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Contents:

• WHAT'S THE LK BETWEEN HOMOSEXUALY AND HAVG A 'GAY VOICE'
• THE GAY VOICE
• MY GAY VOICE AND YOURS
• FILMMAKER AND SPEECH PATHOLOGIST WEIGH IN ON WHAT IT MEANS TO 'SOUND GAY'
• WHY IS "GAY VOICE" SO PREVALENT AND YET "LBIAN VOICE" IS MORE OR LS NONEXISTENT?
• IS THERE A “GAY VOICE”?
• "DO I SOUND GAY?"
• WHAT DO IT MEAN TO SOUND GAY?

WHAT'S THE LK BETWEEN HOMOSEXUALY AND HAVG A 'GAY VOICE'

Stay ahead of the trend fashn and beyond wh our ee weekly Liftyle Ed newsletterStay ahead of the trend fashn and beyond wh our ee weekly Liftyle Ed newsletter After a particularly bad break-up, David Thorpe, a journalist who’s his forti, cid to take his md off thgs by leavg his ts his Manhattan apartment and drowng his sorrows at a gay beach town on Fire Island. ”It was the start of a four-year journey of self-disvery durg which Thorpe tried to figure out his so-lled “gay voice”: when did he start talkg that way, what ed , how exactly did sound, and, fally, what was so wrong wh anyway?

The rults n be seen his new documentary, Do I Sound Gay?, which featur terviews wh lguists, amics, fay and iends, as well as a number of high-profile personali, cludg David Sedaris and Dan Savage. Another expert that he terviews for the film is a Canadian lguist who studi vol microvariatns between gay and straight men and speculat that many gay men more readily pick up speech s om women.

“Growg up, I was always told that what was wrong wh me was that I was gay, so ’s not hard to unrstand that a moment of vulnerabily I might also feel secure about my sexualy.

THE GAY VOICE

Now pretty much everyone says I have a "gay voice" which I agree, I do thk I sound "gay" bee stereotypilly the pch of my voice sounds like the other gay people (<average). Obvly some straight people and gay people have ep voic, voic e high and lows, but how many of the ep voiced men actually would sound like that whout purposely "puttg some bass their voice"?

For stance, a classmate om nservatory--who ed to tease me about my effemate mannerisms, BTW--was eventually st as a gay activist a big award-wng movie, based on a big award-wng play, about gay liv. Though some gay actors are effectively creatg their own opportuni to play a variety of rol (gay, straight, mascule, feme, and everythg between), such as the makers of the entertag seri East Sirs. I put together a short documentary about how actors--pecially men, whether they are gay or straight--are nsired by stg directors to have failed the send they “sound gay” (meang their voice do not nform to heteronormative stereotyp of masculy).

MY GAY VOICE AND YOURS

” Thorpe asks everyone he knows--cludg queer celebri, like Savage, as well as iends, fay, and profsnal speech ach--where they thk “gay voice” om and how he n change his own. Thorpe provis myriad hypothis for where this hatred riv om and asks to qutn why any one of (gay or straight) reflexively police genr nonnformy one another’s voic. As long as there is an unchecked cultural phobia of “gay voic, ” --by which we really jt mean effemate male voic--we are all nmned to a PTSD-like state of hypervigilance, too aaid to blur the l of genr, our voic or any other area of our liv.

FILMMAKER AND SPEECH PATHOLOGIST WEIGH IN ON WHAT IT MEANS TO 'SOUND GAY'

Which brgs to the pot that our fear of soundg what we ll “gay” or “effemate” is not only about genr exprsn, but more signifintly about our cultural ias about weakns and power. By havg women, as well as men, leadg rol that exhib facets of power, weakns, toughns and vulnerabily, we n unrstand the human ndn beyond male or female, mascule or feme, gay or straight. Psychology rearchers at the Universy of Sydney had 70 self-intified heterosexual participants listen to rerdgs of 60 men’s voic: 20 of the rerdgs were of gay men, 20 were of bi men, and 20 were straight.

But while the participants rrectly tegorized the sexual orientatns of the gay and straight speakers “at rat greater than chance” (that is, better than a random gus), participants were unable to tell which voic belonged to bi men at rat greater than chance. Rearchers wrote that stereotypilly “gay voic” English-speakg men tend to have a higher pch, wir pch range, longer vowels, expand vowel space, and a hissy “S” sound — all of which are perceived as more feme and more submissive. While bra chemistry may predispose some gay men to the gay vol tras, prev studi have suggted that some gay men liberately e the speech patterns to make their sexual orientatns clearly known and to viate om rigidly enforced mascule norms.

WHY IS "GAY VOICE" SO PREVALENT AND YET "LBIAN VOICE" IS MORE OR LS NONEXISTENT?

The psychologists behd the study said they wanted to exame bi voic as a way to bat “bisexual erasure” — the tenncy to overlook anythg other than exclively straight and gay sexual orientatns — society and scientific rearch. “Beg misnsted as straight or gay based on one’s voice, might ntribute to a sense of erasure and alienatn” that is already high among bi men who feel discrimated agast by both the straight and gay muni, the rearchers wrote. " In his new film, Do I Sound Gay?, Thorpe search for the orig of that stereotype and documents his own attempts to sound "ls gay" by workg wh speech pathologist San Sank.

At the same time, I totally get that when I me out, I wanted to be regnized as gay; I wanted the world to know I was gay and I wanted to f to this existg muny, so I thk my voice really did change after I me out. On Thorpe's gay iends also stgglg to accept their voic Thorpe: One of the revelatns of makg this film was that this is somethg that had always bothered me and every time, basilly, I talk to a gay man I would fd out that he also had eher spent a lot of time thkg about his voice or ed to be self-nsc about his voice or still felt self-nsc about his voice. Y, there's the ocsnal lbian who sounds like a man, but most sound like women and there's nothg all that distctive their voic that cu even the most cluels straight person that they're voice, OTOH, is very prevalent and many gay men claim they nnot lose see children too--there are six year old boys who you know are gog to wd up gay jt by hearg them speak.

IS THERE A “GAY VOICE”?

I n be attracted to a gay male who's dly effemate but my more ial type is a guy who looks and sounds straight but NOT Macho or drippg wh masculy but jt a slim, slightly mpled, good lookg Anonymoreply 5October 25, 2021 6:40 PM. You would be the distct mory then, R7Or more fely attuned to cluels straight people pick up on gay that gay voice is supposed to be men imatg adults their liv they look up to (women) why wouldn't lbians do the same wh men?

Very few straight men have "gay voice"• siarly, the percentage of lbians who speak like that is far smaller than the percentage of gay men wh gay voiceby Anonymoreply 13October 26, 2021 12:00 AM. There is a distct pronunciatn but I never believed the theory that gay men were emulatg women when they speak or would be more of a Anonymoreply 23October 26, 2021 6:18 AM. Bee, back "the day" lbians uld project their gayns wh cloth, haircut, and general physil men uldn't do that whout g off "flamboyant" to general society so they projected their gayns wh voice and body movement - whether nsciencely or subnsciencelyWhile thgs are changg, 's still pretty much that way now, too - but that's how got started....

"DO I SOUND GAY?"

It's hard to get rid of for some other men, straight on ually, at some pot (when they go through puberty and their vol range chang) they learn there's a negative nnotatn to and they get rid of are also plenty of gay men who n "swch" back and 's really like R14 said:[quote]I was at the movi one night San Francis and sound like all the gay men the dience went to the same goddamned fishg 's jt somethg we pick up on that sort of "draws" to a way of speakg that is intifiable. I had when I was younger but don’t have nowIt jt kd of went awayI ran to a guy I knew when I was a teenager and he said I acted pletely different now and that people thought I was gay bee of my voice as a teen, he uldn’t believe how ep my voice got now and then he said “No one would even thk you’re gay now”by Anonymoreply 39October 29, 2021 6:57 AM. Eric Ldros, my hockey csh, gay voice is sane and the nstant blkg too when he talksHe sounds like a Queen Wt Hollywood, Google his terviewsAnd he’s married to a woman wh 3 kidsby Anonymoreply 51October 29, 2021 8:10 AM.

[quote] I was at the movi one night San Francis and sound like all the gay men the dience went to the same goddamned fishg like hellOffse Lkby Anonymoreply 59October 29, 2021 8:35 AM. I ed to have gay voice as a teen/20 somethg, now people tell me that my voice is too ep and too hard to unrstand, I also have had people tell me I sound like Joey om FriendsOvertime and workg wh primarily straight broish guys and my buddi at the gym too, jt naturally changedI n’t expla , I’m glad did, but I thk a lot of younger gay men subnscly have om beg around women all the timeby Anonymoreply 65October 29, 2021 8:57 AM.

WHAT DO IT MEAN TO SOUND GAY?

R65 many gay boys subnscly mimic abs pick up female voicLike I said I had when I was younger and now I don’t at all, although apparently I sound like a NYC Italian street thug nowby Anonymoreply 68October 29, 2021 9:04 AM. Gay voice as a child is bee so many gaylg boys intify wh the women around them - so they subnscly mimic them and that be "normal" tras for women n be fictnal, too, like jt about any Disney Prcs swoong over some guy.

I jt disvered there's an paragraph that breaks down on wikipedia but also not that there haven't been as many studi about "lbian" voice as there have been about gay summarize:- lower pch and more direct munitn styl- [alic]more backed variants of back vowels[/alic]- [alic]lower median pch, wir pch range, lower send formant, and more e of creaky voice. - Sometim lbians liberately avoid stereotypil female speech, acrdg to Queen, orr to distance themselv om "normative" heterosexual female speech patterns- Lbians may have more slang than gay mal, wh one article listg nearly eighty mon lbian slang words for sexual acts and Anonymoreply 103October 29, 2021 9:34 PM.