLEAS OM ADVOT AND OPPONENTSSEPTEMBER26SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWUTAH POISED TO BEE NEXT STATE TO BAN NVERSN THERAPY ON MORS AS AGENCY WEIGHS LE CHANGESEPTEMBER26KSLREAD NOWPEOPLE UTAH SUPPORT LGBTQ RIGHTS MORE THAN NEW YORKERSJULY25LGBTQ NATNREAD NOWUTAH RANKS 2ND NATN FOR SUPPORTG LAWS THAT PROTECT LGBTQ MUNYJULY22SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWLGBTQ CELEBRATN LOVELOUD ‘FLYG UNR S OWN WGS’ THIRD YEAR, SAYS FOUNR DAN REYNOLDSJUNE27SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWSALT LAKE COUNTY URG UTAH LEGISLATURE TO PASS NVERSN THERAPY BANJUNE25KSLREAD NOWA RABOW REVOLT | COVER STORY | SALT LAKE CYJUNE5CY WEEKLYREAD NOWBAGLEY CARTOON: UTAH LGBEETQMAY24SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWLDS CHURCH REVERS POLICI ON LGBT APOSTASY AND CHILD BAPTISMAPRIL4NPRREAD NOWUTAH ERNOR SIGNS LONG-AWAED HATE-CRIM LAWAPRIL2APREAD NOWADULTERY, SODOMY NO LONGER ILLEGAL UTAHMARCH25FOX 13READ NOWUTAH IS ABOUT TO GET A TOUGHER HATE CRIM LAW AFTER FAL LEGISLATIVE OKMARCH13SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWPOSTS BY UTAH LAWMAKER NVERSN THERAPY BATE DRAW IREMARCH8APREAD NOWEQUALY UTAH DIRECTOR RIGNS OM ERNOR'S SUICI PREVENTN TASK FORCEMARCH7KUTVREAD NOWEQUALY UTAH’S TROY WILLIAMS QUS A STATE TASK FORCE ON YOUTH SUICI OVER CHANG TO NVERSN THERAPY BILLMARCH6SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWCOLLAPSE OF NVERSN THERAPY BILL BRGS RIFT BETWEEN GAY ACTIVISTS AND ERNORMARCH6DERET NEWSREAD NOWUTAH LAWMAKER WARNS AGAST UPSETTG LITE BALANCE OF PROPOSED NVERSN THERAPY BAN — ONE THE LDS CHURCH HAS AGREED NOT TO FIGHTMARCH1THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWEQUALY UTAH BACKG BILLS ON HATE CRIM AND BANNG NVERSN THERAPYFEBARY24ABC4READ NOWCHURCH WILL NOT OPPOSE HATE CRIM LEGISLATN, CLARIFI PREV POSNJANUARY23DERET NEWSREAD NOWUTAH ANTI-TRANSGENR BIRTH CERTIFITE BILL WHDRAWNFEBARY14THE ADVOTEREAD NOWSPONSORS OF PETG TRANSGENR BILLS AGREE TO HOLD BILLS THIS SSNFEBARY14ABC4READ NOWLGBTQ PROTECTNS REMA THE STICKG POT UTAH’S HATE CRIM BATEJANUARY6SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOW2018UTAH LEGISLATORS MAY REPEAL ADULTERY AND SODOMY LAWSOCTOBER31SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWBELIEVER BRGS LOVE AND ACCEPTANCE TO SUUSEPTEMBER24SUU NEWSREAD NOWUTAH IS FALLY ADDRSG ITS EPIMIC OF YOUTH SUICIAPRIL26THE ADVOTEREAD NOWUTAH LT. GOV. HOP CEREMONIAL SIGNG OF 8 MENTAL HEALTH-RELATED BILLS SPURS NVERSATNS FAIAPRIL24DERET NEWSREAD NOWIMAGE DRAGONS’ DAN REYNOLDS HOP LDS LEARS WILL SEE ‘BELIEVER,’ HIS FILM ABOUT MORMON LGBT YOUTHSJANUARY28SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWTASK FORCE ANNOUNCED TO RCE TEEN SUICIJANUARY18KUTVREAD NOWUTAH GOVERNOR TASK FORCE TO ADDRS TEEN SUICIJANUARY17CHURCH NEWSROOMREAD NOW2017LAWSU IS SETTLED AFTER THE END OF A PROHIBN OF TALKG ABOUT HOMOSEXUALY IN SCHOOLSOCTOBER12UPRREAD NOWEQUALY UTAH, STATE SCHOOLS SETTLE LAWSU OVER ANTI-GAY SEX-ED POLICIOCTOBER6SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWCASE OVER LGBT TALK SCHOOLS SETTLED AFTER UTAH LAW CHANGEOCTOBER6THE WASHGTON POSTREAD NOWA HAPPY END TO UTAH’S NO PROMO HOMO LAWOCTOBER6HUFFPOSTREAD NOWPLATIFFS LEGAL BATTLE OVER ‘NO PROMO HOMO’ LAW UTAH SPEAKOCTOBER1FOX13READ NOWLOVELOUD FT WAS AN IMPORTANT CHANCE TO ‘CHANGE THE DIALOGUE’ BETWEEN LGBT AND MORMON MUNI, IMAGE DRAGONS ONTMAN SAYSAUGT26SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWUTAH SCHOOL BOARD VOT TO REPEAL 'NO PROMO HOMO' POLICYMAY5FOX13READ NOWUTAH SAYS NO TO 'NO PROMO HOMO' LAW, BUT OTHER STAT LAG BEHDAPRIL10THE DAILY BEASTREAD NOWUTAH JT REPEALED A LAW THAT BANNED TEACHERS OM TALKG ABOUT GAY PEOPLE CLASSROOMSMARCH21VOXREAD NOWTHE END OF “NO PROMO HOMO”: UTAH ULD BEE THE FIRST REPUBLIN STATE TO STRIKE DOWN ANTI-LGBT LAWMARCH15SALONREAD NOWUTAH LEGISLATURE STRIK SO-LLED 'NO-PROMO HOMO' LAWMARCH8SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWSENATOR: 'WHO 2017 ULD BE OPPOSED' TO RATIFYG EQUAL RIGHTS AMENDMENT?FEBARY27DERET NEWSREAD NOWEQUALY UTAH SAYS BILL SPONSOR 'ACKNOWLEDGED MER' OF LAWSU AGAST STATE SCHOOL BOARDFEBARY22DERET NEWSREAD NOWJUDGE STAYS LAWSU OVER UTAH'S 'NO PROMO HOMO' LAWS ANTICIPATN OF LEGISLATIVE FIX FEBARY21SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOW2016FIGHTG FOR LGBTQ EQUALY THE MORMON CHURCH — TROY WILLIAMS, GAY MISSNARYAUGT22MEDIUMREAD NOWA (VIRTUAL) WALK DOWN SALT LAKE CY'S HARVEY MILK BLVD.MAY19THE ADVOTEREAD NOWIN THE HEART OF MORMON UNTRY, A STREET IS RENAMED FOR HARVEY MILKMAY12THE LA TIMREAD NOWAS ANTI-LGBT LAWS SWEEP U.S., HOW DID GOP-LED UTAH PASS A LANDMARK NONDISCRIMATN BILL?APRIL19DEMOCRACY NOWREAD NOWMY VIEW: UTAH'S HATE CRIME LAW ISN'T WORKG. HERE'S HOW WE FIX FEBARY16DERET NEWSREAD NOW2015JACKIE BISKUPSKI BE FIRST OPENLY GAY MAYOR OF SALT LAKE CY NOVEMBER18NBC NEWSREAD NOWBAGLEY RTOON: NEW STATE OF THE STATENOVEMBER14SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWWE ALL MAKE MISTAK AS HUMANS,' UTAH FOSTER MOTHER SAYS OF JUDGE'S RCD ORRNOVEMBER13SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWUTAH JUDGE ORRS LBIAN COUPLE TO GIVE UP FOSTER CHILDNOVEMBER12THE NEW YORK TIMREAD NOWUTAH AND MORMONS WALK A COMPLITED LE ON GAY, RELIG RIGHTSNOVEMBER10WALL STREET JOURNALREAD NOWFAY HOMO EVENG BRGS SOLIDARY WAKE OF MORMON SAME-SEX-POLICY CHANGENOVEMBER9SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWLGBT MUNY GATHERS FOR 'FAY HOMO EVENG' REACTN TO NEW LDS POLICYNOVEMBER9FOX13READ NOWEQUALY UTAH AT THE 2015 UTAH GOP CONVENTN (VIO)AUGT16UTAH POLICYREAD NOWSURVEY RANKS SALT LAKE CY'S LGBT POPULATN 7TH AMONG TOP 50 METRO AREASMARCH20SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWUTAH — Y, UTAH — PASS LANDMARK LGBT RIGHTS BILLMARCH12THE WASHGTON POSTREAD NOWUTAH PASS ANTIDISCRIMATN BILL BACKED BY MORMON LEARSMARCH12THE NEW YORK TIMREAD NOWUTAH SENATE PASS LGBT ANTI-DISCRIMATN BILLMARCH6AL JAZEERAREAD NOWLGBT ANTI-DISCRIMATN BILL PASS UTAH SENATEMARCH6APREAD NOWLDS CHURCH, LGBT ADVOT BACK NONDISCRIMATN BILLMARCH5DERET NEWSREAD NOWLAWS SHOULD PROTECT PRACTICE OF FAH, REJECT LGBT DISCRIMATNFEBARY22DERET NEWSREAD NOWIN MAJOR MOVE, MORMON LEARS LL FOR STATEWI LGBT PROTECTNSFEBARY8SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOW2014A YEAR LATER: SAME SEX MARRIAGE “SHOCKED THE NATN” DECEMBER20DERET NEWSREAD NOWCONTROVERSIAL ACTIVIST NAMED HEAD OF EQUALY UTAHSEPTEMBER27SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWBRANDIE BALKEN TO LEAVE EQUALY UTAHJULY16Q SALT LAKEREAD NOWEQUALY UTAH CELEBRAT PROGRS, VISIBILY, HOPEMAY11ST. GEE NEWSREAD NOWNOTABLE UTAHNS FORM GAY MARRIAGE ADVOCY GROUPMARCH18SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWUTAH LAWMAKER APOLOGIZ FOR TRANSGENR JOKEFEBARY14LA TIMREAD NOWGAY RIGHTS ACTIVISTS ARRTED UTAH AFTER STATEHOE S-FEBARY10RTERSREAD NOW13 GAY RIGHTS ACTIVISTS ARRTED AT UTAH STATE LEGISLATUREFEBARY10FOX13READ NOWBILL WOULD BAN TRANSGENR RTROOM E SCHOOLSFEBARY1SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOW2013A FERAL COURT BRGS GAY MARRIAGE TO UTAHDECEMBER20THE NEW YORKERREAD NOWFERAL JUDGE STRIK DOWN UTAH BAN ON SAME-SEX MARRIAGEDECEMBER20SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWCOMMENTARY: MARRIAGE EQUALY WILL ARRIVE UTAH SOONOCTOBER12SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOWROBERT REDFORD TELLS UTAH THAT DISCRIMATN IS ‘UN-AMERIN’SEPTEMBER13FORBREAD NOWEQUALY UTAH BRGS NON-DISCRIMATN PROJECT TO PROVOJUNE26DAILY HERALDREAD NOWDT LANCE BLACK HEADL ST. GEE EQUALY CELEBRATNMAY19ST. GEE NEWSREAD NOWSALT LAKE COUNTY CREAT REGISTRY FOR VARIETY OF FAY RELATNSHIPSJUNE5SALT LAKE TRIBUNEREAD NOW2012FIGHTG FOR LGBTQ RIGHTS IS MORE THAN JT MARRIAGEOCTOBER25VOIC OF UTAHREAD NOWJON HUNTSMAN JR. 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And there’s a dty block, a lifetime achievement award the Utah Pri Center gave him ’s the 2015 certifite, for outstandg ntributn, given to him by the Utah State Historil Society — which, Williams said, was the “first acknowledgment of [the existence] of a gay muny om a state agency. “I always felt that there’s gog to be a time where Utah’s gog to rewre history and say how much they loved gay people, Black people, people of lor and everythg else, ” Williams said. “Very few ci n trace the orig of their gay muny, not only the origs, but who the people volved were, ” he of those journal entri have been chronicled Q Salt Lake Magaze and on his blog “This Day Gay Utah History.

In high school, he said he remembers beg love wh a boy named John who didn’t love him heartbreak, and the general shame associated wh homosexualy at the time, ma life difficult.

“I had to fort her by not tellg her that her son was queer, ” he 1973, he started attendg Brigham Young Universy — the Provo llege owned by The Church of J Christ of Latter-day Sats — but was kicked out 1976, when the school learned he was his time at BYU, rerds show, the universy was performg shock therapy on stunts as a “gay cure” — somethg Latter-day Sat apostle Dall H. Williams eventually was kicked out of BYU, whout gettg his teachg 1977, Williams did what many gay men the Latter-day Sat fah had done at the time: He got married to a woman, to “get back to the good grac of the church.

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”Instead, Williams says all me om grassroots anizatns that the lol gay and lbian muny “we were dyg left and right, ” Williams said, he cid to chronicle the epimic. “I had some kd of epiphany sayg the reason I was so unhappy all my life was bee I was rejectg this gift that God gave me, that my homosexualy was not a curse. ”Stonewall to Salt Lake CyWilliams said gay liberatn me to Salt Lake Cy October 1969, only a few months after the rts at the Stonewall Inn New York Cy, seen generally as the begng of the gay-rights rippl om Stonewall were felt natnally, mostly through llege mp, Williams said.

In Salt Lake Cy, there were also people wh progrsive iologi — such as Ralph Place, the founr of the state’s first gay anizatn; Joe Redburn, the rad host who found two of Salt Lake Cy’s inic gay bars, The Sun and The Trapp; and Lda Huntgton, whose bohemian store Mother’s Earth Thgs anchored the funky 9th and 9th bs muny Salt Lake Cy started small, wh ls than a hundred active members 1970, Williams said. ” The psychelic rock band Country Joe and the Fish, which had played at Woodstock jt two months earlier, performed the 1973, Redburn opened The Sun, which Williams lled the first real gay bar Utah. The mastream news outlets Utah wouldn’t publish anythg about gay liberatn meetgs, Williams said, but the Daily Utah Chronicle, the stunt paper at the Universy of Utah, did wre about them.

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”The growth Utah’s LGBTQ+ activism stalled the late 1970s, Williams said, after a seri of vlent murrs of gay men, cludg social activist Anthony Adams, shut the muny down and forced people to go to Utah’s LGBTQ+ muny evolvedWilliams was one of the founrs of the Gay and Lbian Communy Council of Utah, which started 1986.

He also was a equent speaker on KRCL’s “Concerng Gays and Lbians” started by Donna Maldonado (who died September) after Williams beme a schoolteacher, he said, his volvement the muny was on the down low, bee he would have lost his job otherwise. ”(Francis Kjolseth | The Salt Lake Tribune) Ben Williams says the ternalized shame he faced as a gay man eventually spired him to bee an activist and the AIDS epimic is what spired him to e out at the age of 34. ’s Attack on Trans Rights Could Backfire on the PartyRead NowEqualy Utah reach promise over HB550, says bill is no longer 'Don't Say Gay'Read NowUtah lawmaker propos state versn of Florida’s ‘Don’t Say Gay’ billFebary23The Salt Lake TribuneRead NowUtah Close to Wrg Conversn Therapy Ban Into LawRead NowUtah Legislature difi ban on nversn therapy while addrsg therapists’ ncernsRead NowUtah legislature unanimoly pass ban on LGBTQ nversn therapyRead NowHoe mtee advanc nversn therapy bill after al stckRead NowWhy LGBTQ advot support clarifyg Utah’s ban on nversn therapyFebary6The Salt Lake TribuneRead Now‘I serve a body to feel proud of.

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Compani</h2><h4 class="css-qsd3hm">Tech bs have been g onle wrg to velop their chatbots — whout permissn.</h4><time dateTime="2023-07-18T10:00:12.000Z" class="css-1e605">2023-07-18T06:00:12-04:00</time></div><dl class="css-p98d0w"><dt class="css-xx7kwh"></dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">This transcript was created g speech regnn software. While has been reviewed by human transcribers, may nta errors. Please review the episo d before quotg om this transcript and email wh any qutns.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">From “The New York Tim,” I’m Michael Barbaro. This is “The Daily.”</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">[MUSIC PLAYING]</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">Today, to refe their popular technology, new artificial telligence platforms, like ChatGPT, are gobblg up the work of thors, poets, edians and actors, whout their nsent. As my lleague, Sheera Frenkel, found, a rebelln is brewg.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">It’s Tuday, July 18.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">[MUSIC PLAYING]</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">Sheera, is really nice to have you back. It has been far too long.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I agree. It’s great to be back here.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">We are turng to you our ongog and very diligent efforts to unrstand this new era artificial telligence and the bate that is ragg over s like ChatGPT, which have put artificial telligence really at everyone’s fgertips.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">And rrect me if I’m wrong, but really feels like this is shapg up as a clash between those who are really exced about the pabili of s like ChatGPT — you know, what n do next? This is so tertg. And this huge group of people who are jt eaked out about , right? And ’s gog too far, ’s too sry. And we’ve done a lot of episos about this. A recent one looked at stunts who love ChatGPT, bee n do their homework for them, and their teachers and profsors who are like, wa a mute, you’re basilly cheatg.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">And you have been reportg on the latt chapter of this clash between human and mache. So tell about that.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Well, what I’ve been foced on is really jt all the battl over what go to the AI mach. And what mak them powerful, what mak them able to imate human voice is all of the ntent that we’ve put onle over all the years. It’s the poems, and the blogs, and the photographs, and the illtratns that are then pied, and scraped, and fed to the AI mach. It’s what teach them to imate human behavr.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Mm-hmm.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">And the past six months, as this software has bee really powerful and very popular, more and more people have started askg qutns about whether they want their ntent fed to AI mach. And if they don’t want there, if there’s really anythg they n do about .</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So tell who exactly the people are who are askg the qutns.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">They kd of fall to two groups. There are the people who are dog so bee ’s their livelihood. They have a pyright on their material, and they have some kd of legal protectn agast their work.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">The other group are the hobbyists. They’re the people who are wrg stori for the fun of , that are jt creatg art bee they’re passnate about somethg. And they’re puttg stuff out to the ether of the ter. They love . They want to share wh the world. This is jt a te moment of human creativy.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">But, you know, both of the groups are seeg ChatGPT, they’re seeg the AI pani valued at hundreds of lns of dollars, and they’re realizg that their creativy is makg someone else a lot of money. And they’re feelg exploed. They’re feelg like their creativy, their moment of spiratn is beg ed.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So let’s start wh this first group of creativ who sound like they are the big fish bee they have pyright protectn.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right. The are people like actors, animators, wrers, people who make their livelihood by uploadg what they’re dog to the ter. And so they’ve been really alarmed when a ChatGPT along and n produce art their style or n wre a paragraph their style.</p></dd><dl class="css-1jysr6y"><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived rerdg (sarah silverman)</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So I go — I go to the hotel. Super fancy hotel —</p></dd></dl><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Take, for stance, Sarah Silverman.</p></dd><dl class="css-1jysr6y"><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived rerdg (sarah silverman)</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">— and I go to check . Oh, and the lady at the ont sk regnized me. And she was like, oh, my god, I love you. You are my top four all time favore edians.</p></dd></dl><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">She is a edian, an actor, a wrer, who has honed an credibly distctive style over s of workg.</p></dd><dl class="css-1jysr6y"><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived rerdg (sarah silverman)</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">And I was like, you know that I know that means I’m fourth, right?</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">Not walkg away om this like, ooh, maybe I’m send, you know? No.</p></dd></dl><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">And if you go to ChatGPT and say, “Tell me a joke the style of Sarah Silverman”— which is somethg I tried out — really gets her spot on. And she argu that not only has read her jok and read her other onle edy, but that ’s even read this book that she wrote “Betwetter,” which has been upload onle and exists onle versns.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">She appears pretty nvced that ’s sentially learned who she is and what her edic style is. It n mimic her to the gree that you thk is her wrg.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">And I’m gusg ChatGPT likely did that whout askg her permissn.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right. There is no permissns beg asked here bee there are sentially — image the giant mach that are crawlg the ter at all tim. And any data they e across, they llect. They scrape . They don’t know what they’re dog. They’re nvertg to numbers. It’s basilly bee math the systems. And so anythg onle is nstantly beg hoovered up by the mach and fed to AI systems.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">And so for a creative profsnal like Sarah Silverman, that feels credibly threateng terms of their livelihood, their abily to make a livg off of beg an artist wh an pennt voice that’s been honed over s. If a mache n do that, why would you need to pay Sarah Silverman to e and wre your script or pen a edy special?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Mm-hmm. But how n you be so sure that ChatGPT is really stealg om you if you’re someone like Sarah Silverman, or if you’re anybody, really, whose work has been upload by ChatGPT? Bee my gus is that this gets a ltle b sticky. How much of is jt guswork and how much of is really beg rived om sentially borrowed or stolen material?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Defely. I mean, well, to beg wh, there are the reposori where you n go and check and see if your work has been scraped. A lot of artists do this. A lot of wrers do . And they’ll see there that your name will appear or your piece of art will appear. And so for someone like Sarah Silverman, she n go and see, OK, right, my book has been scraped.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">But more specifilly, ’s really jt playg wh this, and ttg out for yourself and toyg wh . I was cur as I was reportg this story, so I went onle and I typed my name. And I said, “Can you wre a paragraph about the danger of onle extremism the voice of Sheera Frenkel?”</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Which is the subject you ver, of urse —</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">— over and over and over aga for “The Tim.”</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Y, exactly. And I’ve wrten books. I’ve been wrg about for over a . It’s out there. My material is out there. And when I tell you that even after knowg about AI for a year, even after verg this topic for a year, I was creeped out at how close got my voice. I uld have easily wrten this sentence.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Expla that. I mean, I’m not on ChatGPT right now, so I n’t replite the search. But what happened when you said, you know, “Wre a paragraph about the subject I know bt, Sheera Frenkel,” and sp out the rults. What about felt so distctively Sheera Frenkel-que?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So I will read to you. So wr this one openg sentence, which is “Onle platforms once hailed as bastns of ee exprsn have bee breedg grounds for hate, radilizatn, and the propagatn of dangero iologi.”</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">That exprsn, “the bastns of ee exprsn,” I’ve ed that. I googled . I ed that an article ls than a year ago and aga an article three years ago. I didn’t even realize that that was a phrase or a turn of phrase that I often ed until ChatGPT repeated back to me.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right. It’s kd of a distctive set of words you’re sayg that you turn to. And jt borrowed om you replitg your work.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Well, knew my bra better than I did. I didn’t realize that that was phrasg I equently ed.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">[lghs]</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">And I had to go to “The New York Tim” archiv to figure out, oh, yeah, ’s right, I do e that. And, oh, my god, I probably ed too often bee this mache has learned about me.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right. And suffice to say, you were not, like Sarah Silverman, nsulted about your work beg scraped by ChatGPT.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Nope. We were never nsulted. And no one at “The New York Tim” was nsulted.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Got . So Sarah Silverman did not like that experience. You scribed as a ltle b eerie. I’m wonrg if ’s a touch flatterg to have ChatGPT borrow your stuff?</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">Or if you worry about the long-term enomic nsequenc of all, which is to say that someday ChatGPT might be able to replite your journalism so brilliantly, that maybe “The Tim” don’t need you on the beat anymore.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Yeah, you know, I’ve actually spent so much time thkg about this. And there’s a part of me that was thkg, oh, god, kd of would be nice when I was done wh reportg to plug my not to a mache and have — there are days where would be nice to have a mache wre my article for me.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">But no, no, I thought about more, and then I was like, yeah, n imate what I’ve already done. But the whole pot of news is that what we’re brgg you is h and based on new reportg. So the nclns we’re drawg for rears are nstantly changg.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">And AI n’t do that. It n only repeat and regurgate what’s already been given to , what’s already the system. And so whatever answer giv you might be what Sheera Frenkel thought about somethg two years ago or five years ago. But won’t be what the newt ia is or the ht reportg has brought rears.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right. It might jt keep tellg the world that you thk somethg’s a bastn of ee exprsn when you thk ’s a bastn of not ee exprsn.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Exactly.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">[lghs]</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">If ’s bee a bastn of hate speech and extremism.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">OK, so what n creativ do about, sentially, this theft, right? What n the Sheera Frenkels and the Sarah Silvermans of the world do, and what are they dog about this problem?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So the creativ wh the pyright, the creativ wh the legal protectn of a pyright n file lawsus. And that’s exactly what we’re seeg happen. There’s been nearly a dozen lawsus that have been filed agast AI pani by everybody om book publishers to dividuals who have pyright protectns.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">And one of them was Sarah Silverman, who got together wh another two thors to sue several AI pani, cludg Meta, which is the parent pany of Facebook, and OpenAI, which is the parent pany of ChatGPT, to say that their work was illegally scraped, and download, and upload to the AI systems.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">And Sheera, what do legal experts thk are the chanc that this kd of a lawsu om a Sarah Silverman will prevail agast a pany like ChatGPT?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Well, you know, this is all brand new. It’s brand new se law. But they know they have to tablish some kd of law or precent gog forward bee this is material wh a pyright. For a lot of artists, books they wrote 10 years ago or 15 years ago, that’s gog to ntue to make them money throughout their liv.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">And y, they’re evolvg nstantly as artists. They want to thk about their material gog forward. They don’t want ChatGPT to wre their jok for them gog forward. But they also want to be paid for the books that have already been published and are already out there.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">And so is the feelg that old school pyright law will provi someone like Sarah Silverman wh the legal protectns that she’s seekg?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Well, the legal experts seem credibly hopeful that there is some kd of pyright protectn here, and that, sentially, some kd of fancial damag will be award, and that some kd of moary value will be placed on the very strong pyright protectns that creative profsnals get.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">The problem is that even if they get that money, even if Meta or OpenAI are forced to pay some kd of damag to Sarah Silverman, the ntent, the data, n never be retrieved. It’s out there. It’s bee numbers and on and zeros fed to a mache. There’s no way to go to , to that mache, and get that data back out. Once ’s , ’s forever.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">And so ultimately, even if they do get that fancial reward through the urt system, and they get the pyright protectn to their material affirmed by the urts, their data is gone. Their data is there forever.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">In other words, the horse is out of the stable. I assume that’s te, Sheera, for , for “The Tim,” for the work of people like you. We n’t retrieve your journalism back om a ChatGPT. So is “The Tim,” like Sarah Silverman, thkg of sug the AI pani?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So “The New York Tim,” to the bt of our knowledge, is not lookg at a lawsu. What we’ve seen “The New York Tim” and other news publishers do is start to thk about how to start chargg for this data gog forward. I mean, “The New York Tim” is creatg tons of ntent every sgle day that the mach want to stay up to date.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">And so they’re really tryg to figure out if there’s some kd of fancial arrangement that n be put to place where the AI pani pay . And ’s not jt news publishers. Webs, like Redd, they’re lookg at licensg their data as well. They’re sayg, this data is herently valuable and we want you to pay for .</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">But look, that’s gog to take a long time for them to e to an agreement. This is a brand new mol. This is a brand new technology. And the meantime, the data is still beg scraped. In the meantime, the systems have all the articl that have already been published. They probably are beg updated on new articl as they e out. And so all this material is still beg fed to the mach as the talks are ongog.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right. And will be for some time. So you’re sayg the pyright protected creators, who would seem to have the strongt posn this equatn, are not really mountg that forceful a phback spe the anger that you’re scribg here.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right. I mean, they are g the urts. They are g the legal system. But as we know, that’s slow. Wag for the urts to take actn, wag for lawyers to hammer out a fancial agreement between a massive news anizatn and an AI pany is a slow procs.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">And what’s tertg for me is that this other group of people that I mentned, those that don’t have a pyright protectn, the hobbyists, the enthiasts, the people that are postg to the ter for the fun of , they’re the on that are leadg the most creative rebelln or revolt agast AI.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">[MUSIC PLAYING]</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">We’ll be right back.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">[MUSIC PLAYING]</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">So Sheera, tell more about this send group of creators who are fightg back agast AI platforms — the hobbyists and amatrs, as you’ve scribed them, who lack the legal pyright protectns of people like you and Sarah Silverman.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So actually a group I spent a lot of time terviewg and thkg about was fan fictn wrers. And for anyone who’s not faiar — bee before I reported this story, I’d never actually read any fanfic, there are —</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Fanfic? Now you’re an thory.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I’m now ep the fandoms. The are people who watch a movie like “Star Wars” and love , but walk away om thkg, what would happen if the ma characters at the end, Kylo Ren and Rey didn’t die? What if they fell love and got married? And I’m really sorry if I’m havg movie spoilers my answers here.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">What would happen if “Buffy the Vampire Slayer,” two of the vampir met high school and had a gay romance? I mean, they take the popular movi and TV shows, and they let their imagatns roam. And they publish the credible — I mean, book-length piec of ntent — about their favore movi and TV shows.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">And, you know, this is not stuff they have any kd of pyright to. If anythg, they’re borrowg om ias and characters that are already out there. But they’re dog for the love of those characters and the storyl that they want to explore their own wrg.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">And how did wrers of fanfictn disver that their work was beg sucked up by platforms like ChatGPT?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So they actually disvered this a really, really funny way, which is that fan fictn, you create your own characters. And some of them have nam like Bucky, which is a batn of several characters om “Buffy the Vampire Slayer.”</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right. [LAUGHS]</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">And so they go to ChatGPT and they type , “Wre me a story about Bucky fallg love wh a vampire. Wre me a story about Bucky on a summer day eatg a popsicle.” And ChatGPT knew who that character was wh great specificy.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">Another example that was actually given to me — and this was the most outrageo example as far as the fanfictn wrers were ncerned — is that there’s this sexual trope, lled the omegaverse, which fan fictn wrers really like to explore. And ’s very, very specific to fanfictn. And ChatGPT knew all about .</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">You’re not gog to tell any more about ?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I’m very nfed about myself.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">[lghs]</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">And I’m pretty new to fanfictn. From what I’ve read, there’s like tentacl volved. And ’s —</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">— I don’t thk ’s appropriate for the podst.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Sure, sure, sure, sure.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">But the pot is there’s no reason an AI mache would know about unls had read and gted their fanfictn wrg.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right. Why would ChatGPT know anythg about this unls was scrapg fanfictn? But Sheera, aren’t the fanfictn wrers postg stuff that’s fair game, right? They don’t have pyright.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I mean, they know they don’t have pyright protectns. But they still feel really, you know, wound. They’re afonted at the ia that the mach have scraped what is, for them, very much a labor of love.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">Some of the fan fictn wrers I spoke to had spent s dog this. They had done as a form of therapy. They had done as an act of love towards the movi and televisn shows that they felt creatively spired by. And they felt like the mach are sentially attackg the very spir of human creativy that they had been prolific about onle.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Hmm. Right. This is not necsarily their full time job. This is not how they make money. But you’re sayg taps to, some ways, who they are. It’s part of their inty. And so, on a moral level, they n’t tolerate ChatGPT jt stealg .</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right. Many of them have day jobs where they make money. But their love, their passn is gog to this fan fictn. And they’ve tablished the really tertg ternal l on the foms where they post, where if one person imat another or borrows om another whout attributn, ’s nsired outrageo. They are booted om the muny. They are exmunited.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">They really have a lot of honor how they operate onle. And they want that to be rpected by the mach. And so li of that, they’ve had to get really, really creative about how they rebel or how they revolt agast the AI systems.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">And how creative have they gotten? What are they dog?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right. So I mean, for stance, one of the first protts they lnched is they got together and started feedg jt absolute nonsense to ChatGPT. They figured if you’re gog to scrape our material, we’re gog to give you total irreverent nonsense to nfe you so you don’t unrstand our characters, you don’t unrstand our storyle, and you nnot mimic what we do.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So they n’t sue, but they n gum up the works. They n basilly jt shove sticks and ston to this mache and try to grd out the gears.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Exactly. I mean, they had to thk creatively. And so they thought, if you want our material, here’s our material. We’re gog to give you nonsense.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">And do that tactic work?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I mean, n if they do enough of . And they seem pretty mted and passnate about dog this. But they haven’t stopped there. A lot of them have also started makg their ntent private or removg om the web entirely. And so their thkg is, you know, until now they’ve shared all this eely, but if the mach are gog to e and scrape what they do, they’re gog to start lockg down.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">OK. Both of the techniqu, though, would seem to be pretty unterproductive if you’re the bs of creatg fan fictn. The first one jt creat a bunch of gibberish, which no one wants to read if you like fan fictn. The send one would lim who n view the fan fictn you wre. So aren’t the rebellns agast plac like ChatGPT jt hurtg the fan fictn muny? Aren’t they jt shootg themselv the foot?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I mean, to a certa gree. And a lot of them say they kd of feel like they are, the short-term, dog somethg that go agast the entire spir of fan fictn. But they feel helpls. And so I thk, at this pot, they’re jt throwg darts at the wall to see what sticks and what works.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">A lot of them have been the muni for a long time, and so their thkg is, well, I might only get to share my wrg wh a uple dozen people, stead of a uple thoand, but at least the mach won’t get me.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So don’t really feel like eher of the two groups, Sheera, that we’ve been talkg about here — the group wh pyright protectns and the amatrs who don’t have pyright protectns — neher of them seem to be much of a match for the AI platforms and stoppg them om scrapg their work.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">So that mak me thk that if you’re one of the wrers, the better solutn would be for the US ernment to step wh some simple regulatn that says, ChatGPT, for example, you n’t upload this work unls you pay for . And I know the ernment is havg the nversatns. There have been lots of ngrsnal heargs. So is that a possibily? The ernment says, no uploadg unls you pay the wrers and the creators.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Well, ’s te that the US ernment is havg talks wh all of the AI pani. But we have to remember that we’re still wag for the US ernment to take actn and e up wh some kd of regulatn about social media that’s been around for over a .</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Mhm.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">The US ernment is very, very slow-actg. And the vast majory of members of Congrs are still wrappg their head around how this technology even works. And so whatever they do is years ahead. And ’s gog to be tempered by the fact that they don’t want to hold back the pani too much.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Mhm. Expla that.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">The US ernment se self an arms race, at the moment, agast Cha when to AI. Both Cha and the Uned Stat have a lot of scientists that are vted this. They have a lot of tert beg the world lears artificial telligence.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">And so they know that every b of regulatn they put place potentially holds back those US pani, as opposed to Cha, where there’s very ltle regulatn on data and where there’s a ton of data onle that the Che ernment n easily accs and even give to Che AI pani if they want to speed ahead what’s nsired the AI arms race between the US and Cha.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">So the US ernment might have an tert actually sidg wh the AI platforms over the creators bee mak more petive agast our rivals.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Yeah. I mean, they don’t want to hamper US AI pani to the pot where they fall behd Cha.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Hmm. In which se, feels like the only way for creative typ and for publishg platforms, like “The Tim,” to fight back is to fight back really on their own, for the next however many years. And I’m cur, Sheera, if, your reportg, you thk the plats of the Sarah Silvermans and the publishg platforms is actually gog to make the general public sympathetic and lead to a larger sle phback agast the ChatGPT-like platforms, or if the realy is jt that people like the thgs, they’re exced about them, and that’s gog to overri any of the worri that we’re talkg about.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I mean, look, right now the people that are angry are the people that n see that their work has been pied or scraped and regurgated. It’s people who are already seeg that the mach have gted their work and n py their voic a really realistic way. And we don’t know what’s gog to happen gog forward.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">I mean, pani like Google and Facebook are still cidg on how they’re gog to tra their AI. And what happens if Facebook’s AI cis to tra on your data, and n fd posts that you wrote 10 years ago when you were llege and sound jt like you, or if Google cis to read your email and your Google docs, and n say, hey, this is what Michael sounds like when he’s planng a vatn wh his fay? Is the creeps factor then that much more that all of feel like our souls are beg replited by mach?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right. And do that mean that sudnly we are all the fan fictn wrer? We are all Sarah Silverman. We are all sudnly seeg the platforms slowly suckg a versn of out and and givg to the world a way that is very weird.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Right. Do bee a “Black Mirror” episo? It’s unclear. But uld be that the AI systems are so extremely eful and beneficial for our liv that none of re. Bee at one pot, people were really mad about Facebook suckg up their data and servg them ads and Google dog the same. And then we ultimately cid that they provid such a eful service that was OK wh that they sucked up our data. And we’re really jt the begng of this technology. And so we don’t know yet.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">[MUSIC PLAYING]</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">You know, one of the fanfic wrers I spoke to actually put a really lovely way that — she was the middle of wrg this new piece of fictn, and happened to be about AI robots vers humans. And she stopped midway through wrg bee she didn’t want to post onle and feed more to the mache.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">But she said that where she’s stuck and the thought she’s really stuck on is that this piece of fictn she was wrg, not every AI robot was bad. Some of them were helpful. Some of them were nice. Some of them were good. And some of them were evil. And was really about how the rporatns behd those robots e them that cid whether they were good or evil.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">And so she felt like she jt had so many qutns about the pani nng the AI, and how they’re g the data, and how they’re gog to license , and what value is gog to be — all the qutns are swirlg around her head. And ’s like, are the robots good or bad? We don’t know yet, and so we don’t feel fortable wh them.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">And so did she end up postg any of the story onle?</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">No, she has not posted yet. I thk she still has too many qutns.</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Well, Sheera, thank you very much. We appreciate .</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">sheera enkel</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Thank you for havg me. [MUSIC PLAYING]</p></dd><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">We’ll be right back.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">[MUSIC PLAYING]</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">Here’s what else you need to know today — on Monday, Rsia said would end an agreement that had allowed Ukrae to export lns of tons of gra to the rt of the world, threateng global food pric and the food supply dozens of untri that rely on the gra.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">The year-old agreement, known as the “Black Sea Gra Iniative,” was a succsful attempt to lim the global repercsns of Rsia’s war on Ukrae. But Rsia has repeatedly plaed that the agreement favored Ukrae over s own people.</p></dd><dl class="css-1jysr6y"><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived rerdg 1</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">I eply regret the cisn by the Rsian Feratn to termate the implementatn of the “Black Sea Iniative.”</p></dd></dl><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Durg a news nference, the head of the Uned Natns said that Rsia’s cisn would e unnecsary sufferg across the world.</p></dd><dl class="css-1jysr6y"><dt class="css-xx7kwh">archived rerdg 1</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">Today’s cisn by the Rsian Feratn will strike a blow to people need everywhere.</p></dd></dl><dt class="css-xx7kwh">michael barbaro</dt><dd class="css-4gvq6l"><p class="css-8hvvyd">And smoke om wildfir Canada is returng to the US this week. By Monday afternoon, was affectg about 72 ln Amerins across 29 stat, om the Dakotas to New York. Nearly 900 wildfir are burng across Canada. Of those, the Canadian ernment says that more than 500 of them are burng out of s ntrol.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">[MUSIC PLAYING]</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">Today’s episo was produced by Clare Toeniskoetter, Rob Szypko and Mooj Zadie. It was eded by Devon Taylor wh help om Lisa Chow, ntas origal mic by Elisheba Ittoop, and was engeered by Alyssa Moxley. Our theme mic is by Jim Bnberg and Ben Landsverk of Wonrly.</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">[MUSIC PLAYING]</p><p class="css-8hvvyd">That’s for “The Daily.” I’m Michael Barbaro. 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