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Each stalment shows talent workg on both sis of the mera, cludg queer creativ and alli to the muny.</strong></p><p data-no-id="1" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>Next up, we're speakg to <em>Big Mouth</em> star Andrew Rannells</strong><strong>.</strong></p><style data-emotn="css ligahs">{width:100%;}@media(m-width: 20rem){{marg-left:to;marg-right:to;width:100%;}}@media(m-width: 30rem){{marg-left:to;marg-right:to;width:100%;}}@media(m-width: 40.625rem){{width:50%;marg-left:1rem;marg-right:0rem;float:right;}}@media(m-width: 48rem){{width:50%;marg-left:1rem;marg-right:0rem;float:right;}}@media(m-width: 64rem){{width:50%;marg-left:1rem;marg-right:0rem;float:right;}}@media(m-width: 73.75rem){{width:45%;marg-left:1rem;marg-right:lc(-30% - 1rem);float:right;}}@media(m-width: 75rem){{width:45%;marg-left:1rem;marg-right:lc(-30% - 1rem);float:right;}}@media(m-width: 90rem){{width:45%;marg-left:1rem;marg-right:lc(-30% - 1rem);float:right;}}</style><div data-embed="loop" data-no-id="2" class="css-ligahs e1a0jkxd0"><style data-emotn="css 1e3dj7m">{display:-webk-box;display:-webk-flex;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-webk-flex-directn:row-reverse;-ms-flex-directn:row-reverse;flex-directn:row-reverse;-webk-align-ems:flex-end;-webk-box-align:flex-end;-ms-flex-align:flex-end;align-ems:flex-end;posn:relative;width:100%;marg-bottom:0.9375rem;width:100%;} {visibily:hidn;opacy:0;-webk-transn:visibily 0s .3s,opacy .3s lear;transn:visibily 0s .3s,opacy .3s lear;}</style><div class="align-right size-medium embed e1a0jkxd1 css-1e3dj7m ejku7p04"><style data-emotn="css 5mi43p">{marg-bottom:0.9375rem;--aspect-rat:100%;width:100%;}</style><div class="__rp-ntaer css-5mi43p e6l0f0"><img src=" alt="Image no longer available" tle="Image no longer available" width="100%" height="to" dg="async" fetchPrry="high" /></div></div></div><p data-no-id="3" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">Matthew MacDell was never supposed to be the bt character <em><a href=" target="_blank" data-vars-ga-outbound-lk=" data-vars-ga-ux-element="Hyperlk" data-vars-ga-ll-to-actn="Big Mouth" class="body-lk css-nu68ka et3p2gv0">Big Mouth</a></em>. Acrdg to Andrew Rannells, he was only gog to be "a uple of episos" at first, but four seasons , Matthew is now an tegral fan-favoure.</p><p data-no-id="4" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">Part of that is likely due to the fact that Matthew was never signed to be a typil gay character. "The ia of playg a gay bully middle school was very trigug to me," Rannells jok. But Matthew quickly beme more than jt that. 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Along the way, we discsed g out, gay teenage life, and why <a href=" target="_blank" data-vars-ga-outbound-lk=" data-vars-ga-ux-element="Hyperlk" data-vars-ga-ll-to-actn="season four" class="body-lk css-nu68ka et3p2gv0">season four</a> is Matthew's bt yet. </p><p data-no-id="7" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>As the role of Matthew ntu to velop, have you had more put terms of character and storyl? </strong> </p><p data-no-id="8" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">I've had a lot of put to how Matthew was shaped, which I'm very grateful for. They're very llaborative over there and they always ask me to the wrers' room at the begng of the season, as they start wrg. I do feel like I have a lot of put. </p><p data-no-id="9" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">It's one of the most diverse wrers' rooms I've ever been a part of. It's really ol to see how many different voic and pots of view that they put to that show, bee I feel like reprentatn is obvly very important to them. So gettg my perspective as a gay man, and gog back to my childhood, they really do take all of that to acunt. </p><div size="medium" data-embed="body-image" data-no-id="10" class="align-center size-medium embed css-1736von e1xqj1sx4"><div class="css-uwraif e1xqj1sx3"><img alt="big mouth" tle="big mouth" loadg="lazy" width="2846" height="1600" dg="async" data-nimg="1" style="lor: transparent; width: 100%; height: to;" siz="100vw" srcSet=" 640w, 980w, 1120w, 1200w, 1920w" src="" class="css-0 exi4f7p0" /><div class="css-swqnqv e1xqj1sx2"><figptn class="css-1am3yn9 enfs9c50"><span class="css-1vw9sfv e6iqd1">Netflix</span></figptn></div></div></div><p data-no-id="11" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>Did you ever worry that Matthew might veer to queer clich?</strong></p><p data-no-id="12" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">Of urse. Yeah. That's always somethg you have an eye on, particularly as a gay actor. I've been very fortunate, startg wh <em>Girls.</em> Y, I play the "gay iend", but they flhed out my character, Elijah, on <em>Girls</em>, a way that ma him a human, and not jt a funny sikick.</p><p data-no-id="13" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">And Nick ma that very clear to me when we started. He was like, "That is not what this is. Matthew is gog to be a full character. You're gog to get your moment. You're gog to have a full storyle that is not gog to be jt you sayg sassy one-lers." </p><p data-no-id="14" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">And I like to say a sassy one-ler, but I also like to play a human [<em><u>lghs</u></em>].</p><p data-no-id="15" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>Last year, there was <a href=" target="_blank" data-vars-ga-outbound-lk=" data-vars-ga-ux-element="Hyperlk" data-vars-ga-ll-to-actn="some ntroversy" class="body-lk css-nu68ka et3p2gv0">some ntroversy</a> over how <em>Big Mouth</em> tackled queer reprentatn wh Ali, a <a href=" target="_blank" data-vars-ga-outbound-lk=" data-vars-ga-ux-element="Hyperlk" data-vars-ga-ll-to-actn="new pansexual character" class="body-lk css-nu68ka et3p2gv0">new pansexual character</a>. Season four do a lot to addrs that, but how did you feel about all at the time? </strong><strong><br /></strong></p><p data-no-id="16" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">Well, 's a ltle tricky as an actor workg on a show like that. I don't see all the scripts ahead of time. I'm not a part of everyone's read. Bee 's animatn, we all rerd remotely and separately. Ocsnally, I will work wh Nick. I work wh Jsi Kle sometim. But we're not all rerdg together.</p><div supprsHydratnWarng data-no-id="17" data-embed="pullquote" class="embed css-0 e9hzx6g0"><style data-emotn="css 16ddmmp">{text-align:center;marg:0rem;paddg-top:0.9375rem;paddg-bottom:0.9375rem;} span::before{background-lor:#E5ADAE;lor:#000;width:5rem;}</style><blockquote class="css-16ddmmp e1pe3zr91"><style data-emotn="css 1ljy70d">{background-lor:#000000;lor:#fff;ntent:'';display:le-block;height:0.25rem;posn:relative;-webk-transn:width .2s ease--out,background .2s ease--out;transn:width .2s ease--out,background .2s ease--out;width:3rem;}</style><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-1ljy70d eagam8p0"></span><style data-emotn="css zggbc2">{font-fay:Montserrat,Helveti,Arial,Sans-serif;font-size:1.625rem;font-weight:900;le-height:1.2;marg:0rem;}@media(max-width: 64rem){{font-size:1.75rem;le-height:1.1;}}@media(m-width: 48rem){{font-size:2.25rem;le-height:1.2;}}@media(m-width: 64rem){{font-size:2.25rem;le-height:1.2;}} b, strong{font-fay:her;font-weight:bold;} em, i{font-fay:her;font-style:alic;}</style><blockquote class="css-zggbc2 e1pe3zr90">"I like to say a sassy one-ler, but I also like to play a human."</blockquote><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-1ljy70d eagam8p1"></span></blockquote></div><p data-no-id="18" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">Basilly, when the fished product is out, that's also the first time that I'm seeg a lot of that. I feel like Jen and Mark and Nick and Andrew are all very sensive to the viewers' feelgs about the storyle. I thk they take that all to acunt when they wre, when they ntue to wre. So 's very much an evolvg procs.</p><p data-no-id="19" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong><em>Big Mouth</em> explor many aspects of gay teen life that we rarely see on screen, cludg your first boyiend at school and the anxieti that e wh the kd of relatnships. What are your thoughts on how that's explored season four?</strong></p><p data-no-id="20" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">I thk you're right. We don't see that a lot. And the fact that Matthew has a love life at all – g out is somethg I feel we've seen before. But I thk that sort of buddg romance, that was somethg I didn't necsarily see before.</p><p data-no-id="21" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">I love that he's also havg a very full experience his middle school life. Certaly not one that <em>I </em>had necsarily back the '90s [<em><u>lghs</u></em>]. But I was very exced that they were givg him the chance to explore all those feelgs, jt like the other kids. </p><p data-no-id="22" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>Matthew sgs a song at one pot that enpsulat his stggl wh g out to his mother. We'd love to hear more about that.</strong> </p><p data-no-id="23" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">I'm always happy to jump and sg whatever they've got for me. But that song particular, I jt felt enpsulated a feelg that a lot of queer kids might have when g out, and the fear of g out. I loved that they voted that much time the seri to that particular story.</p><style data-emotn="css 10klw3m">{height:100%;}</style><div data-embed="stagram" class="embed align-center css-10klw3m ez8lbhw1"><style data-emotn="css 63r9na">{-webk-align-ems:center;-webk-box-align:center;-ms-flex-align:center;align-ems:center;display:-webk-box;display:-webk-flex;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-webk-box-pack:center;-ms-flex-pack:center;-webk-jtify-ntent:center;jtify-ntent:center;m-height:10rem;background-lor:#F5F5F5;lor:#000;-webk-flex-directn:lumn;-ms-flex-directn:lumn;flex-directn:lumn;height:100%;marg-bottom:0.9375rem;}</style><div class="css-63r9na ez8lbhw0"><style data-emotn="css 1msakm2">{width:3.125rem;height:3.125rem;}</style><img data-dynamic-svg src="/_assets/sign-tokens/e/static/ins/social/;id=lk-out-embed" loadg="lazy" alt="stagram in" height="to" width="to" class="css-1msakm2 ez8lbhw2" /><a target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener" href=" aria-label="View full post on Instagram" class="css-0 e1c1bym14">View full post on Instagram</a></div></div><p data-no-id="25" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">Even if you're surround by people who love you, and you know ultimately will be supportive, g out is obvly a very plited procs – even unr the bt of circumstanc.</p><p data-no-id="26" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">I love that they wrote a song about that particular moment where you're ready to do , but, at the same time, you're also terrified that maybe ’s gog to change your relatnships wh the people clost to you.</p><p data-no-id="27" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>It was really tertg to see the ntrast between how Matthew's mother and father received the news. What were your thoughts on that dynamic? </strong></p><p data-no-id="28" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">Well, that was kd of my experience wh my parents as well. I mean, I don't thk was any surprise to my fay that I was gay [<em><u>lghs</u></em>]. I thk my g out was not exactly a shock to anyone.</p><p data-no-id="29" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">But I was more ncerned about my father, and my dad end up beg kd of quiet about at first, but ultimately jt so supportive, really lovg and unrstandg about . And the nversatn wh my mum, I thk, was a ltle more nuanced, and took a ltle more time to velop.</p><div size="medium" data-embed="body-image" data-no-id="30" class="align-center size-medium embed css-1736von e1xqj1sx4"><div class="css-uwraif e1xqj1sx3"><img alt="big mouth, matthew" tle="big mouth, matthew" loadg="lazy" width="2880" height="1582" dg="async" data-nimg="1" style="lor: transparent; width: 100%; height: to;" siz="100vw" srcSet=" 640w, 980w, 1120w, 1200w, 1920w" src="" class="css-0 exi4f7p0" /><div class="css-swqnqv e1xqj1sx2"><figptn class="css-1am3yn9 enfs9c50"><span class="css-1vw9sfv e6iqd1">Netflix</span></figptn></div></div></div><p data-no-id="31" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">So I really related to what they had put together for Matthew, bee that's kd of how happened for me some ways. I'm always shocked at how funny but also how hont and movg they are on that show.</p><p data-no-id="32" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">We get away wh a lot of really over-the-top, very funny gags, but there's so much heart at the re of this show. I thk that's why we get away wh some of the bigger jok. It's not jt jok for jok' sake. They're rooted a really good place. </p><p data-no-id="33" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>Is there anythg you n tease about season five or is too early to ask?</strong></p><p data-no-id="34" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">We've fished season five. Animatn tak a while. I had to remd myself what season four was all about bee we've actually fished the <em>next</em> season. So we're done wh that. I don't want to share too much. It's mashg together my md a ltle b, what was season four and what was season five bee we did them so quickly [<em><u>lghs</u></em>].<br /></p><div supprsHydratnWarng data-no-id="35" data-embed="pullquote" class="embed css-0 e9hzx6g0"><blockquote class="css-16ddmmp e1pe3zr91"><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-1ljy70d eagam8p0"></span><blockquote class="css-zggbc2 e1pe3zr90">"We get away wh a lot of over-the-top gags, but there’s so much heart at the re of this show."</blockquote><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-1ljy70d eagam8p1"></span></blockquote></div><p data-no-id="36" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">So no, I n't share anythg, bee I feel like I'm gog to share too much. I wish that I uld tease somethg smartly but I don't know what that is [<em><u>lghs</u></em>]. </p><p data-no-id="37" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong>We also wanted to ask about another animated show you're workg on lled <em>Invcible </em>where you also play a gay teen character. Did his sexualy impact your cisn to take on this role any way?</strong></p><p data-no-id="38" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">When I was approached about that, I didn't know much about the source material, and then quickly beme a fan of . </p><div data-embed="stagram" class="embed align-center css-10klw3m ez8lbhw1"><div class="css-63r9na ez8lbhw0"><img data-dynamic-svg src="/_assets/sign-tokens/e/static/ins/social/;id=lk-out-embed" loadg="lazy" alt="stagram in" height="to" width="to" class="css-1msakm2 ez8lbhw2" /><a target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener" href=" aria-label="View full post on Instagram" class="css-0 e1c1bym14">View full post on Instagram</a></div></div><p data-no-id="40" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">There's a lot of different typ of gay people [<em><u>lghs</u></em>]. There's not jt one way to do . So I feel like I've had a lot of really wonrful opportuni to explore different facets of the people, and on <em>Invcible</em>… I'm exced to share that as well, bee, aga, he's not a typil "this is the gay iend of the lead character". They gave me a lot to do. He has a really solid storyle, and a really tertg one. So I'm exced for that. </p><p data-no-id="41" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">And also, for young people – and not jt queer young people, but all young people — for them to see that type of solid reprentatn is… I'm jt very proud to be a part of . Those wrers as well, they did a really fantastic job of makg sure that he’s not jt a si character.</p><p data-no-id="42" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">You know what the Bechl tt is? So if there's a female character a film or televisn show, what is her storyle? Do she actually have her own pot of view and her own voice? Or do every scene relate back to the male lead?</p><div supprsHydratnWarng data-no-id="43" data-embed="pullquote" class="embed css-0 e9hzx6g0"><blockquote class="css-16ddmmp e1pe3zr91"><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-1ljy70d eagam8p0"></span><blockquote class="css-zggbc2 e1pe3zr90">"There's a lot of different typ of gay people. There’s not jt one way to do ."</blockquote><span aria-hidn="te" class="css-1ljy70d eagam8p1"></span></blockquote></div><p data-no-id="44" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">I apply that a lot to gay characters as I read scripts, bee I thk 's a good way to figure out: is this jt supposed to be like a punchle? Or is he a human? Do he have a life? You n only do so much as an actor sometim to flh thgs out, and really has to be the wrg.</p><p data-no-id="45" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0">I feel like <em>Invcible</em> do a really great job of dog both, of makg sure that character has a solid arc on his own, and he don't necsarily jt relate back to the lead character. </p><p data-no-id="46" class="css-18vfmjb et3p2gv0"><strong><em>Big Mouth </em>season four is now available to watch on Netflix.</strong><a href="artid|1920.a.34857967[src|[ch|" target="_blank" data-vars-ga-product-sem3-brand="Netflix/Lnsgate/Tilted Productns" data-vars-ga-product-sem3-tegory data-vars-ga-product-brand="Netflix/Lnsgate/Tilted Productns" data-sturl=" data-id data-orr="1" data-vars-ga-product-price="£39.99" data-vars-ga-product-id="cf1b8186-d01d-4789-b4ec-fbef994b76bb" data-vars-ga-media-role data-vars-ga-product-sem3-id data-vars-ga-outbound-lk=" aria-label="Shop Now Orange is the New Black - Seasons 1-6" data-affiliate="te" data-genilk=" 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